2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er - Page 6

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 18:19 GMT

#2653

By what logic? I asked you a question and you didn't even answer it...Unless you did in saying that Joey was reading you town the way Holy WOULD be reading me town as fuck. Which nullifies your point about HF going for the throat on Haru today.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 18:24 GMT

#2654

And frankly I think I know you best because while Joey has played in more games with you, I've spoken with you more about mafia than Joey has. Joey knows OF you and has played with you - perhaps enough to get a "townread" on you on D1 (before ALL of the stuff that I'm saying makes you mafia makes you mafia, BUT ANYWAY), but I know how you think and play in games because I talk with you quite extensively about mafia games I'M not even in that you're playing in as town. I know the kinds of things you look for as town. And I'll tell you what it's not - SUPER ACTIVE TOWNIES WHO ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE GAME, WHETHER THEY ARE PUSHING YOU FOR LYNCH OR NOT.

/case closed

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:00 GMT

#2659

They all wanted to lynch me too and I'm town. Again, bad point.

My play is perfectly pro town. I'm lynching mafia.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:12 GMT

#2663

And that's ALL he's doing. Like, I'm bringing MY OWN points to the table, every time Storr is asked to do that he just says "Nope, give me your reads on X,Y,Z - obey because all the dead townies called me town."

I'm so done with this conversation. It's destroying the thread and accomplishing nothing. My accusation on you stands Storrzerg - your explanation for the whole bats/Joey thing doesn't make any sense. Your plan to clear yourself AND Obi based on switching to a TOWNIE at the end of the day is ludicrous and you're still trying to paint me as mafia when I'm clearly not.

I'll provide my reads on the other players before end of day. I intend to continue to try and get my lynch through based on the GOOD reasoning I've provided.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:15 GMT

#2666

On October 03 2014 04:13 StorrZerg wrote:

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no, you refuse to see logic. in why both obi and i can't be mafia.

You refuse to look into jat/ff/super.

Only 2 people wanted to really lynch haru yesterday. Or actively pushed haru.
Me, yes my "musings" was a case, it IS a case. and Holy who agreed with some of my points, GB and voting patterns in particular.

So things that VE is doing today that isn't pro town.

Logic regarding obi and storr cannot both be mafia, because HF died.

Thus, given that logic, only 1 can be mafia within those 2.

There for everyone in the group of "4 of ve, ff, super, jat" has to know at LEAST in their world 2 our of 3 are mafia.

Its likely only 1 town is among the 4, at most 2 towns.

Considering all this, every town Must be thinking about who is mafia in the group of 4. yet, with how many people who are Pushing on Myself, or Obi and disregarding the group of 4, helps reinforce that its likely neither obi and i are mafia.

(save for jat, which is why he might be town)
Thus why VE is avoiding reading anyone in the group of 4 scum. Because its in his best interest to lynch in the palmar group, rather than the people who "haven't been on wagons" who "are not really figuring out the game" who "are skating by"

I bolded where your logic dies and struck all the assumptions based upon it.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:17 GMT

#2667

I'm done interacting with you Store.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:26 GMT

#2674

You know who could give us Holys updated reads on Storr and Obi? Holy. Can't though cause he dead. Send like reason enough to kill him if you are mafia to me. Shrug.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:57 GMT

#2679

He wasn't going to TUNNEL me today, he'd be LOOKING at me today Storr - like, you CAN'T say that you know what Holy would do because Holy is DEAD! You can say "Oh look at EoD3 it's all there!"....EXCEPT ITS NOT! I'M not there, SKY is STILL there AND a question mark, YOU haven't tunneled the most townie individual at that time. NO ONE can know what Holy would do today except for Holy because Holy is dead. That's a fact. It's not absurd to think like that, THAT IS HOW YOU THINK IN THIS GAME! THATS WHY MAFIA KILL PEOPLE! BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY NEXT!!! Or some other reason. Who knows? Not me. Know why? I'm town.

Like, you keep saying the fact that Holy would be "on Haru today" CLEARS you and INCRIMINATES me in some way - THAT IS EXACTLY WHY YOU KILL HOLYFLARE THAT NIGHT DUDE!!! I kill townies who call me town all the time as scum. And I consider my scumplay to be at the very least above average. Know why? Because they DIE with that on their lips! Because I can say later "Hey look at this CONFIRMED TOWN call me town! Better listen to the reads of the dead!!"

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 19:58 GMT

#2680

You're approaching this game from a defensive standpoint - from a standpoint of "It can't be me, look over there!!!" I'm looking at it from a standpoint of "These things don't make sense to me, so I think it's that guy!"

ONE OF THEM IS MAFIA SIDED AND ONE OF THEM IS TOWN SIDED!

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:00 GMT

#2681

On October 03 2014 04:46 StorrZerg wrote:

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no shit, but its clear some assumptions can be made.

And some of these assumptions make VERY LOGICAL sense.

