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To start off with, it is very unlikely that'll be online at a single deadline of this game, unless I decide to stay up super late or force myself out of bed super early. (6 AM) Caller's shot is shit if town. Reasonable if scum. +VE for the quick vote incase of KP Palmar -> Retribution -geript for overreacting post. Stupid move by caller, I agree. I think that's obvious to everyone in this game. Why bother writing up about it so much? He's used up his power = Votes on him are a waste as they can't disable potential other threats during the day. Also even if you wanted Caller to be lynched (which I am not against, as a matter of fact), there's no reason to start a discussion on the nuking event, something obviously so stupid it should be lynched for. -> Save posts for other issues that may come up that aren't as clear + don't bait others into arguing with your posts / opinions and waste their posts on that. On April 26 2014 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: I honestly don't see how this says anything about caller's alignment. If you really thought that caller was scum blatantly shooting someone geript you wouldn't feel the need to write such a long paragraph justifying such a simple thought. Caller is just Caller and you're just scum. Scum who is overexplaining cause he knows he's lying ##vote geript Bad. I dislike geript's post as well, but the angle blazinghand approaches it from ticks me off. Instantly calling geript scum for that? Possible. But soft-defending Caller with a stance that lets you hop on either side of the train if necessary? Just as bad. VE wasting posts, bad. BH pointing it out, good. BH reasoning for why no vote on Palmar, bad. If Palmar went yolo and decided to take this shot if he had one, do you really think he'd at this point of the game have anything reasonable to base his decision on? More accurately, something that others don't? Doubt so. BH bad. Alakaslam I'm not even trying to read for now, waste of time. Geript's follow-up post, both good and bad. Good logic, bad reasoning. Forget about the policy lynches. If someone did a stupid thing yet manages to prove he/she's town, then there's no point in lynching that person. If we lynch Caller, it's because we think he is scum because of what he did + other possible factors. End. Oats completely unnecessary and stupid post. I like VE, for everything else except townreading Caller for what he's provided so far. OoP makes sense, even if I don't agree with everything he says they're reasonably argumented for. Koshi: How does he know there is a traitor? Unless he simply pointed out that he's one and wants to be recruited. Scumbag. Palmar's play is more likely to come from scum imo. I'd say just ignore him and let him die to the nuke. I'm not gonna let one player decide on what everyone else does. WoS's assumption is reasonable. Assuming nuke to be real as it was posted by a mod. (@ Ace) Good pointout about how lynching would be better than shooting, yet Palmar doesn't care. @prp: You are forbidden from using a day kill ability if you are the highest vote lynch candidate (if this changes you may then shoot). Good questions by prp, also his thoughts on Caller are almost the same as mine. Conclusion: VE > OoP > Ace > prp > WoS (Townish-scale, most to least) Koshi > alakaslam (Neutral) (townier to scummier) Caller > Palmar > blazinghand > geript (Scummysh scale, most to least) Not interested in asking specific questions at certain players yet. Neither chit-chatting. If there is a mason, I'd like to be recruited. IDGAF which alignment you are if there is one, recruit me anyway. | ||
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On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. As much as trying to think about the game as an environment where people for for the logical or optimal choices, that's not what happens here. I don't even bother trying to make my assumptions on optimal plays or expecting someone to do what I feel is logical since it just won't happen. Townies rarely make the best choices available, even if it seemed like an easy choice looking at it later on. As scum, you can intentionally play sub-optimally to make you look more town to people that assume there is no reason to not do such. (Such as in my last game in Cell, I pushed for geript at the end instead of prplhz when going for prplhz would have been the "easy" mislynch, but I thought that if I push for him it may seem to others too easily as the obvious mislynch pick, and that someone might pick on the logic and defend me for not going for prplhz even though I could have done that, since "trying to get geript lynched made no sense from mafia perspective". On April 28 2014 04:54 prplhz wrote: If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? There's just no point in going 100% "Lynch Caller" after what he did, agree on that and kill the discussion, it doesn't get us anywhere. Especially with the most votes -> disable daykill powers mechanic which can be used in interesting ways. If it had been a real nuke, I'd probably be voting