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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 00:08 GMT
#201
I was directly asked to explain my previous actions, so I thought it polite to do so

At the moment I would have to say that I want to lynch LaughingJack. This is based on a single sentence that jumped out at me when I read it.

On November 01 2013 03:25 Laughing Jack wrote:
And that was because you didn't type it with any conclusion in mind.


To me, if someone does not have a conclusion in mind when they start a post it is because they are lacking either information or motivation. This makes them more likely to be town. LaughingJack thinks that makes someone more likely to be scum. Therefore, I would say that LaughingJack did have a conclusion in mind when he wrote that post, which is that he wanted to call JJD scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#202
On November 01 2013 09:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


On November 01 2013 01:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


Would scum, knowingly voting for someone to look good, openly state that they're placing the vote because many others appear willing to do so?

Oats should know better. JJD's posting doesn't look like scum. he comes off as a bit anti-town but he hasn't been very careful at all.

That post looks exactly like noob scum or noob town. You think everyone plays scum perfectly? Nope.

Also JJD unvoted. Hmm. I need to think about this one.

the players doing blatantly scummy things day 1 are almost never scum. He also should be having more trouble coming back into the thread and responding if he was an overwhelmed newbie like you suggest. I can only think of one player that did something like this that flipped scum and it was his first game. It's very easy for scum to appear pro-town on day1.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#203
overwhelmed newbie scum that is.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#204
On November 01 2013 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 09:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 01 2013 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


On November 01 2013 01:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


Would scum, knowingly voting for someone to look good, openly state that they're placing the vote because many others appear willing to do so?

Oats should know better. JJD's posting doesn't look like scum. he comes off as a bit anti-town but he hasn't been very careful at all.

That post looks exactly like noob scum or noob town. You think everyone plays scum perfectly? Nope.

Also JJD unvoted. Hmm. I need to think about this one.

the players doing blatantly scummy things day 1 are almost never scum. He also should be having more trouble coming back into the thread and responding if he was an overwhelmed newbie like you suggest. I can only think of one player that did something like this that flipped scum and it was his first game. It's very easy for scum to appear pro-town on day1.

So scum dont look like scum. How do you find scum then?
I dont understand grack.

No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:18 GMT
#205
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 01 2013 00:21 GMT
#206
Not a fan of hzflank

When you were first questioned about your post involving stutters you could have answered it in 4 words.

On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Why label Stutters as town


As a conversation starter.


Instead you rambled for 4 paragraphs about nothing. In general scum are more likely to have these knee jerk overreactions than a townie who knows he is innocent. None of your later posts have made me feel any better about you.

Not a fan of this quote either. Town are generally less concerned with whether or not they offend others with their posts.


I should also say that it was not meant offensively (towards Stutters) as I am not sure now as to whether I offended him.


Oats can you explain more about why you liked hzflank's rambling post also if you had to vote right now who would you vote for and why?


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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:28 GMT
#207
On November 01 2013 09:21 Mig wrote:
Not a fan of hzflank

When you were first questioned about your post involving stutters you could have answered it in 4 words.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Why label Stutters as town


As a conversation starter.


Instead you rambled for 4 paragraphs about nothing. In general scum are more likely to have these knee jerk overreactions than a townie who knows he is innocent. None of your later posts have made me feel any better about you.

Not a fan of this quote either. Town are generally less concerned with whether or not they offend others with their posts.

Show nested quote +

I should also say that it was not meant offensively (towards Stutters) as I am not sure now as to whether I offended him.


Oats can you explain more about why you liked hzflank's rambling post also if you had to vote right now who would you vote for and why?



Judging from the last sentence in that post I got more of an impression that he is messing with us than it being a knee jerk overreaction.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 01 2013 00:28 GMT
#208
On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"


I don't agree with this when talking about new scum players. It is pretty normal for a new scum player to jump on an easy bandwagon and use that as their reasoning. That being said new townies do the same thing and I am more leaning new townie on JJ.

Grack what do you think about hzflank? ?
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:37 GMT
#209
On November 01 2013 09:28 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"


I don't agree with this when talking about new scum players. It is pretty normal for a new scum player to jump on an easy bandwagon and use that as their reasoning. That being said new townies do the same thing and I am more leaning new townie on JJ.

