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On July 22 2014 14:35 batsnacks wrote: All of this seems like a really bad way of overcoming nerves. I don't come from epicmafia. Like, if you get nervous playing scum and you're worried you'll mess up (to the point where you don't even want to read your role PM), why not just play for real until you don't get nervous anymore? Are you going to keep relying on a dumb gimmick that will probably get you lynched just because you get nervous? inb4 protoss jokes It's not just about nervousness but you can try to solve the game like a townie before finding out you're scum, at the risk of uncovering your teammates. The benefit is that you can play genuinely to your town meta if you feel that it's one that makes you easily look townie. | ||
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On July 22 2014 15:32 batsnacks wrote: Having less information doesn't help you win. It might help you not die day 1, maybe, if you're really uncomfortable pretending to be town. Playing scum with information lets you see things from an entirely different perspective, which is the weakness you try to find in order to catch them. I often find myself having a hard time trying to make up why a guy looks scummy cause in the back of my head I always know that what he's doing isn't scummy. | ||
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On July 22 2014 18:29 Teemursu wrote: Yeah, this convo is boring the hell out of me. When's the game approximately going to start? In 6 hours. I'm just talking as much as possible pre-game to make my filter unreadable. | ||
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The first 5 posters get a preliminary townread, so don't miss out! | ||
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On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing. I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T. Therefore: ##Vote: Teemursu Die. On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote raynpelikoneet Sigh Gut wise I don't like these entrances. | ||
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On July 23 2014 18:21 Navillus wrote: Oh and I almost forgot, vivax what are your reads on kush, xata, obi, or teem. I don't care who or what combination you answer, it's just that you haven't posted much since the game began so I'd like to hear what you think. It's all right bro we're lynching you today so I don't have to read the rest of Xata's and teem's filters. Life is beautiful. But keep up the good work. | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:23 Chopin Liszt wrote: anyway really dislike vivax this game total apathy towards everything My emotional involvement is an example for generations to come. | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:31 Chopin Liszt wrote: so why are we lynching navillus? On July 23 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote: ##Vote: Navillus Palmar stole my thunder. Don't really need to explain further beyond what Palmar already said about him. Chopin Ask your partner. Who is it, marv? | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:53 Chopin Liszt wrote: are you trying to find out if we're worth shooting at night? ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/rngE31q0PTHbO/giphy.gif) | ||
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On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote: I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town. Nope, it's a spot on case about a guy trying to look tryhard but showing an inherent lack of interests into topics he should have a focus on, and I get the same feeling, especially from that post. It's more like he talks about anything that is potentially worth talking about, not just what matters. I have yet to see him fight back against the bullshit reads I gave about his alleged people of interest. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:22 Navillus wrote: Seriously? Because what? I was supposed to actually argue about whether someone posting first or fourth was a townread? I read your posts, categorized you as useless, and put down that if you continued like this you would be an excellent lynch target, it's asinine to think that I didn't care about those questions because I didn't respond to your ridiculous non-answers. Now are you going to actually start talking about your reads? What if I don't. | ||
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On July 23 2014 12:41 Navillus wrote: Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment. On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote: Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable. On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote. Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote: Huh. Apparently Vivax is about 5x more active and involved in the game as town compared to his scum play. Right now he seems to be leaning scum. Does it make you want to lynch navi less. | ||
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So you don't feel the reasons Palmar gave are strong enough to warrant a lynch on their own regardless of who's agreeing with them to head for that lynch? | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:38 Xatalos wrote: I feel like Palmar made a reasonable early case, but it's far from conclusive. It's hard to have a conclusive case on D1 really. And you playing more to your scum meta + wanting to lynch Navillus isn't very encouraging. On July 23 2014 18:48 Xatalos wrote: Navillus could be scum. Reasonably likely is. His posts are pretty inconclusive and weak despite having a lot of text. Leaving a lot of options open for future actions. Looks to me like you felt it's conclusive enough so that you would add your own reasons on top of it before throwing it away cause one guy on it plays to his scum meta in your unverified opinion. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote: What the fuck do you expect that early? At least he is doing something. In how many games is scum giving their opinion on literally everybody and anything that happens in the game as only one in the thread? Palmar / Vivax are probably scum this game. This is a very hyperbole statement about navi and displays you're not critically reading his posts, I am sure you can back up that he's doing exactly that with quotes if you are indeed right. | ||
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tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote: When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing. what he was doing > what you were doing. lynching him < lynching you It's math. Scum agenda equals simulating town agenda while opting for mislynches. It's logic. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:07 Koshi wrote: I like how you think that Koshi is harddefending his scumpartner here. Which you are implying in the last 2 posts you made. And when I say like. I mean hahahaha, You scum. I'm not implying that. I will judge you both independently. | ||
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I didn't say you're defending him cause he has to be your scumbuddy. He can be either, and I won't decide what it is based on your actions, but on his. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus. Good thinking. When did you decide to scumread me? | ||
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And the reason is that I'm not doing anything while navi is doing something? In that case, why not vote me earlier? | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote: This proves that you didn't need the answer to that question. Which isn't a surprise because it was a completely stupid question. It's not, I'm making inquiries about your scumread on me. You dropped that vote when I posted something about you, then said it was cause I didn't do anything while navi was doing something. I derped around when I sheeped Palmar's case, if derping around is the reason for your scumread on me, then it should have happened at that point. | ||
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On July 23 2014 21:58 Chopin Liszt wrote: You gonna have the balls to actually call him mafia? read the thread | ||
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Don't lynch: Everyone else. | ||
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On July 23 2014 22:38 Teemursu wrote: Mostly agree. Why Chopin? Also could you put that list into an order of would lynch the most -> would want to lynch the least. I'd rather focus on Koshi and navi for today. A bit more unsure about the other two. Regarding chopin, I got bad vibes from that last question since he implies I didn't say clearly enough that I thought Koshi was mafia when it was there for him to read, so it's a bit of guts and animosity and not a fully fleshed out read based on analysis yet. | ||
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That was just complete overshooting. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:10 Chopin Liszt wrote: Yes, and I was correct... You skirted around it while Koshi went directly at your throat. Chopin Semantics you are arguing about, when I say a guy is eligible for lynch then it's hardly cause I think he's town. | ||
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I feel like what he's doing is scummy but I'd like the view from another party observing the interaction. | ||
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It's demoralizing to only be in thread with people attacking you. You gave me some light Teemu  | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote: I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one. I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax. Of course I focus on the navi one. Palmar makes a good case, you ignore it and read him as town for reasons I can't fathom. Nothing of what you are saying in this post makes me scum and is only a needless, unconstructive provocation. | ||
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On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote: Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now. Since there's not much else I currently feel like talking about, here's the mistake I happen to do as scum: I am capable of looking town just by my posts, but at some point I'll get the feeling my options run out, or/and I become lazy and uninvolved in general business. This happens at some point after D1, most of the time. Afking for a prolonged time ends up as a death sentence, now that the forum knows the way I play town. It's pretty clear that I started this game with posts that are openly abrasive, disinterested or exeptionally trolly. I just want to try out new stuff rather than going straight to business and arguing the way I do now that I have more to work with. Hi rayn! Heading for the biggest filter I hope. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:12 kushm4sta wrote: Vivax, it seems like you are voting nat for lack of content in that one post, but he had a lot of content before that. Palmar's case isn't about lack of content. Are you even aware that Navi scumread you. You don't seem particularly touched. | ||
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On July 23 2014 17:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is that a mafia post? This was before he explicated the reasons. Do you find yourself only agreeing with the case after he did so or is there something of your own you wanna say about navi. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Does this post have a purpose or no? Because it doesn't seem like it does. The purpose is to know when and why you started considering voting navi since you asked Palmar what was scummy about that, and now I want to know if it's that very same post that makes you consider lynching him. | ||
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This is directed at you, Xata. | ||
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Then tell me what you think of Koshi skipping over it to townread navi for reasons that to me seem quite iffy, too generic in the first long, and hyperbole in the second short post regarding that. | ||
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On July 24 2014 02:43 Xatalos wrote: I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning. You will have a different perspective than me given that the big post is an attack on you, so it will be hard to get you to realize what I mean in order to get you to agree or disagree with my read, I'm naturally more suspicious of people who I feel attack me without proper justification. Now, if you pretend for a moment that the big post wasn't an attack on you but somebody else, and read the reasons he gave for it, will you still come to the conclusion that it's a post from scum? | ||
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It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later. Take a look at it now, I want to estirpate the notion that I'm scum whenever it arises in people I think are town. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know what to read him. I agree with him to some extent on you, other stuff he has posted is just.... mehhhhhhhhhhh....... With this??? On July 23 2014 21:01 Koshi wrote: When he was doing that. You were doing completely nothing. what he was doing > what you were doing. lynching him < lynching you It's math. | ||
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On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote: It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference. Now tell me if what I say is right or wrong. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: i didn't read that post. it wasn' really interesting. i don't know what's it about and i doubt it's important as noone has pushed anything based on that post. If you only focus on what's popular at the moment you won't get far. Too mainstream rayn, too mainstream. Now go listen to madonna. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax that's not why i think Koshi voted for you. If i am wrong please correct me. I correct you. Go with my blessing, amen. What of Koshi now? | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: what do you mean? i just said idk... do you even know why Koshi voted for you? Isn't it already an issue that you can't be sure why after we had that long fight in the thread? I made my reasons clear enough while Koshi was busy writing stuff like: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2014 21:07 Koshi wrote: I like how you think that Koshi is harddefending his scumpartner here. Which you are implying in the last 2 posts you made. And when I say like. I mean hahahaha, You scum. On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus. Good thinking. On July 23 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote: Is this conversation really happening? *yawn* Wake me up when you got something interesting to say Vivax. On July 23 2014 21:51 Koshi wrote: Why would I be following your every move every fucking second of this game? I was ignoring your useless ass but then you said something really stupid and I voted you. That's why it was then and not earlier. I would like to believe Town Vivax would understand that. As if you would ever scumread me for ignoring your useless ass, but now that I am voting you, you are trying to paint me scummy for ignoring your useless ass early. So yeah. you scum. On July 23 2014 21:54 Koshi wrote: I am not the one being red here. On July 23 2014 22:45 Koshi wrote: Navillus typed words when nobody was typing words. I give him a townread. The end. On July 23 2014 23:07 Koshi wrote: itt: Vivax confirming me town when lynched. On July 23 2014 23:22 Koshi wrote: I like how I gave "shitty" townreads on multiple people already. But you seem to only focus on the Navillus one. I mean it is annoying that I am ruining an easy misslynch here. But you should have been less obvious about it Vivax. And in all this time he was able to bring his point across as to why I'm scum all we're left is with 1/10 reasons and 9/10 taunts. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means. Why did you feel the need to get so worked up over his posts then. | ||
