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GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one.
I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis:
On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules.
RIP Solar424 2014-2014.
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Just for reference I'm Banks aka tehpoofter I know Teemu, Nydus, Tamburini (who is a girl) from video mafia. I play on these forums and kinda encouraged the first two to start playing here as well Tamburini came on his own accord and I expect him to lurk himself into an early grave. I am still fairly new to forum mafia but have several games under my belt as both alignments and as several roles. If you're feeling extra villagery you can look up my previous games I've played. (was in one with Haru and Cats that is on going as well)
I need to catch up on the thread while I'm working today. I'm currently on page 21. I'll likely be updating on things that have transpired. I saw who died and was lynched. (I knew mystermeat from video mafia too) I like to be active and probably will have the longest filter in the game by the end of the day.
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On June 25 2014 05:41 Teemursu wrote:
Hey, GlowingBear, I read your long post and saw that you read Epishade as scummy. Could you read him a little bit? I'm curious about him and kind of skimming through his filter.
Hey Teemu or anyone that is currently around can you give me the 411 on whats been going on in the game aside from you guys lynching a VT day one.
This is for anyone chat/talk with me. I like to read and talk.
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On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote:
Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again.
This post is wolfy.
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On June 25 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote:
Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again. This post is wolfy.
JK You and every single person in the village better be participating its going to be a sad day if all the talk is me talking to me. I'll do it and still find the wolves but I'm going to have less fun.
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On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know!
You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION)
Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
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On June 25 2014 06:08 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:06 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote:
Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again. This post is wolfy. JK You and every single person in the village better be participating its going to be a sad day if all the talk is me talking to me. I'll do it and still find the wolves but I'm going to have less fun. Finally it wont be me and teemu talking to each other during this time. Ask any questions you want. But please don't ask me questions like 'summarise d1 for me' etc such open ended questions.
DO THIS:
On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
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afk 10 minutes boss wants me to work at work... the audacity!
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On June 25 2014 06:18 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, what is your read on Jabber?
I feel like I'm the only one town reading him.
I have no reads yet. Well except for the fact of who I checked if I was seer last night. I am trying to read up atm though.
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On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter
Good distancing.
Also so you both agree meatpudding is a wolf you guys voting him I assume?
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On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Fuck bb codes
colors make the world pretty.
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On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general
Don't make this one post your only contribution of the day thats hella wolfy. And I'm actually pretty easy to read. Just look at my past games and how they play out from both alignments. No hints though. Marv knows sadly but hes the only one.
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On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
If you don't like reading posts you're in the wrong place. That would be like playing video mafia without anyone talking. This is wolfy teemu, don't be lazy.
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On June 25 2014 06:47 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:37 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 06:28 Teemursu wrote:
Nydus, how about instead you talk with me, Haru and Banks about people and reads? I said I'd give a writeup in a couple of hours... I'm just reading through everything right now and gathering my thoughts. A little hostile Teemu? If you want to read it that way. I'd just rather prefer having discussions with people instead of having to reading a couple of walls of posts and spend too much effort in analyzing them. Just like in video mafia, y'know?  EDIT: having to read*
Walls of posts remind me of formal defenses.
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On June 25 2014 06:49 Teemursu wrote:
Woops, I accidentally pressed edit instead of quote. I'm sorry. :S
Should probably go to bed.
ruh roh!!! Slam gunna be mad 
I'm done with work for a moment so going to do some reading. I might be quoting stuff thats well out of date but I don't want to make one long wall of text so if you see something and go "jesus that was days ago' just ignore it its for my own notes.
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On June 25 2014 06:55 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, could you imagine if video mafia's structure would be something like having one formal per person, and then people creating bandwagons based on those formals?
No discussion between formals. Limited questions/pressure on people.
I'm all down for some walls of posts, but I don't want those to be the only content people will provide.
Oh it would be awful. Thats why walls of posts and nothing is noramlly wolfy makes you look like you're doing something without doing it.
This post is formatted so weird but I liked the tone I'll be making sure you keep up what you describe in the 1st and 2nd spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't. 
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis.
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On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts.
Hobbitus this is the time to be encouraged!!! WE're behind but we have info we have a vote analysis to be done who went where and when. We also have a night kill whose reads can be analyzed why he was killed. So much possible speculation and raw data!! Plus I'm here with a fresh set of eyes and the knowledge of deaths to read everything knowing where the day went... makes things a bit easier to see I think.
As for now Hobbitus cna you do what Teemu/Haru did quickly:
On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
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On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips?
Feels like you're buddying a village as a wolf teemu.
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On June 25 2014 07:11 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:08 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? Feels like you're buddying a village as a wolf teemu. I'm just too lazy to read his filter right now. 
I'm reading the whole thread but you can talk I like that part. Hobbit should answer me and you.
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On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write.
"Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open.
(Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH)
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##Vote:NydusHerMain
I haven't finished reading but I looked through the filters and your filter is barely 2 pages and I already have that much content and you had a day start. You should be way more active than this. Step up today.
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On June 25 2014 07:26 Solar424 wrote:
Hey. Sorry for being so inactive. I'll try to be more active from here on out.
On June 25 2014 04:27 Alakaslam wrote:
I just realized I never addressed the replacing & stuff.
There may be a grace period of "if they came back at all"
Filtering now.
UPDATE** BlondeMocha has been modkilled.
Mtamburini will replace Scott31337
And Tehpoofter for Solar424
Effective when they come and post. I will be sending them their roles.
3 "modkills". Hijole
You have been replaced for inactivity. Check your PMs
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On June 25 2014 07:31 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote:NydusHerMain
I haven't finished reading but I looked through the filters and your filter is barely 2 pages and I already have that much content and you had a day start. You should be way more active than this. Step up today.
What did you think of Jabber's read on Scott and Nydus supporting it?
Can you quote it I'm not there yet still in the mid 20s page wise I think. Had to do some work.
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On June 25 2014 07:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:31 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote:NydusHerMain
I haven't finished reading but I looked through the filters and your filter is barely 2 pages and I already have that much content and you had a day start. You should be way more active than this. Step up today.
What did you think of Jabber's read on Scott and Nydus supporting it? Can you quote it I'm not there yet still in the mid 20s page wise I think. Had to do some work. I'll find it. I thought you already went past it.
Maybe I started on page 20 today as I had read up to that point casually the other day at work so if it was before then I likely forgot it.
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On June 25 2014 07:38 Teemursu wrote:Here's the post. The read wasn't necessarily his original, but it was a small thing I read Nydus as town for.
Why is that townie? Did he case King of Cats before the vote? bleh... I feel so out of the loop cause it might be explained later. I just hate that nydus is a good player I know and he has 2 pages of filter thats what my scum games on forums look like because you're always so worried and careful to post as scum.
