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On June 25 2014 07:43 Teemursu wrote:
Time for some video mafia. Please post questions to me. I like discussing.
You playing with Ryu?
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On June 25 2014 07:46 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:43 Teemursu wrote:
Time for some video mafia. Please post questions to me. I like discussing. You playing with Ryu?
Nah, some random DM game.
I'm too shy to ask people if I can join Ryu's game, LOL.
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On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it.  This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark.  It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I?  I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH)
Ehh, I think I don't think having leans rather than strong feelings is necessarily scummy. Like me, I feel totally in the dark, and am not really comfortable saying 1000000000% SCUUUUUUMMM about anyone. You can really read "leads" either way IMO, as scum keeping options open or town being confused bc no confirmed knowledge. Especially since we're all newer players.
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On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014.
Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes.
On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru*
Tehpoofter
Epishade*
mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu*
Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further
mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about.
Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game.
Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's.
On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all.
Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this).
GlowingBear:
Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him.
In addition, this post:
On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.  please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell.
Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as
town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions.
Also, what the hell is this?
On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now.
Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral.
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HEY EVERYBODY PLEASE DO THESE TWO STEPS FOR ME!!!
1.) This post: On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<<<ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION) Please use the following format. Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel MustardWolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick so we can gauge where people are at currently.
2.) If everyone could say if they will or will not be around at the deadline for EOD (End of Day) This is important because mafia typically in these games can plan things out if they have time to plan their responses but if at the EOD when there isn't much time to react (like the last hour or so of the day) with switching votes and stuff mafia a lot of the time can be outed by the way they vote or abstain from voting so if you're going to not be here let us know in advance so we won't be counting on your vote for something potentially or know why you weren't here. (PLEASE TRY TO BE HERE!)
1.) I will do this as soon as I catch up!
2.) I will be here for EOD.
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On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes.
Edit: wrote this an hour ago
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On June 25 2014 07:52 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) Ehh, I think I don't think having leans rather than strong feelings is necessarily scummy. Like me, I feel totally in the dark, and am not really comfortable saying 1000000000% SCUUUUUUMMM about anyone. You can really read "leads" either way IMO, as scum keeping options open or town being confused bc no confirmed knowledge. Especially since we're all newer players.
Fair enough but just bare in mind its totally okay to be wrong. I'm currently voting for nydus on at best a hunch that probably can and will change.... thats another thing VOTING YOU CAN DO WHENEVER AND HOWEVER MUCH YOU WANT!!!!! So go for it you're not locking anything in by voting it can change.
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On June 25 2014 07:22 Teemursu wrote:Hey, guy Epi. What do you think of my reads on KotC? I talked a bunch about him during the night. I feel insulted that I'm tied for scummy with MeatPudding. Could you talk to me about this post a little bit? Where is your thought process of flip-flopping on MeatPudding being a "misguided townie" and "scum"? I don't need you to refer to anything specific. Just post your thought process. People, including me, have read the last part of the post as pretty scummy. Anything you want to address there?
I wasn't referring to meatPudding being a misguided townie in that post. The m in meatPudding is lowercase, so any time I referred to "Meat", I was talking about MysteryMeat. I always referred to meatPudding by his full name. As for MysteryMeat being a misguided townie, I thought he might be because he uses logic that I can't agree with, but to him, seems logical. In this case, it was him saying that people posting their filters of past games was a scumtell, and then giving his reasoning for why he thought that. Thus, misguided townie.
Tbh, I still kind of thought Meat was misguided when I voted him, but I wasn't willing to take the chance because of how his recent posts were so bad. He wouldn't explain anything and he was hostile to people that were trying to help. If Meat had flipped scum, I'd have been kicking myself if I hadn't voted for him, considering how bad he was posting. So really, I still thought a small part of Meat might have been town, but I didn't want to take the chance that he wasn't after he was throwing up so many red flags.
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On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Edit: wrote this an hour ago
They Foolishly haven't conceded yet but it is merely a matter of time.
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@Teemursu
You ask me about your reads on Cats.
Ummm...where did you make your read about Cats? Can you link me to a post?
And also, what did you mean by this:
On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
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I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-;
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On June 25 2014 08:20 Hobbitus wrote:
I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-;
10 minutes is the EOD!
I'm out for lunch atm so not posting for a pinch reading on my break though.
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On June 25 2014 08:15 Epishade wrote:@Teemursu You ask me about your reads on Cats. Ummm...where did you make your read about Cats? Can you link me to a post? And also, what did you mean by this: Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
I'll link some to you after this video mafia game.
