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On May 01 2014 01:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On May 01 2014 00:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Other than the incorrect claim that it's a crap shoot nobody had any real objections to lynching gun eight Yes, yes it is a crapshoot. If you have a gun feel free to shoot gumshoe - maybe I will even do it - but today we are lynching foolishness. Get on the wagon. Lynch of justice yada yada. I want to see more votes on Foolishness! Foolishness really is not scum. I'm in a mason qt with him and with few exceptions he has been helpful and honest. Even better he has pushed me to develop and clarify my reads. He asks questions and shares thoughts and ideas. Foolishness has put more work into solving this game than any of you jub jubs. Why not lynch one of the many scummy people like Gumshoe instead of the helpful foolishness?
Foolishness has not been helpful at all. He made made a bad case on SnB day1 and that's basically it.
Other than that he came up with a illogical theory about the day1 lynch and directly contradicted himself by elaborating on how mafia didn't care about the lynch while one of them (oats) was the realistic counterwagon.
He went at me after I had called him out for that and did not even read the post he quoted completely. But he still wrote a giant ass post about it. If he was town and really thought about it he would have noticed that I actually wrote that I wanted to lynch him in that post already.
Sandroba told us to lynch him. We are not talking about a usual read here - he was literally 100 % sure Foolishness is scum.
BH is also scum and defending him.
We are lynching Foolishness.
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Blazinghand
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What really seals the deal for me with "Foolishness is Scum" is this. Foolishness and I during D1 were hanging out in the !T being biffles. About an hour before the lynch, we're discussing various candidates and Foolishness said he had a meta read on Oatsmaster. He asked me to compare Oats post here as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?page=11#216 with Oats most here in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?page=9#166
What's important to see here is that these posts are actually very different. They both begin with a one-liner and have two paragraphs, but they represent different playstyles. In one, Oats is meta-ey, and in the other he talks about mindset and stuff. Basically, I'm pretty sure Foolishness was planting this as a trap to see if I would accept bad reasoning about Oatsmaster, and when I rejected it, he quickly moved on. In other words: even though we were productive, Fool was subtle trying to catch me out in case I was scum, and evaluate my chops. I can tell you that this is just one of many times we compared evidence. If I were scum, and also not quite as observant and talented as I am (since I am the #1 player on Tl Mafia) it might have even worked. Most people on this forum underestimate me or think I'm joking when I say I'm th ebest, and Foolishness probably bought into that when he tried to trick me like this.
The point isn't whether or not I'm the best (though I am), the point is the fact that Foolishness was willing to go through all this effort means he must be town trying to solidify his read on me. I can't at all see how he could be scum.
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Blazinghand
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Look, I'm not saying "don't lynch Foolishness ever" or anything, because he's a savvy player and it's possible I GUESS that he did this all as scum and just runs like several levels of meta deeper than me and predicted my moves. But I'd really be shocked if I got hoodwinked so bad. Most people just simply aren't on-my-level enough to do it. Even Fool. Why are we even thinking about lynching a guy who's actively like making reads and trying to figure out the game? We should at LEAST start with the scummy people.
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On May 01 2014 01:33 Blazinghand wrote:What really seals the deal for me with "Foolishness is Scum" is this. Foolishness and I during D1 were hanging out in the !T being biffles. About an hour before the lynch, we're discussing various candidates and Foolishness said he had a meta read on Oatsmaster. He asked me to compare Oats post here as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?page=11#216 with Oats most here in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?page=9#166What's important to see here is that these posts are actually very different. They both begin with a one-liner and have two paragraphs, but they represent different playstyles. In one, Oats is meta-ey, and in the other he talks about mindset and stuff. Basically, I'm pretty sure Foolishness was planting this as a trap to see if I would accept bad reasoning about Oatsmaster, and when I rejected it, he quickly moved on. In other words: even though we were productive, Fool was subtle trying to catch me out in case I was scum, and evaluate my chops. I can tell you that this is just one of many times we compared evidence. If I were scum, and also not quite as observant and talented as I am (since I am the #1 player on Tl Mafia) it might have even worked. Most people on this forum underestimate me or think I'm joking when I say I'm th ebest, and Foolishness probably bought into that when he tried to trick me like this. The point isn't whether or not I'm the best (though I am), the point is the fact that Foolishness was willing to go through all this effort means he must be town trying to solidify his read on me. I can't at all see how he could be scum.
Wow, what a great defense. You don't even address a single point brought up against him. All you give us is this story about how protown both of you have been in your qt. I don't know if you really are masons and I don't really care that much tbh. since it doesn't tell us anything about your alignment. One question though - where you in the qt from the start (only the 2 of you)?
As long as you 2 are not town/useful in the THREAD I call bullshit on your story about 2 townheros figuring each other out.