to lynch Caller right now. I still don't like what he did, but at the moment I feel it was much more likely to come from a town player rather than a scum player. At start when we "can afford", there's no reason to force ourselves into a decision at the start of a cycle when a lot of things can still come up. Point of curiosity: Just how many posts did JAT waste solely on asking people to donate him more? Yeah. Using your last posts to provide nothing yet ask for more is a bit interesting.. contradictory even. Given that you can't be sure you'll gain any, why not make use of what you have left if you're in danger of running out? @geript: I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time, enjoy esports first and delve into mafia later, rather than do both half-assedly at the same time. Alakaslam: Retarded shot. And here I was thinking you might be town a while ago. General: I am not getting on snb wagon, I feel like it's a mislynch wagon. The oats wagon might be onto something however, and I don't see any bad names on that wagon either. If I had to consolidate on someone, I would get on Oats. Caller's shot is terribad. Why prp...? Will be around for a little while or until I fall asleep. Also doing this to prove I have no KP: #Kill: Blazinghand #Nuke: Blazinghand | ||
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On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote: You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around. | ||
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On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote: 1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read. 2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up. 1st part is certainly true, 2nd is not. Just because I didn't go around flip-flopping like half the thread doesn't mean I didn't think about my vote target, vice versa. I also clearly stated I'd go to sleep after my vote, and not be around till after deadline, what would there have been to follow up with? Call the people on snb bad? Doesn't get us anywhere, as much as I think it was obviously a bad lynch. On April 29 2014 07:10 geript wrote: So who do you shoot if you had a gun? I wouldn't take a shot. To not waste a post since you'll ask anyway: I see no reason to not wait until night is over before taking one in my position. I prefer to take a shot with more, rather than less information. If I had a gun, there are a few players I'd be eager to pull the trigger at. I won't be naming them because: 1) You'll ask for reasoning, which I don't care to provide at this stage where I merely have my suspicions rather than being fairly certain. 2) I don't see why anyone would kill me at this point in the game. Can't see how scum would consider me a threat as I haven't even tried to push for anyone nor shared my reads, not to mention having done or hinted at anything that could cause them paranoia. Admitting to having no kp doesn't exactly put me high on the list of people to be killed either, I'd assume. A townie taking a shot on someone like me who is clearly around yet also clearly not providing too much to go from is hardly a good choice. There are many players whom there is much more information on that can be made a decision on more easily. Even if you doubt me being town, what reason is there to shoot me during the night when in my current state, assuming I would not be posting much in the future either, I'd be a fairly easy target to push a lynch on. Waste of a good shot. In summary: Right now I'm not interested in being the one leading the town. I also see no reason to provide my current thoughts, given how confident I am in being alive tomorrow, as I can provide better conclusions regarding my thought process in early D2. In the "worst" case scenario that I die tonight: 1) If scum took the shot, that's fine. I don't mind taking the bullet for letting someone more important to live. 2) If a townie took the shot, too bad as it was a wasted one. But as I said earlier, I can't see anyone that even remotely thinks things through shooting me tonight. Also as mentioned before, I won't be on right before nor after the deadline. What do I have to offer? You'll just have to wait and see, halfway through D2 you should have a more reasonable opinion about me. | ||
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On April 29 2014 07:32 geript wrote: ok I fully approve of someone shooting Ceph full of holes. And you think anyone cares about your approval? If you think I'm bad for not providing what I could, then why are you even bothering posts like this one I just quoted? Hardly a serious post with a goal to achieve something. Should we lynch you for not doing everything 100% all the time? Maybe.... think outside the box. Or stay in that small, dark, narrow area of yours, and rage at everyone whose flashlight in search of the lost person actually hits the target. Putting it nicely: What do you lose if I don't go 200% SCUMHUNT KILL PRESSURE LYNCH mode on D1 where with very little information and lots of players it's likely to be a mislynch anyway? You really don't. I agree there's no reason to wait for someone to provide content for too long, but you can clearly see I'm involved. Thus does it really hurt you that bad to wait a little? Maybe I have reasons for doing what I do. Or, maybe I'm just bad, or scum, or don't give a fuck? Figure which is more likely. | ||
