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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 06 2014 12:06 GMT
#1781
On August 06 2014 20:58 Eden1892 wrote:
Haru, I know the main reason you had such a visceral reaction to my push on you last time we crossed swords was because I made it personal, but I got the impression well before I ever did that that you were a fairly prideful player. That's a good thing in my book, people who take pride in their performance and their work tend to bust their asses to try to win and I love being around people who do that.

There's just a fire missing in your play that was burning bright and hot last game. Anyone else that was in that game can probably back me up on it. You played pretty tough and were unafraid to challenge people on anything. Hell, our first interaction in that game, you called me out for trying to seed your ML after Slamroot. Never mind whether that was true or not; the point is that you were completely fearless in your assertions. In retrospect, it was pretty obvious that you were town, and I should have read it much earlier.

Your play's just really different here. There's a meek deference when you're interacting with most people. You've been getting scumread by a lot of people, and while you are doing something to resist it, the fire's just not there like it was before. Something's just off. My first thought on it is that part of your passionate defenses of yourself when you're town come from the ironclad knowledge that you're town, and the added fervor that comes from knowing you're right; and thus that the fire's missing in your defense this time because you're mafia, you know you are, and you can't generate the same righteous indignation that you have when you're innocent and accused of being guilty.

But that's not the only explanation that fits, and there are townsided explanations that fit. So, before I try to get you lynched, if there's a townsided explanation for this, please tell me what's up. You can say that you don't have to appease me and don't want to deal with it, and that's fine, but you know from our other game that I can get people to support a lynch I want, and I think you and I both would be better off just working with me on this question instead of trying to play hardball with this talk of appeasement. Okay?


if you noticed, when we cross-swords, it was very deep into d1. (50 pages deep in fact)

On July 12 2014 19:21 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!

If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.

Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.

So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).

So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town.


WRONG WRONG WRONG

Theres no counter wagon because NOBODY SET IT UP YET

Its not too late to salvage the situation dude, if I was scum and slam is scum now, I can easily salvage this hole they jumped into easily

Rather than thinking if we were bussing, think if slam is scum in the first place

Glowingbear doesn't fit the bill at all. You're just looking for another town to steamroll through d2. So I understand from your intent that you want to -> lynch slam d1 into lynching us d2. Note that only scum would set up a d2 lynch before a d1.

your actions have been recorded.


This part was the start. I literally townread slamroot very hard, so your reads on how slamroot was mafia and how we were bussing him made me very pissed. If you tried to lynch kush along with me this game, I would definitely rage too btw.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 12:10 GMT
#1782
well, not lynching kush, so I guess we won't have to worry about that

FWIW I think you're really on-point with obi and it makes me feel better about you.

marv/hf are y'all still of the mind that we definitely had a scum b/t Haru and gobble?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:16 GMT
#1783
don't see why that would magically have disappeared, no
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:16 GMT
#1784
if kush is still super sure on gobble maybe i can go for that.

i was considering it right at EOD (i think i made a post) but then Vivax was an asshole one too many times and we know what happened.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:18 GMT
#1785
On August 06 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
because of what Holy brought up Obiwan.

maybe i should just lynch gobbledy. i might be wrong and it would clear a lot of things up. basically a lynch for information...

yeah i posted this. then saw Vivax begging for a lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 12:26 GMT
#1786
hm I guess I can see why it wouldn't change for y'all, it's just one of those "this guy is scumreading my scumread" moments where I think they can't both be scum, can they?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:31 GMT
#1787
Maybe they can't? That still doesn't change that dynamic?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:34 GMT
#1788
A Malaysian man looking to enlarge his penis fell victim to a semi-hilarious Internet scam this week, paying nearly $167 for an advertised “penis enlarger” only to receive a $10 magnifying glass.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 12:39 GMT
#1789
so wait do you think obi is town then? i'm confused
i thought i remembered you saying otherwise but maybe i'm mixing it up
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:44 GMT
#1790
i have no idea what you're saying and whatever it is it probably doesn't matter.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 12:52 GMT
#1791
i thought that last message was pretty clear >(

do you think obi is town or do you think he is scum?