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Have you reads evolved at all from this post? I just really want to see in a clear format where everyone is at even if things aren't definite. I made a simple template in a page previous that would be just sweet if you used something similar.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2014 08:17 Hobbitus wrote:Just to throw it out there, my current reads: Lord Tolkien-scummy Jabberwockzerg-potential scum Just talk more plz HaruRH-towny I like this post a lot Show nested quote + So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. why do you think this? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote:
EBWOP:
Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense. Thekingofthecats-scummy NydusHerMain-on the fence GlowingBear-slightly towny Meatpudding-on the fence leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear leaning town for this Show nested quote + I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Teemursu-potential scum Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does Epishade-towny The_Templar-towny
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On June 25 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote:
templar
Town: haru
Wolfy: kotc
OUTTED WOLF: jabber
Everyone else I have no idea rn, like I said, after the flips I really feel I need to reevaluate.
The XPost is REAL ignore my previous post thanks
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On June 25 2014 07:43 Teemursu wrote:
Time for some video mafia. Please post questions to me. I like discussing.
You playing with Ryu?
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HEY EVERYBODY PLEASE DO THESE TWO STEPS FOR ME!!!
1.) This post: On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick so we can gauge where people are at currently.
2.) If everyone could say if they will or will not be around at the deadline for EOD (End of Day) This is important because mafia typically in these games can plan things out if they have time to plan their responses but if at the EOD when there isn't much time to react (like the last hour or so of the day) with switching votes and stuff mafia a lot of the time can be outed by the way they vote or abstain from voting so if you're going to not be here let us know in advance so we won't be counting on your vote for something potentially or know why you weren't here. (PLEASE TRY TO BE HERE!)
1.) I will do this as soon as I catch up!
2.) I will be here for EOD.
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On June 25 2014 07:52 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) Ehh, I think I don't think having leans rather than strong feelings is necessarily scummy. Like me, I feel totally in the dark, and am not really comfortable saying 1000000000% SCUUUUUUMMM about anyone. You can really read "leads" either way IMO, as scum keeping options open or town being confused bc no confirmed knowledge. Especially since we're all newer players.
Fair enough but just bare in mind its totally okay to be wrong. I'm currently voting for nydus on at best a hunch that probably can and will change.... thats another thing VOTING YOU CAN DO WHENEVER AND HOWEVER MUCH YOU WANT!!!!! So go for it you're not locking anything in by voting it can change.
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On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Edit: wrote this an hour ago
They Foolishly haven't conceded yet but it is merely a matter of time.
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On June 25 2014 08:20 Hobbitus wrote:
I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-;
10 minutes is the EOD!
I'm out for lunch atm so not posting for a pinch reading on my break though.
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On June 25 2014 09:15 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (2): Teemursu, Hobbitus NydusHerMain (1): Tehpoofter Not voting (9): The remainder!
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
More people need to vote at least to know where people stand please. Not voting=denies town information.
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On June 25 2014 09:15 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 08:23 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 08:20 Hobbitus wrote:
I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-; 10 minutes is the EOD! I'm out for lunch atm so not posting for a pinch reading on my break though. Yes but 10 minutes probably isn't enough time to catch up and argue cases if need be
Enough time to change your vote though and thats important!
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@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions.
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On June 25 2014 09:24 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:22 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:15 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (2): Teemursu, Hobbitus NydusHerMain (1): Tehpoofter Not voting (9): The remainder!
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). More people need to vote at least to know where people stand please. Not voting=denies town information. I think my position is fairly obvious, but I'll vote anyway. ##Vote: meatpudding
NOW its even more obvious!! Can't kill someone if you don't vote. And getting mod killed because you forgot to happens more than you'd think.
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On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow.
Can you respond to the questions I posted in a previous post... Quoted here for your laziness and pleasure.
On June 25 2014 07:57 Tehpoofter wrote:HEY EVERYBODY PLEASE DO THESE TWO STEPS FOR ME!!! 1.) This post: Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick so we can gauge where people are at currently. 2.) If everyone could say if they will or will not be around at the deadline for EOD (End of Day) This is important because mafia typically in these games can plan things out if they have time to plan their responses but if at the EOD when there isn't much time to react (like the last hour or so of the day) with switching votes and stuff mafia a lot of the time can be outed by the way they vote or abstain from voting so if you're going to not be here let us know in advance so we won't be counting on your vote for something potentially or know why you weren't here. (PLEASE TRY TO BE HERE!) 1.) I will do this as soon as I catch up! 2.) I will be here for EOD.
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On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow.
Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours.
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On June 25 2014 09:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow. Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours. You said your filter would be longer than everyone else's soon D:
Its going to happen. I'm not even caught up in the thread. I'm already ahead of probably half the town.
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On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody?
So I use a lot of people reads to give reads on them. People progressions like I got to X is scum for Y reason. If you have someone listed as Town and then you vote them 20 minutes later and they didn't post you better have had some sort of epiphany.
It also is for selfish reasons as I'm just getting into the game kinda seeing where everyone ended up after a full day with a ML and a night kill. Thats a lot of info for people in the game. And while I'm reading through it helps me to gauge people's roles.
Why do you think giving reads would be in any way not useful? Also it doesn't have to be on everyone in game but by this point you should have a grasp on a decent amount of those playing that have been talking. I don't expect people to have reads on the inactives like myself (RiP Solar424) and Scott although he did have a bit more of a filter until we've settled in a bit.
Also don't forget the EOD thing! Thats important
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On June 25 2014 09:57 Teemursu wrote:
Also, why is Epishade bolded town for you? I CTRL+F'd your filter and I didn't see you type his name before a single time.
He voted on him pregame but this is interesting good find Teemu.
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On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns.
I will be doing this cause it seems fun.
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On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody?
See also the 3 posts teemu made right after nydus' reads. Like I will be very shocked if Teemu isn't town this game he cares and is following up on other's reads not only on himself but his reads (KingoftheCarpets) and filter diving even on things that stick out.
This is why posts like this are useful they get people talking
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On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean.
I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do.
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On June 25 2014 10:09 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, oh please.
I can feel the warm pockets calling for me.
No need to be in the pockets hop on my back I'll carry you to victory bbygirl. We might have to kill Nydus though
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On June 25 2014 10:13 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:10 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, oh please.
I can feel the warm pockets calling for me. No need to be in the pockets hop on my back I'll carry you to victory bbygirl. We might have to kill Nydus though No, I agree. I think pressuring him right now is a great idea.
I mean this in the nicest way possible but his filter sucks and he should be doing better. Coming out and Hard defending someone as town is just so damn weird too.
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as in he spent hours getting out his thoughts that someone was town when its not even close to EOD and finding scum is way more important.