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It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference. Now: what you say is not right or wrong, it's just not scummy by any means. I'm just curious as to why you go all "wtf" on his posts, when I show you what I disliked about Koshi you're like "meh, not scummy". Calm your horses. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i didn't like your post and i liked Koshi's response -> which was to vote for you, as i have clearly said. What's so hard to understand? That I fail to understand how you don't like my point I made en passant about Koshi posting his convoluted reasons for navi being town without having a scumread he would be able to support with that. Like, he talked about all that stuff before, the only thing I saw close to a scumread was his vote on CR, then came mechanics talk, mass claim talk, he skips over the palmar case until I ask him about it, claims that navi is town, and in all this, where exactly was he scumhunting until the point where he dropped the vote on me more out of omgus than anything else? | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: vivax can you show me how exactly this happened, because i don't see it this way. gimme your perspective plz. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=19#361 Palmar's case. Read Koshi until I post this: On July 23 2014 19:59 Koshi wrote: I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town. And between those he posted a list of "not-lynch" with navillus not in it. He must have been terribly disinterested into what palmar had to say until I asked him about it. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: and i need an explanation why you seem to pop in only just when someone calls you mafia lately? I second this, I got the feeling like he's F5ing thread without doing anything behind it, which is why I said "hey Obi" to see if he unlurks. I was kinda placated by his last medium sized post but I definitely want to see this guy sweat. Don't have the feeling like he's trying to achieve something in the meantime. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hey guys. I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them. #logic You can also genuinely try to find mafia. What is this defeatism. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:49 Koshi wrote: Vivax is using tinfoil theories to push me. Interesting. I am pretty sure I read Palmar his case. Indeed, I didn't see navillus among the bad lynches list. Confirmation bias deleted the name -.- | ||
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Ah right he had to be scum cause he policy voted along palmar and Damdred. | ||
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It would be a pity to get lynched as scum D1 three times in a row I would probably jump off a bridge. | ||
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On July 24 2014 03:51 Vivax wrote: Indeed, I didn't see navillus among the bad lynches list. Confirmation bias deleted the name -.- But the fact still stands you weren't scumhunting up until the point you saw something threatening for you. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:08 Palmar wrote: You guys write way too much. Write a quick bash script to filter the relevant stuff. | ||
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On July 24 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote: I agreeee. Why is everyone fine with VA still breathing. I don't understand. Leave him to the vigs and talk about something we have information on instead. | ||
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From my limited understanding it isn't as asphyxiating as it sounds. | ||
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On July 24 2014 12:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually, I want to know why Vivax started to scumread me. His filter indicates that he had a townread on me for the majority of the day and then kind of changed his mind for no reason. The time it looked like you were lurking the thread and displayed that shitty attitude. | ||
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On July 24 2014 16:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You were one of the people instigating my "bad attitude" you dingus. You can't talk down to someone and then scumread them when they get mad at you. That doesn't make any sense. That's like scumreading the sun for being bright. And it's not even like having a bad attitude is alignment indicative. What a load of nonsense. I want to know why "lurking" and "bad attitude" overrode every single other piece of information you brought into the thread regarding how you were reading me. No, I didn't even attack you cause I was previously going with my own expalnation for why you were looking more townie, precisely cause you seemed carefree. At some point, you got all bitchy at others doing that, and simply played as if you were lurking the thread, stating that there was nothing worth discussing for you. That's also when I started instigating, cause I was curious how you would react to being accused of being so defeatist and careless about what was happening in the thread. General feeling of your postings at the time is that you were just trying to stick to a minimum. Now it seems you're starting to go all out. If you keep pushing me I'll consider scumreading you cause it's so outlandish though. What I find odd is that you don't talk about Xatalos when he's one of the main wagons going, so it's time for you to pick a side or at least openly say you don't want to, cause if your intention is to push me as scumread, then it's about time you start convincing other guys who are of other opinion, and you can only do that if you have your own. As for what I think of Xata: He's very laid back given that there's a wagon rolling with good chance of success and I have yet to see a strong will to win in his play. His attempts to call GB scum were shot down, and he didn't play my little game where he had to try to agree with me on GB's biggish post looking townie. So yeah, definitely not headstrong play, rather resigned, and I wouldn't mind putting my vote on him at the end of the day. | ||
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On July 24 2014 16:20 Teemursu wrote: Who's telling you if you should or shouldn't? Myself. | ||
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You're used to getting pushed D1 and that makes you vulnerable to behaving scummy as either alignment in that case. When you actually do something of your own, unpressured, displaying you truly care, that's when I will feel confident reading you (as town). Or if you don't, then as scum. | ||
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On July 24 2014 16:49 Teemursu wrote: Point is, there shouldn't be any should or shouldn't. you either do or you don't. Incorrect, I reserve myself the right to be unsure how to read a guy. | ||
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On July 24 2014 17:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Above: others being carefree. This is clearly not me being bitchy at others for being carefree, but for pressuring me for no goddamn reason for the bajillionth time. Though I'll admit that your last two posts look okay. I can see we don't see "eye-to-eye" a lot of the time because I still disagree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think that makes you scum. I'll probably sleep on this read and be back before EoD. Xatalos looks pretty dead with/without my input, but the last couple of posts I got from him seemed okay, I guess. Maybe I'm biased because he wasn't trying to murder me. Not a read I'd be super confident in pushing, at any rate. I don't get why you think "will to win" is something that determines alignment, though. Elaborate pls. Will to win means that you show effort in either defending yourself or arguing why somebody else is a better lynch than you. The feeling I get from Xata is that he doesn't seem all that concerned in that regard, which is why I perceive him as resigned. I don't want a wagon on me when I'm town and will fight it unless I really get angry and think that town is too stupid anyway for me to argue against it. That's not the feeling I get from Xata. It's more like he talks about a bit of this and that without seeming too focused on the important issues, and when I'm town a wagon on me is an important issue in my opinion. With things like these the trick, or jist, is to decide whether it's just an individual playstyle difference and the guy is town, or a scummy mindset. If I take a look at this post for example: On July 24 2014 08:30 Xatalos wrote: I haven't really been too productive so far, that's true. And the stuff with "attention whoring" and the like... :D:D:D That's a pretty far-fetched reasoning of finding me scum. And the followup I see that he shows interest into CR afterwards, asks him a good question actually (nested): On July 24 2014 09:10 Chairman Ray wrote: That's not exactly my read on you and Koshi, and furthermore it's pointless to discuss now. Why are you interested in my other reads? And thinking about it, I don't want to decide on Xata before this is answered cause it's a really good point. I don't think Koshi looks good in spite of having so much activity, most of it was really worthless talk about mechanics and claims in the beginning, later he spent time writing taunts more than explaining why I should be scum to the thread. I think the task now is to find out 1. If Xatalos is scum and 2. If not, who on the wagon could be scum and 3. getting this question out of the way cause CR scumread Xata for connection stuff and kept his scumread up in a way I'm not sure is genuine. | ||
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And that's where you can show us some thougts of yours Obi. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote: Ok. Let's lynch Vivax. You've been doing nothing but rehashing the same thing over and over again, you can't seriously hope that anybody should take you seriously for sounding like a recorded tape. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote: It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it. batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure. Check Damdred. He's ghosty. | ||
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Low activity, check. Case without followup, check. General feeling of "Nobody is talking about me and I'm doing nothing", check. | ||
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On July 24 2014 05:24 Damdred wrote: Whats so wrong with me asking questions about why you think someone is mafia or your leaning on someone? And then you get defensive about it? I will look into your content when I get to a computer, but I would like an answer or at least a glimpse into your thoughts Didn't deliver ,check. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:40 Navillus wrote: Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them? Wouldn't call batsnacks a lurker, and Vayne has to be vigged, Palmar is readable to some extent. Glowbear I don't think is scum atm. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:51 Palmar wrote: Maybe navillus is mafia after all Been thinking that too just for the way he kinda tried to deflect attention from Damdyboy. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:54 Navillus wrote: ? I'm trying to figure out why one lurker is a better lynch than another, if we could collectively lynch them all I'd be cool with that but failing that I'd rather lynch someone I actually have a read on. Now Palmer, it's really nice for you that you can call me mafia because I've posted enough to be readable, do you care to reciprocate? Ye but your perception seems to be a lot different, it's not just cause he's a lurker, I mentioned some other stuff too, but somehow you reduce it to the reason just being that he lurks. | ||
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And no Haru, that's not a scumslip. It's a contradiction to what he said earlier but if you look hard enough you'll find stuff like that in my filter as well. It's not like your plans of what to do during the day have to stay constant all the time. People change opinion. | ||
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On July 24 2014 19:34 Navillus wrote: Well it's time for me to actually go sleep, idk what I think about that being a scumslip, but I will say I no longer am worried about the xata lynch being too easy. While what I did wasn't even close to me trying to divert from a damdred lynch, the damdred lynch does sure as hell look like an attempt to divert from xata to me. Wtf | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:00 Koshi wrote: What townie would ever think this? I am voting this guy. If he keeps lurking I can keep voting him. But if he starts posting we totally nailed a mafia lurker. Is this a legit question or are you just gonna yell again if I answer it properly, cause then I cba to explain it to you. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:13 batsnacks wrote: Who should I vote if not you? Maybe I'll listen to you. Discuss the alternatives and pro and cons of lynching Xatalos if you got the brain matter to make an insightful, complete post. | ||
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You can also simply post in a way that makes you more readable and prove you got the brain matter. Pleaaaase? | ||
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If it were a push on me based on his reasons I wouldn't be as chill as you are. On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote: I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The reason is simple. His posts read like he cares, he posted a case on Xatalos without according followup, he promised stuff he didn't deilver, he doesn't post much at all. People like him are more likely to be scum over people like VA who openly look bad instead of hiding behind townie sounding posts. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:27 batsnacks wrote: Yeah I'm more than a little tired of playing with people who just call each other idiots all game. It makes me want to troll those people, but I'm trying to behave. You can try again day 2 assuming you get the chance. Assuming you get the chance, might be the vig gets tired of your whine. Maybe I'm the vig and I get pissed at people who play the victim, take your chances if you so wish. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote: The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+. What would be an acceptable reason for you to scumread Koshi then, acting stupid not D1, but D2? | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:34 Xatalos wrote: I think it was the way he responded to my questions or something. It felt like he genuinely had a thought process behind his push and it wasn't just a fake push. Go into detail if you can. Show us your thought process while you quote one of the posts that made you get that idea. It's your head on the line so it's in your best interest, and also in mine to find out what you are. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:40 Xatalos wrote: I have a terrible history of reading Koshi so I'll just quote a guideline I received from a player with better success reading him: "Koshi I think is really easy to read, he becomes really obvious town some time on Night 1 or Day 2 if he is town. e.g. in ## mafia I thought he was suspicious on day 1 but mid day 2 he was easily my strongest townread. he bleeds his thought process into the thread. it's really transparent, you just gotta read and put yourself in his shoes." If he bleeds his thought process in this game I'm sure you can tell me why exactly he's reading me as scum cause all I saw him doing was yelling and not explaining. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote: You say the case from CR is pretty genuine, why can't batsnacks not believe in the case? and tbh, that CR case on you looked pretty good. I mean, the joke in the start was enough to vote you if Vivax wasn't so damn scummy the entire game. Waitwaitwait, what joke. | ||
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On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote: I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys. Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that. So Xatalos confirmed town. I mean, the joke in the start was enough to vote you | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:57 Koshi wrote: I AM THE FUCKING BEST PLAYER IN THIS GAME BY FAR. No, if you are indeed town you should simply quit and let me do the work. You've only been shitting up the thread with stupid, repetitive posts. Maybe you're not acting stupid, maybe you... ...get the drift. | ||
