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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 13:01 GMT
#317
On April 27 2014 13:47 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Kosher;
serious responds :'(
I'm basically Rayn 2.0!
Rayn my #1.. so obv we have to live on his traditions.
If you keep dodging me I'm going to feel cold and betrayed!
I might even feel obligated to think you're totes scum for it.
I just want to understand you!

Ok the things you asked me fully explained.

Palmar:

Palmar got nuked early in the game and reacted by playing anti-town. It seems he even wanted to play so anti town that he wanted to pardon our lynch. This alone is 100% nuke/Shoot/lynch Palmar for me. I said this quite early. On top of that he claimed scum the exact same way he did in World Heavy Champ thing by quoting the BH scumclaim "blow me town".

So I totes want to kill Palmar, but there always is this 1% chance that he was major butthurt and he is actually going to be helpful now because he realizes his major butthurtness was retarded. But I am not holding my breath. Somewhere Palmar should be shot instead of lynched maybe? I don't know, probably the wagon of justice will move to Palmar near the end of the day.


Foolishness/prplhz:

Foolishness made the JubJub Journals last game so I love Foolishness. Don't be mistaken though, I always love winning games more. So even though it may look like I am just sheeping Foolishness, I am very aware he hasn't done too much.

It has nothing to do with proplhz his alignment and how I read him. When I made my list of Koshi awesomeness I saw I already had way too many scum and I would have plprhz town reading his filter but I just put him as scum so people like JAT and geript can be outraged by the ridiculousness of my list and hammer on the fact I got prplhz as scum and I am sheeping etc etc.
I just give them scummy points in return. Also laugh at them.


SnB:
I think this guy is scum. Honest read. I explained it.


I think that's all! Bro status achieved?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 15:03 GMT
#328
##vote: SnB
strongandbig is actually going after Foolishness "for not caring enough". Also superawesome research work on SnB part.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 16:13 GMT
#333
Oats give Posts away!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 17:55 GMT
#353
On April 28 2014 01:38 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 10:00 Koshi wrote:
snb his post are strange. His head doesn't make sense to me.

He agrees with Caller on the VE read.
On April 27 2014 00:37 strongandbig wrote:
On April 26 2014 15:45 Caller wrote:
##Vote: Visceraeyes

#rekt


Ok I never thought I would be agreeing with caller so early but here we are... VE just feels scummy here.


Next post he shows he didn't think further about the whole Caller Nuke on Palmar his head till this post. So how does this make sense? As a townie you see Caller trow a nuke on Palmar. You see then VE being quite scummy. So you quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke?

(1) SnB can't see why Palmar might think Caller is scum? A pretty good reason would be Palmar is town and there is a nuke going for his head right? (additional the extra info about the merchant stuff is filler, nobody knows what the fuck SnB is talking about here except the people who played in the GreYmist game and I can tell you it is useless filler)
(2) This townread is so lazy... Palmar did jack shit the entire game but hold town hostage and he gives a townread because Palmar warned town for going to be antitown... Really strange townread.
(3) Finds some reason for why Caller might be scum because Palmar is hotheaded. ---> Makes me think SnB knows things like for example: SnB knows Palmar is scum and therefore can't take into account a town Palmar being upset because there is a nuke going for his head.

On April 27 2014 02:22 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so palmar is now threatening to somehow mysteriously ruin the day for town unless we dayvig caller.

(1) Is this because he thinks caller is scum? I don't see any evidence of that. So palmar's being pissy. Last game he fucked off because he was pissed at the setup having too many third party players. He was town (but he lost his extra wincon basically because of that, if he had kept playing we would have bought more stuff from him.)

(2) But yeah, this doesn't make me think palmar is scum. Actually, if he really does have some power to mess with town he would presumably use it without warning to cause extra chaos, so he's probably either lying scum or pissed off town.

(3) Actually, now that I think of it, when I look at the player list and say "who is the most likely to overreact as town and rage-use a power when I shoot them", palmar is in the top two or three for me together with rol and oatsmaster. Not sure what to make of that. Presumably if palmar's town and caller is scum, caller doesn't know palmar's role. So if caller is scum, and still goads palmar like that, he's likely bulletproof in some way.



SnB gives strange reads. SnB scum.



So koshi's reason why I'm scum is that I have strange reads. Lets talk about this in detail.

First paragraph: I had a gut "this is scummy" reaction when I saw ve's post. I didn't have it on rereading but the thing you're quoting is from my initial read through post. Anyway you're committing a fallacy here. When a player makes a post about another player, what that post says about the poster and what it says about the subject of the post are two independent questions. First, because pre flip connection theories are inherently unreliable; and second, because even if the poster is scum, his post can still be attacking either another townie or a scumbuddy, and judging the post based on the perceived alignment of the poster is therefore an exercise in wifom.
What I'm saying is, even though caller did throw a nuke and looked like scum, I try to judge whether I agree with his reactions and reasoning about other players separately from whether I think those reactions and reasoning make him scum. Sometimes those conclusions feed into each other, like if someone's reasoning is bad and I can find a scum motivation for that bad reasoning.

So yes, I do "quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke."