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On June 25 2014 10:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:59 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody? So I use a lot of people reads to give reads on them. People progressions like I got to X is scum for Y reason. If you have someone listed as Town and then you vote them 20 minutes later and they didn't post you better have had some sort of epiphany. It also is for selfish reasons as I'm just getting into the game kinda seeing where everyone ended up after a full day with a ML and a night kill. Thats a lot of info for people in the game. And while I'm reading through it helps me to gauge people's roles. Why do you think giving reads would be in any way not useful? Also it doesn't have to be on everyone in game but by this point you should have a grasp on a decent amount of those playing that have been talking. I don't expect people to have reads on the inactives like myself (RiP Solar424) and Scott although he did have a bit more of a filter until we've settled in a bit. Also don't forget the EOD thing! Thats important Oh, alright. I thought you wanted from everyone in the game and that sounded strange to me. I have this feeling that it's a mafia thing to request such thing then create a ruckus when someone shifts their opinion on someone they have weak reads just to confuse town. So, here it goes: Templar
Haru
Teemu TheKingOfTheCats Hobbitus [red] Epishade meatpudding2) I'll be here by the EOD Templar, I've been voting and scumreading meatpudding since the beginning. Also, when I revealed my scumread on Epishade, I did before even Teemu mentioned it. By the way, the huge galore on null reads was a response to Haru, who asked me to give a read on everybody reads. I'm not trying to be defensive. I just want to clear this up. By the way, thanks for the heads up concerning Teemu's approach on townies. I've read his filters and I may say that, although it's a little WIFOM, that his approach on townies can look suspicious. Nonetheless, he still looks town for me when building his logic. By the way, I think meatpudding's flip would also clear this up. I'll hold on to my opinion that meatpudding is key to analyze the whole thread. ##Vote: meatpudding Also, just to understand: what is useful to scum to reveal his thoughts on blue?
Thanks for doing that and voting! You're awesome. I don't understand what you mean by the last line that I bolded though.
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On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter. 
TheKingoftheCool
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On June 25 2014 10:32 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. KingOfTheCanines No?
Now I can't use that one way to go!
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On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter. TheKingOfScum
Talk in third person more.
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On June 25 2014 10:34 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
Yeah, I'd actually like you to give examples and give your reason as to why you read both Epishade and myself town for those specific examples. It's how I read you, and I like the fact that you're now being way more active like this, instead of preparing a bigger post for an hour or so.
villagery as fuck.
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On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
If you had to pick your top two townie posts that Epishade has made what would they be?
Also Jabber is a girl? I saw Hobbitus was too and Mtamburini now in the game too 3 girls is a lot for forum mafia.
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On June 25 2014 10:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, it was addressed to Templar.
If you check my filters, You'll see that I revealed my thoughts on Haru being blue during night time. Wasn't a good idea, but I wanted Templar to explain why it would be a scum move. I understand his reasons but I still disagree that any scum would do such a move. WIFOM, IMO.
No need to apologise, Templar. I'm also having a hard time keeping all up
Haven't read up to the night phase yet but I'll check it when I get there. I'd say it depends on the context and such as to whether scum would do it. I'll address it when I read up to it.
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On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though.
Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him.
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On June 25 2014 10:48 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
If you had to pick your top two townie posts that Epishade has made what would they be? Also Jabber is a girl? I saw Hobbitus was too and Mtamburini now in the game too 3 girls is a lot for forum mafia. I think Jabber is a girl unless I misread something o.O Post 1: Read his explanation of me. Granted I'm town, I have been acting quite scummy in my opinion. His analysis is not something that I think comes from a mafia perspective. Post 2
Thanks for the links the 1st one I had read 2nd one I hadn't. 1st one I commented on as not being definitive enough. I need to look at epishades town game previous to see how he made his reads.
2nd one is more townie I guess but he doesn't get bolded town for me.
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@epishade yeah I saw the post when Nydus linked it previous. I think I need to read the night to get a full feel of it.
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On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Show nested quote +Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything ( not really saying you don't have him there because of that).
Seems like exactly what you're saying.
Glowings suspicion of me and my wanting people's reads did seem pretty villagery paranoia style not sure if I got "adorable" from him though.
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On June 25 2014 11:01 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. You think it's scummy for me to analyze my own posts, as town, from other people's perspectives just to see if my posts sound scummy at all? Analyzing how you think people would respond to your own posts is not a move that only scum would do, you know.
I'll put it this way All scum analyze their posts but not all town do. So if you're not worried about and analyzing your posts you're probably townie but I think its a scum trait to look at your posts and worry about how people perceive it. Like I just hit post after something I type up.
Basically All scum are going to be looking at each of their posts and worrying about how it makes them look not all town will.
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On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha.
I am going to have to read this guys filter to check if hes as adorable as you guys say. I haven't gotten to any of his posts in my read yet.
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On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually.
He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically.
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On June 25 2014 11:08 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:48 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
If you had to pick your top two townie posts that Epishade has made what would they be? Also Jabber is a girl? I saw Hobbitus was too and Mtamburini now in the game too 3 girls is a lot for forum mafia. I think Jabber is a girl unless I misread something o.O Post 1: Read his explanation of me. Granted I'm town, I have been acting quite scummy in my opinion. His analysis is not something that I think comes from a mafia perspective. Post 2 Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. So are you saying that you initially read my post as jumping on him for no reason and after rereading it realized that that wasn't what i was doing or are you saying that you missed my post completely and read it after you posted your initial read on meatpudding? Also he never said that i scumread him. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. Ok, if we ignore the fact that the main reason you gave for thinking MM was scum is observably false was there anything else about his play that struck you as scummy? Also do you have any reasons to think me or Templar could be scum other than weak or non-existent reasons that are tied to one of your townreads flipping red? 
Don't hurt that wall KingoftheCranium. I like your questions.
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On June 25 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically. He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted Show nested quote +I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. ^That's not worried. Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post.
I find as mafia I will a lot of the times be very self aware of what I'm doing and saying and how it will be perceived because I know peoples alignments, what happened with the votes, why people died. So when I talk about them I'm conscious of the fact that people might think of the reason things happened and tie it back to me. I'm not saying what he said proves hes mafia but I don't give him any town points for it at all.
Why do you feel the need to so strongly defend him?
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If you're not voting for anyone do so please. People need to be pressured.
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Templar do you agree or disagree with my assertion that Scum care about how their posts are perceived? Or at least are very likely to be aware of it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral.
Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me.
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On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia
Maybe I need glasses but I don't see how he is clearly mafia please tell me why. You made a 2 hour post about how Meatpudding was town and you make a 1 line post about the adorable person being scum..... Man I really like where my vote is at.
More people should join me on the Nydus wagon I think this guy is mafia.
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On June 25 2014 11:30 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Templar do you agree or disagree with my assertion that Scum care about how their posts are perceived? Or at least are very likely to be aware of it. Oh, I agree with it. Some people will care about how their posts are perceived as town, though.
Yep agreed doesn't make him lock scum it was just scummy...
