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On July 02 2014 06:08 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 06:04 Vivax wrote:On July 02 2014 06:02 ExO_ wrote:On July 02 2014 05:59 Vivax wrote:
Besides mderg, your story is this:
You say Cav shouldn't be lynched cause claim. You vote sinani, Exo votes sinani, you see Exo voting him and try to switch to Cava.
This just doesn't make sense to an outsider and if you're town I hope you understand why. it makes perfect sense as town. a town on day 1 has zero information, and if you think your reads as town are 100% perfect on day 1 you are either stupid or overconfident. He saw last second votes and panicked. mafia wouldnt panic Why should he have panicked if you voted for the guy he thought should be lynched?????? Your confidence into him being town is what's scummy. His panic was because I voted last second with hardly an explanation. And somebody else did too. it looked like a last second mafia votes. thats why the switch at the last second. there was no time to wait for explanations.
And now we know it was totally a last second mafia vote son
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I think tomorrow I'll be pushing for either Cava or Poofter who were both on Koshi's list
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Anyway, I wanted to lynch scum!cava, but you guys didn't let me .
To be fair I felt strongly that way after his comeback but mderg's explanations had so many holes that I didn't feel like switching in the end.
There are at least 2 other townies on his wagon besides me and I suppose you can't really get rid of the others' belief that you're scum when the suspicious stuff you do piles up.
That's why I'm more wary of people defending him cause it's easier to spot town motives when you know a dude is town.
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On July 02 2014 06:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 06:16 Vivax wrote:
I think tomorrow I'll be pushing for either Cava or Poofter who were both on Koshi's list you are scum. koshi was a vanilla town. VT reads can be wrong. as mafia you're trying to look good by pushing for people on a confirmed towns list. But there is stroner evidence than simple reads, and thats reads from votes. D1 reads shouldn't trump everything we've seen since then
I am currently trying to figure out where your discussion focus lies in this game. You posted this list earlier:
1) ObviousOne
4) kushm4sta
5) Tehpoofter
9) Rainbows
11) Vivax
12) IAmRobik
13) HaruRH
*(in the course of investigating this list, I realized an incentive: mderg could be switching as mafia to try to kill the claimed cop, though I think it's highly unlikely.)
Over the course of the lynch decision taking place however you strongly focused on either pushing me and haru or defending mderg and what I find lacking in here is your interest into the other guys you didn't feel like clearing yet.
Simply put, you lack a natural portion of doubt and what I also find lacking is analysis of these people. And that it's lacking is concerning especially now. If I take me and Robik as example, we didn't only get stuck on either haru or mderg but also considered lynching Cava (in Robik's case) or changing the read on Haru (in my case).
I am willing to consider the possibility that you are town, but first you have to explain to me how you read people in the list you haven't adressed or analyzed yet.
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i'm especially interested to hear you get a conclusion on TehPoofter cause among the guys playing this game, he's the closest I would define as being something of a ghost.
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Meh I'm starting to think Exo is town, that sense of righteousness around his posts and his repeated asking for me to be vigged is just odd if he's scum. He shouldn't really have such an incentive to post at night but on the other hand maybe HF is threatening to modkill his ass.
Anyway if there's a cop out there who knows that Cav is mafia, tomorrow would be a good time to counterclaim him.
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On July 03 2014 06:29 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 06:18 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 03 2014 06:08 ObviousOne wrote:
##vote HaruRH
maybe today? Same questions I asked Exo who is he with and why is he the best of those to lynch today? idk yet im asking myself right now, would kush try to clear robik in order to have someone to shoot? probably not im asking myself right now, would vivax say he was thinking about medic protection and then not be a major part of discussion for most of the day? sounds possible exo talking a lot of sense to me, i'm taking him out of my POE scum list so it's down to haru/vivax and then someone out of poof/cav in my book, either of the first two is fine with me if people prefer vivax today
Why was I never aware of you scumreading me?
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Oh right cause you never did.
Scum spotted.
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You only presented some half assed shit on D2 about my activity which at this point is entirely unwarranted and would be hypocritical for you to pursue given your absence at deadline.
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But it sure is practical to scumread me if Exo is a misguided townie.
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This bit by rainbows is actually very good and takes me back again from the gut town feeling I have getting from Exo's latest posts for the way he has been pushing me during the night.