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On July 24 2014 20:57 Chopin Liszt wrote: Would a picture of him vomiting suffice? It would definitely improve town atmosphere. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:46 Vivax wrote: Yea but compare him to Damdred who tries to look tryhard and at the end of the day really isn't. Here's the case on Damdred. Simple, efficient. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:24 Teemursu wrote: So instead of saying who you think it is and make him easier to read, you're keeping it as a secret for your and his amusement? Yes. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:26 Xatalos wrote: And Koshi is the Joker. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9x9Eckw.jpg) This is what I think when I hear Koshi. | ||
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So I will cautiously say bad scum will do as little as possible while appearing tryhard, and that's the camp I see Damdred in at the moment. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:43 Koshi wrote: How the fuck is Xatalos being lynched while all big filters are not on him? Yet there is almost no resistance. Which doesn't make Xatalos town in this 13 vs 3 setup ofc. It just makes all the big filters scum. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1SNIIvW.jpg) | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:50 Xatalos wrote: I don't see a reason to claim. That's my boy. | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:55 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck is your vote not useless on Damdred? Cause there are good arguments for him being scum. I'm totally not biased here. | ||
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On July 24 2014 18:29 Vivax wrote: Yea I agree on Damdred, plus the general low activity. Feels like a guy avoiding spotlight. On July 24 2014 18:29 Vivax wrote: Doesn't really seem all that interested into you (Xata) after he posted that thing. On July 24 2014 18:36 Vivax wrote: Low activity, check. Case without followup, check. General feeling of "Nobody is talking about me and I'm doing nothing", check. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:11 Koshi wrote: IF VIVAX IS THAT LITTLE TOWN HE IS FUCKING SCUM. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. DID YOU EVEN READ WORLD CUP??? HF fucking hosted it. ![[image loading]](https://allgeektomeblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/angrybilbo1.jpg) | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote: If all the sheepable people are voting for somebody that means that the people who they normally sheep are not doing their job. Now if everybody would have a scumread on Xatalos that wouldn't be a problem. But people LIKE VIVAX read Xatalos hardcore as town. But he doesn't do anything to prevent his lynch. Or tell the thread why Xatalos is town. Wtf are you talking about. If you're so sure about his alignment then enlighten me, I'm not. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:18 Chopin Liszt wrote: ok on page 1 Damdred's filter in Storm 2 I cannot tell you why he is town either. ##Unvote ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi This kinda surprises me. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:25 Koshi wrote: Vivax has been lying or "misunderstandin" me twice and painted me scummy for it. Now I blatantly lie about one of his own reads and he ignores it. I answered to it. Do you want me to yell "Koshi scum" and get down to your level? Bitch please. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:26 Teemursu wrote: Vivax how convinced are you that Koshi is mafia? I'd say around the 70 %. I still have room for thought that he's just being cray cray as town. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:31 Chopin Liszt wrote: I am fairly sure Koshi does not have the capacity to be this crazy as mafia. I'm not sure why you think he does. Time will tell, for today I prefer to focus on finding the right choice between Xata/Obi/Dam, and my preferred choice for the moment is Dam. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:39 Teemursu wrote: I feel like town is in a terrible spot. Don't wanna generalize but I've seen mafia lynched for posts like these. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:42 Teemursu wrote: What's your point with this? Do you think I'm mafia? If so, please elaborate. If you think, as you said previously, that I'm town or "the light that you see", why throw random scum at me like this? You will see what I mean when Holyflare sees your post (I'm actually curious how he will react to it). I saw him use that heuristic earlier, people complaining about the atmosphere being scum. I don't use it personally and I can't tell if it's accurate, but it triggered the memory. I'm not calling you scum for it. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:45 Teemursu wrote: Moreso, you say you "don't want to generalize", but you're already at least like half implying that I'm mafia. It's like Chopin said, you're not being blunt. Was Koshi right about you? Overreacting much? | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote: Have you ever seen town be lycnhed for posts like those? No, I've seen HF claim that he caught scum with it, and another time used it to bus a teammate. But hey, at least suki was really scum. Shall I apply that heuristic as well? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:15 Teemursu wrote: I don't fucking know. But how does he KNOW that Xata is just VT? In some twisted sense this could be him fishing for a role as well or something who the fuck knows. This is not making any sense and it came out of the blue. harhar. Would he know it as mafia? Seems to me like you two are making a drama out of a guy pissed at Koshi's rolefishing. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:18 Koshi wrote: You know he did it 2 times already. What kind of dumb question is this? And that's the reason I wanna know if he will do it again. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote: Koshi if not Xatalos who is your two main lynches right now Confirmed not reading the thread. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:23 batsnacks wrote: Not only do I think Koshi is town, I think he's probably right about vivax. Confirmed no brainmatter | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: That is incorrect, I am asking him a legit question now. His post about is this how he sounds shouting about vivax makes me wonder if hes changed his mind. I just want to know Dude, he called me scum, Chopin scum, all the vets in between and now he's forcing Xata to roleclaim. He never even explained why I'm scum. | ||
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And now that you come back your only scumread is Xatalos, who happens to be your wagon of salvation, and ask Koshi something that should be obvious given he has been spamming his scumreads without reasons like a mantra. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:29 Teemursu wrote: Holy shit, every time you post I feel like I should be voting on you. gbs logic only makes sens if xata is vt anf him pushing it so hard is really fuckibg weird. seem to me like youre throwing random scum at joshi and me for this by asking retarded questions that arent leading anywhere and NOT TRYING TO FIGURE THIS SITUATION OUT. i am confused and koshi seems genuinely confysed, making me think hes town in this situation. and th more and more you post koshis push on you is making more sense Yea but GB can't know if 1. Xata is town and 2. If Xata is a VT even if he was scum. So even if what he's saying doesn't make sense to you it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:33 Damdred wrote: Then don't trust me but i'm stinking town, I made a post about my top scum read and the situation got crazy since i've been back so i'm trying to gather from Koshi any information I can in the here and now if GB is right or wrong. Who cares, he was under a different situation than he was before right? Sometimes people answer different in different situations and the GB post somewhat changed what was going on in the thread. Just lynch the person who wanted to ask questions right? Your question is answered I guess. What are the consequences you draw from it and intended to draw? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:34 Teemursu wrote: no shit. that shit is fucking obvious but it isnt making him town either. what the fuck is your point? i feel like you dont have one The point is you and Koshi went apeshit over something that shouldn't have made you do that, since apparently it's obvious to you it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:35 kushm4sta wrote: Koshi, are you mentally retarded right now? Because you would need to be to think vivax has a possibility of getting lynched today. You are just cluttering the thread with that opinion right now. It's always better for scum to lynch me so they don't have to shoot me the following night. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:40 Damdred wrote: Use every opportunity especially hectic ones to draw out peoples alignments right? Wouldn't it of made sense in that case for Koshi to hop on the GB for posting something that threw the thread into hectic state? Also your reaction was strange instead of commenting on Koshi and their reaction straight away you went straight to me and told everyone to lynch me and I wasn't reading the thread before seeing where I was going... Why would it make sense for Koshi to hop on GB? He was busy getting Xata to roleclaim, explain please. ___ Ok let's get some common sense back in the thread and not this monkey panic fest Koshi and Teemu started. Kush, you aren't caught up if I had to guess, but I want you to look at my Damdred case and give me your opinion on it, and give an opinion on his comeback. Plus, evaluate if we should switch to Obi like chopin proposed atfer looking at Damdred. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:47 Xatalos wrote: Whatever. The damage is already done. I'm just PASSENGER (VT). I was trying to bait scum into shooting me at night but now it'll be impossible. What is this bullshit, why would scum shoot you by fooling them into thinking that you have an extra life. | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:49 Xatalos wrote: That's why I said the "damage is already done". I was hoping to at least make it a bit harder for scum to figure out the roles. Ok, but the reasoning you used up there tells me another story. You literally said you wanted to bait scum into shooting you by claiming vet. You realize how that looks to me right? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: Xata is pretty obviously town tbh. Mafia don't make these retarded, convoluted plays that make zero sense. The play is bad, but the logic he just used isn't logic. Did you get HF to see what Teemursu said? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:55 Chopin Liszt wrote: According to the people voting Xatalos, his plan was to fuck around with claiming while making no sense and look absolutely terrible when he claims VT in the end anyway. This is not how mafia try to rationalize their way through claiming while they're being lynched. What do you think of the people voting Xatalos? Still feel like Koshi is cray cray town or legit shit-up-the-thread scum? | ||
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On July 24 2014 23:59 Koshi wrote: So what is your case against me? You keep saying I am +70% scum. You haven't even gone so high on ANYBODY ELSE THIS GAME Yet you don't push me. At all. On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote: It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference. On July 23 2014 20:51 Vivax wrote: This is a very hyperbole statement about navi and displays you're not critically reading his posts, I am sure you can back up that he's doing exactly that with quotes if you are indeed right. On July 23 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote: And the reason is that I'm not doing anything while navi is doing something? In that case, why not vote me earlier? On July 23 2014 21:46 Vivax wrote: It's not, I'm making inquiries about your scumread on me. You dropped that vote when I posted something about you, then said it was cause I didn't do anything while navi was doing something. I derped around when I sheeped Palmar's case, if derping around is the reason for your scumread on me, then it should have happened at that point. Reasons include these + the general way you've been playing and not genuinely tried to figure out my alignment. I have to assume it's a purely malicious scum push at this point. Add to that the overraction to GB you didn't really try to draw conclusions from. Instances where I encourage people to look at you for specific reasons, which is to be considered a "push" (as opposed to preaching "lynch this guy please") are frequent in my filter. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:10 kushm4sta wrote: i won't vote for obi. he has the tendency to look sorta scummy as town, but i think he is town. He also especially has the tendency to look scummy as scum, so I feel your lynchbait argument is out of place here. | ||
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On July 23 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote: Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now. Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication. Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool. But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their? This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town? Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes. Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far. | ||
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It looked to me like he was agreeing with CR on the joke Xata made (making him look scummy), when earlier he said he was confirmed town for that entrance. I don't know if I've been mixing things up cause Koshi doesn't want to communicate like a normal person. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:18 Chopin Liszt wrote: Vivax is a stupid lynch. Not as stupid as Xatalos, but stupid. It's not stupid if you promise me to lynch the fuck out of Teemursu and Koshi afterwards. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:23 kushm4sta wrote: im not confident in vivax being scum. I think it's a big mistake to lynch him today. I can guarantee that. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:24 Chopin Liszt wrote: Vivax, vote Navillus. I can't control this ridiculous town apparently. That's what you get for smurfing. Names and symbols are power on TL. Maybe you should tell us all who you are and to fucking get a grip. Koshi decided to not scumread you at all any more, just sayin. Kush, still waiting for you to compare Damdred's case with the one you find scummy from navi, doesn't matter if we lynch him anyway, I'd still like to know. ##Unvote ##Vote navillus | ||
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Cause I made an observation about me seeing people getting lynched for posts like that, he suddenly feels like he has to kill me and is Koshi's best buddy. When he didn't even read his filter cause it's obvious that his scumread on chopin vanished. Try to lynch me, you fucker, try to lynch me and get lynched I dare you. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:49 Teemursu wrote: Great fucking job, town. So fucking good. Why the fuck did people move on to Navi? Shut up you little fart. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:51 Teemursu wrote: Voting Navi was so fucking retarded, even Palmar said that Navi picked up his play after the case. Holy shit. Palmar also said afterwards he could be mafia and he'd be posting a case. Your perception seems very limited. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I should have just sheeped Koshi and kept my vote on you instead. The reason you survived as I see it is that me and chopin had to make a compromise with kush and vayne. You can thank them. I will certainly do cause it's still what saved me from dying. Hence I'd rather have dam or you vigged over vayne at this point. | ||