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On June 25 2014 11:34 NydusHerMain wrote:@TheKingOfTheCats I was reading through the filter and didn't actually have many specific posts in particular to quote but in general, you seemed very defensive and you were asking a lot of questions but that was it. You weren't giving any opinions on people's alignments until the bandwagon on MysterMeat1 started. My initial scumread started with this post where you reacted to Teemu before you reacted to MeatPudding. Ever since then throughout the first day, you had a scummy vibe stick with you. Day two, you're definitely feeling a lot townier, especially with your questioning and the way you seem frustrated that I'm not responding to you immediately. On the flip side, you are being quite defensive which could be mafia indicative.
I think your link is broken or is it just me?
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On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later.
Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum.
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On June 25 2014 11:37 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia Maybe I need glasses but I don't see how he is clearly mafia please tell me why. You made a 2 hour post about how Meatpudding was town and you make a 1 line post about the adorable person being scum..... Man I really like where my vote is at. More people should join me on the Nydus wagon I think this guy is mafia. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
If you're not voting for anyone do so please. People need to be pressured. Sorry you didn't catch that. My scum read has a long ass filter, a lot of my town reads have a long ass filter, my weakass town read has a very low content filter.
In the future Imo prioritize scum reads and I'm awaiting your case
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On June 25 2014 11:42 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later. Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum. If you're town and don't want to get mislynched tomorrow, back off me before my role flips. Thanks.
Ideally you'd convince me you're town. I like that one better.
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On June 25 2014 11:44 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 11:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later. Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum. If you're town and don't want to get mislynched tomorrow, back off me before my role flips. Thanks. Are you subtly trying to claim blue? Because I don't think that will help your case very much.
This is not how he would claim a blue this is him just saying I'm wrong. I still need him to give me his read on the adorable mafia in his eyes.
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On June 25 2014 11:44 GlowingBear wrote:
@Nydus
Boy, that escalated quickly.
I understand it is a pressure vote, but what are you trying to do pressuring me? Pressuring me to what?
Shouldn't you pressure lurked or people you have scumreads?
Seems a vote on you works like a signalling beacon! lol.
Why dont you tell nydus who to pressure Like who is mafia he should be voting over you? Why are you town?
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On June 25 2014 11:48 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:47 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:44 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 11:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later. Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum. If you're town and don't want to get mislynched tomorrow, back off me before my role flips. Thanks. Are you subtly trying to claim blue? Because I don't think that will help your case very much. This is not how he would claim a blue this is him just saying I'm wrong. I still need him to give me his read on the adorable mafia in his eyes. A couple of posts sounded a little bit towny but I need more content for a definitive read. Not actually "clearly mafia" but claiming a polarized opinion brings out a stronger reaction. Too late I guess for that
Lol no I think you done good his reaction was scummy. He like instantly noticed and says "whoa vote a lurker not me bro"
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IMo nydus your next post should be the reasons and or case you have on gummy please and thank you.
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I'm about to leave work and I'll finish reading I've read everything since I started posting and read from the start of the day 1 until page 26 Just going to let people know where I'm at.
Village: Tehpoofter, Teemu, Templar, TheKingoftheCars
People who need more pressure: Anyone who hasn't posted more than twice in the time since I got here. Mtamburini come join us, Hobbitus, jabber, Haru like to see a bit more from you.
Want to see how the nydus/gummy thing plays out. Meatpudding hasn't done anything and everyone thinks hes scum so he probably should show up if hes town.
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On June 25 2014 11:53 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
IMo nydus your next post should be the reasons and or case you have on gummy please and thank you. I've given my reason for voting on glowingbear multiple times
Did you? wtf? Just cause you needed to vote?
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On June 25 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:53 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
IMo nydus your next post should be the reasons and or case you have on gummy please and thank you. I've given my reason for voting on glowingbear multiple times After a quick glance through your filter...no you have not. Do you actually have any reasons for thinking GB is scummy or is it just a pressure vote with no pressure points?
so villagery
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On June 26 2014 11:36 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:25 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 11:24 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
You edited a post you need to die. Teemu edited a post too SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!! Shoot him in the night then if there is a vigi This… is a bit of an over-reaction. >.> Not really as my first post was to lynch teemu hes scum and then I find out he edited a post. IT was a HAPPY reaction!
Played too much video mafia today. I'm happy with the nydus lynch though.
Ar eyou really lynching him just because he editted a post?
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Someone make a counter wagon. We need more than just 1 wagon going on. What happened to meatpudding? I can't catch up reading this fast. Two wagons > 1
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Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts?
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On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die
Teemu won't die unless someone says they have a red check on him and even then I probably wouldn't believe it. Teemu is town in my eyes.
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nydus defend yourself bitch.
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jabber what are you doing too?
Like the two main wagons aren't even here.
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On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die.
They haven't played forum before.
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On June 26 2014 12:11 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. I know they're town the same way you know they're mafia. I don't.
IF he was mafia he would know tbh haru.
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I'm going to the store I got n0 in video mafia so I'll be back in like 10-15 to EoD this shit.
NYDUS AND JABBER DEFEND TAMBURINI TOO!!!
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On June 26 2014 14:07 Hobbitus wrote:
But if nobody had a good case against him why was he lynched?
I'm going to be taking full responsibility for the lynch. I had an initial read on nydus because as far as I knew he was excited to play this game and he didn't seemed enthusiastic in his postings. He also did that weird thing with his progression on Epishade where he went to like LOCK clear for no reason which felt like a mafia messing up his thought process plus his low posting.
I think I had good reasons to think he was scummy but I should have been here for EoD I was around then had to take care of some IRL stuff and before that was playing video mafia I will be fully catching up today at work as I still haven't. I will be much more active on the next EoD as they are important and I blew it off So town blame me had I seen a vote of 3 2 2 knowing I was a town on the wagon I move off it always because that is like never a mafia lynch its mafia not caring. :/ Sorry.
Now off to reading. Someone might have already but if it so happens that someone hasn't done a voting analysis of EoD with speculations from day 1 included I will once caught up but before then would be awesome. I think anyone that was on the nydus wagon is a good check. I do think if there was scum it would be tamburini.
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On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ?
I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video.
You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct?
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On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia.
Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though.
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On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3.
Why not pressure them now?
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On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that
Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things.
I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom?
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On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else.
I think that editing your posts in your first game is a misunderstanding of how the game works I know teemu said he was fixing a misquote/typo or something. I don't find it very alignment indicative. Your vote is weird I find this line weird did you really just vote because of it or was there more? (apologies if you said it I am not fully caught up)
Also I liked templar's interections when I got into thread and Teemu needs to keep up the activity he is my strongest town atm.
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On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this?
There is 4 mafia?
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On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this?
I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need.
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On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:
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Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions.
I'll try to get to it when I can atm not finding a lot of work time.
