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Although I have to say - his insistence that I look at people other than Obi really sets off alarm bells. But again, I'm NEVER lynching Storr over Obi today. EVER.
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On October 02 2014 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:45 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I like cookies!
No really, can you please give reads on Obi and Storr and then kindly vote for Obi in the voting thread? Every SECOND you refuse to do so makes me want to kill you more and more. Don't care. This is LYLO and we have to reason this out carefully. Every single town has to vote for the same scum for us to win. That means you have to work with me if you are town. I am not sold on the both of them but I will say that Obi looks scummier because he is way less proactive than storr however misguided he may be. I'm perfectly willing to work with you so long as you vote for Obi at the end of the day. :D In all seriousness, I KNOW. That's why I think it's suspicious that you had a non-opinion on Obi/Storr - because we have to work together if you're town. Giving a non-answer is the opposite of "we have to reason this out carefully". Yeah, but I can't give you an answer if I have none. I don't know how it is for you but I don't know who is scum. All I know is that batsnacks and I are town and that town has been pushing other town for most of the game so scum could basically do whatever the fuck they wanted. I was ready to go after HF today but he died. But that's just it - I've given reasoning for thinking Obi is mafia and Storr has been in here posting and shit - you should have a better read on the situation than your "feelings going into today". I appreciate that the game is difficult at this point, but if you're going to put on a show of trying to figure out the game then you gotta go through the motions of explaining your reasoning for shit - comes with the territory. There is truth in what you are saying but you also need to consider that now that we are in LYLO scum is able to say whatever they want and bus all day. You really need to consider the complete game your target played. And if I do that then there is still a part of me that wants to lynch you tbh. The only one I have a slight townread on is FF. Maybe Storr. I will go through some filters later. Okay, based on this post I'm willing to lynch JAT OR Obi. Storr gets to pick, by virtue of being the only confirmed town in the game who is doing anything. Btw what are you talking about? Storr is not confirmed town. I gave reasoning for thinking Storr is town. Storr as mafia has no reason. NO REASON AT ALL to switch from Sky to Palmar after lurking the whole day WITH his vote on Sky. He can just sit back, do nothing, and let Sky get lynched. Instead he comes in and in a tirade gets people to lynch Palmar. MAFIA DO NOT DO THAT. So Storr is town to me. I probably won't lynch unless he and I are both in final 3 with someone who looks REALLY REALLY fucking town, and that guy makes a REALLY REALLY good case that I literally can say nothing to. He's THAT town to me. This reasoning is awful. Mafia gains so much more from lynching Palmar over Sky in that situation. Storr did basically the same Obi did with the exception that he actually had a vote on Sky. Let me explain it once again: If we lynch Sky that day a question mark and sure mislynch is removed. And Palmar who certainly will not be mislynched later on and who is a much stronger player than Skydragon is alive. Are you still telling me there is no reason at all for Storr to lynch Palmar here?
But that's the thing: why will palmar "certainly not be mislynched later on"? Clearly he was mislynched then, so why is it less likely later?
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On October 02 2014 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:45 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:37 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:On October 02 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I like cookies!