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On July 25 2014 00:57 Koshi wrote: Ok Vivax is also confirmed town for this: If you dare to insult town players after this monstrosity as scum you don't deserve any respect. Unless they are scumbuddies this is completely out of line. Tell us why Teemu is town then. | ||
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And as the game progresses the pieces start falling together and it becomes easier since you have to look at less when townies start dying. D1s are always messy, you can push Koshi tomorrow as well, no reason to lose your head. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:04 Koshi wrote: It was 5 / 4 and then a shitton of randoms came in and voted Navillus. If I was in this thread they would have had to vote Vivax or claim scum. Hosts ends this game 20 minutes before deadline and with a 5 minutes warning or something I don't even fucking know how much it was. Vivax is fucking Innocent Child. You're going down no matter how you read me now. Your entire day 1 push was a joke you should be ashamed of. If you're town I will be shocked. Literally shocked. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't have any fucking idea when the deadline is because i got my role PM at 20:00 my time. The clock is 19:11 atm. I have been at work and started reading for like 20 pages and then someone said the deadline is at 19:00 my time. It does even read in the OP the deadline is at 20:00 but fucking daylight savings time and i have to switch timezones and i always forget to do it. Ehm, talking about the meta information of your role PM is considered cheating I fear. | ||
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Might be you have an excuse for it, but you also have to bear with the suspicion stemming from it. I never got mercy even when the reasons were legit, let it be known as an ironclad rule. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because you keep saying stupid shit. I'd be glad to hear what you mean. | ||
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Am I confirmed town now or what. Hope you take a good look at them if I flip tonight. And also at damdred, the guy didn't do nearly enough to redeem himself. | ||
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Attack me please, show me how you scumread me. | ||
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You are among those scumbags attacking your drill instructor. Martial law sentences you to a long and painful death. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You keep trying to kill me for no reason. You're coming up with reasons to townread me and then you flip them for no reason whatsoever. I still have no idea what the progression on that read is and it's bothering me. Some of your reads seem superficial and they're bugging me. They all wind up on players that have histories of dying early and often and the grounds for having them aren't solid to begin with. The only scumread you have that doesn't fall under that category is Koshi, and I don't particularly understand that one at all aside from the OMGUS going on. Maybe I'm just paranoid, I honestly don't know right now. I need some time to think. And maybe some time to play Titanfall. That's super important too. I'm not the only guy trying to kill you. And I'm the guy with the longest filter, look at how long it is, impressing huh? So why me and not everyone else calling you scummy for giving absolutely zero fucks about what happens all day long. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote: Don't wanna generalize but I've seen mafia lynched for posts like these. Like holy shit that's such a mafia thing to say dfjgperjnghpr So this guy thinks I'm scum. He's so sure of it that when he has the chance to figure it out he prefers to troll me based on a comment I made against him earlier. That comment was like, saying that I once saw a man eat a bunny alive. And this particular bunny immediately thought he would be the next bunny and had to kill me before I did. But I didn't even say that I would kill him for it, I then said it was Holyflare eating bunnies alive for that. But no, still, I wasn't blunt enough that I wanted to eat him so he decided he had to side with Koshi in killing the drill sergeant that's trying to pull this goo of content out of the scumbags. | ||
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On July 25 2014 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have started to like vivax. what's the current case on him? Teemursu's is probably cause he thought I wanted to eat him, so he got all scared and stuff and decided to follow Koshi in his stupid quest to kill the drill sergeant. Before he never seemed to have any issues with me. Just that particular post from me must have triggered some scary memories. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:02 Chopin Liszt wrote: i'm finally around! Hi. On July 24 2014 22:39 Teemursu wrote: I feel like town is in a terrible spot. Wanted to ask you about this. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:08 Chopin Liszt wrote: i read it and it looked terrible because he was: a) talking to koshi like koshi was confirmed town previously ("hey koshi we need to lynch between obi/damd if not xata") b) a complaint straight after someone had switched their vote to one of the names he wanted to lynch The juryman has spoken, Teemursu. Do you have anything to say in your defense. | ||
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No followup on this wtf. And the reasons you gave happened long after the post you said looked scummy from me. Are you just being sloppy or why don't you include what you found me scummy for from the start? All of those reasons you gave just now is me fighting off your petty wagon. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:22 Teemursu wrote: How does b) make me scum? I was talking to Koshi about who we should lynch because he was the only person at the time I found myself agreeing with a lot of his posts. The spot where I was with Koshi, Viv, GB and Xata, Koshi seemed to be the town in the spot while I had to re-evaluate who I wanted to lynch. If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. Lies, this was your opinion on Koshi & me at the time: On July 24 2014 22:32 Teemursu wrote: Thing is, I'm not reading anyone that's voting Xata as strongly scum, which is making me paranoid that I'm mafiasiding if I vote with you/Xata/Damdred/Obi and I'm not so sure about Koshi and Vivax. This is probably really bad/idiotic/beginner-like, but it's my honest feel of paranoia. Right now I just want to go by my reads and vote on either Obi, or now Damdred, who I just went through and am pretty convinced that he's a good shot at finding mafia. On July 24 2014 22:36 Teemursu wrote: Koshi, if you're town, you have to realise that Vivax is almost guaranteed not going to get lynched today. I feel like we need to decide who to lynch between Obi/Damdred if we don't want to lynch Xata. | ||
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I feel like you're trying to find reasons why I'm mafia instead of actually thinking that Im' mafia. This has artistic value | ||
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On July 24 2014 21:55 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck is your vote not useless on Damdred? On July 24 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote: ohyeah the ghost thing. Now he did promise me he would do better on D1. DAMDRED why do you PROMISE ME, KOSHI, RULES OF THE UNIVERSE, that you will play better on D1 and then play a D1 like this???? Probably worse than Storm 2. On July 24 2014 22:04 Koshi wrote: Yeah, chopin is so mafia though. He wants to lynch Obiwan and doesn't vote him. If this ass scuker is marv than he would always vote first. ALWAYS. On July 24 2014 22:11 Koshi wrote: IF VIVAX IS THAT LITTLE TOWN HE IS FUCKING SCUM. THAT'S HOW IT GOES. DID YOU EVEN READ WORLD CUP??? HF fucking hosted it. On July 24 2014 22:15 Koshi wrote: Damdred is doing absolutely nothing just like he was doing absolutely nothing in Storm 2. Vivax knows that he did nothing in Storm 2. Still he pushes Damdred for doing nothing here. Vivax, What is the difference between Damdred in Storm 2 and here? On July 24 2014 22:44 Koshi wrote: Damdred If you leave I will lynch you. On July 24 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote: Vivax and Vivax But Xatalos is the lynch. He keeps soft claiming blue while if he was blue he could just say the name of the blue and scum wouldn't know what the role does. If he claims near the deadline it is too late. He can be lynched. On July 24 2014 23:57 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Vivax I am sheeping Holyflare/marv here. Everybody should sheep the 2 best players on TL. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:51 Chopin Liszt wrote: what is that supposed to show vivax? although i like how koshi wants to sheep me/chopin but then doesn't actually vote for the same target - He called you scum quite confidently earlier on and then entirely stopped caring about you close to deadline. Even said something about sheeping you by voting me when that was nowhere your intention, also he tries to glorify his former scumread. - First he says something about your vote on Damdred being useless, later says Damdred had to step up like promised after I explained why Damdred was scum, he even said what he was doing was worse than in Storm. Later, when he has to push me, he totally says that what Damdred is doing isn't scummy when compared to Storm, says he doesn't see the difference. Change of opinion is obviously of practical value so he can use it to paint me scummy at the same time by claiming that there's nothing scummy about Damdred I'm pushing. - Then goes again with threatening Damdred and acting as if he was scummy. - When asked about lynch option the only option is me.No compromises, he had multiple options from earlier, but it had to be me, the drill sergeant, his former scumread chopin becomes the guy we all should sheep. - When he gets mad at you for not scumreading me, then it's like something he should be expecting anyway since he claims to have read both of us as scum. He'd only get mad if he didn't manage to convince you thinking you're a townie. My 20000 ¢ | ||
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Add to this the other stuff I mentioned about his earlier game. Having no scumreads and then being super confident in writing a case for why navi is town when there were reasonable arguments for why he could have been scum, all along not pushing his own preference for scumread while doing that, instead talking about scum KP and claims. | ||
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And yea I agree with the reasons on Teemu. Saying he was treating Koshi as town as justification for his hardcore stance switch towards me and koshi when he felt threatened looks like a lie if I look at what he wrote shortly before I made that remark. I was really surprised he would try to turn against me like that just for that observation cause I didn't actually suspect him until then, and with thenI don't mean the post I made a remark on, but when he got all hostile at me for pointing it out, which I felt was an overreaction. You try to argue more from a mindset point of view. That he kinda uses Palmar to take a crap on what happened to navi, which implies he valued his opinion, then turns hostile on him in the next moments, for example. I get that point. "look at this town dude, he said this and you didn't do it", "look how scummy he is now" a bit later. Plus, I feel like Koshi and him gave up really quickly on pushing me now that they lost their probably only chance of achieving that. Koshi's push feels like an all in, I don't understand how somebody could be so insanely tunneled to the point of not wanting a compromise about for example Obi, who he called a good lynch earlier, but when me and your hydra buddy tried to move the lynch into that direction, all Koshi was yelling was still my name, as if he had a lyncher role and would win the game if I die and not when he hits all the scum. | ||
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On July 25 2014 03:46 Damdred wrote: Think i just haven't done enough for v You sticking around for a bit? I'll be reassessing your filter so it would be nice if you could chat a little. | ||
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On July 24 2014 22:56 Damdred wrote: The interaction is generally strange he had Xat down as mafia earlier and Xat had viv down as mafia earlier (but he changed his mind quickly when prodded and based his read on other games where viv activity was lower when he was mafia), and i'm not sure if Viv is actively sheeping a case made against me or was just trying to get me to delurk so he voted me. I'd like him to answer that, because the case against me is much weaker then I would normally expect him to follow for being a vet. First of all, I don't feel like I have sheeped any cases. I looked at your filter when prodded, and saw all the stuff I ended up writing about, I don't remember it being like I was simply repeating what Xata said, I simply said what I found scummy about your filter on my own. Main concern being that you lacked followup on Xata's case, you looked like you tried to scumhunt, but somehow ended up playing very little, and there was some stuff at the end of the filter you promised and I didn't see you deliver. So I was thinking to myself: "This dude tries to look like he's trying but he didn't really try much". Simple as that. Wanting to get the wagon started, I expected you to pop up at some point and start pouring in a lot more effort if you were scum. Let's say I'd have considered you more suspicious if your post volume per timeframe exceeded the one before I made that case, cause it would have meant you rather focused on pleasing the guy voting for you, obviously I would consider at the same time whether your efforts were pointed in a genuine townie direction, you get the point I suppose. Additionally I wanna add that there's nothing strange about people changing reads on each other, until you manage to argue why the reasons are strange. The way you try to put it in that post it's not evident at all what was strange about our stance changes on each other, so if you feel your point was important feel free to explain it now. On July 24 2014 23:47 Damdred wrote: GB main lynch target today was Xata, he built several good posts around him, Xata responded to some of them a bit oddly which looks like made him stick to him. Suddenly out of no where GB comes up with vote Koshi for trying to get Xata to claim, it isn't to far fetched that Koshi could of changed his list and put GB on it for that post it was worth a question at least. I don't really understand why you try to justify what Koshi did with this post. It's like an explanation for why what GB did precisely isn't scummy. You either think he was bussing Xata, or he wasn't. If he wasn't bussing him, then he had no real agenda as scum to pop into the thread and scumread Koshi out of the blue for the way he was trying to squeeze Xata. If he was bussing him, then I don't think you had that feeling. | ||
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On July 25 2014 04:05 Palmar wrote: please, please don't waste a check on me tonight btw. Like just don't do it, I'll rather shut up and allow myself to be lynched than know some idiot cop wasted a perfectly good night checked me. I promise not to check you if you post the new results of your filter script. Deal?  | ||