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On June 27 2014 09:06 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:02 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:00 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else. are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315 I wasnt in the thread at that point in the game calm your tits. Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean, but you really should have read at least the past few pages to catch up on what was going on, you've had nearly 24 hours now… >.> Meh Id rather play on from where I am and see how people are going to interact with me now and how people are reacting to me applying pressure. If I feel like Im in a situation where I need to go look back at day 1 I will, Id like to see the night results first just to see how my reads are as of right now.
I said replacing in I was goign to reread but it feels cumbersome to take on the task.
So you think a night kill is going to confirm your reads one way or the other?
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On June 27 2014 10:09 Hobbitus wrote:
Then ask away.
What are your thoughts on Templar, also? I am starting to read him as scum.
Why is Templar scummy to you or just starting to be?
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Well now I cant make TheKingofTheCarrots jokes now.
Rest in peace TheKingofTheCrappythingsthatdistractme <3
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On June 27 2014 14:03 mtamburini wrote:
All vts are dying did we really get stuck with no roles this game?
Will do vote analysis tomorrow. Going to bed now super tired was modding a Video Game.
So bunch of dead Vt's Cop with red check out today. If you have two green checks alive probably out otherwise use your own judgement.
Vigi might consider claiming.
Medic don't claim.
I might be all of these roles or none.
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Hell fellas fuck I forgot this game was going to a vote today.Just got done eating dinner and about to head out for some drinking what have I missed?
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bleh. I'm sorry guys I really haven't put enough into this game. I spread myself thin here I didn't think other things would have me as busy.
1) Can someone link me cases on the votes?
2) Did anyone claim anything?
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On June 29 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 11:40 Tehpoofter wrote:
bleh. I'm sorry guys I really haven't put enough into this game. I spread myself thin here I didn't think other things would have me as busy.
1) Can someone link me cases on the votes?
2) Did anyone claim anything?
Too much happened, I think we won't be able to link you directly to a case. Gonna try it now, anyway. 2) Nobody claimed nothing.
thats discouraging a Cop should have something by now... I'm guessing no green checks on the alive on those being vote so thats good news.
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On June 29 2014 11:44 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru best lynch, then epi, then mp. I swear if mp gets lynched I'll be so pissed -_-
So they're all three mafia?
Why are they in that order?
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can we get a new vote count since someone apparently voted since the last one?
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Thanks GB. Is town going to lose today if we ML?
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On June 29 2014 11:46 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru I think is scum, epi on the fence, mp town.
WHY 4?
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15 players is the most we play 3 mafia with but there is 2kp until 2 in those games.... so maybe there is 4 mafia hmm. That fucking sucks.
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lets consolidate to 2 votes and everyone be on those 2 for now I think is best.
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If mafia has 4 they're not scared cause either a) they have enough votes to switch around to auto win with the current votes. So I'm spicing shit up.
##Vote: Haru
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If you are here and town don't lurk play. If you're not here I can't be mad cause I wasnt until now. But I'm just going to try to GOAT This shit.
Town Role Call: Tehpoofter HERE
Glowing Bear: HERE
Hobbitus: HERE
Others please speak up or claim scum.
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On June 29 2014 11:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Epishade is also here. Mtamburini was not long ago.
Switch your vote to haru we can switch later put people need real pressure if I was mafia I could win this game in my sleep with 3-2-2 it needs to be like 5-3 or something
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On June 29 2014 12:00 Epishade wrote:
What's GOAT?
Greatest of all time
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If it's 5-4 and one town is not voting with me we lose cause I'm town and four mafia can just vote w.e.
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On June 29 2014 12:02 GlowingBear wrote:Poof, take a look at this vote analysis made by tamburini: "mtamburini against Templar and Meatpudding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=90#1798 " What do you think of it? I believe that there is a scum voting on meatpudding. I don't believe four mafia would focus all their votes on MysteryMeat. If there is at least 1 voting for meatpudding, who do you think is the scum? I've yet to decide between Teemu or Haru.
If it could be haru vote him now! Make mafia panic we can change watch
##unvote
##Vote GlowingBear
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##unvote
##Vote Haru
See that easy!,,
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On June 29 2014 12:02 GlowingBear wrote:Poof, take a look at this vote analysis made by tamburini: "mtamburini against Templar and Meatpudding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=90#1798 " What do you think of it? I believe that there is a scum voting on meatpudding. I don't believe four mafia would focus all their votes on MysteryMeat. If there is at least 1 voting for meatpudding, who do you think is the scum? I've yet to decide between Teemu or Haru.
Hmm I like the day one thing if four if 3 it's different but four might make this ez
Re looking at day 2 and also having a fast shower
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On June 29 2014 12:10 meatpudding wrote:
Bear, Hobbit, Epi, if we vote in a block of 4 we can certainly get the lynch. Banks I'm not sure if you are scum or not, but I hope you are town and can vote for us. I would recommend first Teemu, second Templar (given up?) or Haru.
Haru is your scum read votE him
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On June 29 2014 12:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:10 meatpudding wrote:
Bear, Hobbit, Epi, if we vote in a block of 4 we can certainly get the lynch. Banks I'm not sure if you are scum or not, but I hope you are town and can vote for us. I would recommend first Teemu, second Templar (given up?) or Haru. I think we are taking the wrong move by voting Haru. I do believe Haru is town. It's useless trying to pressure him, he is sleeping. The problem is: I won't be able to take Epishade from Haru. I might have to follow poof's choice in order to survive.
He has teammates that might react
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On June 29 2014 12:16 mtamburini wrote:
##UNVOTE
Who we killing?
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On June 29 2014 12:22 Epishade wrote:
I feel really uncomfortable with how Haruhi gained so much traction suddenly.
Shouldn't you be happy he was your kill?
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On June 29 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:24 Epishade wrote:
I understand GlowBear is voting Haruhi in favor of a vote over me though. But you say you kinda think Haruhi is town.
Glowbear, would you consider Teemursu instead, with meatpudding and me? Maybe. We need Hobbitus for that. What do you think, poof?
Unsure where is haru?
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##unvote
##Vote mtamburini
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This claim stinks to high heaven tbh
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Vote someone not Haru though
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I kinda wanna kill meat pudding he could be godfather or with Haru
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On June 29 2014 12:58 HaruRH wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: epishade
I'm just sheeping poofter now.
That's a terrible idea I know nothing but fuck it!!
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Inb4 Haru fake claimed ftw
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On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf
My eod was so ducking town. I shook things up either way this analysis might win us the game cause mafia doesn't know what to do
Also on mobile and drinking
Teemu did we lose?
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On June 29 2014 13:10 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf he's playing so fucking bad. I had no idea lol
How was that bad????
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On June 29 2014 13:11 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:10 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf My eod was so ducking town. I shook things up either way this analysis might win us the game cause mafia doesn't know what to do Also on mobile and drinking Teemu did we lose? Apparently if we just lynched our cop, lol
Who didn't move off him?