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@geript: Don't fall for the provocative nature of my messages please. It's a thing that comes naturally when I want to argue/debate about something with someone, as human tend to be most honest when emotional to my experience. Just.. give it a chance. Still want to be recruited into the mason group. @ All: Things you shouldn't do: 1) Donate posts to me (I won't be around to use them) 2) Go full retard (Never go full retard) 3) Kill me (Just not worth it.) 4) Many, many things which you should be clever enough to figure out yourself since you're playing in this game. | ||
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On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote: geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter: 1) Oats is town 2) Alakaslam is town 3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass. 4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot. 5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot. 6) RoL useless should be shot. 7) 8) SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well. So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi. So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi. So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro. Wow Koshi, this is like the worst post you could've made. I don't even know why I'm pointing out how bad your post is since it's so obvious. 1) We don't know if you are scum or not. 2) Geript being confirmed town does not mean his opinions are correct. We only know they come from a town player. He was wrong on SnB. You claim he's wrong on you. But for your convinience, he's right in everything else? This logic is so utterly... that even calling it retarded is an understatement. You know better. Point of interest: Geript was Town Martyr. Who's to say he didn't just sacrifice himself last night? Is there a single reason why that could not be the case? The nightpost says he died, but the player list says he was shot. Which brings me to.. Is there different death flavor for dying from a different cause? In case there is something I misunderstood about how a martyr works, then cool, just call me bad and we'll agree that geript was shot. Could very well be the case. On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote: Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor? Maybe others are smart enough to understand that... I'm not? On April 29 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: This somewhat indicates that Cephiro knows there is a traitor while he didn't read the OP. So yeah, this might have been a slip. Or, maybe it just indicates that I missed it while reading the OP, and asked since I was confused how you could know there is one (since, at that time I thought there wasn't a chance of one existing.) But whatever paints me red, right? On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote: I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment. First guy whose thought process goes further than "I think X means Y, so Y." Palmar, you should try being more like JAT. The last line is hilarious though. So because you're unsure about my alignment, I'm a good shot? Leaving me unflipped? Yeah, that's a terrific idea. So... care to elaborate why do you think I'm a decent shot if I'm town? I mean... if you wanted me dead, wouldn't it be better to know what alignment I am? (PS: I think we're on different sides, you're looking really scummy.) On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote: So I can brag endgame? If being horribly wrong is anything to brag about.. yes. To elaborate on the above discussion about me being traitor.. I always say trying to metagame me is a horrible idea. Which is true. However, I find it hilarious with most of the players that are trying to make me look bad with metagame analysis refer to a very small sample size. Such as, because I was lurky last game and scum = I must be scum this game because I didn't contribute much during the first cycle. I have tendency of bringing chaos, both as scum and as town. Most of you consider me a decent player as far as I know. So that brings me to my next point... If I was the traitor, why would I be so blunt about it? Claiming traitor just gets one killed as far as I know. A traitor is of no benefit to town, nor mafia if revealed. If I am not the traitor... ---> a) Does it really look like I'm trying to be the traitor? If so, why? ---> b) Or do I simply wish to be included in the mason group? Again, I will leave it to your judgement which is more likely. If you need help to answering any of the questions I presented, ask and I will answer. The reason I'm not typing out everything is to try and get some of the more narrow-minded players to look broader at the beautiful horizon and what it beholds. Everything isn't