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On August 06 2014 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:eden im not saying that his vote switch is evidence that he's scum. I'm just saying it's not evidence that he is town, because there is plenty of scum motivation for doing exactly what he did. So this is from his towngame, right? Show nested quote +
WHY SLYGUY270 IS MAFIA
Let's look at what he has said.
The first thing he does, is vote Damian without providing any reason whatsoever. He then disappears for a few hours. He gets caught out and tries to explain that by saying that he didn't like instant first posts because they seem mafia to him. Which isn't really a reason, he hasn't justified why the posting time indicates anything about alignment. He dismisses Socrates's question about his behaviour by saying he can't convince him anyway. Then he jumps on WardenDresden's ridiculous troll post about players starting with the letter G to be mafia, without any reason either.
He is appearing to contribute, without actually contributing anything. So I ask slyguy270:
1) Gtlblx has been active in driving discussion in the game. What do you find about his posts that you do not like about him, such that you are voting for him? No a 1 sentence response like 'his name defense is bad' won't cut it.
2) What are your other town and scum reads right now? Provide detailed explanations.
Until you satisfy me with your answers,
##Vote: Slyguy270.
what scum motivation is that? check a few pages back, marv and I talked about it and concluded the more reasonable answer is that gobble is town - might help you get a reference for where I'm coming from
and yeah that's a case, I was actually thinking about the case he makes on WardenDresden later on though
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eden, the scum motivation is that vivax hard scumread him, so it makes sense that scumgobble would want vivax gone.
the other motivation is lynching a townie is better than a no lynch for scum.
the other motivation is vivax is a strong player, who probably would have proved himself to be town the more he talked.
I already said all that.
Ok here's another case from him as town:
WHY WARDENDRESDEN IS ALSO MAFIA
Looking back over WardenDresden's posts.
His first post:
He jumps on slyguy's damian bandwagon without offering any new substance. His statements about damian being a mod and posting first frankly are not logical. They in no way predict his alignment yet Warden brushes aside the obvious logical holes and continues to lynch damian.
He then has a bit where 'I think we can learn a lot about playstyles from last game, but once again, it does little to justify any suspicions, but it can help exonerate players whose styles have been confirmed as innocent.'.
That is just saying nothing. He's just saying, we should look at the last game, but it doesn't matter anyway, but it might help slightly somewhere, which obviously is not saying anything at all.
His second post:
He now admits that his mod lynch idea won't gain any traction (obviously, since it doesn't make sense) and then makes a bogus argument about thinning out players with the same starting letter 'to reduce confusion'. I thought we are certainly capable of telling players apart so that shouldn't even be an argument. So basically, his second post is also completely useless.
His third post:
He attempts to justify his illogical lynch reasons above as trying to create discussion. There are better ways to promote discussion than making bad posts. What he was doing is make posts that seem like he's saying something but he isn't.
Then he says he agrees with our suspicions of slyguy, but then rather than voting slyguy, votes for *me* instead for being 'too self-important'. That's the worst argument I have ever seen from him, and it suggests that he is just trying to save slyguy by trying to divert attention.
Therefore,
##Vote: WardenDresden
His posts are devoid of substance, he is trying to look like he is agreeing with other people without following up on it, and he's trying to lynch people making actual contributions.
Slyguy is probably also mafia, but right now Warden is the worst of the bunch.
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^that case is fucking good.
his cases this game are fucking bad. When they go into specifics, those specifics are misinterpreted.
still scum.
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kush are you like totally 100% convinced?
i might just sheep you if you are.
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"quit mafia forever if im wrong" convinced
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ok. you can have my sword then.
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On August 07 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote:
"quit mafia forever if im wrong" convinced
Kush, how about obi?
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okay...
so again, gobble didn't try to lynch Vivax because Vivax scumread him, as far as we can know. he moved his vote at the last second to try to prevent a no-lynch. you're assuming a motivation that you can't prove at all to advance this argument
and the other stuff: town has a motivation to avoid a no-lynch as well, obviously, that's why we lynch at all. him wanting a lynch instead of a no-lynch isn't scummy. you said earlier that you were arguing that it doesn't make him town; never mind that i disagree, why are you now arguing that it's affirmatively scummy, instead of that it's not affirmatively town?
the Vivax meta thing i'm not personally familiar with so can't comment, but is gobble even aware of this meta? i guess his teammates could make him aware of it, which is akin to something holyflare said earlier. this doesn't really strike me as a great reason either, because then you could argue that anyone trying to lynch someone who's reputed to be good as town is scummy for doing so. which is dumb
i guess i'm gonna need to go look back at gobble's case on haru again to see if i'm wrong, i don't remember seeing the misinterpretations you're talking about. or at least it didn't seem any different from the webdip cases, would probably be a better way to put it
but kush at this point everything else is you taking onesided explanations of gobble's behavior without giving fair or due consideration to the other side. i can appreciate you arguing that him being around at EOD like he was isn't a town lean but i can't understand how you can conclude it's a scum lean
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the thing is, i really think kush is town, and he's been pretty damn handy at catching mafia lately, and he seems really really convinced that gobble is mafia.
it kinda feels like a leap of faith is called for.
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eden im not using his last second vote as evidence that he is scum. i'm just saying I dont think it's evidence that he's town.
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obi is town who does antitown shit sometimes.
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ok i reread gobble's case on haru and i don't see where it's significantly different than the case on slyguy from webdip. it's weaker than the case on warden but that doesn't mean anything to me because it's in the same style as far as i can tell.
nor do i see the misinterpretations you're alleging. in fact in your original post quoting these alleged misinterpretations, you straight up just call them misinterpretations without any elaboration at all. can you do that now? or if i missed a later elaboration please point me to it? ty
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i agree that kush is hella town to be clear. i said he's taking onesided explanations but i don't believe it to be malevolent, just... heh, misinterpretations. accidental ones. shit happens
not familiar with his recent track record and also don't care, i'm not in leap-of-faith mode so i'm not planning to take one.
why are you in leap-of-faith mode anyway?
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So I am halfway caught up but free the rest of the night and should be up to date in the next 2-3 hours. I have a few reads up to this point but not going to post much of them until day post.
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On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 18:56 HaruRH wrote:
Artanis feels scummy for buddying with someone who had suspect entrance and suspect posts. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere.
Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations.
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why not? if someone's in good form and is convinced someone is mafia, that's kinda compelling.
i get tons of lynches through like that.
sheeping good skill to have tbh.
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On August 07 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
why not? if someone's in good form and is convinced someone is mafia, that's kinda compelling.
i get tons of lynches through like that.
sheeping good skill to have tbh.
because you should be trying to find something compelling yourself. come on, now. i guarantee you didn't get that belt by sheeping to victory
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I will say someone has my gut going off as scum that I normally have correctly read in the past. You know who you are.
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On August 07 2014 00:30 Onegu wrote:
I will say someone has my gut going off as scum that I normally have correctly read in the past. You know who you are.
I know who they are too :p
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