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In b4 meat pudding is godfather: someone that is sober see if Haru said anything about meat pudding today
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So I think mafia would just out if we lost IMO were still in it
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On June 29 2014 13:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Tambourine, I don't believe ALL mafia voted on mystery meat, I think that there was a mafia voting on meatpudding as well, if it wasn't Haru, then Teemu.
Let's see.
This awful switching by banks was scummy IMO.
God I need that flip.
How was it scummy? I made shit happen baring a red check that's how eod should be
Mafia can't handle the chaos
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On June 29 2014 13:55 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:54 GlowingBear wrote:
That vote switching was really funny by the way That last 15 minutes was the funnest I've had all game.
Agreed it was crazy fun!!
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Holy shit that eod I mean I look like a giant scum bag but holy shit I have a vote analysis boner.
Teemu you wolfed hard and fought for your team gg
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On June 29 2014 15:05 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 15:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 14:03 mtamburini wrote:
All vts are dying did we really get stuck with no roles this game?
Will do vote analysis tomorrow. Going to bed now super tired was modding a Video Game. So bunch of dead Vt's Cop with red check out today. If you have two green checks alive probably out otherwise use your own judgement. Vigi might consider claiming. Medic don't claim. I might be all of these roles or none. In case you're wondering why I didn't come out sooner, its because I had neither a red check nor 2 green checks. Coming out now would have just been scumfood. Gimme 1 min, ill show you my hidden message for the doubtful
I'm aware I should have picked up on the rb thing and hammered teemu
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So we need to do things tonight. 1) vote analysis of eod. 2) Haru needs to give full unbiased reads. 3) everyone needs to look at eod on all three days the last was the best by far info wise.
Teemu was afk on meat right?
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On July 01 2014 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm glad that you're still playing the game. Mtamburini and poof's inactivity bothers me. But so many people were happy they weren't playing the game anymore, it upsets me. I get how it's really frustrating when people just don't care about when you put effort into showing your thoughts.
But saying that anyone would notice your encrypted message is too much dude. There's even a time prohibiting encryption. I know that it may not be the same as using binary code, but I'm totally not searching for such things.
I've carefully read your huge post on me an Hobbitus. What can I say? You've accused Hobbitus of doing the same thing as I, and I'm town. How couldn't I completely disregard your post?
The encrypted message thing is silly but its a good way to have breadcrumbed without breadcrumbing obviously enough for mafia to see. So its more likely he setup the claim one way or the other despite his alignment. The good news is he isn't aligned with meatpudding if hes mafia. That was actually a pretty bad mafia kill tbh regardless of Haru's alignment.
So I need to reread some stuff but just in general were at 7 people now I think so if there was 4 yesterday this is lylo. I'm inclined to think thats not the case unless mafia was very specifically 4 people. I would be basically everyone that voted teemu + me as town otherwise mafia should have won and didn't which is silly and a bad assumption to go off atm. I think there is likely to be 3 mafia in the game and we only have 2 left BUT I don't want to live in that world Its much safer to assume there is 3 and play accordingly.
My top lynches assuming Haru is real is Mtamburini and The_Templar.
I'm going to look over the votes here at work I'm fairly busy but ill be checking in when I can. I understand votes on me but you have to think about if I was mafia I came into thread and had plenty of reasons to toss a vote onto Meatpudding who was ahead and is now known to be town and get him lynched, I also stirred shit up at the EoD enough that we ended up killing a mafia and made a LOT of people look town. Now bussing could have occurred hte timing of votes and stuff is important and people that seemed "Frozen" or not knowing who to vote are suspicious to me.
Sorry for the wall of text and afkness though I bit off more than I can chew this week.
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##Vote Mtamburini
Him lynching nydus for editing and saying he was going to kill teemu for it then as soon as nydus get off the table suddenly decides its not scummy of teemu not looking good on him right now.
Still haven't done voting analysis EVERYONE BE AROUND FOR EOD NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE THINKING!!!
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##Vote Mtamburini
cause bolding is hard.
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On July 01 2014 11:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 01 2014 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm glad that you're still playing the game. Mtamburini and poof's inactivity bothers me. But so many people were happy they weren't playing the game anymore, it upsets me. I get how it's really frustrating when people just don't care about when you put effort into showing your thoughts.
But saying that anyone would notice your encrypted message is too much dude. There's even a time prohibiting encryption. I know that it may not be the same as using binary code, but I'm totally not searching for such things.
I've carefully read your huge post on me an Hobbitus. What can I say? You've accused Hobbitus of doing the same thing as I, and I'm town. How couldn't I completely disregard your post? The encrypted message thing is silly but its a good way to have breadcrumbed without breadcrumbing obviously enough for mafia to see. So its more likely he setup the claim one way or the other despite his alignment. The good news is he isn't aligned with meatpudding if hes mafia. That was actually a pretty bad mafia kill tbh regardless of Haru's alignment. So I need to reread some stuff but just in general were at 7 people now I think so if there was 4 yesterday this is lylo. I'm inclined to think thats not the case unless mafia was very specifically 4 people. I would be basically everyone that voted teemu + me as town otherwise mafia should have won and didn't which is silly and a bad assumption to go off atm. I think there is likely to be 3 mafia in the game and we only have 2 left BUT I don't want to live in that world Its much safer to assume there is 3 and play accordingly. My top lynches assuming Haru is real is Mtamburini and The_Templar. I'm going to look over the votes here at work I'm fairly busy but ill be checking in when I can. I understand votes on me but you have to think about if I was mafia I came into thread and had plenty of reasons to toss a vote onto Meatpudding who was ahead and is now known to be town and get him lynched, I also stirred shit up at the EoD enough that we ended up killing a mafia and made a LOT of people look town. Now bussing could have occurred hte timing of votes and stuff is important and people that seemed "Frozen" or not knowing who to vote are suspicious to me. Sorry for the wall of text and afkness though I bit off more than I can chew this week. I'd rather lynch mtamburini than Templar tbh. Templar is at least participating
I'd kill either tbh I think that's the team if haru is real.