what it may seem to be. We come to the next point... why try to appear as something I'm not? Well... first off, I could still be what I appear to be. But in the case of the people that think of me as a traitor currently, that's not the case. Let's look at a few possible scenarios: a) If I was scum.. then trying to appear something else than what I am is obvious. b) If I am town... then it comes down to branching options: b1) I have a role b2) I don't have a role Let's say that I have a role. There are various ones which work differently. Now, I'm fairly sure all of the players in this game have enough smarts to figure out why not letting your role be known at this stage of the game is reasonable in several positions. Tip: Maybe I don't want others to know I have one. Or perhaps I want to look like a stronger role than I really am. Let's say I don't have a role. I'm sure most of you reading at this point should get my thought process to some extent by now. Yes, correct. I may want to pretend I have a role in order to seem more powerful or to cause things I normally might not be able to. Or maybe I'd do it even just to act as a fake martyr, pretend to be a vital asset for town whereas being a simple VT. If successful, scum will have eliminated a "powerless" player compared to one with extra assets. On April 28 2014 09:06 Cephiro wrote: #Kill: Blazinghand #Nuke: Blazinghand Now for something which I think only Alakaslam picked up on. The above is not a valid action (or should not be, at least.) Which means... none of you can say for certain what role I am, if I have a special one. Well, we could assume there aren't multiple martyrs nor pardoners, which is a relatively safe bet. Even then, it leaves a lot of heroic roles to choose from. Am I a mere peasant with only the might of my word? Am I a silent assassin, ready to kill anyone when I feel the moment is right? Am I the hero this town needs? Wait and see. For those remaining allies of the green kingdom that consider me as a valuable asset, fear not, I will share my thoughts with you soon, whether they are correct or not. | ||
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On April 29 2014 09:31 geript wrote: He's a decent player and the last time he was a shitty lurker like this he was mafia. My activity in any game does not correlate with my alignment, at all. I have had both incredibly active games as town and scum, as well as lurked as both alignments. On April 29 2014 12:14 Ace wrote: also this confirms Cephiro is Town For those that didn't get this, it's merely a play on his earlier message where he makes an awesome correlation between being town and having no signature. I don't have one, thus I'm town. Clearly, it's not indicative of his real opinion. I'd suppose. About Slam: I really, really dislike how since taking the shot (with bad reasoning, as known to most) his play has gone from the 50/50 between insanity and firm opinions into just sitting there with a finger in his mouth, wondering what went wrong and being all clueless. Maybe you shot scum, maybe you didn't. Just because many players (including me) considered him as town doesn't mean he necessarily was. Move on, and make the following actions with better judgement. On April 29 2014 17:32 Palmar wrote: Cephiro (because traitor claim) L-o-l. | ||
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Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD) Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam) Players I am planning to elaborate on: Blazinghand, Koshi, Foolishness, Caller. On request: Palmar, Oatsmaster (I think most of the things I want to point about these players have been told enough times.) So yeah, there you have it. If you simply agree with some, then nice, but I'd prefer to hear why. If you disagree with some, I won't give a shit about your opinion if you don't give reasoning towards why you disagree. If you want to hear my thoughts about a certain player, explain why, and point out any certain points of importance you're especially interested in knowing my thought process on. On April 28 2014 13:01 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Ace strongandbig (13) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, VisceraEyes, RebirthofLegend, BlazingHand, Caller, OdinofPergo, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, prplhz Oatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. Above is how I think the lynch went down. I may very well be wrong on something (and most likely am, calling it perfectly would be quite insane), but I'm not interesting in hearing you bash my opinion for "obviously being wrong." If you think something definitely can't be the case, then do tell. My current belief is that there are 5 members in the scumteam + 1 traitor that may or may not have been recruited yet. My assumption is: Koshi, Palmar, Caller, Oatsmaster, Foolishness + OdinOfPergo My main concern about this assumption is including both Palmar and Caller in the team. I like the theory pointed out by WoS early on, and had initial thoughts along the same lines. However I'm not so sure if these two would have the balls to pull it off or not. Palmar's panic reaction seemed genuine, and I can picture it easily in (Caller/Palmar respectively) Scum/Town, Town/Town, Town/Scum situations, but a genuine in panic reaction in a Scum/Scum reaction is something that doesn't add up. With this, I'll be around writing my cases and responding to questions (occasionally and briefly, as I may be needing my available posts today.). I would like to lynch Koshi today. | ||
