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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 02:56 GMT
#1427
On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.

Yea this was along the lines I was thinking. He doesn't consider bussing as a possibility even though the votes were stacked on MZ before his cell voted.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 02:59 GMT
#1428
For reference, the vote count before HF & bats voted MZ.

On May 31 2014 03:33 LoneMeow wrote:
Counting of votes:

OdinOfPergo (0): Palmar
ritoky (2): mderg, Palmar
Meapak_Ziphh (5): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi

Not voting (8): mtamburini, ShiaoPi, batsnacks, Meapak_Ziphh, Tehpoofter, ritoky, Holyflare, 27ninjabunnies

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched.
You have until Friday, May 30 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote.
Voting is mandatory!


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: WaveofShadow voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: slOosh voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: layabout voted meapak ziph (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted OdinOfPergo (post)
VOTE: OdinOfPergo voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: mderg voted ritoky (post)
VOTE: Palmar unvoted OdinOfPergo (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted Meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: Palmar unvoted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted ritoky (post)

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 03:01 GMT
#1429
On that note, ObiWanShinobi, where's your vote?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 03:35 GMT
#1437
On May 30 2014 13:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare

below is a quote of his mayoral platform:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 28 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote:
[image loading]

VOTE HOLYFLARE FOR MAYOR




  • Do you like winning games?
  • Do you want someone in power who is charming, friendly and a sexy beast?
  • Do you want a free and easy point in towns favour when it comes to winning my cell?
  • Do you want someone that will listen to the people when it comes to deciding the lynch order?
  • Do you want a romantic walk on the beach anytime you and me are together and a beach is nearby?


If you answered yes to any of those questions then I am the man for you. If you click my profile you will see that I have an enormous amount of wins in a row. This is purely because of the fact that i'm good. If I'm mafia i'll be bussing and you should be getting free points regardless. I love to bus and this setup is majorly favoured for that. If I'm town I'll be right anyway so what have you got to lose? It's win/win for everybody! Everybody but scum that is. We hate those scum.

Not only that but I've already crumbed my role in this post. Is it not obvious? I'm green. Green is the colour of town. I am town. You should love to follow someone who is good and is town. So, naturally, you should follow me. Follow me to victory that is. Who likes winning? I do!

In a recent survey of everyone on this planet, people had the following things to say about my mafia abilities:

[image loading]

Do you SEE THAT? I'm a team-player, a proactive problem-solver! Most importantly, I am hard. I am so very aroused at the mere idea of winning that it's simply the only thing I can do. Will you join me? Will you, too, feel this hard?


A vote for me is a vote for winning.


##Vote Holyflare


at a glance, it looks really nice and well put together so it makes you think that he cares about the position and the fact that hes trying to solve the game. the reality of it is that theres no content at all in this post, or almost any of the posts that follow:

Show nested quote +
What is time? Time is just an arbitrary parameter by which many people live their lives. I transcend time. What more could you ask for in a mayor than someone who transcends the paramater by which humanity lives? I am no human. I am Holyflare. I am your next mayor.


Show nested quote +
Here's the thing. As your future mayor I know what people want. People want to be listened to, to be acknowledged. As a man elected by the people I am a servant of the people. I will follow the whim of the majority for that is the honourable leader that I am.


Show nested quote +
Fail to plan, plan to fail. That's the motto most live by. I am not most. I foresee that a pre-emptive plan will be useless in a game such as this. While I am your future mayor, I am not omniscient!

It is with this in mind that we play out the day like any other, we make reads and collect data. TOGETHER we shall bring peace to this mafia ridden town and recover from the travesty of Cell 1.0. This is a democracy. I am just a pretty face for the people.


obviously he wants the position, but the underlying mindset is that he wants it without giving the town anything in return. he eventually gave up running for mayor when ritoky started rolling around the thread and tryharding, and trying to solve the game on day 1 is generally a town trait.

eventually, holyflare gives us something:

Show nested quote +
I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.


nothing useful here. just a bunch of useless, generic advice that makes people think youre interested in the town agenda. its really easy to speculate on setup while looking town because it makes people think youre doing stuff. cell is still new so people dont know what to do, so its really easy to throw out cell layout advice and look like youre contributing.

later on he wound up dropping his candidacy because he wasnt "really" running for mayor.