Someone besides me analyses the data with colors from all flips for all days especially last day. I have made my opinion but I need to know who else cares
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On July 02 2014 06:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 02 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On July 02 2014 01:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Looking at the day1 ML I still strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar. Assuming that HaruH is the real cop then the only other mafia that could have voted on meat d1 is glowing bear splitting up the mafia votes as potentially 2/2 if there is 4. Im leaning towards HaruH being the real cop because he checked meat saw he was town and then pushed hard to lynch the peope who voted on him as well he also claimed he was going to check glowing bear. Regardless of Glowingbears allignement mafia have to roleblock (im assuming he was not jailed cause that would be dumb IMO as one of them would move on to the next day to lead) Sure you can say maybe meat was GF but he couldnt live for 2 days in a row and not die to mafia if he was confirmed. On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburiniGlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg Still looking at Epi Hobbitus Templar and knowing that Teemu is mafia, Im more inclined to believe that mafia would bus eachother on that day so Im going to live in the world where Epi is town leaving me with Templar and Hobbitus as potential scum. With the possibilty of their still being 3 scum alive ill toss tehpoofter into the mix as a third mafia but at the bottom of the totenpole. Hobbitus changed his vote at EOD off of meatpudding to Epishade, from the prospective I was living in with Teemu being town for pulling off a town to vote someone else I cant 100% consider as I have been proven wrong that scum can do this. This just makes me believe Epi is more town and that mafia tried to hammer him EOD and hoped another town voted on him to get him lynched. On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one So yesterday votes are kinda telling that TEMPLAR NEED TO BE LYNCHED For one I strongly believe that Epi and Teemu cannot be scum together and Templar voted on EPI in a tied vote where Teemu flipped scum, Glowingbear being the last vote on Teemu I dont think can be scum as all he had to do was pull off and vote someone else and Epi wouldve been lynched. Again I know this theory has been disproven already but in the situation that we were in or couldve been in with it being LYLO I think mafia is more likely to go for the win rather than bus. Lets lynch Templar and then tomorrow we can hunt for more scum ##VOTE TEMPLAR ##UnvoteThis is a much better post from you than I was expecting. You know, actually playing the game instead of bitching is a pretty good strategy. However, I don't like that you pinpoint me as the only suspicious person in the vote. On day 2, Tehpoofter voted Nydus early on, and despite being extremely active during that day, simply did not ever change his vote. Yes, that looks worse in hindsight than it did in day 2, but then look at day 3. Poof does literally the opposite, stirring up confusing in the voting and trying to get people away from someone. At no point did he vote Teemu, and he voted Haru twice. If he is mafia, he ultimately failed to get people to not focus on Teemu. Now, concerning Epishade… In day 2, Nydus/jabber had 3+ votes for the last hour and a half and Epishade and Teemu had 1 each. It is perfectly reasonable for them, if they were both scum, to vote each other in order to prevent any suspicion in case one of them gets lynched. Note also how Epishade unvoted Teemu and then revoted him after a brief vote on the slightly suspicious jabber, as if he wasn't sure. Then in day 3, he kept unvoting Teemu AGAIN. At this point the voting was very chaotic and the host was having trouble keeping track of the votes so it's possible he made a mistake.
In addition, you completely ignore GlowingBear, who switches votes a lot in day 3 without too much explanation.All of these are possibilities. However, I'm still inclined that one or two of you/Poofter/GlowingBear is more likely because of your previous inclination to keep things chaotic at the EOD. Are you serious? (1) Are you still considering me as scum even after My decisive vote against Teemu and after I explained I was sheeping tehpoofter? (2) You put a good point concerning poof. I'll be reevaluating my read on him In case you haven't noticed, I've been suspecting everyone except the guy who claimed cop. (1) My reasoning on you is a bit thin, I will admit. Although, it was difficult to tell what was going on when you were switching votes along with Poof and Epishade and the host was not there. In fact, when I was reading through the next morning, I didn't realize Teemu was even close to being lynched until it was brought up. It's always possible that mafia's made a mistake; we all know the town has made a lot. (2) As I've said, I'm not so sure about Poof anymore. He comes in at EOD and starts being really active, and then disappears, and he never voted Teemu (understandable considering he was defending him all game).
Glowing bear is my only town ATM. Everyone else is up for lynch. I'm going to a movie I'll be back in a couple hours for EoD chaos. Mafia better get in your afk excuses now. Town make a ##unvote ##vote macro. Yesterday's chaos was started by me and we hit a mafia and found out meat and glowing we're town. We're going again!!!
Some one else besides tambo look at the votes not just at the very end of day 3 but each time the lynch target changes that's the key!,,
I'm out for some transformers.
P.s. Freedom train lost today so I'm extra pissed! I'm blaming mafia this lynch is for USA #IBelieveThatWeWillWin
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Alright ladies I'm here movie over. So this eod is boring whose down for some Chinese fire drill (cfd) action??
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These are actually my top two lunches I'm just worried it's ez.
For me mafia is Templar or tambo top two Haru third then maybe hobbit.
Who on Templar is willing to go elsewhere?
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On July 02 2014 11:22 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
Because my battery may die and I don't want to risk on a LYLO scenario. But seriously, lynch poof guys...
Just got to my computer explain why I'm the right lynch in any situation. I will run it through one more time last EoD. I come in an horu before EoD NO ONE IS AROUND its 3 votes meatpudding 2 votes Haru I think or something along those lines. I decide "well this town has 3 votes and so does 2 votes on this other person who ends up claiming to be cop. So I could as mafia place my vote on meat for a multitude of reasons and fuck off.... or Place it on a no one and fuck off.... INSTEAD I start chaos and pull votes off meatpudding onto haru then back on epi then haru I think or something like that. I never did vote teemu you're correct but i sure as hell started some shit. I made the game fun and interesting AND STARTED THE PROCESS THAT GOT A MAFIA LYNCHED!!!
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If I'm the only one around I'm going to be kinda upset unless Templar is mafia then apparently mafia has given up.
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On July 02 2014 12:35 The_Templar wrote:
screw it
##Vote: Hobbitus
HAI why not tambo?
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So either mafia is like Templar/Haru or this is a misslynch just so everyone knows/
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##unvote
##Vote The_templar
^^The above vote is for literally no reason.
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TEmplar is town going to lose by killing you?
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HOW NERVOUS IS EVERYONE THAT THE PERSON CLAIMING COP AND THE GUY WERE VOTING ON ARE THE ONLY TWO NOT ON THIS WAGON??
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On July 02 2014 12:44 The_Templar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
NVM just the cop not on this now were good. Hold fast town
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On July 02 2014 12:46 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
HOW NERVOUS IS EVERYONE THAT THE PERSON CLAIMING COP AND THE GUY WERE VOTING ON ARE THE ONLY TWO NOT ON THIS WAGON?? WRONG. I'm on the wagon too.
I see that.
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On July 02 2014 12:47 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 4 The_Templar (6): GlowingBear, Epishade, Hobbitus, mtamburini, GlowingBear, Tehpoofter, The_Templar HaruRH (0): HobbitusTehpoofter (0): HaruRH, GlowingBearMtamburini (1): Tehpoofter, HaruRH, The_TemplarHobbitus (0): The_TemplarNot voting (0): The vast emptiness of space
Currently, The_Templar is set to be lynched with 6 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 4 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
I'm going to switch my vote around a bunch just to mess with you.
##unvote
##Vote: Hobbitus
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##unvote
##Vote: mtamburini
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##unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
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On July 02 2014 12:51 mtamburini wrote:
holy moly wtf has happened
I'm fucking with amiko. Were lynching Templar and i'm like 70% sure its a miss... think abtou it from my PoV the "cop" me (who is town) and the guy were voting on not voting... so who is Templar's mafia partner and what are they doing?