Me / Robik / Vivax + others who are really speculative on the issue of cav being cop, and ExO / TP who seem to accept it quickly. The issue of whether Cav is actually the cop or not is irrelevant, the issue arises when people are reacting differently to the claim. Most of us appear speculative of the issue, but these two seem to believe it for... what reason I can't tell. Mafia, regardless of Cav's actual alignment, have everything to gain by 'trusting' Cav. If he flips town, they were correct and look better. If he is mafia, then they are protecting their buddy.
Mafia somewhere between Exo/TP/OO/Cav
Since we didn't get a counterclaim yet I would be willing to start accepting Cav's counterclaim at this stage even though that means he's being heavily influenced by mafia cause he's apparently blind to the stuff me, rainbows and 2 other flipped townies see. He probably just gets a raging boner for anyone defending him if he's town, he also got a boner from me doing it when I was mafia in another game.
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On July 03 2014 06:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Are you even trying to hide the pretense that you're looking for almost any reason to try to lynch me at this point?
Have you played with the thought that mafia is more likely to believe your claim, as 2 dead townies who didn't are the sample size for that reaction? If you believe rainbows is town you can add another one on top.
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There's one particular thing in OO's filter that strikes me as well and that he was pushing Cav as scumread during D1 apparently, but after the claim he didn't chime in about it at all. I struggle to find anything related to his view on Cav's cop claim at all which is weird if he scumread him previously.
D2 he was just permanently stuck on Haru.
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On July 03 2014 06:51 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 06:50 Vivax wrote:On July 03 2014 06:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Are you even trying to hide the pretense that you're looking for almost any reason to try to lynch me at this point? Have you played with the thought that mafia is more likely to believe your claim, as 2 dead townies who didn't are the sample size for that reaction? If you believe rainbows is town you can add another one on top. Huh?
Both Koshi and Robik were reluctant to accept your claim, both are now confirmed town. Rainbows looks townie (do you disagree on this?), and I am town. If you are indeed a town cop, don't you find it odd that there were people willing to accept it at face value rather early despite your so far scummy play?
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Cause people accepting your claim early or skipping over it view the game with a different frame.
And I am indeed hoping that you are town and able to acknowledge this, which is the point about me talking to you right now.
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On July 03 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 06:54 Vivax wrote:On July 03 2014 06:51 Cavalinho wrote:On July 03 2014 06:50 Vivax wrote:On July 03 2014 06:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Are you even trying to hide the pretense that you're looking for almost any reason to try to lynch me at this point? Have you played with the thought that mafia is more likely to believe your claim, as 2 dead townies who didn't are the sample size for that reaction? If you believe rainbows is town you can add another one on top. Huh? Both Koshi and Robik were reluctant to accept your claim, both are now confirmed town. Rainbows looks townie (do you disagree on this?), and I am town. If you are indeed a town cop, don't you find it odd that there were people willing to accept it at face value rather early despite your so far scummy play? Robik wasn't just reluctant he straight up said "Cav isn't the cop" he went so far as to CC him as cop during the resolution period.
That was reaction fishing, which is obvious in retrospect.
It's funny you believed it though cause he called the second check even before the night ended so he couldn't have it.
At the time I was thinking to myself that it could be a reaction coming from you knowing that Cav is mafia, and overshooting before even thinking about whether it was true.
Maybe that version of events is true, which is why now I'm talking to Cav to see if he is willing to ignore the evidence that townies so far seemed to doubt his claim more than some other individuals.
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And by the way it would be nice if you didn't skip over all the stuff I wrote about OO cause I don't think it's worth of being ignored.
I delivered 2 points about him I find scummy as a start so get to work if you want to solve this game.
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On July 03 2014 06:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I can kind of see it...Maybe.
I just don't understand why you would go through the trouble of making me look bad all game, just to up and do a 360 and townread me for some reason.
Is there something I missed?
Yes, that if you were mafia and the real cop was out there without counterclaiming you to get a few checks off, then your claim could only be trusted after some time had passed.
This means for me that now I have to at least assume you are a real cop, but I'm also trying to get you to view the game from my perspective and see if you can get behind it, cause I want to see how and if you change your mind when I present you with it.
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On July 03 2014 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
vivax is going to try his best to instill doubt. Do not let him. If you are town vote HarURH (since we seem to be leaning harurh over vivax).
No guess for a third scum? Why so disinterested into the other stuff that is being presented, deadline is far away so I see little point in pushing it aggressively with stupid motivational appeals like you are doing.
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