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On July 25 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: Your right it wasn't sheeping you had me down as one of you scum suspects for awhile before that. To be honest when i saw xatas and your votes i figured in the next few pages my wagon would be rolling or id og gotten lynched while i was gone. To the reads on you and xata reads on each other yours changing doesn't mean as much since its a gradual change but xatas sudden change was weird and him saying you weren't scum but still voteing you felt odd indeed. That point in the thread was hectic and well i thought GB move off xata after so many posts about #1 scumread was weird but not exactly scummy. I was more wondering if that post affected koshi why i wanted to ask questions instead i got into it with you a small bit. You don't expect everyone to instantly change his vote whenever he changes his read, do you? Maybe it's a habit you got on another forum but I for myself think not throwing your vote around isn't really something to care much about as long as it's not on the end of the day, when it really matters. This is obviously different when you play in an instant majority setup. Another thing I wanna add is that you didn't really fight back when chopin tried to move the lynch away from Xata. And from the little you claim to have played, you still came back to the thread swinging that he was scum for ignoring you and the such. He replied to your case at that point however and you kinda didn't seem to care much about what was happening and happily sheeped chopin on navi after he skipped over your reasoning with his bewitching argument. Would also like to hear what you think of Teemu and Koshi, I feel like the past pages have had a lot of content regarding the two and it would be beneficial to see some committment from you on the issue. | ||
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On July 25 2014 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: you have been saying shit for like 8 pages of those 10 Koshi. there is a reason people read you scum, marv or not. Besides it was HF agreeing with my arguments and not really the alleged marv who surprised me with being so reluctant to scumread Koshi. So I don't see at all why Koshi is claiming that the alleged marv had a scumread on him. Let's just call him chopin for the time being k? | ||
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On July 25 2014 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: vivax. i'll be honest with you. i've been bothered with phonecalls all night long so i have really no fkn idea what happened after p50 -> lynch. who do you think is scum? Koshi and Teemu? who else? Just take your time with catching up I don't want to really repeat stuff that is fairly visible in my filter. We aren't in a hurry now. | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:04 Teemursu wrote: None of these posts imply a strongly imply my opinion on either one of you alignment-wise, kind of awkward to quote these posts and call me a liar for nothing. Yea, and you lied cause you said during this night: If you think I'm mafia because I read someone as strongly town and wanted to hear his opinion. Implying you read Koshi strongly as town when the quotes suggest you weren't that sure at the time. | ||
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I'm pissed as crazy about koshi's push on me yesterday cause it was incredibly stupid, baseless and stubborn. It just stops me from being able to take a good look at the game when there are people constantly tunneling you for bullshit, who refuse to explain what they find scummy. And that you didn't realize that the way Koshi was pushing me simply was not townie, cause it was 90 % yelling and 10 % reasons, if even, and he refused to talk with me properly, and still does with others, is one of the reasons I want you to die, cause I just can't see how a townie could be so insightless and animal. So I'm giving you the chance now to take a look at my filter and actually explain to me what in it makes me scum, and what gives you doubts, or I'll just further categorize you as ungenuine tunneler not worth of being talked to but only to be pushed relentless. | ||
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On July 25 2014 16:59 Teemursu wrote: That was when people were going apeshit, which is when I started reading Koshi as strongly town. Where am I not making myself clear? None of this is still making me mafia. Is this really all you have on me? And by the way you and Koshi were the cause for people going apeshit. Just to remind you, you will find more instances of me trying to discuss lynches in a legit way, and arguing in a logical way compared to you who were going apeshit over GB finding Koshi scummy for the roleclaim he was trying to force, and yelling vivax vivax vivax. | ||
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If you really want to lynch me then you have to prove to the thread why I'm scum with a chain of reasoning, like I did with Koshi. Otherwise you just stick to the animal nature you displayed D1. | ||
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Wanted to see if you were a tunneled townie with real reasons and real intent or just a scummer shitflinging. Needless to say what feeling I get from this page. | ||
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I already have expressed why I think you're mafia. You thought Koshi is "70%" mafia and you didn't make a single strong case on him before or in the post you said that. You started thinking I'm suddenly mafia for reading Koshi as town, and yet you can't build a good case on me. Instead, all you do is harp on me for reading him as town and point out posts where I've said that I don't have a strong opinion on either one of you yet. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=72#1422 If you think the way Koshi pushed on you wasn't townie, why didn't you push on me earlier for that? I did express at some point earlier in the day that I thought both of you were kinda town during your fight. Why didn't you question me for that? Here you actually mostly agreed with the list Koshi was in. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=27#536 I talked to multiple people trying to make them consider Koshi as a lynch and you somehow imply I should find anyone scummy just for not agreeing with me, which is stupid, really stupid and not an argument for anyone being scum. You're trying to give me fault cause I didn't you scumread you for not immediately agreeing with me on Koshi. Instead, you tried to pocket me by saying "I was giving you light" and you for some reason wanted my opinion about Chopin accusing you for not speaking bluntly and actually calling people mafia, which is what I've been accusing you of right now. Yep, I said that chopin was accusing me of not being blunt in regards to Koshi, and I pointed towards me being blunt about navi, cause it was an instance where I was blunt enough. I was in a Koshi liszt crossfire at the time and you didn't really take a hard side so I was kinda thankful towards you. Anything else? | ||
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On July 25 2014 18:58 Palmar wrote: If vivax is mafia this game I'm goingto be so mad. I was mafia last titanic and had to suffer through him playing like shit and getting lynched dau 1 Do you think I'm playing like shit? | ||
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If I'm mafia I'm playing awesome, if I'm town I'm playing awesome. | ||
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I'm probably a good janitor target though so Koshi and Teemu won't look as shitty. | ||
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Not a real man for a debate. | ||
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Did I do anything wrong? | ||
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On July 25 2014 19:24 Xatalos wrote: I think Haru's claim thingy is probably town motivated. At least I can imagine myself in his position doing something like that. Don't know what his motivation is but if you're vet you should rather act like you have another role instead of putting a big "don't shoot me" on your chest. If he is vet it was awful play. | ||
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Prime targets for tonight are me, chopin, Palmar. Assuming they are all town which I currently do. On the other hand scum also has to assume they are likely medic targets, or jk, or whatever we got. So if one of us gets shot they really wanted us out of the way, and badly, take that into account the next day. To get back onto more useful topics: Xata I have to admit that rereading the start of D1 you do seem scummy. Just so many weird things, starting with you deciding to not lynch Koshi for something he said in pre-game, then posting a list when prompted. Kinda tryhard but not really, same arguments I used on Damdred. I'm just musing right now and it's night but I'll assume it's my last just to be safe, do you see the reasons for why that looks bad? | ||
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On July 25 2014 19:40 Xatalos wrote: I don't really see what's scummy about posting a listpost when asked. Lists aren't inherently scummy. It's just scummy when you post a list with rehashed information to appear like you're doing something. My list was 1) made to answer a request 2) not rehashed in any way. So why is it so scummy? Not saying that it's townish either. I didn't say Koshi wouldn't be a good D1 lynch because of anything he said? It's just that apparently he's often a bit suspicious on D1 so it might be too early to judge him then. Was this a joke? On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. | ||
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On July 25 2014 19:43 Koshi wrote: Xatalos refuses to scumhunt. What happened to your aggressive push. I feel like something is missing in my life since I don't hear the angry mobster asking for my death any more. If you have legit reasons for thinking I'm town now, and not just the modconfirming silliness, then I need your opinion on Teemursu keeping up the push on the drill sergeant. Martial law might have mercy if you prove you were just on the brink of insanity and not able to control your actions. | ||
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On July 25 2014 19:49 Xatalos wrote: That was a joke, yes. Why do I get the feeling your heart raced and you held your breath until turning blue before saying this with a loud expiration. | ||
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He definitely plays this game as if he didn't care. Anyway, Xata, you are now here: ![[image loading]](http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/9/2013/02/jk08_1.jpg) Tell me about your read on Teemursu and Damdred please. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:21 Xatalos wrote: I think I'm leaning town on Teemursu. He's been pretty active, pushing his reads, getting attention. Not a position that scum would usually assume. Damdred is slightly scum / null. I wouldn't mind seeing him dead, but I'm not confident enough that I would bet the victory on him being scum. Btw he was pretty passive around the lynch too. He asked me some questions, I answered, he never really followed up. Then he just.... hanged around in the thread and changed his vote to Navillus when the flow of the thread changed. Would Damdred be your lynch of choice tomorrow or do you think that somebody else is scummier. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:32 Xatalos wrote: I think the fact that I easily gathered 5+ votes, same with Navillus, but it was impossible for ObiWan, might make it more likely that he's actually scum. Assume for a moment that ObiWan can be town, too. Why would scum want to lynch him over Navi when either choice doesn't hurt them at all. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:37 Chopin Liszt wrote: I'm reading along. Not exactly sure what you're asking here. Obiwan wagon came before Navillus and never got more than 3 votes, Navillus ended with 8. Chopin This is the lawyer I suppose. Xatalos argument is that Obi is more likely scum cause he feels the wagon didn't gain traction so easily over navi's. I'm saying that scum can still prefer another lynch over his even if he was town, and he can't just deduce that Obi is scum just based on him not being the preferred choice. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:39 Xatalos wrote: Not completely sure yet. Damdred/batsnacks/ObiWan all seem like decent choices, but not especially great. I guess it kind of comes down to process of elimination since by now since I'm leaning town at least on Haru, Koshi, Teemursu, Chopin, rayn, GB, kush, Vivax. The rest are closer to null or even slightly scummy. I'd wager that most of the scum are among the rest. Who of the rest is scum then. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:44 Chopin Liszt wrote: To make that argument you'd have to find compelling reasons why Navillus was a menace to mafia, which is a tricky proposition. Chopin This is directed at Xata? | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:44 Xatalos wrote: Hm. I don't think scum would care that much which townie got lynched. At least I wouldn't care as scum. Precisely, in a town vs town situation scum can do whatever the fuck they want, the less sense it makes from a scum perspective, the better for them. So you can't say Obi is scummy just cause scum decided not to pile onto him instead of others, unless you can argue who of the others was a teammate they needed to save, and why Obi was the best choice. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:47 Xatalos wrote: I think lynching into Damdred/batsnacks/ObiWan would quite likely result in 1-2 scum lynches. But you just said they're not the greatest lynches and scum is more likely among the rest. The rest being your townreads - these three. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:49 Xatalos wrote: I'm not sure if I follow. Isn't it pretty natural that the scumteam would be happy to vote for me/Navillus but not for ObiWan if he, indeed, was scum? Again, even if he was town he wouldn't be the best choice, or fuck knows what scum chooses to do. Yes, they wouldn't vote him if he was scum, they also wouldn't vote him if he was a shitty looking townie. Just...use other arguments and not this for Obi being scum please. | ||
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I'm not saying mafia preferred navi over Obi, that's what Xata is saying in the argumentation for Obi being scummy. So it should be directed at him. | ||
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Somewhere if I really had to pick 3 Vivax/VA/batsnacks I don't know why these 3. The End? No. Previously, in the same post, on AMC. I will end all this with me acknowledging Vivax has a big filter and that that can be used to argument he isn't scum. | ||
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On July 25 2014 20:58 Chopin Liszt wrote: no you're not getting it. Navi got 8 votes ez pz. Obi wan got 3 votes with me pushing it and that wagon happened first. Based on this alone, Obiwan looks worse, unless someone can think of why mafia would particularly be happy with Navillus and not Obiwan. Because otherwise Obiwan should have got more than 2-3 votes. You're the one asking Xatalos why it makes Obiwan mafia for lynching Navillus, but if you're saying Obiwan is town, then you have to explain why he hardly got any votes. Although if Obiwan is mafia that makes Teermersu much less likely to be mafia I think. Hmm. Interesting. Chopin Main reason being that kush and vayne popped in and didn't want to sheep you on Obi but chose navi on their own. As I see it, shouldn't Xata be suspicious of these two now? | ||
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Assuming Obi is town. Point of all this being, if Xata wants to argue that Obi is scum, I don't want him to use such arguments. | ||
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I just don't know man, how the hell am I supposed to believe he could be town like everyone is saying. | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:13 Chopin Liszt wrote: I don't understand how you think he could manage to behave like he has as mafia though. Chopin I feel like I have been on good terms with him most of the time, and even got some leeway from him when I was mafia in the previous game, which actually cost them a mislynch. This game he just doesn't even try to sit back, reconsider and realize I'm town. Maybe it's a lesson he has drawn from last game but what's stopping me from thinking that is: If this guy even reconsiders me being scum when I play scum, but doesn't reconsider me being scum when I'm obvious town, and doesn't even try to listen to reason, then that's highly different from when he played town, and that gives me the impression he's scum. | ||
