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I'm saying the same things over and over because I'm responding directly to people asking me questions without reading my posts. Overwrought? How? That was in direct response to geript diatribe about Caller. If you want to lynch Caller then explain how it is more likely he makes that shot as scum. The best argument is that he's more likely to "get away with" the shot on Palmar than on stronger players but that doesn't make it any more likely than him making the shot as town.
I'm among the only players actually taking a stance on the matter also and if you think Caller it's scum then me having an opinion on it at all along with my activity should cause you to at least look elsewhere for scum. When I get to a computer I will read up and comment on people who aren't Caller/Palmar, though it would be super awesome if a few more people weighed in on stuff before I do.
VE is obviously town. Think about someone else.
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On April 26 2014 20:40 Ace wrote: You guys believing Caller's nuke is real? :/ Not really tbh. The description says it will land 24 hours after it was shot. The description of America in the OP says nukes land at lynch time.
On April 27 2014 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can see a town motivation for Caller shooting Palmar before he speaks if Caller doesn't value Palmar's town-contributions - call it a policy-lynch on crack. I can NOT see a scum motivation aside from "Well surely someone will defend me because this is so mind-numbingly stupid" - and I don't like making the assumption that scum are playing really really really poorly. I reserve that assumption for town typically. I don't see any town motivation for this if the nuke is real.
I propose the following: We ignore this shit until the nuke lands/is supposed to land. If it does and Palmar dies we kill Caller. So Palmar, if you are town I suggest you don't do whatever anti-town stuff you got in mind because it doesn't make the nuke not land on you and it doesn't make any difference if we kill caller before or after you die.
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If the nuke is real then Caller probably isn't America if I understand the OP correctly. If that's the case he is probably scum and we should get rid of him.
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There are no roles that provide fake nukes. Setup is semi-closed. Re: palmar he is softing pardoner. What we will do is we will lynch caller. If palmer pardons him he is claiming scum. If he is town and wants to ruin the game by pardoning caller it is simply illogical and there is nothing we can do about that.
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On April 27 2014 03:25 sandroba wrote: There are no roles that provide fake nukes. Setup is semi-closed. Re: palmar he is softing pardoner. What we will do is we will lynch caller. If palmer pardons him he is claiming scum. If he is town and wants to ruin the game by pardoning caller it is simply illogical and there is nothing we can do about that. I agree.
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Ah, wait. So there are no extra scum roles besides the ones that are listed in the OP? In that case this is just weird. But I see no detailed role description so who knows if there are fake nukes.
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Well, this game is pretty uninteresting.
I guess the only choice IS to lynch caller, really.
##vote: caller
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Here's where I'm at:
Alakaslam-- + Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 12:49 getmoript wrote: The read on Slam changed after having time to reread his filter. The read on Slam used to be: Is he having fun, if yes then town. But that's really an incomplete explanation. Slam subjectively has more fun playing mafia than he does as town. The difference is that as mafia he doesn't want to be lynched. As town, I don't think he cares. As town, he allows himself to be carefree so that he can enjoy playing. As scum, he doesn't because that's what gets him lynched. The two posts I've quoted, show off that carefree attitude. In these posts he's allowing himself to post whatever the fuck he's thinking; it's just him posting. That's town for him. Reading Slam is pretty simple, I think he's pretty obviously town here for anyone who's played with him before. BTW You have 8 posts left by my count. You must now stop doing fun shit and make posts about who you think is what and why
Oats--So I've pretty much owned Scum!Oats everytime I've seen him. I have a really good read on him and I'm pretty sure he's town here. Basically, as town he's more aggressive and offensive than he is as scum. He also lets himself be more "free" and will follow whatever dumb idea pops into his head.
Sandroba--As far as I can recall, I've only seen Scum!Sandroba. This just feels very different. It's not a strong read but it's one I feel good about.
VE--I really don't get his townread on Caller. His point to stack votes on Palmer only makes sense if Palmer is mafia and not town; if Palmer's town and shoots Caller in retribution, then whatever. That would let us get on with trying to solve the game. I really don't see why Scum!Caller shoots Ace/Foolishness over Palmer. IDK. Like he knows that I have a harder time correctly reading people who townread me and his post on me bugs me. I really want to say I have a townread on VE but I just can't explain said read to myself at all.
Palmer--He's playing Dota. I rolled town. He's promising to fuck up the game if Caller doesn't die. Regardless of his actual alignment he's clearly scum here.
Koshi--This one takes a bit but first off:
On April 26 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure things changed in the OP so people should read it. There is a traitor and I am not mafia. Very sad. I will be traitor hunting. For funzies. On the side. No mad pls. Alakaslam townread. I better not second guess that for sanity. Geript scumread. I dont know why he said I am town. I also dont want to lynch caller after reading his posts. Which seems to be the reason for his posts because he uses many words in his posts. Ver, I am town. I totes would never lie to you. No town heroes in this game yet. Odin I dont know about. But he might make sense. Also might not and is opportunistic. Palmar can you tell me what your alignment &role is? I do not believe caller shooting nuke makes him town. Not at all.
I am another 10 hours limited to phoneposting.
On April 26 2014 12:27 geript wrote: Frist. Also I'm going to go ahead and say that Koshi, Wave and Palmer are probably all scum. Just saying. For the most part this player list looks damn awesome.
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On April 26 2014 13:59 Caller wrote:Who the hell are you guys? #Nuke almar
On April 26 2014 15:22 Caller wrote: Geript are you trying to tell everybody that you have nukes, or are you just a bad player?