No really, can you please give reads on Obi and Storr and then kindly vote for Obi in the voting thread? Every SECOND you refuse to do so makes me want to kill you more and more. Don't care. This is LYLO and we have to reason this out carefully. Every single town has to vote for the same scum for us to win. That means you have to work with me if you are town. I am not sold on the both of them but I will say that Obi looks scummier because he is way less proactive than storr however misguided he may be. I'm perfectly willing to work with you so long as you vote for Obi at the end of the day. :D In all seriousness, I KNOW. That's why I think it's suspicious that you had a non-opinion on Obi/Storr - because we have to work together if you're town. Giving a non-answer is the opposite of "we have to reason this out carefully". Yeah, but I can't give you an answer if I have none. I don't know how it is for you but I don't know who is scum. All I know is that batsnacks and I are town and that town has been pushing other town for most of the game so scum could basically do whatever the fuck they wanted. I was ready to go after HF today but he died. But that's just it - I've given reasoning for thinking Obi is mafia and Storr has been in here posting and shit - you should have a better read on the situation than your "feelings going into today". I appreciate that the game is difficult at this point, but if you're going to put on a show of trying to figure out the game then you gotta go through the motions of explaining your reasoning for shit - comes with the territory. There is truth in what you are saying but you also need to consider that now that we are in LYLO scum is able to say whatever they want and bus all day. You really need to consider the complete game your target played. And if I do that then there is still a part of me that wants to lynch you tbh. The only one I have a slight townread on is FF. Maybe Storr. I will go through some filters later. Okay, based on this post I'm willing to lynch JAT OR Obi. Storr gets to pick, by virtue of being the only confirmed town in the game who is doing anything. Btw what are you talking about? Storr is not confirmed town. I gave reasoning for thinking Storr is town. Storr as mafia has no reason. NO REASON AT ALL to switch from Sky to Palmar after lurking the whole day WITH his vote on Sky. He can just sit back, do nothing, and let Sky get lynched. Instead he comes in and in a tirade gets people to lynch Palmar. MAFIA DO NOT DO THAT. So Storr is town to me. I probably won't lynch unless he and I are both in final 3 with someone who looks REALLY REALLY fucking town, and that guy makes a REALLY REALLY good case that I literally can say nothing to. He's THAT town to me. This reasoning is awful. Mafia gains so much more from lynching Palmar over Sky in that situation. Storr did basically the same Obi did with the exception that he actually had a vote on Sky. Let me explain it once again: If we lynch Sky that day a question mark and sure mislynch is removed. And Palmar who certainly will not be mislynched later on and who is a much stronger player than Skydragon is alive. Are you still telling me there is no reason at all for Storr to lynch Palmar here?
No because he can just kill Palmar in the night. He doesn't HAVE to lynch him there at all, he has EVERY EXCUSE to just ride it out on Sky and then NK Palmar if he thinks he's such a 'threat'.
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Unless I'm missing something the majority of players wanted to lynch Haru for not playing, not because they thought he was scum.
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On October 02 2014 07:43 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 02 2014 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 02 2014 02:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Your case boils down to me switching without initially voting Sky.
If I voted Sky beforehand you wouldn't have said shit. Maybe, but you didn't. Further, in spite of Sky being a SUPER HARD TOWNREAD, you were the LAST on his wagon yesterday. Get rektum scum. <3 Explain how me being last on his wagon yesterday is bad. Because you JUST claimed (indignantly) that "if you'd read the thread you'd know that Sky has been my top mafia read all game"....if that's the case then why weren't you in here HARD pushing him ALL DAY? Why wasn't your vote INSTANTLY on Sky yesterday? TOWNIES who have hard mafia reads VOTE on them. MAFIA who have "hard mafia reads" want to see if the wagon is going to take off before voting. Obi being late or early doesn't matter. Day 3 was very tunneled. Skydragon was the lynch and no one was seriously considering not lynching him. So I don't think your theory holds weight. If sd hadn't been so dammed to his fate, I think that theory looks good.
Yeah I'm not listening to you anymore. You're just talking nonsense, and even though I think you're town, I feel like you're trying to win the game for Mafia. Vote Obi plz.
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Storr was reading Haru as town until he went AFK. Then he went AFK. That's the case Storr likes on Haru. And now he's voting TOWNASFUCKVE. LMAO
You can't bully me Storr. Vote for someone you think is mafia. I know you don't think it's me. Stop being ridiculous. You've given absolutely NO reason to be townreading Obi. You have given NO reason as to why you think it's LIKELY that all town were on Palmar. You're being absolutely unreasonable.
##Unvote
##Vote: Storrzerg
See I can vote for people I think are town too! Except wait...YOU actually could get lynched because you're acting scummy as fuck. We'll see who blinks first. You KNOW I'll throw a game bitch.
