On April 28 2014 01:38 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 10:00 Koshi wrote:snb his post are strange. His head doesn't make sense to me.
He agrees with Caller on the VE read.
On April 27 2014 00:37 strongandbig wrote:On April 26 2014 15:45 Caller wrote:
##Vote: Visceraeyes
#rekt
Ok I never thought I would be agreeing with caller so early but here we are... VE just feels scummy here.
Next post he shows he didn't think further about the whole Caller Nuke on Palmar his head till this post. So how does this make sense? As a townie you see Caller trow a nuke on Palmar. You see then VE being quite scummy. So you quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke?
(1) SnB can't see why Palmar might think Caller is scum? A pretty good reason would be Palmar is town and there is a nuke going for his head right? (additional the extra info about the merchant stuff is filler, nobody knows what the fuck SnB is talking about here except the people who played in the GreYmist game and I can tell you it is useless filler)
(2) This townread is so lazy... Palmar did jack shit the entire game but hold town hostage and he gives a townread because Palmar warned town for going to be antitown... Really strange townread.
(3) Finds some reason for why Caller might be scum because Palmar is hotheaded. ---> Makes me think SnB knows things like for example: SnB knows Palmar is scum and therefore can't take into account a town Palmar being upset because there is a nuke going for his head.
On April 27 2014 02:22 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so palmar is now threatening to somehow mysteriously ruin the day for town unless we dayvig caller.
(1) Is this because he thinks caller is scum? I don't see any evidence of that. So palmar's being pissy. Last game he fucked off because he was pissed at the setup having too many third party players. He was town (but he lost his extra wincon basically because of that, if he had kept playing we would have bought more stuff from him.)
(2) But yeah, this doesn't make me think palmar is scum. Actually, if he really does have some power to mess with town he would presumably use it without warning to cause extra chaos, so he's probably either lying scum or pissed off town.
(3) Actually, now that I think of it, when I look at the player list and say "who is the most likely to overreact as town and rage-use a power when I shoot them", palmar is in the top two or three for me together with rol and oatsmaster. Not sure what to make of that. Presumably if palmar's town and caller is scum, caller doesn't know palmar's role. So if caller is scum, and still goads palmar like that, he's likely bulletproof in some way.
SnB gives strange reads. SnB scum.
So koshi's reason why I'm scum is that I have strange reads. Lets talk about this in detail.
First paragraph: I had a gut "this is scummy" reaction when I saw ve's post. I didn't have it on rereading but the thing you're quoting is from my initial read through post. Anyway you're committing a fallacy here. When a player makes a post about another player, what that post says about the poster and what it says about the subject of the post are two independent questions. First, because pre flip connection theories are inherently unreliable; and second, because even if the poster is scum, his post can still be attacking either another townie or a scumbuddy, and judging the post based on the perceived alignment of the poster is therefore an exercise in wifom.
What I'm saying is, even though caller did throw a nuke and looked like scum, I try to judge whether I agree with his reactions and reasoning about other players separately from whether I think those reactions and reasoning make him scum. Sometimes those conclusions feed into each other, like if someone's reasoning is bad and I can find a scum motivation for that bad reasoning.
So yes, I do "quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke."
Now, point (1). You're twisting my words here. I didn't say I couldn't see why palmar might think caller is scum. Palmar had not posted a single thing at that point either accusing caller of being scum, or explaining why he thought caller was scum. I thought and still think it was more likely that palmar had simply raged out at caller and wanted him dead regardless of caller's alignment.
Plus, the merchant stuff wasn't useless filler; it was evidence that palmar is the kind of player who will rage out and play counterproductively if he gets pissed off, because that's what his play looked like to me in the later parts of catastrophe.
Point (2) - do you honestly disagree? At this point, Palmar thought like everyone else did that the nuke would land at deadline. Saving the pardoner power until deadline rather than soft-claiming it seems like much stronger scum play to me. First explain why this is incorrect or non-townie logic from me, then call me scum for it.
Point (3) - my entire read of palmar at this point was based on the fact that he was pissed off at caller for nuking him. That's like the whole reasoning I explained in the paragraph that you labelled (1). How is that me knowing palmar is scum? Like, how does this show me having extra information at all?
Also, you're not reading what I wrote again. What I said was that if caller is scum and palmar is town, then caller would likely be bulletproof or something, because palmar is likely to attack back.
As scum, I do think a town palmar makes sense as a target for a nuke. It's getting rid of a strong town player, plus palmar is likely to rage and create chaos. The problem is, palmar is also the kind of target I would expect from a troll caller, for the same reason.
Anyway - none of the points in this case actually make sense. They don't connect to what I said at all. Koshi is building a case for me being scum but it doesn't engage with what I actually said, it just works it into a fake narrative that I'm scum.
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