Grack what do you think about hzflank? ?


I'm not sure yet. I liked his first defense because I think he has a bit of an attitude (Saracasm/messing around with us) that gave him some negative attention. I really don't buy that he got really nervous over that accusation and wrote out a long defense because he is scum.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:38 GMT
#210
I'm not liking him for a day 1 lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:50 GMT
#211
Odin, I see you've been posting in the newbie for a long time. Play this game please.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 01 2013 00:51 GMT
#212
What do you think makes Oat a better candidate for lynch? Any other reasons than him not liking JJ?

-Tehpoofter who do you think is scum? You have several useless posts and one saying you had no reads. We are over half way through the day you should have some suspicions at this point.
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
November 01 2013 00:51 GMT
#213
This seems to have flown under the radar:

On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
the apparent inconsistency in his position is the most concerning thing to me, though I'm not even sure there is one.


You say that you are not sure whether the most concerning thing actually exists.

On November 01 2013 03:09 mkfuba07 wrote:
I agree with jjd that he appears to be supporting it in one post, then the next one appears to be agreeing with the first. However, I guess it could be interpreted the way hzflank says he meant it, so overall that just makes me lean slight scum on him.

Altogether, I feel pretty confident with a vote on hzflank.


You feel pretty confident with a vote on someone that you only lean slightly scum on.

I would say that you decided on where to park your vote before you decided on the reasons for it.

##vote: mkfuba07
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#214
On November 01 2013 09:51 Mig wrote:
What do you think makes Oat a better candidate for lynch? Any other reasons than him not liking JJ?

-Tehpoofter who do you think is scum? You have several useless posts and one saying you had no reads. We are over half way through the day you should have some suspicions at this point.

Just from playing with Oatsmaster I think it's more likely he's scum jumping on lynch bait than town and believing JJ is scum. Oats can be nutty but he's actually pretty good.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#215
On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.

I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.

What do you want to know?

Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him.

They told me this:
If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town.
If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum.

He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam.


Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game?

Listen to the Koshi. THE KOSHI!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 01 2013 01:20 GMT
#216
Passive and shifty. Yeahhh best attributes ever.

Ok so Mig, Hzflank seemed really confident about his position with that long rambling post. Im pretty sure that ive played in a game with hzflank as scum and I dont remember him being so jovial and posting long bits of shit that dont really need to be there. Hm. ok so scum post a lot of stuff cause they are nervous, town post a lot of stuff cause they are confident. Is there a difference? yes, and I feel that hzflank is confident.

I wanna lynch JJD or Grack now. Grack's instant defence of JJD is weird because apparently he doesnt have that innate suspicion of people and is calling JJD town for something that is pretty objectively scummy. Basing his vote on someone other people think is scum. Ive seen someone on mafiascum do it. And he was scum. And I didnt lynch him cause I thought he was noob town.
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 01:32 GMT
#217
On November 01 2013 10:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Passive and shifty. Yeahhh best attributes ever.

Ok so Mig, Hzflank seemed really confident about his position with that long rambling post. Im pretty sure that ive played in a game with hzflank as scum and I dont remember him being so jovial and posting long bits of shit that dont really need to be there. Hm. ok so scum post a lot of stuff cause they are nervous, town post a lot of stuff cause they are confident. Is there a difference? yes, and I feel that hzflank is confident.

I wanna lynch JJD or Grack now. Grack's instant defence of JJD is weird because apparently he doesnt have that innate suspicion of people and is calling JJD town for something that is pretty objectively scummy. Basing his vote on someone other people think is scum. Ive seen someone on mafiascum do it. And he was scum. And I didnt lynch him cause I thought he was noob town.

You said it was noob town or noob scum for JJD. Noob scum would not be posting as persistently under these circumstances. JJD looks very confident as well, Oatsmaster. I don't understand the point against me.

Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 01 2013 01:34 GMT
#218
You are too sure that JJD is town.
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 01 2013 01:35 GMT
#219
On November 01 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are too sure that JJD is town.

Foolishness!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 01 2013 01:35 GMT
#220
All JJD has basically talked about is Random lynching. Which anyone, scum or town can talk confidently about because its unlikely to be implemented anyway. So its just empty words.
No gg, No skill.
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