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I'm not lashing back about anything. I said you're being unreasonable. How is that in any way "lashing back"? LOL
Someone's a little jumpy. <3
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On October 02 2014 11:36 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 11:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not lashing back about anything. I said you're being unreasonable. How is that in any way "lashing back"? LOL
Someone's a little jumpy. <3 Well, you counter voted me for seemingly no reason when you have a town read on me. You think a lot of what i am saying is mumbo jumbo. So when i vote you, i find it odd that your reaction is to counter vote, and not to call me silly.
I didn't call you silly, I called you jumpy. You're putting words in my mouth like a BOSS tonight!
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On October 02 2014 11:53 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 11:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not lashing back about anything. I said you're being unreasonable. How is that in any way "lashing back"? LOL
Someone's a little jumpy. <3 sell me on why FF, Jat, super are better than you for today
Because I'm in here trying to figure out the game. I don't know or care what you wrote on Haru because I'm not Haru and I can't speak for Haru's motivation. Your case is bad because I'm town, and that's pretty much all there is to it. I've given reasoning for why I think it's Obi. You don't think it's good or whatever, but that doesn't make me scum, and you KNOW that. So yes, while I say I think you're town, I'm perfectly happy with where my vote is because you're literally mafia-siding voting for VE. And I'm fallible, so you COULD be scum. JAT raises good points on why mafia might prefer to lynch Palmar over Sky, and you DID come in and push your heart out for a Palmar lynch RIGHT as he went AFK. So don't tell ME to sell YOU on why I'm not a good lynch. How about YOU sell ME on why YOU aren't a good lynch sir?
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On October 02 2014 12:31 StorrZerg wrote:
I think its pretty interesting that jat, super, ff, obi, have not placed votes. Kinda hard to see where they all stand....
Yeah, that's true.
Whatever, I'm not doing it tonight, but I'll look at the the group of 4 tomorrow. Are you happy?
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It's probably better this way anyway since I'm in it and I'm like obviously town. EVEN IF Obi and Storr are both mafia, there's still one left in the group of four.
Attention all townies! It is VERY IMPORTANT that you make your reads and reasonings known in this thread. Even if you think you've already done it, not everyone is going back and reading like they should (as with EVERY game EVER). If you want to help town win, then make your stances known in the thread and in the voting thead so we can make a good decision today. Thank you in advance for your cooperation, and you are quite welcome for mine.
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No, I'm voting Storrzerg. I think we have a better shot at lynching Storr than Obi for SOME unfathomable reason, and I think the Palmar lynch had mafia motivation. If I believe that then one or both of Obi/Storr have to be mafia. A full town wagon doesn't just appear in the waning hours of a day. It just doesn't happen. There are three mafia, it's inconceivable that town was in such a position that all the active town players simultaneously came to a consensus to move from one townie to another townie successfully. Mafia are in there.
Like, Storrzerg is just flailing around right now. Getting shitty at Bats about calling him Store? Are you for real? DISRUPTIVE? LMAO That's utter nonsense. Who the shit cares what he calls him? It's not like he's calling him Douchebag or something offensive. He's literally just throwing shit around to see what sticks.
@Storr
If you want me to remove my vote, then answer the following questions as thoroughly as you can.
1) Why is it more likely to you that there are zero mafia on the Palmar wagon than it is that there is one?
2) Why do you have a townread on Obi, such that you've been literally commanding me to vote for someone outside the Palmar wagon?
