You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 61

On May 04 2014 09:14 Blazinghand wrote:
##donate 5 posts to WoS

Look, I haven't played great, and I've been on the wrong side of the D1 lynch and looked for shenannies on the D2 Lynch. I'll admit it! But when it comes down to it, I've actually been putting in effort to this game. I haven't had amazing reads, but that's all in the past. I could still catch scum here. It'll be even easier if slam is the scum and not ceph.

The level of detail in ceph's claims and the weirdness in his role (though it's consistent with previous ver games) leads me to believe it's a real claim. Like, the whole thing abou this target choices and claim timing make sense because a D4 claim doesn't let him bring more info to the table than a D3 claim and this kind of parity cop, the kind Ver uses, doesn't benefit from anchoring checks. It makes sense.

I'll offer a bit of defense that I think is worthwhile.

1. Foolishness Defense: If I were a scum masoner and not a town masoner, it would not make a lot of sense to recruit Foolishness D1 then hard-defend him. If he's town, scum-me wouldn't want to defend him QUITE so hard. I stuck my neck in the noose with his to get him out, and that's because I really do think the guy is town. If I get lynched for that, at least he's alive and I got something done. I don't see any advantage for me to do this as scum. And if Foolishness is somehow my scumbuddy and I recruited him D1, it would be supremely obvious to my subsequent mason-buddies that he and I were scum together. We've genuinely done good work together. Or at least bounced ideas. Maybe as scum I'd still recruit a town Foolishness and hard defend him, but not like this. Not in a way that turns the entire town against me and makes them want to lynch me before him. You can WIFOM this all you want but really, my hard defenses (like GK that one time I was scum and he was town) as scum don't put my life in danger like this. I'm typically the most valuable member of any scumteam.

2. Oatsmaster stuff: Look, 100% Oats was gonna get lynched. He was the 2ndary wagon D1 and the primary wagon flipped town. His scumbuddies knew that his lynch was inevitable. Yes, I was on the wrong side and had ugly timing on all the Oats wagons. I guarantee you though that as scum I would either hard bus him. The shennanies were weak and shitty, but that's mostly because shenannies rely on lots of little posts and organizing an active town, ideally in a plurality, not majority game. As scum, I would position myself not to look quite so disgusting after an oats flip. Look at me. I'm BH. Do you really think I consider Oats' life ANYWHERE near as valuable as mine? Of course not. As scum, I'd bus him in a heartbeat. I might do it for no reason just to get rid of the guy. He can't be relied on. Now, if I'm scum right now, I could be saying this to throw you off, but if I'm scum 100% I bus oats, not because I think it's some great strat, but because I disdain him. He is trash. He doesn't deserve to share a QT with a god.

You know me. I'm the guy who claims survivor and sticks to it after another guy flips survivor. I'm the guy who talks about emotional breakdowns to get out of the noose. I don't care about my scumteammates, all I care about is winning, and since I'm the best player, that means bussing, not putting myself in the noose to save anyone. Not Foolishness, and certainly not Oats. Really guys, you think I tried to save Oats?

3. Cephiro. Ok, yes, I admit, I was overly suspicious of his claim. But at the time he claimed it, you gotta admit: It was a shit claim. If he was a normal parity cop, those checks would be shit checks and this would be a shit time to claim. He'd be scum. Since he's a Verparity cop, or Verity cop as I call them, then his claim makes sense. But you know who didn't question Ceph's claim? Slam. Slam just accepted it, voted me, and gave away posts. Just like he KNEW that the claim was true, and he KNEW that our alignments are different, because he's scum.

When I'm town, I'm a paranoid motherfucker. I don't trust anyone. I double-check everything. I have been supremely careful about who I let in the QT, and I am pretty sure it's actually all town in there. The only guy who I didn't super check out was this last guy we added, but he's so town it hurts. Look: I doubted the claim, and I did so not cause I'm scum, but because if you were me and in my shoes and that claim came through, looking dodge as fuck, you would question it too. Slam knew the claim was real immediately, because he's scum and knows I'm town. This is my mindset, and it's just how I operate. I don't trust people. You know that about me. You know I'd lie for any reason to win a mafia game, and that's how I view others, and that's how I viewed this claim before the extra deets.

All of these points you're gonna look at and thing "oh BH is saying it though"-- but stop for a minute and take an outside view and look at it objectively. It's not "too scummy to be scum", it's "too strategically ineffective at furthering scum goals to be scum".

I doubt people. I put my neck out for a guy I thought was town (remember, I thought he was town enough to MASON him). I soft-defended a guy who flipped scum, but that guy was Oatsmaster, possibly the most useless player that I don't WoTC. Maybe my mindset seems foreign to you, but those of you who know me:

this aint my scum play.

Vote slam. I'll have an extra 96 hours as conftown, since scum is presumably shooting ceph first. I'll make it worth your while.

On May 04 2014 09:30 justanothertownie wrote:

1. As long as nobody confirms this and there is something brought to the thread about your qt (you don't need to include roles) this defense is invalid. Also you didn't put your life in danger with it. You are on the chopping block mainly because of the cop check. You couldn't know it would turn out this way.
2. WIFOM.

Also your attitude just makes me want to lynch you even more.

On May 04 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:


honestly JAT I have zero respect for you as a human being so not even gonna bother with you

On May 04 2014 09:45 austinmcc wrote:
Anyone in particular pushed you in a scummy manner? Defended you in a scummy manner?

On May 04 2014 09:47 Blazinghand wrote:


I'll leave some instructions behind for my QT brothers that they can use. Ultimately, I shouldn't be drawing associative tells between unflipped players anyways

On May 04 2014 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Thanks for the input VE. And here I thought you'd be playing this game.
Also Caller, he did claim. I feel like you knew that already though, so any particular reason why you posted that?

Alright I'm out so I don't waste more posts. People can comment on stuff I've posted or not. Whatevs. BH slotted to die and I'm still fine with that atm.

On May 02 2014 23:27 gumshoe wrote:
In all seriousness gonna take a hard look at slam and Bh today, Out of the three variables I'm pretty sure Ceph is town, because parity cop is a singular role, ie it's unlikely scum would claim it because if there is a par cop counter it's pretty clear that one is scum.

I read Bh as town so far and I've read Slam as Slam / : so not too keen on lynching either of them, but yeah somethings gotta give between the two.

On May 04 2014 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
LIKE YOU MUST NOT BE READ YOU DBZ

Y U NO

LIKE U KNOW ME

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gimme post if you want me talk. So far all my defense is wtf have I even done except the shot and try to clear up misunderstanding surrounding the shot?

Like what?