i thought we agreed that gobble was more likely town which means either haru is scum or neither is scum

you said nothing about your view on haru changed

and you said you think there's a scum b/t haru and gobble

if haru is scum and claiming to scumread obi then obi is ????
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
August 06 2014 12:54 GMT
#1792
wow.

way to overcomplicate.

who knows what bussing may or may not have occurred up to this point
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 13:28 GMT
#1793
beep beep

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“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 06 2014 13:30 GMT
#1794
Why is gobble town, Eden? I don't want to make you repeat yourself but I also don't want to read through your filter.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 13:39 GMT
#1795
god bless my perfect defenses

two things re: gobble...

1. I realized when I reread his Haru case and reexamined the webdip game that his case is written in the same style here as his cases were there. Gobble is very confident and to-the-point when he writes his cases, and he tends to present the strongest possible case he can against the targets he picks out for a lynch. They can come across as being unfair (which I think Vivax called him out on, maybe others too? can't remember who exactly, sorry) or one-sided, and sometimes they are. But especially given his claim that this is his second town game online, ever (and I believe that claim), and first on TL, I'm not surprised by it. There's a tendency among newer players to do point-by-point analyses where they find scummy behavior in everything the target does. Gobble doesn't quite go that far, but I feel like that tendency is there and that it's easy to misread as scum overselling a case.

2. His check-in trying to get his vote switched at deadline makes much more sense to me from a townie POV than a scummy one. Remember that Gobble was Adkins the whole time leading up to the lynch, due to time zones. The incentive from a town POV to try to get a vote switch in at deadline is obvious: he thought we were going to a no-lynch and voted to avoid it. But as scum, he had a perfectly plausible out to look at the game at deadline, see that it was probably going to a no-lynch, and not make any posts to indicate that he was online. Announcing his presence actually caught him some fire from Holyflare, I think, for ninja voting and then leaving. That's somewhat risky for scum, and more importantly, it's taking a risk for a negative payout, because if he doesn't do anything, town no-lynches instead of lynching, and loses a mislynch. The logical play for scum to make in his shoes is not to try to get a vote in before deadline to avoid an NL. That doesn't mean he wouldn't subvert that expectation as scum, but it does mean that the more reasonable explanation for his play there is that he is town.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 06 2014 14:13 GMT
#1796
What's funny is that I said I wouldn't be around for deadlines, but I made an exception and put RL stuff off just so I could be around at lynch.

And now people are going after me for it.

This is what I get for giving a shit.
Retired.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 14:16 GMT
#1797
Do you honestly not understand why people have a problem with the way you handled the EOD in particular and all of D1 more generally? If you do and you're just venting that's cool, but you sound like you sincerely don't get it, which is rather alarming.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 06 2014 14:19 GMT
#1798
No, I don't get it.

I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.

And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it.
Retired.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
August 06 2014 14:27 GMT
#1799
"Always"? This is the second game of yours I've had the delightful pleasure of witnessing.

Fine. I can see you're not going to listen to my words. Maybe getting lynched again will open up those ears.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
August 06 2014 14:30 GMT
#1800
On August 06 2014 23:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
No, I don't get it.

I had trouble voting because I wasn't sure if I wanted Haru or GD, but I wanted to keep everyone from doing a mass voteswitch and in the end I was forced to switch to someone I wasn't even considering.

And you always have a problem with my day 1, so I don't put any stock into what you're saying about it.


Point 1: You said I played like how I normally do as town. That means you townread me. That means you should be on GD.

Point 2:You was never forced to switch. They were ready to lynch me again once the time is near and nobody switches. Your hesitation + now your complains of being forced to switch don't match.

Point 3:There will not be a nolynch on d1 because they were ready to jump back to me fyi.

It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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