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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 24 2014 15:03 GMT
#1421
almost home, brb. still more than 40mins right? need to pick up some food first as well

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:04 GMT
#1422
On July 24 2014 23:59 Koshi wrote:
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On July 24 2014 23:57 Vivax wrote:
The best thing is that in all of this Koshi has no real case behind him to use against me.

He's literally just trying to lynch me by repeating the same thing over and over and over.

So what is your case against me?

You keep saying I am +70% scum. You haven't even gone so high on ANYBODY ELSE THIS GAME

Yet you don't push me.

At all.


On July 23 2014 20:39 Vivax wrote:
It's cool that your opinion differs Koshi but I don't see why you spend so much talking about townreads and mechanics and the terrible idea of vets claiming when you don't have an own scumread to push behind it that warrants you taking the wind out of other peoples sails to push your own preference.


On July 23 2014 20:51 Vivax wrote:
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On July 23 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:44 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi: Navillus has posted a ton of opinions, but don't you think they're pretty inconclusive and weak? Granted it's D1, but some of his posts feel like... "It could be X, but it could be Y" leaving his options as open as possible.

What the fuck do you expect that early? At least he is doing something.

In how many games is scum giving their opinion on literally everybody and anything that happens in the game as only one in the thread?


Palmar / Vivax are probably scum this game.


This is a very hyperbole statement about navi and displays you're not critically reading his posts, I am sure you can back up that he's doing exactly that with quotes if you are indeed right.


On July 23 2014 21:27 Vivax wrote:
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On July 23 2014 21:22 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:20 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Yes, as scum I really like going hard against Vivax/Palmar to gain cred by Navillus.

Good thinking.


When did you decide to scumread me?

When I voted you.


And the reason is that I'm not doing anything while navi is doing something?
In that case, why not vote me earlier?


On July 23 2014 21:46 Vivax wrote:
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On July 23 2014 21:44 Koshi wrote:
On July 23 2014 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Koshi runs away with the tail between his legs.

This proves that you didn't need the answer to that question.

Which isn't a surprise because it was a completely stupid question.


It's not, I'm making inquiries about your scumread on me. You dropped that vote when I posted something about you, then said it was cause I didn't do anything while navi was doing something. I derped around when I sheeped Palmar's case, if derping around is the reason for your scumread on me, then it should have happened at that point.


Reasons include these + the general way you've been playing and not genuinely tried to figure out my alignment.
I have to assume it's a purely malicious scum push at this point.
Add to that the overraction to GB you didn't really try to draw conclusions from.

Instances where I encourage people to look at you for specific reasons, which is to be considered a "push" (as opposed to preaching "lynch this guy please") are frequent in my filter.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 15:04 GMT
#1423
He also isn't posting anything while this argument about xat goes down so i want to see if he unlurks as well.

##unvote

##vote navillus
I come in for the scraps
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 24 2014 15:05 GMT
#1424
On July 25 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:
batsnacks, don't you have anything else to say about this whole event other than your vote..?


Yeah but I'm phone posting so I doubt anyone will ever hear it unfortunately.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:05 GMT
#1425
I actually hoped I could catch a glimpse on Palmar's case, don't think I'll vote navi on a whim now.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 15:05 GMT
#1426
I'll vote Navillus if it saves Xatalos. We should be lynching Obiwan though.
Bach to the basics.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:07 GMT
#1427
And how do we convince the cattle.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 15:07 GMT
#1428
whoever we do lynch we cant get too optimistic considering the setup. lynching a mafia day 1 here would basically end the game, its not plausible lol. should be a lot easier day 2
I come in for the scraps
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:08 GMT
#1429
That he voted me and then said my posts looked okay and now leaves my vote there to be dead weight should be a good argument.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:08 GMT
#1430
Vayne and kush, what will it take for you to vote Obi.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 24 2014 15:09 GMT
#1431
On July 25 2014 00:05 batsnacks wrote:
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On July 25 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote:
batsnacks, don't you have anything else to say about this whole event other than your vote..?