Show nested quote +
Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp


what? what does that even mean? how does that even coincide with his earlier post, where he posted his own artwork and went and bbcoded everything? the reality of it is that he realized someone was running for office based on content and he couldnt keep up with that so he dropped out of the running.

Show nested quote +
bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


obviously it was important enough for you to want to make a giant, well-written albeit empty post about it.

then theres the fact that hes trying to push an agenda of buddying throughout his game, as evidenced here:

Show nested quote +
hahaha odin is so cute <3


Show nested quote +
Dick move analysis suggests everyone that was around at the start of the game is very likely town. GG scum!


Show nested quote +
This is not true. It's a conspiracy to subdue the women, we put genders on our voting forms for "statistical benefit" but the real secret is that we just throw the womens votes in the bin.

True freedom.


http://imgur.com/kdgDGNR

get added to my list, stop being poopy people!


(bonus points here because hes running his platformless mayoral campaign as well)

Show nested quote +
Simply because I do not care to mess with such trivialities as lynch orders when I could be discovering who is mafia! I will listen to what everyone else thinks and we'll make an informed decision based on what everyone has posted.

I am always at maximum hardness which is why I always win.


after rereading a bunch of holyflare's games, the common theme between his scum games is that he pushes an agenda of buddying people and winning votes rather than trying to solve the game. the brevity of his filter looks good from a town point of view, but the reality of it is that hes pushing his agenda under the veneer of being the "big brother" of the thread.

then there are his interactions with cell D:

Show nested quote +
Cell d is literally the shittest group ever in the history of shit cell groups and i said it would be that way and ritoky still ignored it to put an easy free point group at the end.


tbh, i can see where he is coming from here, because none of us have done anything and we sho-

...wait:

Show nested quote +
Yay sloosh stepped up! Now we can actually kill smurf or tambo (smurf smurf smurf, probs tambo)


wat. how is this consistent with his views of a shitty cell D? sloosh does a thing and its fine, but apparently cell d is still a shit group because he doesnt like it apparently.

i dont draw conclusions between unflipped players, but that doesnt really erase the fact that something happened here in terms of how holyflare's demeanor towards cell d, especially when he reacts to my initial (content-loaded) posts earlier in the thread:

Show nested quote +
Well you're not much better. The only contribution after saying you're going to look much more towny is pointing out things that have already been said about your group which contains 2 lurkers. Nothing about the 3 lynches ahead of it and especially nothing about the lynch that is going on today.


OWS posted a case so that means that he doesnt look good. sloosh posts a (shit)case and he "steps up?" wut? this doesnt really make sense when he wants people to do things in their cells only to try to discredit them and the lack of interest in gathering more information in the thread doesnt make sense from a town point of view.

instead, he attempts to throw doubt on someone in a mostly inactive cell before someone else "steps up" with information that doesn't really make sense and then townreads them for it. the townread itself was horrifically inaccurate because misinformation (despite the fact that mz is actually probably mafia) isnt good for the thread because people will just poke holes in terrible cases, or end up following said terrible cases to mislynches.

then there's his reaction to said townread:

Show nested quote +
Why didn't you town read me. QQ.


Boo hoo?


this statement does not indicate trying to explain a poor read. its a justification of a rather poor read by trying to play it off as a joke. HF actually has no idea how to react to this accusation but tries to play it off anyway. its an indication that he knows more than he actually should.

and then theres the entire thirteenth page of his filter which is basically just a load of active lurking to boost his postcount. not good. not necessary. not town.

lynch holyflare when his cell rolls around. kthx.