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Gonna catch up in a moment, gonna post the case anyway. @JAT: I'll give you my short thoughts on Ace soon. @Foolishness: I don't think what you say is true. (That 3 major town players individually thought snb was a good target). I'll elaborate on this soon as well. | ||
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On April 26 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure things changed in the OP so people should read it. There is a traitor and I am not mafia. Very sad. I will be traitor hunting. For funzies. On the side. No mad pls. Alakaslam townread. I better not second guess that for sanity. Geript scumread. I dont know why he said I am town. I also dont want to lynch caller after reading his posts. Which seems to be the reason for his posts because he uses many words in his posts. Ver, I am town. I totes would never lie to you. No town heroes in this game yet. Odin I dont know about. But he might make sense. Also might not and is opportunistic. Palmar can you tell me what your alignment &role is? I do not believe caller shooting nuke makes him town. Not at all. I am another 10 hours limited to phoneposting. I haven't seen any of this traitor hunting he claimed that he'd do. A bit interested in why he even brought up someone like Odin that he's unsure about. I mean, if you're going to delve into why certain points make you think pro-town and others pro-mafia, then that's fine. But just bringing up a person for saying they could be anything? What is he trying to achieve with this? + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 20:23 Koshi wrote: Ok. Palmar is scum. Nice shot Caller. I & Palmar respect Palmar too much for this kind of childish outburst. Ruining the game for town because a scum shot him? He wont do that as town. Palmar is also not trying or promising to read the game. His only interest is taking Caller with him. As town he would only want that if Caller is scum. But then the ruining game for town thing doesnt make sense. Or Palmar lost many dota games and is angry at everybody. On April 27 2014 06:01 Koshi wrote: WoW Koshi totes town guys. geript, I thought you called me town but seems like you called me scum. Anyway I dont umderstamd why I am in your list thatsl's all. Also that case on Koshi isnt enjoying himself so he is scum is sooooooo boring. Every other game somebody brings that shit up. Sometimes scummers. So. You scummer? Scummy point for you anyway. The part about me not knowing who to lynch between Palmar and Caller because palmar will turn red and I want to look good is reaching tbh. Association case so early in the game??? Another scumpoint. Pls geript. If you are scum you made a big mistake. I dont back off from people who call me scum. You are now closely followed. To Caller. Why am I scum? To Palmar. If I could I would totes kill Caller now. The progression between these two posts is interesting. A complete 180-degree turn on the reads. I suppose it's easy to say stuff and change reads if you don't provide your thought process for them? Also a point to notice is how concerned Koshi is with the people that call him scum. The different reaction can be explained here because geript actually wrote up on his thing, whereas caller didn't. On April 27 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: GREAT ANALYSIS JAT. REALLY NICE. VERY THOUGHTFUL. Above message is sarcastic. The reason to why it is sarcastic is because you don't give any input at all about prplhz his alignment. You use meta I think. But the only thing I remember in Foolishness his meta is pure gold and awesomeness. But even if there is something. Are you saying because foolishness once said that a guy was scum while he was town it now counts for all future games? Praises Foolishness for his meta and sheeps it -> calls out JAT for his small post on prplhz and the usage of meta. Usually meta is used like this: Person X did A under circumstances Z and was alignment 1. If person X does A again under similar circumstances, he is likely to be of same alignment. Now, I personally think this is bullshit, but this is how most players use meta on here. Refer to the bolded. JAT pointed out that Foolishness was wrong in his meta with an example occasion. Koshi quickly goes on to debunking it, as mistakes can happen to anyone. Certainly, that is true. But why count so much on something unreliable that was already proven to have flaws? On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. + For explaining why he doesn't think prplhz is scummy. - For artificially creating extra points. The last three could be summed up in one point. Could