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If you really wanted to lynch Obi Wan so badly you had the chance to help me and chopin move the votes onto him, and try to persuade kush and Vayne, but you didn't, which is why you are to be treated as a guy who didn't want to lynch him, but just me. | ||
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But you kicked those chances. What you are saying is not believable, and is scummy, and does not reflect what you really have done during D1, which was pushing me without compromises, without real figuring me out, without the right level of townie friendliness and consideration I would have expected from you. | ||
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What has his work to do with his alignment, or is that some sort of hidden message only you understand. | ||
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Vivax gives me shit for stearing the entire town in the right direction while not disagreeing with my case. I disagreed with your reasons and you know that very well, Koshi. I don't think I need to link to that. Are you begging to be townread cause you townread a flipped townie? | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:35 HaruRH wrote: Yes, it is something only I could understand. I probably shouldn't tell you all what it is though, but trust me he is 100% town if he had to resort to try this I'm not convinced. | ||
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If I can think of it, then scum can think that too, so it doesn't really make a difference if you just come out with it. | ||
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On July 25 2014 21:40 Xatalos wrote: Tbh this just feels like a town vs town ego fight. Stop it for now? I think one of you might even die at night. The difference being that one guy is reasonable and the other just looks insane. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?user=Koshi&view=all Compare it. He's assertive, and genuinely tries to figure the game out, leaves back room for doubt. Asks the right questions. I'm almost certain this is scum Koshi at this point. | ||
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On July 16 2014 22:27 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I can't do that as scum. You know that. But you are completely right I am trying to do those things. But I don't want to use it against you. tbh I was truly going to swap to Damdred btw. pinkyswear. But if he flips town you understand that I can't do anything else but spam for 100 pages in the night that you need to be lynched. You understand and accept this right? Compare it to how he handles me in this game. | ||
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That's so scummy. | ||
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I find the differences to be quite defined. | ||
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If you indeed are, then you an go back to the post where I adressed your points and start arguing like a normal person. I don't think I missed something and if I did, state your next issues with my play. | ||
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Even when he thought I was scum he didn't scream it like a monkey, he simply said that if Damdred flipped town, he would have to get me lynched, he died the following night, I still got lynched. When he has to bring his point across without writing a proper case but pushing his agenda like an overconfident Hooligan, you know he's scum. | ||
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People can choose to follow the dogma, or to follow the empiry. Enforcing your point with authority is a rhetoric strategy that isn't based on logic. Science bitch. | ||
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Remember the game where rayn and Mocsta hydraed? Completely insane, spammy, scumclaiming. Still scum. | ||
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On July 25 2014 22:19 Xatalos wrote: Well I think Chopin is easily the most sheepable player in the game (especially if it's who I think it is)... And I mostly agree with his opinions anyway so far. So maybe we should just give Koshi a pass for now. In case I'm not around in 3 hours the game will be in your hands, unless you get killed too, and then it's not up to me if people keep getting fooled. | ||
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Cause what Xata has shown about GoT is empirical evidence as opposed to you just making blank statements. | ||
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You jelly Koshi? | ||
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Now that he townreads you everyone should listen to him. Totally legit reasoning there. | ||
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On July 25 2014 23:57 Xatalos wrote: "I hate him" or "pretty weak play" aren't really reasons not to townread people, Koshi :/ He wouldn't be reasonable during D1, he won't be reasonable now. | ||
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Why the fuck would he try to appear reasonable towards me just before the end of N1. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote: I somehow doubt he would shoot you as scum. It's shitty for him whatever he does. If he doesn't, I push him, if he does, he'll get lynched. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:11 kushm4sta wrote: xatalos why are you filling an already shat up thread with useless posts like that? Don't fuck with my buddies or I'll take you to my interrogation room. Ever heard of Fritzl? | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:14 kushm4sta wrote: nope vivax are there any cases you think are good that I can read? arguments not spread out over 20 back and forth posts between 2 people? I don't know why you value my opinion so much if you don't think Koshi is scum, so I'd rather revert the question and ask you if you think I should look elsewhere and why. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:41 Damdred wrote: He's a prepared passanger in one of his posts Sup Damdyboy. How do you feel about your NK's tonight. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:48 Koshi wrote: And your isn't. You have 16 pages of filter. How many are calling me scum? At the beginning of the night I still thought it, at the end I mostly kept pushing you to keep the appereance, the "he's gonna look better when he shoots me" was mostly bullshit tbh. Hoped it would make me a less likely shot cause maybe it's comfy for scum to have us fighting. Your push was bullshit cause at the end of the day you wouldn't argue when I offered to, you'd just keep pushing. I want you to realize that in the discussion I wasn't the guy frothing. | ||
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It's not my fault you get so tunneled instead of trying to figure out if a guy is scum by talking to him properly, but apparently that's the new style you wanna adopt, get pissed from the consequences and enjoy it. | ||
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On July 26 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote: I should reread my filter to see where it went wrong. But I am sure you were counter pushing me very fast with something about me not saying somebody is town or something. It was a lie. I still remember that. I'm sure it was not, you voted CR for the reason he gave about you and Xata, then stopped talking about who is scum and not and all that other jazz. When Palmar commented on navi and I sheeped it, you didn't comment on Palmar's case but came out with a fleshed out case for why navi was town. That's what I found scummy. You could have figured it out much earlier but you were covered in psychological Tampax and I had to be scum. | ||
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Does the hero who shot rayn want to claim? | ||
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Palmar must have been roleblocked + shot or something like that. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:14 Chopin Liszt wrote: So what happens tomorrow when there is 1 veteran already flipped and two townie looking people with veteran claims? What do mafia do with their shot(s)? Cool story but between you and Koshi it's not hard to think that his claim is more likely. | ||
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WHO IS NEXT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. | ||
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It's always fun to see marv squirm a bit, let's lynch marv. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:25 Koshi wrote: Scum didn't want to touch any of the active players. So crazy. Looks like a game of avoid the medic. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:31 Chopin Liszt wrote: What now, Vivax? Should I be worried? | ||
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Your wagon is the shit and scum will be flies. So keep spreading that game winning odour. | ||
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On July 26 2014 01:34 Chopin Liszt wrote: No-one will vote me because I am town. So I don't understand what you're doing here. Don't mind me, I'm just having fun. | ||
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##Unvote And nobody wants to join the fun. | ||
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You can tell me everything about the abuse you had to suffer in the qt, I will listen, I can even prescribe something. | ||
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Obi/CR/batsnacks/Vayne Chopin is stuff for long term analysis, very strong scum and typically an early NK as town, not a good lynch for today probably. Deeper analysis to take my pick tomorrow or if I'm arsed soon before I go partying. | ||
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I have no reasons, this is a totally scummy vote, I just wanna lynch him cause why the fuck not. | ||
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You don't really have to think he's scum but it would be nice if you could just do it. | ||
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Just as a favour you can vote who you want later but now I want everyone to vote Obi. | ||
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On July 26 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote: Why are we not discussing people who claimed prepared passenger? You think someone of them is scum a la scum fakeclaiming? Also you should vote Obi, that kawaii panda says it. | ||
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On July 26 2014 03:22 VayneAuthority wrote: shot rayn, reminded me of ## mafia Hello, Hero. Can you vote Obi please? For no particular reason really. | ||
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On July 26 2014 03:24 Damdred wrote: The panda almost has me Vivax....i do like pandas <3 You can't be scum. | ||
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Bats, you realize that you are the counterclaim and vayne just is some claimer. Not that it matters much but just to get things right. However I like the idea that it was a scum strategy to lure out the real vig. Could also have been the town agenda to play like an idiot and laugh at us, either way he should probably be lynched. ##Unvote ##Vote VA | ||
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But since you're the only vig apparently, I have to accept the craziness. | ||
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I was just looking for somebody to argue with. That's obviously a scummy post and makes me scum, push me pls. | ||
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The only sad thing is that when it's morning for me Obi goes to bed, so I can't really do the work the pro way cause he can leave and I can't stop him. | ||
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On July 27 2014 05:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't have a solution to winning this game right now and I'm not going to pretend to. If I see something that makes me gun really hard for someone, you bet your ass I will. But I don't see anything superscum as of right now. I don't understand why you put so much effort into trying to kill me/pressure me every single time you roll town. If I have a really good read and I want to be heard, you'll hear it. Though, for the sake of contributing, I will say that lynching VA at this point should be considered nothing more than a policy lynch for doing nothing. If we're actually lynching him for fakeclaiming and rescinding, that's like epicmafia levels of derp. People do it all the time there and I don't see any difference between then and now. I really need someone to walk me through it and I don't feel like CR's explanation was good enough to warrant my vote. If we can find scummy shit besides the supposed fakeclaim, then yeah, I might be able to get behind it. I just don't see it as alignment indicative and this lynch feels kinda lazy. Vivax's scumread on me earlier in day 1 felt really contrived, and in hindsight, I have no idea why I let him talk me out of pushing him when he started posting a bunch of generic advice like "do this to be read as town, or don't and be scum," or, "push your lynch target," etc etc. A bunch of people are townreading him because of meta, and I'd like that explained to me at some point. Though I will admit that my vote on Marv is nothing more than an OMGUS because his lists/reasonings are really lazy and I'd prefer to not die. I guess that makes me kinda selfish. He looks nothing like the domineering, impactful player that he was in Order, either. I actually intended to give you next to nothing but I guess I kind of rambled about some stuff. Man this post. Especially the part about VA: "FOR THE SAKE OF CONTRIBUTING I WILL SAY". Da fuck. Just say it. Stop hiding your opinion. And to get more to the point, Koshi pointed out how VA did such wonky claims in a bunch of his latest scum games, let that flow into your reasoning as well please. | ||
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On July 27 2014 17:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Maybe because you stupid fucks try to lynch me for nonreasons every single time I try to play. I am perfectly content sitting on my hands until I get a strong read. Which I now have. So you are also afraid of getting killed all the time even when you roll town? | ||
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On July 27 2014 17:03 Xatalos wrote: Actually I meant that his activity and interest in the game has been pretty different from his scumgame. It's just that I don't really like how he's been D2. Or early D1 for that matter. Yea but you also have to realize that if I'm able to look perfectly town whenever the fuck I want, then I have no reason to endanger an otherwise perfectly scumgame with the stuff I've been doing early D1, or now that I'm claiming scum for lulz. This can be wifom if you look at it, but if you look at it rationally you will also have to realize that I could easily keep the appereance you find townie up when most are content with a vayne lynch anyway. And yet as scum I decide to pop in and start trolling people cause...reasons? Rationalize me this. | ||
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Obi bites at me and Xata starts delivering information casually that can be interpreted either way without really having a strong stance on me himself. Obi, imagine for a moment that we're both town, how do you see Xata's behaviour fitting into our fight? Do you feel like he's been trying to indicate into a particular direction with his latest posts? | ||
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On July 27 2014 17:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's the exact same reasoning you used to vote VA. Explain why we shouldn't use it to vote you. Cause as opposed to Vayne, the biggest part of my filter still shows that I'm town, with some bits that look scummy cause I didn't care if I looked scummy in those bits. | ||
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Last time you woke up it was around 12 PM, I checked the time, and it was when you couldn't have any influence on the lynch. | ||
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When you're not here to fight it. Bwahahahahaha | ||
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If I find out your vote is on me at deadline and you didn't post until then you're confirmed scum. | ||