3) Why are you calling this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2014 05:47 StorrZerg wrote:comments in blue Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote:On September 27 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
FecalFeast: Superbia
Skydragon:: Killing, StorrZerg, Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der:: Palmar, Holyflare, batsnacks, skydragon, fecalfeast, justanothertownie. ObiWanShinobi
superbia:: HaruRH
Killing:: Glowingbear
Alright, this vote count is more accurate than yamato's final vote count. I am going to make some assumptions here: 1) You just have to accept that I am town. 2) Almost all wolf were on hopeless. It is NOT possible that all the wolf were superbia,killing storrZerg. However, there certainly is 1 or 2 wolf amongst these 3. States most wolves would be on hopeless, yet thinks a possible 2 within 3 people. feels odd to think this way from a town perspective. 2 wolfies between: Palmar, Holyflare, batsnacks, skydragon, fecalfeast, justanothertownie. 1 wolf between: Killing, storrZerg, superbia. We now have it restated that we only have 1 wolf now between these 3. When earlier it could have been 2. I think this comes from a mafia perspective, trying to force out what should be correct, while avoiding "reading" people. I distributed my wolfreads as such because 1) mafia always try to vote on the largest wagon to not feel left out. 2)at least/most 1 mafia would split off and vote some random player. I am very certain that glowingbear was killed because he was right. There was no way they killed him for the lulz when there is HF,palmar, jat etc as town. He is also not overwhelmingly town. In fact, he smelt scum to me for a while. The assurance that GB was right. Yet only talking about the mafia reads on gb. Not the town reads. This seems like forced information about the dead. Directed, specific. I find it interesting that he lists off townies as HF palmar jat as "town"what chance did any of these 3 have to die in the night for n1? holy pushed a wrong lynch very hard, palmar we now know is town, jat wasn't super active, nor did he push a correct direction. So why did any of these 3 mean anything more than GB from haru's perspective. His wolf reads were: killing, storrzerg, batsnacksThis is very interesting, i think we now know why GB was killed. All his mafia reads are wrong. Killing was cop, bats has been green checked, and i'm town. GB was clearly not on the right track, he was not killed because of how well he was scum hunting. He was killed for how off track he was, and how town he looked. I am going to say that i too think killing was wolf. Not superbia. I am also going to say that HF is maybe town. But i still need to see what he is going to do. Therefore, my lynchlist for d2 is(in order of scumminess): Killing batsnacks skydragon I'm really not sure why haru has been leaving me out so much. Have i been avoiding haru? yes, defending on policy sure. logically i should be in here. Even on day 3, haru keeps "forgetting about me" I am still unsure of skydragon and less unsure of batsnacks, but i am quite sure of killing. Lets lynch him. It will reveal tons of info too even if he flip town. What would we have learned at this point if he flips town? At this point in time, he had been fairly low key, had pointed out quite a few town reads, had a few mafia reads. As a town, if i had stated something like this, wouldn't it also be important to let others know what we would learn? there is no follow up to this, even though he wasn't lynched, he did die in the night, he did have reads, yet haru doesn't follow up or give input to what we should have learned. as soon as we have claim from Killing, haru falls off terribly on day 2. checks out of the game. all motivation stops to lynch killing, and provides no input as to how the day should go.
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I'm not going nuts, look more carefully, I'm being very rational and reasonable. You're the one throwing around hyperbole and negative language.
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Like, that's part of why I want to lynch you. You're being very unreasonable. EVEN IF you are town and think I'm mafia, you're generally reasonable as town. You don't speak TO your scumreads either when you're town, as town you generally know that arguing with scumreads is fruitless so when you post about your scumreads you tend to speak ABOUT them in a general sense as if you're actually speaking to OTHER townies to try and convince them. If you're town then your play is drastically different than I remember it being. I thought the switch onto Palmar made you town, but frankly your play this cycle and JAT's points nullify that for me so I think you're mafia.
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On October 02 2014 14:35 StorrZerg wrote:
1. At most 1 mafia on palmar. (Being obi )
2. It's not impossible. It was 2 lynches pushed on townies. Mafia doesn't need to care about which lynch happens. Far easier to afk and let it happen or stick with the easier skydragon lynch and be "well he was bad can't falt me for pushing him" rather than explain Palmar incident.
2. Me being upset with bats about my name isn't alignment indicative. Hell I keep moving past it trying to get him focused on the game, answer questions do anything. What does this comment even supposed to do.