Yeah but I'm phone posting so I doubt anyone will ever hear it unfortunately.


fuck that. do you think im drubnk or phone posting

wuss
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 24 2014 15:10 GMT
#1432
i won't vote for obi. he has the tendency to look sorta scummy as town, but i think he is town.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 15:10 GMT
#1433
On July 25 2014 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Vayne and kush, what will it take for you to vote Obi.


nothing he said stuck out to me from reading the thread, so you would just have to give a brief explanation.

only thing i noticed is that he is much more subdued this game then in that ritoky game where he was town
I come in for the scraps
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
July 24 2014 15:10 GMT
#1434
On July 25 2014 00:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i won't vote for obi. he has the tendency to look sorta scummy as town, but i think he is town.


He also especially has the tendency to look scummy as scum, so I feel your lynchbait argument is out of place here.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 15:10 GMT
#1435
On July 25 2014 00:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Vayne and kush, what will it take for you to vote Obi.


nothing he said stuck out to me from reading the thread, so you would just have to give a brief explanation.

only thing i noticed is that he is much more subdued this game then in that ritoky game where he was town

bingo.......
Bach to the basics.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 15:11 GMT
#1436
On July 24 2014 16:38 slOosh wrote:
Day 1 Votecount

Xatalos (6) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH, raynpelikoneet, Navillus, Koshi
Navillus (2) - kushm4sta, VayneAuthority
Damdred (1) - Vivax
ObiWanShinobi (3) - Teermursu, Chopin Liszt, Xatalos
VayneAuthority (1) - Palmar
Vivax (2) - ObiWanShinobi, batsnacks
Chopin Liszt (1) - Damdred
Koshi (1) - GlowingBear


I think this is roughly accurate
Bach to the basics.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 24 2014 15:11 GMT
#1437
didn't take glowing off Xatalos
Bach to the basics.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 24 2014 15:12 GMT
#1438
On July 24 2014 07:29 Navillus wrote:
Obi looks terrible to me. My original post stands that he wasn't contributing and just sheeped a vote without much new justification. Since then he has posted fluff, defended himself if attacks on him came up, chatted a bit with rayne, and asked vivax one question. His one read seems to be "kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi." So "defending himself/bandwagon/one of the two people on opposite sides of the biggest argument at the time" Nothing particularly original or scumhunty coming out of that. For all that I think Obi would be an excellent lynch right now.

But I'm in a bit of a pickle because I also really think xata looks super-scum. Look at his filter. So far he's gone back and discussed his list post and the surrounding conversation a bit, which is fine but there was much more recent stuff to discuss that he didn't talk about. He also hasn't pushed a read at all except to sheep. Looking at the votes on me palmar started it then was followed by in no particular order chopin, vivax, xatalos, and rayne. Right now vivax and rayne look fine to me, I haven't read through chopin's stuff yet, but of those xata definitely comes off the worse. He votes me, switches of me, then switches back all without much discussion of why or how much he thinks I'm scummy. He soft defends a number of people without making any aggressive reads, here's an example:

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On July 24 2014 01:07 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit.


I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare.

no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases.

damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer.

Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck.

Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck.

Teemu called you scummy for who knows why.

Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up.


I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all.

Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group.

Exactly who and why?


Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable.

Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive.

Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD.

ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though.


Here he talks about "potential scum" and how between two people they are "kind of weird," "could be scum among these two," but "ObiWan felt somewhat townish" these are some of the weakest statements you can make. Later he seems to kind of get confident in GB being scum:
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On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.

Only to almost instantly go back on it and totally nullify his read:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's lynch all the people who said VA is Xatalos' scumread?
jjust because that was so bad.

Palmar you in?


LOL

Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum.


There's more but even this shows how uncommiting xata is. I'd be happy to lynch obi and happy to lynch him. ##Vote: Xatalos


this case on xatalos loooks liek a scum case to me. he's just describing what xaatalos is doing, without any deeper thought into why it would make him scum.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 24 2014 15:12 GMT
#1439
Ouch. I can't believe rayn just left his vote on me despite not even reading me as scum :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 24 2014 15:13 GMT
#1440
I thinkk obi is more subdued this game because he's not following it that close. he is either busy, has less interest, or the length of the thread is making it harder for him, or a combination
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
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