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In a position where the vote can have weight and can get a townie lynched. You are town? Good, then don't sign up for mafia games cause you clearly don't care about what happens in them and they only make you a sad panda cause everyone seems to hate you. Are you scum? Good. You've scrubbed off responsibility for my lynch and played the emo part. Now go to sleep, little horse. | ||
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If you still have doubts about my alignment then I want you to confront me now. I didn't like how you were pouring gasoline into a fight without taking part in it. | ||
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You'd usually expect them to spam the thread at the same time and being completely undistinguishable in their efforts to drive town where they want to at any cost. | ||
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What do you think about shopping list, Xata? Did you already get to decide what he is or do you really want to delay any analysis til D2? On July 27 2014 01:40 Xatalos wrote: And yeah, if you think I'm scum, then you pretty much have to scumread marv as well. I don't think I could fool marv well enough as scum that he would 100% believe I'm town... Maybe next time if I focus all my effort into it. But I didn't even know Chopin was marv until later on this time. You know this post sounds kinda...weird? | ||
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I saved Cav when I was scum in one of my previous games and he was all happy and I was supertown for saving him, even though it ended with a mislynch nonetheless. You have to realize that in town vs town situation scum can do whatever they want and the more effort they put into such a situation, the better they look afterwards and good scum players like chopin know that. | ||
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I can see you being scum together, but I don't really feel like pushing for their lynch today cause HF apparently is healthy and back and if he stops hiding I'll reconsider based on the way he will try to solve the game. I usually manage to scumread HF when he's scum, though he will argue about that, and since he's been mostly complaining now I don't feel confident using that to read him. Anyway, I don't want this day ending with a settled wagon on Vayne and nobody discussing other options so we end up talking at night when scum decides who of town they should shoot. | ||
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##Vote ChairmanRay EZ On July 26 2014 15:33 Chairman Ray wrote: I'll explain to you why Vayne is mafia. Vayne rescinded his claim right when batsnacks claimed. Vayne's intention was never to square off in a 1v1. It was to force the vig to come out and then rescind the claim. His mafia partner will try to argue that this is not a scum move, so that Vayne gets off scot-free. The end result is that vig is forced to claim, and Vayne doesn't look any worse for it, which is exactly what is happening right now. The reason why mafia need to make this play is because if they shoot VTs at night, they lose. We have 4 roles alive and a vested VT. That's 5 potentially confirmed town. There are 4 VTs left. The only mislynch that can happen today is on a VT because a role would simply claim. With 3 VTs left, if mafia shoot 2 of them, we mass claim and then the game ends in a town victory. So the only thing mafia can do to survive until the next day is to reliably kill a role. That's why Vayne fakeclaimed and then rescinded. If Vayne was town, there would be no point to fakeclaiming. The only outcome of fakeclaiming is that the real role will counter claim you. We're not talking about a new player here; we're talking about Vayne, who is an expert in this field, fakeclaimed many times before, and knows exactly what was going to happen. This post is terrible cause he tries hard to find scum motives in Vayne's play without having read the whole situation in context. He states that Vayne's intention was to find out who the vig was without taking into account that bats claimed without even knowing that Vayne fakeclaimed. You wouldn't make such a statement beforehand without realizing that, unless you simply wanted to find some bullshit reason to get somebody lynched. | ||
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I'm not as sure that Vayne is scum for the fakeclaim, and yet here comes CR with the reasoning that supposedly hits the nail on the head, when I could have written that about anybody who fakeclaimed in this game. He just seems to sure of himself, and a reasoning more used to drop the vote onto somebody rather than being genuine. There's a bit of gut reasoning in here, but I simply don't like that post for its confidence based on finding scum motives behind vayne's play at any cost. Similarly to how HF plays scum and tries to find scum motives at any cost. | ||
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On July 27 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote: Vivax. How do you read Obiwan? I'm really not sure, it's tiring to see him always be so upset about people scumreading him cause that's simply part of the game, but I have to say that the way he was so unafraid of me and really stayed up to answer to my stuff, and listened to reason in order to put his vote elsewhere gives him some townie points. But as of now I don't have that much stuff else to townread him with, and that big post he made on request sounds so unconfident. I'm almost scared to put him into either category cause if I ever would call somebody lynchbait it would be him. Besides, he still posted more than CR, so. I think I'd rather lynch CR over him. | ||
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He agreed with mine and HF's cases during the night, didn't see him act up on it. I honestly have no idea wtf this guy is doing, but he still has more filter than CR. | ||
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If I were town in his spot and I saw CR making that "sound" case without taking into account the whole picture, just as I said too, then I would also scumread CR as the next step. CR is just opportunistic in this case, and besides he made that gigantic dumpster style case on Xata D1 but hardly fought for it, only complaining a little that we lynched navi instead. | ||
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On July 27 2014 22:44 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax How do you read Xatalos, Vivax? We need a vote count I read him as very active, and very chill when accused of doing something scummy. I checked his town games cause I feel he has a very laid back approach this game, and felt it was similar in those. Not comfortable lynching him today, that is certain. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:06 GlowingBear wrote: Nope. Vayne has tons of votes and people are shitting bricks to this game. It's one hour to the deadline and we are only 4 souls online in a game where there is, I don't know, 12 alive? So it's useless for me to just defend CR when he has no danger of being lynched. Then it's just as useless for you to vote for me without a reason. I'd much rather have you comment on the comparison I've made between CR and Vayne. | ||
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End of D1: Case on the same guy he pushed early in the day. Doesn't really seem to be especially doubting, or to look at multiple people. Small filter, tryhard appeareance. D1 there's just that tunnel on Xata, nothing else, and yet he doesn't seem particularly touched when people move to navi. Methinks we should lynch this guy. | ||
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You said something like, "it's very sheepable." Now imagine scum CR making a similar case. The scum motive behind Vayne's play is there, it totally sounds like that could be the scum motive, but you don't know and CR puts it as if it was the only possible motive. It just doesn't sit right with me, and this guy is just as inactive as Vayne, he just tries harder to look active. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:56 batsnacks wrote: What did you think about CRs case on xatalos day 1? Tell me if you think this case of mine comes from town or scum: On January 08 2013 00:51 Vivax wrote: Let's lynch debears! YES! YES!! YES!!! First off, something rather crucial I noticed while digging through debears' filter: + Show Spoiler + To which iamp replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote: ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ Open that link and actually go read that post debears was talking about. We see posts by Hiro and marv on the previous page, they talk about killing hopeless, monkey, supersoft. Marv says MZ and Palmar are trolly. Alright, so iamp actually referenced MZ in reply to Hiros' statement that "he" doesn't seem to be reading the thread. It's actually not evident at all who "He" is, in this part of the thread it's like impossible to know if the people talking are actually understanding each other. And yet, debears was immediately satisfied with iamps' answer, even though to me it looks that iamp himself misunderstood who they were talking about. And that gives me reason to believe that debears wasn't interested in pursuing iamp in the first place, he was interested in making pseudo-cases. Debears is less active than he was in Hero as town. About 4 pages filter difference in the same amount of time. His two scum games feel a bit different to his current play, but maybe he's just more experienced now, it's hard to tell since he played scum in two of his first three games. There are more points leading me to believe he is scum: 1. He speculated about the NK, placing his suspicion on iamp, just to say that it doesn't matter for him at the moment. + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2013 04:35 debears wrote: Hey guys I want to point something out about Iamp that I'm not liking right now 1) He claimed mason 2) The scum know that day vigs are unblockable 3) the scum for some reason felt the need to nk iamp, even though he's a mason who already used his power with palmar. All scum would have to do is wait til right after the nightpost to shoot him with an unblockable day vig instead of risking being blocked 4) We had 2 cops flip d1, including a role cop. the mafia were at a much lesser risk of being caught with their dayvigs with those flips 5) They didn't nk anyone else, yet had day vigs for 2 others. I'd say if Iamp makes it to lylo, you guys had better lynch the sucker. The mafia's choice to nk instead of dayvig would make no sense if true. However, I don't want to lynch Iamp because of the case that he could possibly be the mason and use his shot sometime Remember that time when he gave Iamp slack without actually looking properly at the talk behind it? Now he's interested in him again, based on scum actions. 2. Policy talk, plus following it would have made it pointless to post something + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 14:13 debears wrote: Should be pretty clear. Random lynching is more successful than actual trying to lynch a scum by scumreads d1. You can't diss random lynching 3. Wrong setup speculation: + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote: Btw guys something to note If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe 4. Non-committal posts when called out about shit-throwing: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:35 debears wrote: Honestly I'm not sure. I am still not sure. Your opening posts brought a very serious mood to a very trollish thread. It was way off the feel of the thread. But, it was off the feel of the thread in a pro town manner. At the same time, it would be an easy post for scum. Yet, it would be unnecessary for scum to give direction to the thread at that point. 2 points for town. 1 for scum. So, while I initially found it scummy, I now feel you much less likely to be scum 5. Pointless posts: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 09:03 debears wrote: Btw guys do we have a separate voting thread? If not, Could we get a votecount from our always pleasurable hosts? Spankyou hosts On January 07 2013 05:34 debears wrote: We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues With your claim: 7 total Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ) That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote: In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates 6. His case on Tunkeg + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 12:19 debears wrote: The Case of the Ages: A Statement Against the Dark Lord Tunkeg The Brown Brotherhood Cosigned: Chezinu the Brown and Debears of the Brown Alright guys, based on the quality of the thread day one: I have come to two conclusions The majority of the troll players are more likely town. The serious players who are disruptive are most likely scum. Also, note that I don't care if the troll players are scum right now. That means they have no say in our town discussions, which is a good thing. If they are town, they have a chance to come back and contribute. There is one person who is most definitely taking this game seriously, yet is probably the most disruptive person in the thread. That person is Tunkeg. There are a few things I want to point out about him: 1) His lack of actual reads 2) Bad reasoning on his posts with actual reads 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) 4) His difference in these from previous games Together, these add up to one simple thing: he doesn't actually care to figure out others in this game and promote a good town atmosphere 1) His lack of actual reads Here are some sample posts of his roundabout reads in game + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote: Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Obviously, he wants to stress how he isn't making a read to piss people off. Still no read. On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote: Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. A more serious tone. No actual read. But hey, he loves talking of previous games + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 22:31 Tunkeg wrote: I'll tell you one thing, I for damn sure wouldn't change my meta when rolling scum. I would do the exact same thing I allways do. So if this an arguement for me being town you will be surprised when I finally role scum. It is not, it is hard as fuck. It took half the scumteam tunneling me, spearheaded by probably the one player who got the most leverage on TL Mafia atm. And I didn't even bother defending. I have been mislynched twice. Once on day 2, which shouldn't have happend if I had bothered arguing. Once endgame, where I wouldn't have been mislynched had the player with the final vote cared to apply more logic than emotion to his vote. I am however allways under heavy fire day one. But in the end I never get lynched. The reason for this is that the reasons for wanting to lynch me is allways thin at best and based on poor logic. On January 03 2013 22:36 Tunkeg wrote: Hah, the only time I have lost against you is when I didn't bother taking you on. If anyone had bothered taking you on in that last game you'd been exposed. In fact I think I will just point out every time you say something illogical this game, just to keep you honest. And then maybe, just maybe if you happend to have rolled scum this game as well there will be someone daring enough to make a case on you. On January 04 2013 07:58 Tunkeg wrote: LOL, I don't get lynched every game, get your facts straight, I have gotten lycnhed twice in mafia, thats it. Also are you implying that the rest of us isn't reading the thread, which is wrong. The difference is that we are required to post reasons behind our votes, why the fuck should not the "good" players be required to do so? Yes, I think Foolishness is being incredible lazy for just posting two posts thus far, and only throws down a vote on Toad without any reasons. Yes, I think Palmar plays incredible wierd and stupid this game, if he is town it is just unnecessary. If you want to worship them, then be my guest, I won't, I want them to earn it every fucking game they play, just like Palmar did in our last game. There's no