be a simple mistake, but... would Koshi really repeat himself unnecessarily like this? - Sheeps foolishness in saying prplhz is scummy after providing reasoning for the complete opposite. W. T. F. Just WTF? E: Later on admits to doing this intentionally, but never gives a reason for it. Rather, tells us to pick one of our liking. What was his goal if he did this intentionally? If he had none, why not just admit so? If he had one, why never follow up with it? Unnecessary trolling = Anti-town. On April 27 2014 08:11 Koshi wrote: You should read more games of mine. Like... I promise you that everything you say is wrong. And you are wrong because you are biased or scum. #TrueStory Also I am saving up posts from now on. My great intellect is also needed tomorrow. Did not really see much of this... while it doesn't make him scum, why constantly contradict oneself? Also the amount of calling geript scum/bad just for the heck of doing it is overwhelming. Do you get somewhere by just spamming "scum"? On April 27 2014 09:04 Koshi wrote: Yes I know. But I came from your game PYP in which MZ did it and I just tunneled him hard core back and I thought you wouldn't do it to me as scum in Survivor. But you did. I was surprised. I shouldn't try to meta this thing. Scummers want my penis a lot on D1 because I am a strange guy on D1. "I shouldn't try to meta this thing" -> "I should blindy trust on other players (whose alignment I don't know) meta." This makes no sense. Funsie bonus: Scummers didn't seem to want Koshi's penis a lot on D1 -> Koshi is probably scum? + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 09:20 Koshi wrote: Koshi his list of how do we read people and people we have already read. 1. Ace (Lynch if he doesn't lynch scum and is smart. If your mouth didn't fall open by the end of D2 because his smartness made you want to insert penis in .... Wait too much penis talk already... we should shenanigans lynch him) 2. Foolishness ( Mouth already full) 3. Sandroba (I like how he was all bossy and short with answers Totes town) 4. Caller ( Somewhere I believe Palmar will be scum, I am optimistic like that, sadly I will never see Palmar flip so my optimism will just be replaced by curiosity and we should lynch this guy D4 or so, dnu if we have like trackers or something and that kp is factional so yeah dnu yet. I am like feeling he is town. Dnu really. Dnu) 5. Palmar (butthurt. Maybe also scum) 6. VE ( scum because reasons given already) 7. prplhz (scum because Foolishness said so) 9. yamato (town because smart and the post in which he says he has no townreads) 10. vayneauthority (town, I just know it) 11. rebirthoflegend (Going to be replaced again) 12. Cephiro (I think he already made a big post and it wasn't at the end of D1 about the start of D1 so he is town atm) 13. alakaslam (town cuz 2 happy) 14. waveofshadow (town cuz good posts) 15. strongandbig (2 smart , also is "all like guis let's talk about stuff" and then doesn't talk about stuff = scum) 16. odinofpergo ( On to something, might be smart town) 17. oatsmaster (dnu, he is probably in crisis now he can't make oneline post taunting people) 18. Blazinghand (town. I am sure. He is actually playing decent. BH as scum plays riddles) 19. tehpoofter ( dnu) 20. Justanothertownie (mehhhhh, always these silly questions JAT, then that outburst towards me, let's call him scum, also because after I called him out for being a hypocrite he quoted something marv always says) 21. Geript ( scum) 22. Gumshoe (???) 23. austinmcc (???) Game probably solved. Like this post is just full of... what. Why even bother trying to write up something on everyone if you clearly don't care to. So much unnecessary filler and "dnu". + Some of these are hilariously fabricated (which, I think Palmar pointed out earlier.) Lots of one-two liners before going to sleep, but it was as he'd just have to use up his remaining posts or to assure everyone that "he had been around near lynch." Well, does anyone see a pro-town motive for "Oats is Oats, I'm sticking on snb", attitude-repetition? On April 29 2014 05:58 Koshi wrote: Why are you asking me these questions in the night? Totes want to see if you need to shoot me? I thought VA was town. Dnu why I asked that question to Sandroba. I think it had something to do with posts I read. Geript not really on prior list atm. why is foolishness town? That's the question! No really. Other people are allowed to do things today/tomorrow. I was also totes up till 3 am yesterday so time for sleep now. I am toying with the idea to reread the thread and post new and fresh thoughts. 