On April 26 2014 15:45 Caller wrote: ##Vote: Visceraeyes
#rekt First off, I didn't ever call Koshi town. Hell I was even half joking when I called Koshi scum. Like what's weird about it here is that Koshi's posting this like up to that point Caller had posted anything significant. Koshi doesn't have an explicable read on Caller. More importantly, look at how Koshi approaches it again:
On April 26 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote: Geript scumread. I dont know why he said I am town. I also dont want to lynch caller after reading his posts. Which seems to be the reason for his posts because he uses many words in his posts. I do not believe caller shooting nuke makes him town. Not at all. So he doesn't want to lynch Caller, but he's also not calling him town. This is an exceptionally odd and conflicting stance to take in the situation. I don't think he's town and I don't want to lynch him. This just looks like he's hipster scum knowing that Palmer will flip red and wants to come out on the right side of things but willing to just let shit happen as it will.
Koshi also doesn't feel like he's having enough fun in this game for him to be town. Like when I've seen town!koshi, he does shit to entertain himself. He keeps things a bit interesting. He keeps things moving forward or in the least moving; he's constantly poking and analyzing. Nothing of what he's done so far has done any of that. I think Koshi's a great lynch/shot.
Caller--Honestly who the fuck knows. We still have to lynch him for this shit though.
Wave--His post + Show Spoiler [Here] +On April 26 2014 20:33 WaveofShadow wrote: In before: Palmar and Caller both scum, Palmar is scum martyr to make us waste shit on Caller and think he's town or some shit. Or pardoner or something.
Also hai guys. Am town and bored. Feels very off for him to me. My read on him isn't solid and isn't as good as it used to be. I can't put my finger on it, but how Wave is approaching this feels very off to me. I think it's because Wave should realize that the scenario he's proposed makes literally zero sense and I think Wave would've thought the scenario out more.
Cephiro--Be sure to keep him active. Lynch the fuck out of him if his big post is his only or primary contribution for today.
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On April 27 2014 03:25 sandroba wrote: There are no roles that provide fake nukes. Setup is semi-closed. Re: palmar he is softing pardoner. What we will do is we will lynch caller. If palmer pardons him he is claiming scum. If he is town and wants to ruin the game by pardoning caller it is simply illogical and there is nothing we can do about that.
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What motivation does scum have to launch a nuke at each other and then pardon?
Therefore both can't be scum. But you say I we lynch caller, scum Palmar will pardon him- why the hell why?
What assurance do you have that Caller is scum? Because if he is not, he is the wrong lynch, just like most of us.
Only a scum lynch is an acceptable lynch. Yet you are advocating strange policy stuff that I can't see eye to eye with for the life of me.
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stirring shit up worked about as well as expected
1. Ace \o/ but leaning scum 2. Foolishness \o/ 3. Sandroba probably town 4. Caller \o/ 5. Palmar \o/ 6. VE scum 7. prplhz probably town 8. koshi leaning scum 9. yamato probably town 10. vayneauthority \o/ 11. rebirthoflegend should lynch this guy anyways 12. Cephiro \o/ 13. alakaslam probably town 14. waveofshadow \o/ 15. strongandbig \o/ 16. odinofpergo scum 17. oatsmaster i refuse to believe he is not scum but i don't have any reason for it 18. Blazinghand \o/ 19. tehpoofter \o/ 20. Justanothertownie probably town 21. Geript town with nukes and/or daykill 22. Gumshoe \o/ 23. austinmcc \o/
by the way that's a kebab nuke, ain't no way that's going off
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now that i think about it ace probably has kebab nukes also
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On April 27 2014 00:59 prplhz wrote: Palmar's alignment doesn't even matter.
You don't join a game thinking "I'll fuck this up good". You just don't do that. Even if you're a lunatic, Chezinu or Alakaslam, you join thinking "I'll catch some scum, I'll do good, I'll be a good townie" but that's not what he's doing. I get the "too dumb to be scum" argument but it doesn't apply here. That argument applies when people do stuff like having a dumb scum reads. For example "he's scum for posting a smiley" or something like that, and it's not really "too dumb to be scum" it's "too paranoid not to be town". This is too dumb to be town because no one would ever do this as town, ever.
You're in for a surprise.
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On April 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote: VE talking so much about this Caller business because VE is scum and he enjoys talking about something he is right on. I am extremely bored btw. You people should entertain me more. Smart man.
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i don't particularly enjoy surprises can i get a heads up or something
happy bday
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On April 27 2014 03:18 justanothertownie wrote: I propose the following: We ignore this shit until the nuke lands/is supposed to land. If it does and Palmar dies we kill Caller. So Palmar, if you are town I suggest you don't do whatever anti-town stuff you got in mind because it doesn't make the nuke not land on you and it doesn't make any difference if we kill caller before or after you die.
I'm town.
I will play anti-town if Caller doesn't die.
Tick tock.
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geript is probably town too.
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i wasn't talking about you btw, i was talking about caller in the second paragraph
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Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros.
##Unvote ##Vote: Caller
Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
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On April 27 2014 05:46 prplhz wrote: i wasn't talking about you btw, i was talking about caller in the second paragraph
My bad then.
Also, saving some posts tbh, in case someone actually grows balls and shoots caller so I'd have to start actually playing. So I'm checking out after this one unless something important comes up.
Tick tock
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WoW Koshi totes town guys. geript, I thought you called me town but seems like you called me scum. Anyway I dont umderstamd why I am in your list thatsl's all.
Also that case on Koshi isnt enjoying himself so he is scum is sooooooo boring. Every other game somebody brings that shit up. Sometimes scummers. So. You scummer? Scummy point for you anyway. The part about me not knowing who to lynch between Palmar and Caller because palmar will turn red and I want to look good is reaching tbh. Association case so early in the game??? Another scumpoint. Pls geript. If you are scum you made a big mistake. I dont back off from people who call me scum. You are now closely followed.
To Caller. Why am I scum?
To Palmar. If I could I would totes kill Caller now.
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