Onto your questions
3. I don't have obi as town. How ever, I know 3 towns pushed palmar. Holyflare thought obi was genuine on pushing Palmar, he had him town. In my point of view, I don't see what obi has to gain, killing holyflare. So conclusion yes I think it is more likely it was all town than mafia. That doesn't mean I'm giving him a free pass.
Most of this isn't a read on obi, rather observations of the game involving him, and logically it's better for town to be lynching within the named 4.
4. I dont. Again it's my logic train. I really don't have a solid read on him, and I'm not lynching him, so I don't care about him all that much.
5. The "musings are accusations " specifically the death of GB remarks from haru.
1) From my perspective it could be two, but you're right - if you're town, there are at most 1 on Palmar. I don't know what this has to do with anything.
2) But /why/? That's what I'm asking you, WHY is that more likely to you then mafia wanting to get rid of Palmar at an opportune time? Further, if they did (from your perspective) then why can't you see Obi killing Holyflare there? He's a strong player, whether he's on others' radar or not. Your reasons for ignoring Obi are SO BAD today.
2) I think it is. Like, as town you just ignore stupid shit like people misspelling your name and focus on things that matter. You've corrected him like four times. That's like 3 times too many to be town imo.
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3. I don't have obi as town. How ever, I know 3 towns pushed palmar. Holyflare thought obi was genuine on pushing Palmar, he had him town. In my point of view, I don't see what obi has to gain, killing holyflare. So conclusion yes I think it is more likely it was all town than mafia. That doesn't mean I'm giving him a free pass.
The bolded statements contradict each other. Why are you reticent to call Obi town if you have him as town? If your read on the situation is that "Obi is not mafia" then why do you repeatedly insist that you have no read on Obi and you don't care? And the italicized statement: limiting the lynch to the group of four is absolutely giving him a free pass. That IS what that means - you're disallowing a lynch on Obi, so he gets a free pass. Again, why are you saying you're not giving him a free pass? You're reading him town, you don't want to lynch him, so he has a pass.
4) But you do, as I just illustrated. You gave (bad) reasoning for thinking Obi is town. So why not just say that? Are you just trying to keep your options open? Is Obi town and you want to lynch him later if we end up lynching one of your partners today? That's what this whole wishywashy attitude about Obi looks like to me.
5) But they're not accusations - they musings about mafia motivations without considering possible town motivation. And you don't even consider that he could be town. Like, imagine this: Killing claims cop and ragequits and calls everyone terrible. Haru (town) takes offense WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY losing his top mafia suspect. YOU CAN'T SEE A TOWN HARU GETTING DEMOTIVATED TO PLAY THE GAME IN THAT SITUATION STORRZERG?!?! It's like you aren't even trying, and that's REALLY weird considering I came into the thread and JIZZED town all over it.
No, you get lynched today Storrzerg. For town victory.
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On October 02 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 08:28 StorrZerg wrote:On October 02 2014 08:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
JaT's filter is 90% responding to someone and asking then to elaborate with hardly any posts that take up more than 3 lines without quotes. Seems like a lot of fluff to make himself look like he's trying to solve the game with one-liners.
Super hasn't posted much this day but his posts yesterday looked decent to me. I'd put him in null for now.
What am I supposed to read on VE? The person he replaced was practically full afk and was quite a few people's picks for lynching today if sky flipped green. Now VE is here and posting more than haru did the rest of the game.
JaT and maybe Haru/VE if you're gonna be lame and force me to answer your question but I don't feel confident calling either VE or Super mafia at ths point.
I would prefer to vote Obi over JaT based on filters alone, though.
Why are you and Obi paired together so tightly? It's just based on votes, right? no. logically i don't want to vote obi today. From my point of view, even if obi is mafia. There are 2 mafia within FF, Super, Jat, VE. So even if you think obi is mafia, You have to also think there are two from your point of view within Super, Jat, VE. If obi is town, then there are 3 mafia within the 4. Okay now watch this: Logically i don't want to vote VE today. From my point of view, even if VE is mafia. There are 2 mafia within Storr, Super, Jat, Obi. So even if you think VE is mafia, You have to also think there are two from your point of view within Super, Jat, Obi.