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Blazinghand
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JAT if you had any points worth addressing, trust me, I'd address them, but honestly you're not even on my level. I don't even know how I'd really communicate with you, it would be like a man trying to speak with a donkey
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Blazinghand
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And by that I mean you're the donkey
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Blazinghand
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One of the two of us is a Mason Recruiter. We began speaking at the start of D1, and have continued to do so. There's a 3rd person in the QT who was added for D2. You're a donkey.
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We will see about that when he flips. I am done with this - you are not presenting arguments you just call me names and tell us how great you are (I remember the last time you were a mason btw. - best player NA...).
To everyone else: Read BHs posts. See that he doesn't raise a single point for foolishness being town that does not depend on their supposed qt experience (which we cannot check). Lynch Foolishness now and BH tomorrow.
afk
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Blazinghand
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Read JAT's posts and try not to shit yourself over how infantile his logic is.
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Blazinghand
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I'd say, by the way, that me claiming masonry with the guy and pointing out that he's said stuff to me in the mason QT that underlies a real thought process is absolutely alignment-indicative. I'm not telling you who the third guy is for important reasons but he can definitely corroborate.
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FACT: We nearly no lynched yesterday, due both to lack of candidates AND time zones causing us trouble late.
FACT: Our current votes look like this:On April 30 2014 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count: Foolishness (4) - Koshi, prplhz, justanothertowie, Palmar Palmar (2) - Ace, VisceraEyes VayneAuthority (0) - Caller, AlakaslamGumshoe (1) - Blazinghand Blazinghand (1) - WaveofShadow Visceraeyes (1) - Caller, AlakaslamOatsmaster (2) - Gumshoe, austinmcc RebirthOfLegend (2) - Foolishness, tehpoofter OdinOfPergo (1) - Alakaslam Day ends in . There are 19 players alive, and it takes 10 to lynch.
FACT: Nobody has even 1/2 a majority.
FACT: There are mafia in this game and they don't want us to lynch mafia.
OPINION: We should start consolidating. Specifically- BH, you're the ONLY Gumshoe voter. If you're in a QT with Foolishness, you guys BOTH find a lynch you like, and BOTH vote that guy. Stop splitting off, and you KNOW that town isn't going to lynch Gumshoe D2 when he's always hyperafk and there are so many people that so many people find actively scummy.
- Alakaslam, nobody else is voting Odin. Nobody has discussed Odin as mafia. You need to consolidate your vote onto someone else.
- Caller, nobody has joined you all D2 on VE except slam. VE has gained no traction, despite doing jack squat.
- WoS, see all the above.
A rough list of - Foolishness
- Palmar
- Oatsmaster
- RoL
seems to provide everyone with something? It's highly unlikely all 4 of those are town. Moreover, there are some splits there. Foolishness pushes RoL and hard defends Palmar, RoL attacks Palmar, Foolishness sorta finds Oats mafia maybeish. Blah blah.
I PERSONALLY still want to lynch Oats. I'm still suspicious of Foolishness, but between letting someone who is posting sometimes in thread and apparently posting in a QT live, vs. letting someone live who actually is just doing nothing, I'd much rather keep the Foolishness alive than the Oats. Sorry Oats.
I PERSONALLY don't want to lynch RoL. I gave some reasons when asked (maybe by JAT?), but also the push on him from Foolishness makes me shy away even more. Foolishness's cases have not resonated with me this game like they have in recent ones.
ANYWAY. SEEING AS WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE GLOBE AND WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D1 AND WE'RE HAVING LOTS OF TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D2, WE REALLY NEED TO START CONSOLIDATING.
DOES ANYONE THINK THAT THE ABOVE LIST OF OPTIONS IS PARTICULARLY BAD? NONE OF THOSE 4 ARE MAFIA? THERE'S SOMEONE WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST ABOVE A BUNCH OF OTHERS, AND THAT SOMEONE HAS GOTTEN SCUMREAD BY MULTIPLE FOLKS, MAKING THEM A REALISTIC LYNCH CANDIDATE?
CUZ OTHERWISE, WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE 1/4 CYCLE AND EVEN IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRAILS WE'RE NOT DOING WELL WITH OUR VOTING.
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Alakaslam need vig Alakaslam need vig Alakaslam need vig
Yarr
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Well nobody reads his filter.