Holy would have gone after haru today. that is far from "guessing" at what he would do.
Holy would NOT be looking at me, looking at his conditionals for the sky lynch.

That is not hard to figure out.

Still you can remove all this. And still look that a scum team of obi, storr CANNOT kill HF. who is the only other "unknown" at the time who pushed palmar.

And it's because of these assumptions that you and Obi CAN MAKE THAT KILL Storr! Because you can just come in here today and SAY EXACTLY THIS! IT DOESN'T CLEAR YOU OF ANYTHING MAN!

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:07 GMT

#2684

Like, you keep referencing the Palmar vote - I'm COMPLETELY PAST the Palmar vote at this point - your play since then NAY! SINCE I CALLED YOU MAFIA!...has been WELL enough for me to make a judgement on your alignment INDEPENDENT of that vote. Palmar was convincing people he was town - Holy and JAT come to mind immediately, but there might have been others - and then he went AFK for the rest of the cycle OPENLY! HE OPENLY STATES he'll be AFK and the timezones make it PROBABLE that he won't be back. OF COURSE mafia could and PROBABLY WOULD take that opportunity to try and swing a lynch onto a BETTER target (for scum) leaving their OTHER good mislynch (Sky) for later! OF COURSE THEY COULD! That you say it's impossible is ABSOLUTELY NONSENSE!

When I cleared you earlier based on this, I wasn't considering thread sentiment and the larger picture because I wasn't reading context, I was filtering. But JAT brought up good points I hadn't considered, which are pretty much outlined above and ever since I started considering that possibility it's been a HARD VE TUNNEL. There's ONE post where you say I could be town and that I'm figuring out the game, but you BACKTRACK IMMEDIATELY when you realize that I've caught you.

But it IS possible that Mafia make that play there. It IS possible, and you saying it isn't is just ignorant of the facts.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:08 GMT

#2687

I'm spending my time trying to lynch my lynch target instead. It's the pro-town thing to do.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:15 GMT

#2692

It's a hard VE tunnel. You've spent 3 pages defending yourself and zero pages giving YOUR reads on the players you're wanting EVERYONE to give their reads on. You've VOTED for FF, but you haven't given ANY reasoning for doing so. You haven't given reads on Super or JAT (maybe he's town for thinking there's only one inside Storr/Obi LMAO), you are just screaming at everyone else to do so and tunneling me into oblivion for NOT doing so. YOU are playing EXACTLY as pro-town as I am in that regard Storr. EXACTLY. The difference is that you have PAST reads IN THIS GAME that people can refer to and I do not. I concede that point - that I SHOULD give my reads on those players before EoD. However, you're not giving town any kind of content YOURSELF in that regard, so how are people supposed to know YOUR motivations and where YOU stand on them Storr? You're tunneling VE to exclusion WHILE SCREAMING ABOUT EVERYONE TO READ ALL THOSE OTHER PLAYERS!! Am I telling anyone to read anyone else OTHER than my lynch target? Do I fucking care? NO! Because I'm town, I've found mafia, and I want EVERYONE to see what I see.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:18 GMT

#2694

On October 03 2014 05:16 StorrZerg wrote:

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No. Absolutely not.

Hell bats isn't on me. Thus game is auto loss from your standpoint. He is on you. YOU NEED TO BE GIVING READS AND STOP DODGING

He doesn't think I'm mafia. This is obvious in his posting. He's trying to bully me and he can't. Get rekt.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:19 GMT

#2696

I'm perfectly willing to give my reads once my demands are met. They're perfectly acceptable - lynch the scum, I'll help you find the others.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:21 GMT

#2698

He knows that I'm capable of such play as town. It's not even poor play, we're in LYLO. No one should be giving EVERY read on EVERY player, everyone should be giving their TOP read and we should be discussing THAT. The only people doing that are ME and YOU Storr. Giving anything else is giving mafia information they can use to manipulate town with the night-kill.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:22 GMT

#2700

*the only people doing that RIGHT NOW - others HAVE done that this cycle :X

TOO MANY HINTS AT MY TOWNREADS OH NOOOOOOO!!!!

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:23 GMT

#2701

I'm not hiding. I'm trying to lynch mafia. If I were hiding I'd be doing what Haru was doing - nothing. I'm out in the open for everyone to scrutinze. You're the only one who seems to have like a super huge problem with it Storr. Warning bells? No? Maybe everyone else is right and you are wrong? Maybe? Nahhh, couldn't be.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:27 GMT

#2703

On October 03 2014 05:27 StorrZerg wrote:

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Fuck no. It's important to give more than 1 read. Scum profit with 1 read plays allows them to tunnel freely. Only have to make up 1 case.

If you say so. Save it for postgame scum.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 02 2014 20:44 GMT

#2707

Presuming they are around. But it sucks they aren't here to weigh in regardless because from my perspective at least one of them is town if I go with my townread on JAT.

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