Now, point (1). You're twisting my words here. I didn't say I couldn't see why palmar might think caller is scum. Palmar had not posted a single thing at that point either accusing caller of being scum, or explaining why he thought caller was scum. I thought and still think it was more likely that palmar had simply raged out at caller and wanted him dead regardless of caller's alignment.
Plus, the merchant stuff wasn't useless filler; it was evidence that palmar is the kind of player who will rage out and play counterproductively if he gets pissed off, because that's what his play looked like to me in the later parts of catastrophe.


Point (2) - do you honestly disagree? At this point, Palmar thought like everyone else did that the nuke would land at deadline. Saving the pardoner power until deadline rather than soft-claiming it seems like much stronger scum play to me. First explain why this is incorrect or non-townie logic from me, then call me scum for it.


Point (3) - my entire read of palmar at this point was based on the fact that he was pissed off at caller for nuking him. That's like the whole reasoning I explained in the paragraph that you labelled (1). How is that me knowing palmar is scum? Like, how does this show me having extra information at all?
Also, you're not reading what I wrote again. What I said was that if caller is scum and palmar is town, then caller would likely be bulletproof or something, because palmar is likely to attack back.
As scum, I do think a town palmar makes sense as a target for a nuke. It's getting rid of a strong town player, plus palmar is likely to rage and create chaos. The problem is, palmar is also the kind of target I would expect from a troll caller, for the same reason.

Anyway - none of the points in this case actually make sense. They don't connect to what I said at all. Koshi is building a case for me being scum but it doesn't engage with what I actually said, it just works it into a fake narrative that I'm scum.

Am I scum?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 18:13 GMT
#356
Meh... ABBA bro you better be not be lying scum here.
It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case.

I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB.


I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly.

atm I like for lynch:
1) Palmar
2) SnB
3) VE
4) geript
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 20:49 GMT
#387
This is my 21th post. Trow me 5 pls.
Remember that is is MAJORITY lynch.

Also Europe will need sleep.

So I am pretty sure that unless shizzle happens now SnB dies or we no lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:02 GMT
#419
Why isn't Oats lynchbait?

Small filter.
AFK till lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:03 GMT
#420
I read Oats filter after reading austin case and I don't see the connection. The case is larger than his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:04 GMT
#421
I stick on SnB.

gn.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#422
Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia.
He is a fucking hard catch normally.
Look at all the games.

He always is like last mafia standing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#425
Yes. I know about catastrophe but pretty sure he wouldn't be lynched that day if he didn't kill WoS.
PYP he was last.

hmm. I don't remember other games atm but he is a hard catch. Maybe I only remember PYP.

Anyway. I don't like it.

gn.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 27 2014 22:12 GMT
#427
It's Oats.

Also I don't care anymore. I endorse the 4 names I gave you all.

Last post except maybe a vote change. But I don't think so.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 00:20 GMT
#462
JAT is scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 01:05 GMT
#479
On April 28 2014 09:25 austinmcc wrote:
To be nice, and because I'd like to see more from you,

##donate: 3 posts to Koshi

That last one put you one over what you had, dunno if there are repercussions, but now you can at least post 2x more. I BEEN WATCHIN' YOU, KOSHI.

Why swing back in with a nothingpost, when knowing you're working on borrowed/lessthanborrowed posts, to throwaway that JAT is mafia? Do you supermega<3 Foolishness's post on SnB? I know you were scummy on SnB yourself, but how does Foolishness's post, in particular, read to you?


rofl. 3 am. too much dota. I am sleepy. I only get 4 hours till work :/

This SnB lynch isn't easy at all because we have always been 4 votes short from actually lynching him. So. I still sit on him. The vets I trust are on SnB.

Really. Maybe he isn't scum. Maybe he is. I am going to think he is.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 01:06 GMT
#480
Also this post count thingie is only a guideline and not a hard rule. Read OP pls.

SnB lynch of Justice.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 01:11 GMT
#484
On April 28 2014 09:32 sandroba wrote:
So far I got as possible scum foolishness oats slam and possibly koshi and bh. I'm fair game to kill any of these today.

Lynch all the guys on snb!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 17:17 GMT
#604
I am like following this game from a distance and it looks like I am not up for NK. I will keep my superpowers for during the day.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 20:13 GMT
#616
I will totes follow your read. Palmar needs to die. what about VA?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 20:36 GMT
#625
On April 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote:
This is my 7th post this night and I've only been gifted one.




What a rebel!

Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.

Koshi, did your reads change after that flip?

I changed my read on SnB.

I am easily impressed. Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren.
What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE?
Now we can add Foolishness.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 28 2014 20:58 GMT
#628
On April 29 2014 05:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 05:36 Koshi wrote:
On April 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 29 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote:
This is my 7th post this night and I've only been gifted one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPhPbTbjYM0


What a rebel!

Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.

Koshi, did your reads change after that flip?

I changed my read on SnB.

I am easily impressed.
Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren.
What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE?
Now we can add Foolishness.

No shit. ^_^

Nothing else changed? You still "know" VA is town?
Why is geript scum?
Why is foolishness scum now?

Why are you asking me these questions in the night? Totes want to see if you need to shoot me?
I thought VA was town. Dnu why I asked that question to Sandroba. I think it had something to do with posts I read.
Geript not really on prior list atm.
why is foolishness town? That's the question!

No really. Other people are allowed to do things today/tomorrow. I was also totes up till 3 am yesterday so time for sleep now.

I am toying with the idea to reread the thread and post new and fresh thoughts. 11 hours from now. Maybe. I will keep you updated.
I had a good night of sleep.
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