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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 26 2014 20:51 Ace wrote: Palmar, wouldn't make more sense for us to lynch Caller, not shoot him? Probably, but I don't really care. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Vote Caller I am voting Caller because what Caller has done so far points at him being scum. He has fired a pretty much random nuke 10 posts into the game at someone who didn't post yet and you could not reasonably expect to have posted yet. It's a completely random nuke. We all agree that Caller is sometimes a little off but we also agree that he's a smart guy. And smart guys don't do this if they are town because there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. I think that Caller is scum who thought "Fuck it, I'll nuke somebody and hide behind my crazy reputation" because that's much more likely than Caller being town and thinking "Fuck it". It seems like everybody is second guessing themselves on the Caller issue. @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. @BlazingHand @Oatsmaster Please explain why you think Caller is town. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
To start off with, it is very unlikely that'll be online at a single deadline of this game, unless I decide to stay up super late or force myself out of bed super early. (6 AM) Caller's shot is shit if town. Reasonable if scum. +VE for the quick vote incase of KP Palmar -> Retribution -geript for overreacting post. Stupid move by caller, I agree. I think that's obvious to everyone in this game. Why bother writing up about it so much? He's used up his power = Votes on him are a waste as they can't disable potential other threats during the day. Also even if you wanted Caller to be lynched (which I am not against, as a matter of fact), there's no reason to start a discussion on the nuking event, something obviously so stupid it should be lynched for. -> Save posts for other issues that may come up that aren't as clear + don't bait others into arguing with your posts / opinions and waste their posts on that. On April 26 2014 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: I honestly don't see how this says anything about caller's alignment. If you really thought that caller was scum blatantly shooting someone geript you wouldn't feel the need to write such a long paragraph justifying such a simple thought. Caller is just Caller and you're just scum. Scum who is overexplaining cause he knows he's lying ##vote geript Bad. I dislike geript's post as well, but the angle blazinghand approaches it from ticks me off. Instantly calling geript scum for that? Possible. But soft-defending Caller with a stance that lets you hop on either side of the train if necessary? Just as bad. VE wasting posts, bad. BH pointing it out, good. BH reasoning for why no vote on Palmar, bad. If Palmar went yolo and decided to take this shot if he had one, do you really think he'd at this point of the game have anything reasonable to base his decision on? More accurately, something that others don't? Doubt so. BH bad. Alakaslam I'm not even trying to read for now, waste of time. Geript's follow-up post, both good and bad. Good logic, bad reasoning. Forget about the policy lynches. If someone did a stupid thing yet manages to prove he/she's town, then there's no point in lynching that person. If we lynch Caller, it's because we think he is scum because of what he did + other possible factors. End. Oats completely unnecessary and stupid post. I like VE, for everything else except townreading Caller for what he's provided so far. OoP makes sense, even if I don't agree with everything he says they're reasonably argumented for. Koshi: How does he know there is a traitor? Unless he simply pointed out that he's one and wants to be recruited. Scumbag. Palmar's play is more likely to come from scum imo. I'd say just ignore him and let him die to the nuke. I'm not gonna let one player decide on what everyone else does. WoS's assumption is reasonable. Assuming nuke to be real as it was posted by a mod. (@ Ace) Good pointout about how lynching would be better than shooting, yet Palmar doesn't care. @prp: You are forbidden from using a day kill ability if you are the highest vote lynch candidate (if this changes you may then shoot). Good questions by prp, also his thoughts on Caller are almost the same as mine. Conclusion: VE > OoP > Ace > prp > WoS (Townish-scale, most to least) Koshi > alakaslam (Neutral) (townier to scummier) Caller > Palmar > blazinghand > geript (Scummysh scale, most to least) Not interested in asking specific questions at certain players yet. Neither chit-chatting. If there is a mason, I'd like to be recruited. IDGAF which alignment you are if there is one, recruit me anyway. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this. Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote: You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/ Oh and I just realized something else. Why would callers nuke not be real? The roles are listed and it was modconfirmed. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 15 2014 04:45 Ver wrote: There is a Traitor I think that for now we should assume that the nuke is real. If it is fake then I think someone (Caller) is going to tell us at some point (along with an explanation of why he thought firing it was a good idea, something I'd like him to provide anyway). @Ace What do you think of this nuke thing? On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote: You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/ This post makes it look like you don't think it's real but why do you think that? What do you think we should do about it right now? Also, I'm a little scared and a lot curious what Palmar thinks he can do in ~20 posts that will ruin the game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 26 2014 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: No, trading 1 for 1 is dumb and stupid for scum either way. Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this. Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit. I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit you mean like this game | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