For someone who seems very set on HF being scum, you don't seem interested in his lynch at all.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 21:19 GMT
#1597
Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 21:26 GMT
#1604
On June 02 2014 06:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:
Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity?

What the fuck kind of logic is this. Holyflare was raging at inactivity as scum in that game where he did this shit before.

Lynch him

Lynch him off meta, sample size 1?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 21:33 GMT
#1610
##Unvote: IAmRobik
##Vote: batsnacks


This is a crap last minute wagon. HolyFlare is town.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 01 2014 21:39 GMT
#1619
On June 02 2014 06:38 Palmar wrote:
batsnacks who's mafia in your cell and who's mafia in future cells.

BTW batsnacks is 100% not mafia. If it's not HF it's robik. batsnacks realized I'm town and it makes no sense to do that if he's mafia.

Trust me, lynch HF, if it's not him, it's Robik.

Please explain.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 02 2014 06:19 GMT
#1733
Palmar, at it's peak, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much did you want to lynch HolyFlare for being scum vs lynch HolyFlare regardless of what he is?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 02 2014 06:24 GMT
#1735
On June 02 2014 15:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:19 slOosh wrote:
Palmar, at it's peak, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much did you want to lynch HolyFlare for being scum vs lynch HolyFlare regardless of what he is?


why did you post this?

It affects my read.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 02 2014 06:31 GMT
#1737
On June 02 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:24 slOosh wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:19 slOosh wrote:
Palmar, at it's peak, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much did you want to lynch HolyFlare for being scum vs lynch HolyFlare regardless of what he is?


why did you post this?

It affects my read.


how?

I'll answer that after Palmar answers.

Who's scum in cell B?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 02 2014 09:51 GMT
#1744
Yea Palmar is most likely town. VE, thoughts on Cell D / E?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 02 2014 09:53 GMT
#1745
And eff I've being playing dota until 5am ... probably gonna wake up super late
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 07:30 GMT
#1767
Replaces in but doesn't do anything.

##Vote: VisceraEyes
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 08:33 GMT
#1771
On June 03 2014 17:27 Palmar wrote:
##Vote tehpoofter

For now, his reasoning for doing shit around the lynch was atrocious.

I'm going to read them both in detail later.

I want to note right now that I'm notoriously bad at reading replacement players so I'll mostly be focusing on WoS and I'd like VE to focus on contributing for days to come.

Also Sloosh's reason for voting VE is awful.

How? He replaces in and immediately becomes inactive? What's town motivation for doing that?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 17:43 GMT
#1793
On June 04 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then again it might be Palmar for the whole "VE might be scum for not thinking I'm suspicious. Not paranoid enough." That reasoning is god-awful and not reasoning I expect from a town-aligned Palmar. Then again, it's not reasoning he's actually like RUNNING with either, so meeehhh. I think it's poof.

This seems extremely forced.

Why do you feel the need to share this?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 19:10 GMT
#1797
On June 04 2014 03:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sooooo. I wanted to be more active today,

Buuutttt. I fractured my foot in 3 places. So hospital, xrays, etc. updatin from my phone

Go me! Sooo

##vote: VE

Why not Palmar?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 20:01 GMT
#1804
VE replaced into a game where he would be alive for 1 cycle max and hasn't done anything.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 22:05 GMT
#1878
Thanks for hosting the game.

I think it is a very interesting setup, but I guess it had the side effect of being unable to punish inactives / lurkers, leading to the game grinding to a halt past the first two cycles.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 03 2014 22:06 GMT
#1882
On June 04 2014 07:05 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:
Thanks for hosting the game.

I think it is a very interesting setup, but I guess it had the side effect of being unable to punish inactives / lurkers, leading to the game grinding to a halt past the first two cycles.

Last game had the same problem. Something is wrong with this setup.

Maybe if you could vote for which cell goes up next every day, mayor picks first cell?
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