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Blazinghand
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On May 01 2014 02:14 austinmcc wrote:WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEFACT: We nearly no lynched yesterday, due both to lack of candidates AND time zones causing us trouble late. FACT: Our current votes look like this: Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count: Foolishness (4) - Koshi, prplhz, justanothertowie, Palmar Palmar (2) - Ace, VisceraEyes VayneAuthority (0) - Caller, AlakaslamGumshoe (1) - Blazinghand Blazinghand (1) - WaveofShadow Visceraeyes (1) - Caller, AlakaslamOatsmaster (2) - Gumshoe, austinmcc RebirthOfLegend (2) - Foolishness, tehpoofter OdinOfPergo (1) - Alakaslam Day ends in . There are 19 players alive, and it takes 10 to lynch. FACT: Nobody has even 1/2 a majority. FACT: There are mafia in this game and they don't want us to lynch mafia. OPINION: We should start consolidating. Specifically - BH, you're the ONLY Gumshoe voter. If you're in a QT with Foolishness, you guys BOTH find a lynch you like, and BOTH vote that guy. Stop splitting off, and you KNOW that town isn't going to lynch Gumshoe D2 when he's always hyperafk and there are so many people that so many people find actively scummy.
- Alakaslam, nobody else is voting Odin. Nobody has discussed Odin as mafia. You need to consolidate your vote onto someone else.
- Caller, nobody has joined you all D2 on VE except slam. VE has gained no traction, despite doing jack squat.
- WoS, see all the above.
A rough list of - Foolishness
- Palmar
- Oatsmaster
- RoL
seems to provide everyone with something? It's highly unlikely all 4 of those are town. Moreover, there are some splits there. Foolishness pushes RoL and hard defends Palmar, RoL attacks Palmar, Foolishness sorta finds Oats mafia maybeish. Blah blah. I PERSONALLY still want to lynch Oats. I'm still suspicious of Foolishness, but between letting someone who is posting sometimes in thread and apparently posting in a QT live, vs. letting someone live who actually is just doing nothing, I'd much rather keep the Foolishness alive than the Oats. Sorry Oats. I PERSONALLY don't want to lynch RoL. I gave some reasons when asked (maybe by JAT?), but also the push on him from Foolishness makes me shy away even more. Foolishness's cases have not resonated with me this game like they have in recent ones. ANYWAY. SEEING AS WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE GLOBE AND WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D1 AND WE'RE HAVING LOTS OF TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D2, WE REALLY NEED TO START CONSOLIDATING. DOES ANYONE THINK THAT THE ABOVE LIST OF OPTIONS IS PARTICULARLY BAD? NONE OF THOSE 4 ARE MAFIA? THERE'S SOMEONE WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST ABOVE A BUNCH OF OTHERS, AND THAT SOMEONE HAS GOTTEN SCUMREAD BY MULTIPLE FOLKS, MAKING THEM A REALISTIC LYNCH CANDIDATE? CUZ OTHERWISE, WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE 1/4 CYCLE AND EVEN IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRAILS WE'RE NOT DOING WELL WITH OUR VOTING.
Fair enough. I'm down like a clown with lynching Oats. I think we've given Palmar plenty of time and he hasn't delivered, as well. RoL is a fine lynch but honestly I've learned not to expect much from him. The foolishness lynch is, well, utter foolishness.
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Hey slam.
On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why?
I read your filter. I donated you posts yesterday so you could explain yoseff a little more. I see your OOP scumread, and I don't share your thoughts because while you say he's getting outside info or something, it reads to me like he's just flailing around and making stuff up ---> Ace shot people, etc. etc. If someone outside the thread is telling him that things happened when they didn't...well then the scumteam is already going down in flames.
Are you willing to consolidate? Our of the 4 dudes above, anyone in PARTICULAR you want to lynch/don't want to lynch?
p.s. seriously, you know I'm interested in oats. Plox to answer question?
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On May 01 2014 02:22 austinmcc wrote:Hey slam. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why? I read your filter. I donated you posts yesterday so you could explain yoseff a little more. I see your OOP scumread, and I don't share your thoughts because while you say he's getting outside info or something, it reads to me like he's just flailing around and making stuff up ---> Ace shot people, etc. etc. If someone outside the thread is telling him that things happened when they didn't...well then the scumteam is already going down in flames. Are you willing to consolidate? Our of the 4 dudes above, anyone in PARTICULAR you want to lynch/don't want to lynch? p.s. seriously, you know I'm interested in oats. Plox to answer question?
Well
Oats b lurkin so yeah.
I would say this I can do.
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AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again...
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I havebeen kusplaining why it b really pretty hard to be arsed for this, it is often like if I put out an opinion folks will actually use that as an auxiliary to why someone who agrees should be lynched.
So in reply town gets " o well  then "
And even then
I post a huge dblue bold caps saying LOOK GUYS THIS IS WHY I IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT OF ME?
And I hear "
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Besides lynch foolishness no don't lynch foolishness wait what?
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So I "ok but I don't quit"
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On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again...
That's really scummy, scummy enough to vote for
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Hi everyone!
So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro.
Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did.
Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo.
Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response:
On April 29 2014 07:07 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:On April 29 2014 07:01 Cephiro wrote:
Mason group please recruit me. That's all for tonight. You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around.
No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more.
My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.
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