So you're admitting that what you did was exceedingly dumb? My out for you was pretty much that you explained why what you did was town motivated but instead you're going with the "Look at me, I'm crazy Caller doing crazy stuff! Don't lynch me when I nuke random people for no reason, I'm just that crazy!"-defense and as I already said, I don't buy that. You didn't play in that game, you hosted that game. No idea where you're going with this but it seems that you're not giving two fucks about this game, more scum points for you. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
## vote Caller | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also, no flipping isn't exactly going to be something the Scum team is worried about. It hurts the Town far more. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 27 2014 00:06 Ace wrote: @Oats: Caller wouldn't be trading himself 1 for 1 if he thinks he can get away with it. Caller firing off a nuke fits right in with his behavior of doing random dumb shit. Problem is he can do this as any alignment, and would more than likely get away with it too. Also, no flipping isn't exactly going to be something the Scum team is worried about. It hurts the Town far more. Do you think Caller thinks he can get away with it with players like you and Foolishness in the game? I don't buy that if he's scum he makes a play like that. It's exceedingly dumb regardless of his alignment, but in a terribly bad way if he's scum. Do you think Caller is terribly bad? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 26 2014 21:20 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. The street goes both ways prplhz - you don't get to make a statement about the importance of people answering others' questions and then not read their posts before asking questions. As I've explained, I don't think Caller makes that shot as scum. Palmar is a relatively popular player and shooting him before he speaks draws a SHIT TON of attention to him right out of the gates...and with players like Ace/Foolishness/VE in the game I just don't see a scum Caller thinking he can get away with it. As for your first question, read the OP. The leading vote-getter does not get to use day-vigging abilities, and if we decide that we think Palmar is scum (which based on his /last/ few posts is a very real possibility) then leaving our votes on him until later in the day could prevent Palmar from using his power (assuming there's some sort of limitation as to how late in the day one can shoot - I have no knowledge of such a restriction, but it's reasonable.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 26 2014 14:47 geript wrote: ##Vote Caller There's lots of amounts of stupid that I can deal with; well maybe not lots, but that's beside the point. But either fake nuking or real nuking idk 4 hours into a game means you don't care about the game whatsoever. If Caller is town, this is 100% unacceptable especially since Day Vig powers are no-flip. On top of this, Palmer's best day is day 1; why in the fuck if Caller was town would he give Palmer any incentive to just fuck off like that. Like it's a complete crapshoot to think that this would "incentivize" Palmer to read/analyze/whatever over just saying "fuck this game." I know that Caller is known for some pretty fucked up games and as far as I know he's not a half bad player. This play is just fucking ridiculous; if you don't want to play, then don't play. But if you're going to pull bullshit like this, then we're going to fucking lynch you for it. If this isn't real, then we'll find out but I see no reason not to lynch the fuck out of Caller as of right now. 2 My initial reaction is definitely to nod along with this. On April 26 2014 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: I honestly don't see how this says anything about caller's alignment. If you really thought that caller was scum blatantly shooting someone geript you wouldn't feel the need to write such a long paragraph justifying such a simple thought. Caller is just Caller and you're just scum. Scum who is overexplaining cause he knows he's lying ##vote geript I don't agree. In a game with a jillion dayvigs analyzing the use of dayvig shots is actually significant. Plus, do you actually disagree with his analysis? Or just with his post length? On April 26 2014 14:54 VisceraEyes wrote: If Caller is scum someone like Foolishness or Ace dies if they're town not Palmar. This is a good point though. Not voting caller despite mostly agreeing with On April 26 2014 15:02 Blazinghand wrote: VE, be more careful with your posts. They don't grow on trees! Slam, keep on posting, the sooner you use yours up, the better. VE: I understand what you're saying about Palmar, but I do not think it likely he will flip scum. I don't think it's a good policy to just maxvote anyone with a nuke on them because thye MIGHT be scum and shoot someone. If there's anyone I'd trust as town to actually make a non-shit shot, also (besides myself, who never misses) it would be palmar. I'd rather place my vote on geript. Suck it. I like this post too.... How do so many ppl be making so much sense? On April 26 2014 15:45 Caller wrote: ##Vote: Visceraeyes #rekt Ok I never thought I would be agreeing with caller so early but here we are... VE just feels scummy here. At what point do we start calling alakazam scum for wasting his posts spamming so he doesn't have to contribute? Posting now cause my phone is getting wet and I don't want to accidentally delete stuff. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What caller is doing if hes scum is totally outing himself, wasting his nuke on someone he has no idea is gonna play or not and essentially trading himself 1 for 1 especially with so much kp in the game someone is gonna shoot him. So fucking stupid it cant be scum. That is a legit heuristic. I could see scumCaller doing this day 2/3 but not now man come on. Also Palmar is not acting in a town-like fashion so yeah, evidence suggests that Caller is town and we dont kill townies. Get your votes off him and onto geript/Ace/All the promoters of Caller scum. I prefer geript though, Ace could be this boneheaded as town. | ||
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