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RebirthOfLeGenD
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VayneAuthority
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On May 04 2014 04:13 VayneAuthority wrote: if BH was town he would be drooling all over the thread until deadline so im better with this lynch now, cya in a few days not much to do here. hmm. you know crazy idea. Might want to change your fucking vote then? We have like 6 hours until deadline and we are still 2-3 votes shy of the lynch. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I have to look back at a couple games of his to know for sure but I'm about as null as null could be on him. Austin re: oats No I don't think him not shooting says a great deal; oats is extremely erratic with power use (read: bad) so there could bean y number of reasons Oats didn't shoot. Even if Slam was scum and oats didn't want to shoot him what stopped him from blowing his load and hitting someone else whom people would have been ok with shooting? ( ie someone like gumshoe, RoL, etc) You could be on to something here with the meta read of slam though and that's something I'll try to look into later; I've never really attempted to read slam for real before and I know the amount of trolling impossible-to-read-ness hasn't been as much as usual for him so I want to figure out what that means for sure. It personally gave me a gut town read of him after I calmed down re: the shot but I mean that could just be good scum play from him. | ||
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Foolishness
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JAT: "Foolishness is mafia cause he pushed a bad case on day 1, didn't do anything on day 2 and has strange interactions in a QT with blazinghand" compared with prphlz: "Foolishness is 100% mafia" There's a side note here that I want to bring up. Confirmed mafia oatsmaster was hard after Alakaslam. Oatsmaster had his vote on strongandbig and moved it to Alakaslam shortly after he shot Yamato. On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote: well what the fuck. ##unvote ##vote Slam The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info. Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was. During the rest of day 1 and night 1 Oatsmaster went after Alakaslam. Now I don't find it reasonable for him to push his own mafia buddy like that since 1) he was already voting on a townie and his vote was pretty safe there, 2) why continue to push on Alakaslam during night 1 when he can just push on me/Koshi/someone else who was on the snb lynch (though if you think I'm mafia this argument does not mean anything) and 3) Alakaslam is already going to be under fire from the town for shooting yamato so why add fuel to the fire? The other interesting thing of note is how Oatsmaster goes about it. In that post I quoted above he says about Palmar: "Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was". Yet look at how he tries to justify killing Alakaslam: On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Geript save me!! Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner. I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum On April 28 2014 21:32 Oatsmaster wrote: OH REALLY CALLER? TRAPS? FROM YOU????? Btw the reason why caller is town and Slam is scum is the personalities. Caller is insane. Slam is actually not insanse although he types like it. Out of the blue shot coupled with shitty reasoning. Caller didnt give jack shit reasons. Town aint gonna give a shit, scum gonna try and justify their shot. Literally Alak just got away with fucking murder. I don't think these are the kinds of arguments you make against your own scumbuddy here because nobody else really brought up these specific points. Oatsmaster was really all-in against Alakaslam and I don't see a reason for him to take that stance against his scumbuddy at this point in the game, especially considering that a lot of people have Alakaslam on their scumlist (or at the very least their questionable list). ----- The tl;dr from above is: confirmed mafia Oatsmaster pushed hard on Alakaslam, and I don't thin it's likely for mafia to push mafia like that. And yeah I realize that the rest of the arguments above are on analyzing a mafia player and trying to look at his motives is potentially dangerous and not worthwhile. But the tl;dr that Oatsmaster pushed on Alakaslam is worth something. The thing about blazinghand is this post made at the start of day 2: On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe The issue with this post he made is the following line near the beginning: "I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1". Now keep in mind he does rationalize this thinking in the same post: "Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon". Since Oats is confirmed scum I'm having a difficult time following his train of thought. His reasoning for going after the three he listed is fine and follows what I said. However he's deliberately ignoring confirmed mafia Oatsmaster of which there's already been a long case about (by Austin mostly). Of course, I can kinda understand this given that I did the same thing (except I went after RebirthOfLegend). The problem is that he's deliberately ignoring Oats while I blatantly said in the QT (and possibly the thread) that I'm perfectly happy with lynching Oats. Blazinghand doesn't change his mind about Oats until ~24 hours into day 2 when he says he's happy to lynch Oats here. But he never follows up the Oats read! If you recall on day 1 he actually posted a case on why strongandbig is mafia. Not only that he spent more posts explaining why strongandbig is mafia. At the beginning of day 2 he claims that "[he] could probably successfully make an Oats push" but never does. Instead he pushes gumshoe, says in passing he is okay with lynching Oats and spends the rest of his time defending me as town (which I'm thankful for <3). In the QT he says he's not sure that Oats is mafia but he never added fuel to the fire to ensure his lynch, of which it was perfectly reasonable to expect of him given that at the start of the day he said he would. | ||
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Caller
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Foolishness