I explained myself after that post (about walls of posts, etc). What do you need to know?
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On June 25 2014 08:39 The_Templar wrote:
What's an EOD?
Never mind, it's a few posts up :\
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On June 25 2014 08:44 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 08:15 Epishade wrote:@Teemursu You ask me about your reads on Cats. Ummm...where did you make your read about Cats? Can you link me to a post? And also, what did you mean by this: On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. I'll link some to you after this video mafia game. I explained myself after that post (about walls of posts, etc). What do you need to know?
Oh, I didn't catch it. This must be it, then.
On June 25 2014 06:47 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:37 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 06:28 Teemursu wrote:
Nydus, how about instead you talk with me, Haru and Banks about people and reads? I said I'd give a writeup in a couple of hours... I'm just reading through everything right now and gathering my thoughts. A little hostile Teemu? If you want to read it that way. I'd just rather prefer having discussions with people instead of having to reading a couple of walls of posts and spend too much effort in analyzing them. Just like in video mafia, y'know? EDIT: having to read*
Honestly, I don't think that's a good mindset to have when playing forum mafia, where filter diving is very helpful for coming up with reads.
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On June 25 2014 06:47 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:37 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 06:28 Teemursu wrote:
Nydus, how about instead you talk with me, Haru and Banks about people and reads? I said I'd give a writeup in a couple of hours... I'm just reading through everything right now and gathering my thoughts. A little hostile Teemu? If you want to read it that way. I'd just rather prefer having discussions with people instead of having to reading a couple of walls of posts and spend too much effort in analyzing them. Just like in video mafia, y'know? EDIT: having to read*
Warning. Use the preview function, and make sure the other option is "post" not "Update"
This warning is public and final because if I see it again after this mod post, it will be a modkill. Editing is srs bsns and in the OP I actually said I would modkill after the first infraction- meaning the first time it happens period!- but, I just realized that could be interpreted as YOUR first edit (the proverbial you-) versus THE first edit.
I actually used the collective you afterward for further clarification.
So if you see that you edited by mistake after this may as well stop posting or post final reads or etc. Because modkill + warning will be issued.
This is harsh! And I know this! But there is literally ZERO tolerance outside a newbie. So this harsh environment is still a training environment (you don't put training wheels on an airplane, you stress the fact that IT IS AN AIRCRAFT)
Thanks for apology after it though and just be careful!
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On June 25 2014 07:42 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum. With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions. Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet? His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now.
(I am going to address this generally)
Kotc's recent push on mp does seem to be very towny. This post in particular is strong:
Why do you think Teemu is giving off scum vibes even though he is "playing as a townie"? Is it because he's putting pressure on you?
Why would him getting you lynched help him blend in with town? If you flipped green then suspicion would be on him seeing as he was pushing your lynch (with varying degerrs of seriousness) from the start.
What makes you so sure you're a mafia target and what makes you so sure you're on to them? Teemu was "pushing" you before you were "on to" him so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think mp is basically thrown off by Teemu's aggressive playing style. I dunno... everything mp does is stupid for town. He thought Teemu and templar were scumbuddies bc of something insanely superficial (and still thinks it might be significant), he suggested that tolkien was scum and pushing mm to make kotc look bad when he flipped green when tolkien was the main force behind the wagon, he still thinks teemu is scum but won't actually push him. I just don't understand why he is sticking so hard to that initial impression, when so much has happened since then o_0 For me the scummiest thing about him is that he's not BUILDING his case at all, he's basically coasting through the game. It seems like he's just dragging out the conversation about him by barely posting anything at all. That's time that could be much better spent looking for other scum that are less in the spotlight. I think favorably about kotc telling him to forget about teemu and say something, anything else. I'd say mp would be a decent lynch so I will vote him for now ##Vote: meatpudding. I will be VERY apt to change this if he says anything significant about anyone else. I will suggest that town focuses on other people until he responds.
One thing of possible interest I did notice, mp was also pushing tolkien. So it might be that if mp flips red, tolkien was not shot by mafia. Their only motivation to do so would be to strengthen the case on mp, but no one has mentioned it yet. I would like opinions on this bc so much speculation
What concerns me though is now, if mp flips town, who is going to have suspicion on them? Teemu for starting the push, Haru for pushing so hard, or kotc for strengthening the case?
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Vote Count – Day 2
meatpudding (2): Teemursu, Hobbitus
NydusHerMain (1): Tehpoofter
Not voting (9): The remainder!
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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