What is the basis of the bolded statement?
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Oh I see what you're doing. Nevermind.
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Yes I do. I missed a post last page.
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On October 02 2014 14:58 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 02 2014 08:28 StorrZerg wrote:On October 02 2014 08:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
JaT's filter is 90% responding to someone and asking then to elaborate with hardly any posts that take up more than 3 lines without quotes. Seems like a lot of fluff to make himself look like he's trying to solve the game with one-liners.
Super hasn't posted much this day but his posts yesterday looked decent to me. I'd put him in null for now.
What am I supposed to read on VE? The person he replaced was practically full afk and was quite a few people's picks for lynching today if sky flipped green. Now VE is here and posting more than haru did the rest of the game.
JaT and maybe Haru/VE if you're gonna be lame and force me to answer your question but I don't feel confident calling either VE or Super mafia at ths point.
I would prefer to vote Obi over JaT based on filters alone, though.
Why are you and Obi paired together so tightly? It's just based on votes, right? no. logically i don't want to vote obi today. From my point of view, even if obi is mafia. There are 2 mafia within FF, Super, Jat, VE. So even if you think obi is mafia, You have to also think there are two from your point of view within Super, Jat, VE. If obi is town, then there are 3 mafia within the 4. Okay now watch this: Logically i don't want to vote VE today. From my point of view, even if VE is mafia. There are 2 mafia within Storr, Super, Jat, Obi. So even if you think VE is mafia, You have to also think there are two from your point of view within Super, Jat, Obi. However the logic is from the Palmar lynch. Being if you think either me or obi is town, it's in your best interest to look in the group of 4. Since from your view point ff, you have to know , 2 out of the 3 are scum if obi is mafia, or all 3 are scum. I'm trying to pit you 4 against each other to see who picks what and why.
No, we're not getting David'd here. We're lynching you. Today.
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On October 02 2014 14:26 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2014 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, that's part of why I want to lynch you. You're being very unreasonable. EVEN IF you are town and think I'm mafia, you're generally reasonable as town. You don't speak TO your scumreads either when you're town, as town you generally know that arguing with scumreads is fruitless so when you post about your scumreads you tend to speak ABOUT them in a general sense as if you're actually speaking to OTHER townies to try and convince them. If you're town then your play is drastically different than I remember it being. I thought the switch onto Palmar made you town, but frankly your play this cycle and JAT's points nullify that for me so I think you're mafia. If you think his town play is drastically different this game and were basing your townread on him on his switch to palmar alone how could you call him confirmed town ever? Seems weird to call someone confirmed town just to call them mafia after they point a finger at you...
I have a clearer picture of his motives now that I've seen him play this cycle. Like, look at how he townreads Haru until it's convenient for him. I couldn't even FIND his case on Haru because there WAS no case. I assumed there was one because he said there was, and when he pointed out what he was calling his case and I read it, that really made me look at his posting this cycle. Look at how he's treating Obi - he refuses to call him town, but gives several reasons WHY he thinks he's town. He's either keeping his options open or he's going for the win WITH Obi THIS cycle - that would explain his nonsensical push on the other 4 players AND his wishywashy attitude about Obi.
Storr was pointing a finger at me long before he voted for me. He was calling me mafia before I even posted (he was reading Haru mafia remember) so I called him confirmed town WHILE he was pointing a finger at me. If you thought YOUR observation was weird, CHEW ON THAT.
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"Tunnels"? I literally spent most of the game on Obi, now I'm on you. That's literally the opposite of tunnel. Just because I'm now suspicious of you doesn't mean I'm tunneled on you. That's a gross misinterpretation at best and a misrepresentation at worst.
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