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he says 4 things in that post, all of it is timid, indecisive and doesn't really show any kind of a real stance he looks like he's pushing. It's all over the place which makes it less likely that any of the 4 points made in the post actually get responded to or followed up on. If someone is truly interested in something, they tend to focus on that, and that alone. Navillus is pretending to be interested in a bunch of things.
The request of Teemursu is pointless, and a tone read tells me that such a request would be put last in a post by a townie, because if he has an actual point, it'd be the first thing in the post.
He sort of calls my post a "problem post" without taking any stance on it. Contrast it with ObiWan's decisive "If Palmar doesn't do anything, we lynch him". He then immediately stops talking about it and goes for some random request of a vote explanation, without providing any kind of expectation for that explanation or reasoning why he needs it.
Then he asks two random players about three other random players without saying anything about it himself.
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On July 23 2014 16:56 HaruRH wrote:
Its alright cava im here to whisper all kinds of sweet nothingness into your tender ear
*sugar*
hold me bby
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On July 23 2014 17:05 Palmar wrote:
he says 4 things in that post, all of it is timid, indecisive and doesn't really show any kind of a real stance he looks like he's pushing. It's all over the place which makes it less likely that any of the 4 points made in the post actually get responded to or followed up on. If someone is truly interested in something, they tend to focus on that, and that alone. Navillus is pretending to be interested in a bunch of things.
The request of Teemursu is pointless, and a tone read tells me that such a request would be put last in a post by a townie, because if he has an actual point, it'd be the first thing in the post.
He sort of calls my post a "problem post" without taking any stance on it. Contrast it with ObiWan's decisive "If Palmar doesn't do anything, we lynch him". He then immediately stops talking about it and goes for some random request of a vote explanation, without providing any kind of expectation for that explanation or reasoning why he needs it.
Then he asks two random players about three other random players without saying anything about it himself.
Sounds good, except Teem was the one who posted that on you, not me.
I'm heading off to bed, so I'll decide whether I want to sheep this or not in the morning.
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oh shit yeah it was, he voted you in the same post.
But who cares, my point stands. He's a wuss, other people aren't.
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Town hard-on on Palmar. I was thinking of the same thing but I wanted to hear response fromn Navillus before pressuring him though
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I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town.
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On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town.
What makes you think he wasn't serious about it?
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On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it?
Did you read it? That's why.
Xatalos isn't retarded you know.
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So scum has a double vigi, gf and Janitor most likely. Maybe the gf can also do RB.
Will be fun.
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On July 23 2014 12:36 Navillus wrote:
Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another.
What does this say?
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On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it? Did you read it? That's why. Xatalos isn't retarded you know.
I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game.
To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc?
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On July 23 2014 17:43 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it? Did you read it? That's why. Xatalos isn't retarded you know. I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game. To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc?
I am just going to call all those people jubjubs.
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On July 23 2014 17:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it? Did you read it? That's why. Xatalos isn't retarded you know. I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game. To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc? I am just going to call all those people jubjubs.
So you're not interested in finding out people's alignment based on how they're pushing on someone who you think is town?
Palmar, what do you think of damdrad? I feel like he's making similar mafia posts.
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No idea as I havent read the thread but I'd be careful lynching damdred. He was a massive lynchbait last game he played. Check out his storm mafia filter. If you still think he's mafia I'll find time to read him.
However fir now we have mafia in navillus so please apply your votes accordingly.
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Sheeping Palmar for the time being.
##Vote navillus
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Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case
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He should join the train of fun.
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Teem if If you're asking me what that post said about chopin I'm saying I want extra content out of the hydra because it's going to be a bitch to try to mix reads of two people and I will push their lynch if them being a hydra prevents me from getting a clear read on them.
Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active.
Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through.
+ Show Spoiler [Weird Defenses] +On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? ^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff. wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? ^this also seems weirdly defensive to me,
Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum.
So ##Vote: kushm4sta
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On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town.
What are the two posts you are referring to?
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Kush is town cause he was first to post. Sorry bro try again.
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