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Dear lord. Templar at least be a man go to www.lolcat.com and just start posting photos of that if your'e going to conceed as mafia.
Inb4 HAru is the last one and I made him fake claim yesterday/
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HOLY FUCK he was mafia....hahahahaha
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hahaha JEsus. I'm so dead. Like is it just Haru next?
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haha I like that amiko updated the vote count.
So Like Raise your hand if you think I'm mafia?
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“Very well. Umm… you!” the Captain said, pointing to someone standing nearby. “Take his body to the doctor.” The_Templar nodded, reaching down to pick up the dead husk (whose foul smelled and general unattractiveness reminded him of Tehpoofter) and began to haul it toward the medbay.
lol Amiko you jerk I just reread this.
Tonight should be fun. I'm going to look at things and make a reads post. I'm in an interesting spot with what happened yesterday. Either a) The bus is REAL or b) Haru is fake.
One thing that needs to be discussed TOMORROW and NOT tonight is the number of mafia that we think are left. It makes a big difference on who to lynch potentially. I know where I'm at.
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On July 03 2014 05:57 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:On July 02 2014 17:08 HaruRH wrote:
I just woke up.
Wut we got scum? How is templar scum? =.= You know, there is a guy named GlowingBear and specially a girl named Hobbitus who made their cases on Templar. And a guy names mtamburini who wanted Templar lynched from 2 days ago
Who is mafia? I'm at the point that I think its haru or you just fyi.
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On July 03 2014 07:03 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I can work a case on Haru, poof, Epishade and mtamburini using my main post as the source of my interpretations. The problem is deciding what is the better case right now. You bring very good points concerning Haru, but his arguments (besides refusing answering you) also makes sense. The problem is: is he lying or is he desperately trying to save town doing these stuffs?
Don't you think having a cop, a jailer and a vigilante is too much? If you think a jailer and a cop is enough, then you've got another argument against Haru because he considered so bad the possibility of a vigilante right now.
Alright. If we have a jailer, please put a lot of thought when deciding who to jail. Read some posts and try to think what mafia would do when (1) having privileged information and (2) knowing what townies are thinking of themselves.
I would also ask you to consider trying to jail scum, as we might have just one left. If you manage to jail the killer, no kill will happen and we will be able to lynch mafia with precision yes, I think having 3 roles is too much for town at this point. Most likely there isn't a vigi. I just attributed the n1 shot as a vigi shot since I don't see scum motive for it. To respond to the rb question, I got rb d2, nothing d3 and jailed d4. Idk why there wasnt a rb d2 and 3. Either people did not report it or scum decided not to roleblock (they thought no blue exist?) Or that it hit the jailer and he did not want to say it since there was no jail claims d2. Either jail me to prove my innocence or jail your most likely scum target. Jailing me gives the extra benefit of overlapping with the rb
Jailer could have jailed the RBer.
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So during the hour after night actions are sent in and the day break I think it would be a decent idea for people to claim their roles.
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On July 03 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:
I think it would be better to claim only if necessary. We still have 1 more potential night that jailer might be useful, unless he prevents tonight's shot. No use in him claiming just yet.
Him claiming after night actions might be good tbh.
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This is interesting. Didn't teemu claim a RB at some point. Did He ever specifiy between jail and rb?
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So I'm trying to work it out but I think jailer claiming to set the story straight might be good. Also if we don't have a jailer Haru is obviously mafia. (I think very unlikely)
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Maybe I doubt there is 2 mafia but I like to live on the safe side.
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On July 04 2014 11:32 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:On July 04 2014 10:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm trying to work it out but I think jailer claiming to set the story straight might be good. Also if we don't have a jailer Haru is obviously mafia. (I think very unlikely) Very likely. 5 people left. 2 VT, 1 jailer, 1 cop, 1 mafia? Nah. Well technically 1 rb, 1 jailer, 1 cop, and either 1vt/1 mafia or 2 mafia lol
The rb and jailer are probably not aligned. ITs more like a town jailer and a mafia rb.
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On July 04 2014 11:37 Hobbitus wrote:
So in order for Haru to not have lied at some point, I must be the only VT.
it could be Haru Cop then one of us jailer 1 mafia and the other 2 Vt.
I'm VT as well Jailer just needs to claim imo.
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On July 04 2014 12:08 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 11:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Ohh I forgot rb could be either alignment. And didn't realize jailer could be too, just assumed bc it's Scotty. Jailor can be mafia sided?
Maybe but probably unlikely.
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On July 04 2014 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Wait a minute. There was no jailing day3?
Say the night not the day or it gets confusing.
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On July 04 2014 13:26 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 12:26 Hobbitus wrote:
Okay so self-claimed:
Hobbitus-vt
Bear-vt
Poof-vt
Haru-cop
Tam? vt ## Vote Haru
If there is a jailer in this game and they did jail haru they are game throwing.
So wait Haru you're saying you were JAILED and no one is jailer???
well GG thats game I guess
IF SOMEONE IS JAILER THEY ARE LITERALLY GAME THROWING!!!!
##Vote Haru
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On July 05 2014 03:02 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 02:43 GlowingBear wrote:
If you flip blue I'll be so pissed off If he flips cop Im gonna flame the jailer
The jailer will be confirmed WoAT
Like lol was it this easy?
Btw if Haru flips last scum I'm taking home a partial MVP for creating the EoD shenanigans that led to teemu lynch and forced Haru to claim.
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Anyone around to chat? I just realized that if Haru is mafia and no one is lying about their roles this was an all vanilla game. If thats the case you're a cruel cruel host Slam.
No one is jailer??? really?
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I'll say this one last time IF YOU ARE JAILER AND NOT CLAIMING YOU ARE MAKING A COLOSSAL MISTAKE!
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RIP Slam's fireworks hopes.
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btw is Slam made an all vanilla town game hes a mad man. This has been confirmed.
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On July 05 2014 12:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Someone to chat? I feel alone.
Nobody claimed Jailer?
All VT game?
Awesome!
You went to the brazil columbia game?
ANd yeah all VT plus Haru claiming to be jailed. If haru isn't mafia then idk.
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On July 05 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm actually from Brazil so it's partying everyday here. I'm trying to not get drunk everytime but it's really hard
Hell yeah!! Now that america is out I will be rooting for you guys. Revenge us vs the Germans.
Dude That guy for columbia the young guy is insane. HE is going to be something special.
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First game ever subbing in and I had a lot of fun with it. My reads were pretty bad and I was impressed with the scum teams ability to have a large filter in a forum game with little experience, that is a hard thing for lots of people to do and not getting caught for 3 days was really well played!
I need to read the scum QT but I'm wondering if Haru had the Cop claim ready or was just forced into it by the EoD action which to me was a lot of fun. I'd like to know what the new players thought of the last hour on day 3!
Also I'd like to apologize for the troll on day 4 I wrongly thought it was a misslynch and couldn't do anything about it... glad i was wrong!
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