reason to keep bringing up your past games multiple times for shits and giggles if you are actually trying to figure this game out 2) Bad reasoning with actual reads He has 2 notable posts with reads in his whole 3 page filter. + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 00:17 Tunkeg wrote: So I am up to date on the thread. I think there are some obvious townies in the mix, and some players who I am more concerned about. I am still concerned about Palmar. His policy-tunneling of WBG is getting old. He look abit to careless for being town-Palmar. He have also seemed to be avoiding confrontation with marv (at least until Palmar now called marv a bitch, which is what I would expect from a town Palmar), when marv basicly is soft pushing Palmar for scum. Lately he is starting to push people around abit, and smacking them about, this I like. I would still say I get more scumvibes from Palmar than townvibes. Enough to want to lynch him day 1? HEEELLLZ NO! If Palmar is town, him being somewhat suspicious might save him night one. He will also then start racking up scumreads and push scummies, if this doesn't happend he is scum. debears I am more concerned about. Even though this is meta, and meta basicly from one game, the change of style is very apparent. In Hero Mini Mafia he was active and pushing town objectives from the get go. He, together with Palmar, got Adam lynched. This resulted in him getting NK night 1. This game all he have done is talk about random lynching and discussing set-up. Besides that he have lurked. I don't get this sudden change in play, from something that obviously worked great and was very pro-town in Hero, to something that is completely useless now. I am leaning scum on him for this. Clarity_nl is someone I am also concerned about. This is also meta, and a one game meta. In Hero it was clear as day he was town, he played very pro-town (Even though not allways being right). This game he isn't putting in the same effort. He want to lynch me, then no, then he puts out a read on Palmar, that gets corrected, and he admits it was wrong. Then he goes for a policy lynch on Jackal. It is not the pro-town play he did in Hero. He is suspicious. tube gives me the heebie-jeebies with his: I don't see any town motivation for doing it. He needs to get on and start playing so that we can read him. Foolishness is MIA, and should get in to thread ASAP. 1) I actually liked his reasoning on Palmar in this post. However, he soon after completely goes back on that On January 04 2013 00:45 Tunkeg wrote: You know what. Fuck it. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar.And now Palmar is being so careless and stupid that I want him gone as well. ##Vote: Palmar Mind you that that is only 30 minutes after the first post if I read correctly. 2) Look at what he says on me and clarity 1. His suspicions are based on meta 2. His suspicions are based on a half day of comparison to meta 3. He only takes meta from one game 3) Here, let me throw in the obvious easy lynch candidate who will create no controversy in lynch when we can vig shot him This is not townie analysis at all. So half hearted and faked it makes my scum-dar ring loud + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 00:19 Tunkeg wrote: This is a great post from you. I was about to write you up as suspicious for not really contributing, when going through your filter. This is the kind of thining I expect from town-Adam. What is the reasoning for making this post as town? This makes no sense. 1) It's a town read 2) It's a town read based on one post 3) It comes halfway into day 1 There is no reasoning for a townie to do this at all. 3) His insulting attitude and shitfests with people who he thinks are town (and pretty much everyone in the game) Look in his filter for most of these. Here are a couple Playing thread cop is fucking stupid for a townie. Especially when you get in 1 on 1 fights with people and you aren't actually refining reads out of them. Scummy as shit. I want to add in that the above three main points are the only thing in Tunkeg's filter. He has no content. 4) His difference in these from previous games Let me show you a couple of his posts in Hero Mini. What do they show? Him trying to figure shit out and give reads + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote: So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts: Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this. I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips. I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or? On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote: So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized. Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%. Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum. Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised. thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town. wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote: generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful. Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point) Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either. Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive. Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs... When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum. jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote: I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general. It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak. Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep. The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting. ##Vote Adam PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy. Granted, the second was a martyr post. It still shows how he is capable of making reads. Another point, when he was attacking someone in Hero for bullshit, he thought they were scum, as shown by his chats with Vivax + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 06:29 Tunkeg wrote: I never said that Thrawn himself said it was a joke. I said it was a joke, meaning I think it was a joke. So try finding the lines yourself before you ask others to do the same... On December 11 2012 08:04 Tunkeg wrote: Are you not reading my posts at all? Just throwing out some random questions, I wrote in my first post what I found scummy about them, and I elaborated in my reply to you. I made my suspicioun on Djordref before Z-Boson's post, why would I need to lend any arguements from Z-Boson? On December 11 2012 08:13 Tunkeg wrote: I'd vote you over both of them, and jay over Djor if I had to vote now. But in general I think there is to little information thus far to put down any votes. and his arguments with WBG + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 17:18 Tunkeg wrote: So you want me to do dumb things is that what you are saying. I know you treat this game like a schooldebate, where winning the arguement is more important than actually being right. And I know you like to twist and turn stuff to make your arguements look good. But that don't fly with me, stick to facts (like: Tunkeg is not playing exactly like he did in this and this game), don't try to strengthen your arguements with lies (Like you now saying you think I was scumhunting in those games, when you clearly stated how useless it was back then). If you stick with what is true you should be able to lynch me if I were scum. If you start presenting lies and twisting words you might get me lynched even though I am town. On December 11 2012 17:36 Tunkeg wrote: I am not treating you like town. I am saying you are capable of getting me lynched regardless of allignment. And imo it is your "debatish" attitude towards the game that have given you a reputation for being a strong scumplayer. Your way of misrepresenting facts and winning arguements when being wrong helps you as scum, but is not that great when you are town. Either way you are wrong here, I am town, so you are either scum deliberatly trying to misrepresent the facts, or town overeager to win the arguement and not seeing the truth. On December 12 2012 16:02 Tunkeg wrote: Boom! That was a great lynch! Now WBG is 100% scum. Look how hard he was pushing for me after Adam got in trouble. Look how he kept including Adam as his 2nd read, while not ever pointing out why he thought he was scummy. He did this because Adam was very obv scummy, and wbg not mentioning adam as scummy would look really bad for him. Also look at adams read post how hard he tried to distance himself from wbg, "agreeing" with my read on him. Also look at how wbg have presented his arguements (word twisting and misrepresenting facts) and his silly "80% Palmar is scum". WBG must be lynched day 2. Palmar got to be protected if we got a jailkeeper. Also if we got a cop look into someone trying to push my case, voting me and/or push/vote some other case after Adam got mentioned in Palmars video. Notice the difference in how he argues with people he finds scummy and not just randoms or people who he think is town? In the three people he found suspicious (Palmar, me, Clarity), he hasn't made any kind of argument. He's avoided talking to us. Also, notice how more outright he is with reads and calling people scum compared to this game? Also, looking at his other games in his profile, I would say he is definitely more open to giving reads and more compliant with others overall. Debears was in Hero Mini Mafia, where Tunkeg got mislynched, I actually felt he was very similar to this game, but debears pointed out posts in the Hero game without pointing out the posts in this game to show that difference he speaks about in his case. To be honest, it's enough for me that he went after Tunkeg. Tunkeg is an easy case to push, a perfect target for mislynches, and debears didn't bring his arguments up in an unbiased way when he should know Tunkeg pretty well. Debears also pointed out Tunkegs lack of reads, while there are dozens of people here withholding their reads when asked for them. Uh-uh, bad debby. And debears himself said he would withhold his reads, allegedly to not let scum know he'd be talking about them. But using that as a scum point in his Tunkeg-shitcase is apparently fine. 7. Sheeps people on CC when town sentiment switches towards him, among them iamp, who he found suspicious before and after he wrote this: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 17:13 debears wrote: Well, I am also down to lynch CC. Iamp and Palmar are trustworthy thus far + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2013 04:09 debears wrote: Iamp Trolling =/= not forming reads. You are being silly. Also, I would say I have had an easy time interpreting what Chez is saying CC, based on d1, is a good candidate Foolish - idk. Does he normally go lurky useless as scum? Here he says CC is a good candidate based on d1, let's remember: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote: Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Let's lynch debears! TOMORROW!!!! (Another little reminder: He hasn't been interested in Promethelax the slightest although he's the guy who replaced Tunkeg) | ||
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Yet at the end of a 200 pages game, I only had like 6 pages of filter, and nobody imagined me being scum (not knowing my town meta well). | ||
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He didn't fight anyone to get his only super-scumread lynched. And now he doesn't fight anyone to get Vayne lynched, he only found the perfect scum motive behind his play and doesn't even doubt a bit that maybe Vayne actually had some stupid townie plan, that in the end is just the same stupid , maybe townie maybe scum plan marv had at the end of N1. | ||
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On July 25 2014 02:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm dying to see the rebuttals on these cases. They both look pretty good. | ||
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Tell me who you think is more likely scum between Vayne and CR, you won't take long to read three pages of filter. | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:32 Xatalos wrote: I mean the way he comes at me with a huge fluff case on D1 when the wagon on me is growing and again makes a big post finding reasons for VA to be scum when VA is gathering momentum D2. This sums it up. | ||
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On July 28 2014 00:32 batsnacks wrote: I can feel it, it's day 1 all over again. Everything was fine then 30 minutes before deadline everyone decides they can't handle it and loses their minds. I know, I'm still double questioning myself in fear that I will save a scummer from a lynch and thus am offering my sword in vassalage to Koshi. Only question remains if Koshi has the balls to think he's the most right of all and accept my sword. Really, though, CR reminds me a bit of myself from LVIII, but koshi is sure he's busy x hours a day or something as either alignment. | ||
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Damdred, you with me please, for the pandas. ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority And if he flips town and CR is scum I'll have massive swag anyway. | ||
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On July 27 2014 00:58 VayneAuthority wrote: hmm the best reason I can find for why I am town is if you read the early parts of rayn's filter. he is really mad people are scumreading me with no info and says im a good mislynch. possibly trying to buddy up and going off heuristic that these people are dumb because he knows I am town. If you dont believe my explanation or this makes me town then i dunno guess its over. | ||
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##Vote Chairman Ray Sorry I don't have the nerves to sheep Koshi, after Xata reminded me of the synopsis of why we should lynch CR. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:15 Koshi wrote: Day 2 Votecount VayneAuthority (5) - batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Xatalos, Koshi, ObiWanShinobi (1) - Chopin Liszt (0) - Xatalos (0) - Chairman Ray (2) - VayneAuthority, Vivax , Xata Vivax (2) - VayneAuthority is set to be lynched. Time remaining: While playing hs I made this. Dnu if there are mistakes. Started at the SloOsh votecount. | ||
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On July 27 2014 23:15 Koshi wrote: Day 2 Votecount VayneAuthority (5) - batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Koshi, ObiWanShinobi (1) - Chopin Liszt (0) - Xatalos (0) - Chairman Ray (4) - VayneAuthority, Vivax , Xata, GlowingBear Vivax (2) - VayneAuthority is set to be lynched. Time remaining: While playing hs I made this. Dnu if there are mistakes. Started at the SloOsh votecount. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The only reason I was even around at deadline was because Vivax basically taunted me into showing up. I was so sure you guys were going to lynch VA. Told you I'm a drill sergeant. You won't have to scrub toilets now, good job! | ||
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Mostly cause it didn't sit right with me how marv jumped in to defend Koshi at the end of the night. Happy end I guess. | ||
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I just wonder wtf Palmar was doing this game, does he just try to look blue as vanilla or what does he want to achieve with that under the radar play. | ||
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On July 28 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote: Completely true. Xatalos I was so into lunching you because you looked so passive. That "he is town or he is scum" was like the worst to me lol. I have to admit I have messed up a bit after n1 Yeah I thought that too then looked at one of the town games he linked and realized that's just how he plays town. | ||
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Vivax
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You are fired, you let people die, no irish pub for you. | ||
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Vivax
21952 Posts
Simply send in the name of your favourite townie. + Show Spoiler + me | ||
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Vivax
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Never felt so scared. | ||
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