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justanothertownie
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WaveofShadow
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I kinda like it. | ||
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prplhz
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austinmcc
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On May 04 2014 06:10 justanothertownie wrote: Why BH over slam? We definitely kill Blazinghand. I still think Foolishness is also mafia but I promise to keep an open mind if BH flips scum. There have been worse posts than that one. More specifically, you had BH/slam/Foolishness all mafia in your reads post last night. If you believe Cephiro, one of slam/BH is town. BH oddly hard-defended Foolishness, Foolishness has decided to vote BH today, blah blah You asked slam to participate, give reads, so we could tell whether he/BH is town. Slam didn't do so. You're set on BH now. What're the connecting thought patterns between those? | ||
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Palmar
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justanothertownie
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Cephiro
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austinmcc
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On May 04 2014 06:38 Cephiro wrote: Mainly because of his response earlier in the day?I'd prefer us to lynch BH first as well. I am quite confident he is the scum out of those two. You seemed kinda meh/scummy on both, anything in particular push you over the edge on BH (or back on slam)? | ||
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justanothertownie
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austinmcc
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On May 04 2014 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: My main problem is just wanting more STUFF in the thread. For a game with post limits, ever since D1 nobody has been getting into big trouble on posting, and there's boatloads of fucking off. It's the weekend, so that's not unnatural, but I'm in favor of less fucking off and just more STUFF in the thread. From both town AND mafia.Like austin your problem seems to be that you find alakaslam scummy - not that you think BH is town, right? Take a look at what BH did and tell me why that's his townplay if you want to convince me. You won't do that by telling me what slam did could potentially be scummy. BH's filter never looks good when I reread it. The ol' "swap to oats, NO WAIT THERE'S AN HOUR LEFT, swap back to SnB!" bit. I'm willing to vote oats ---> D2 starts and oats is scummy but he wants to push gumshoe ----> foolishness is trying to trap me in QT with oats meta, but look how oats is posting here in a different manner than he was posting in a game where he was mafia ---> voting oats for no real reason ---> hey guys, let's shennanies to a random different target is butt. Going straight from gumshoe --> oats because "we're not lynching fool" yesterday, without considering other options (and still later wanting to shennany onto palmar, real or fake). None of it's groovy. There's like, one post that I find pretty townie, but I don't think it's quite on "can't be scum" level. | ||
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Cephiro
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On May 04 2014 06:45 austinmcc wrote: Mainly because of his response earlier in the day? You seemed kinda meh/scummy on both, anything in particular push you over the edge on BH (or back on slam)? Moreso meh on slam than scummy, was considering bh scummy earlier as well. The initial reaction by BH was exactly what I'd expect from a experienced scumplayer going for the best returns play after getting caught. As it didn't work out to the extent he wanted, he toned it down a ton, and went into full "reasonable townthought" style, as most of the players were still preferring him over Slam, it was obvious it would not work with the additional information to my mechanics I provided. There's also no major players strongly trying to push the mislynch, which leads me to believe that the scumteam is in "damage control mode". If alakaslam is the one lynched today and flips town, then obviously any player that pushed for his lynch hard will be under scrutiny. Atm I think that the scumteam is just ditching BH to have the least associations for the days to come. What I consider a very likely possibility is a try at swapping the momentum and wagon back on slam after most eu players are not around and asleep, as the imminent hours and moments before lynch are known to be very unstable. If this is to happen, it will either be performed by a player that is considered fairly town backed up with good reasoning, or then by an ignored player just "going at it". Mind you I'm really tired after today's practice and probably going to sleep soon, but my wish is that we'll stick with the BH lynch today. One more thing that factors a lot into my opinion BH as well is the way he defended foolishness combined with the players he has pushed for lynch and in what manner. And as I mentioned, he was pretty much the person (in my eyes) that vouched for the wagon chance from Oats to snb when the situation was even. | ||
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justanothertownie
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austinmcc
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In the second paragraph above, BH has all of the following thoughts I'm willing to vote Oats D1 for a lynch D2 is starting and Oats is scummy but let's lynch Gumshoe Foolishness is trying to trap me in QT about oats, but I can show that Oats here doesn't look like mafia oats I want gumshoe, but am willing to vote Oats, although I haven't said why him over Fool/RoL/Palmar Hey guys let's shenany onto Palmar The whole consolidation bit is just odd, given that whether he's serious or not about shenanigans, he chose PALMAR as the alternate target he wanted. Yet when looking between Foolishness/RoL/Palmar/Oats, he wants to not lynch Foolishness, wants to lynch Oats, and wants to say nothing about Palmar, when Palmar was kind of a lynch option and had some votes and whatnot. | ||
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