11 hours from now. Maybe. I will keep you updated. If mafia wanted to find out if you're worth shooting, why would they be interested in WHY you think something about a player, rather than just WHAT? I'd say it's counterproductive for scum to ask a town why their read is as is, (other than trying to look like other townies curious for the thoughts), as responding to that question gives other townies a thought process and an opinion to bounce off their own conclusions from. So how on earth does asking you anything at night relate to considering you as a shot target, if you assumed JAT was mafia? So you thought VA was town but you never say further why or why not. Scumread geript is not on priority list, why? And last, replying to the question with another question. In Mafia, we don't go by "everyone is mafia until proven otherwise". I'm not saying everyone is town until proven otherwise either, but if you think someone is scum and can't provide a single reason for it.. that says a lot. Why ignore the questions posed at you? On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote: geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter: 1) Oats is town 2) Alakaslam is town 3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass. 4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot. 5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot. 6) RoL useless should be shot. 7) 8) SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well. So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi. So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi. So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro. This is probably the worst post by Koshi in his whole game. While this has been pointed out several times, I'm going to give a short reminder. 1) He claims that a dead town player was wrong regarding two players (which of one we know to be true). 2) Because he was shot -> All his reads must be correct 3) All the reads by dead town player except the ones proven false and that threaten him are correct. Given his style of writing, he intends to push this discussion seriously. Given the above facts, how can you take a person who tries to push the above thing seriously, seriously? On April 29 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: So you are saying they killed geript for WIFOM? That shit rarely happens, and it really rarely happens to somebody who doesn't get nk early normally. Why is he trying to make out so much about something he could never be sure of? It's as if he HAS to find the true reason for the NK to have something to push for. Or maybe just... make your own reads on players based on their behavior? Or is it too hard to fabricate a read, whereas trying to reason your thoughts by mindgaming the nightkills gives you a reason which you otherwise would never have? Who's to say geript didn't sacrifice himself? On April 29 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: This somewhat indicates that Cephiro knows there is a traitor while he didn't read the OP. So yeah, this might have been a slip. Foolishness/Cephiro pls shoot both. They are confirmed mafia or without doubt will never get nk. Maybe Foolishness will get NK if he is town and starts playing. SOoooooo if the first vigi could please SHOOT CEPHIRO. Thank you. Palmar is off the scumlist atm. This one is lolworthy. Because of palmar's claim of "literal traitor claim", he's off the scumlist and I'm such confirmt mafia I should be vigged right away? Like how is this even remotely pro-town play? On April 29 2014 21:40 Koshi wrote: Koshi totes town. . Shoot Foolishness. FOLLOW SANDROBA AND GERIPT CONFIRMED TOWNED. I pushed SnB so hard as I could but somewhere I was also a bit meh about it. But there were no other options except Oats and I just didn't feel Oats as I felt SnB. If this wasn't majority lynch I would have parked my vote on Palmar and went to bed but Palmar wasn't happening. Obviously the lynch on SnB was "wrong" but my case wasn't the worst... I thought I was onto something. Yes, I pushed SnB the way I pushed him... You say it is mafialike but it really just is Koshilike. I do that a lot. Hmm. As scum I also don't really push lynches very hard. I don't play scum a lot but if you read SMB mini mafia you can see I am way more in the background concerning lynching. GoT was a really long time ago but same there. I was a strong voice in the SnB wagon and that is not my scum meta. True story. I just saw that normal ass mini mafia finished and I got shot N2 because I was right on reads (I think, I haven't read scum QT tbh and fuck that shitty game and shitty town), I wasn't right on all my reads but I was right on 1 scumread and 1 easy mislynch. Why was geript shot? It is geript. geript never gets shot N1. Looks like scum has 2 NK max 3 NK. geript was one of the guys scum wanted gone. Like. He must have been right on something right? You could say he might have been right on his Koshi read. But I tell you he wasn't. I am totes town. Give me time. Every game I proof to be more town if the game continues. No bullet for me. So what else could geript be right on? scumreads + townreads probably. Both Oats and Alakaslam are mislynches at least one is going to be town. Otherwise why shoot geript? Because WIFOM? Most likely not. Oats is lurking hardcore and Alakaslam just slipped on the Yamato kill. I KNOW. I READ IT. But still I respect the NK of geript. If you have to pick. Don't kill Koshi. Kill Foolishness. Again, telling everyone to follow the dead people that are confirmed townies. But oh wait, geript thought Koshi was scum. BUT DON'T FOLLOW THAT, BAKA. Yeah... Check the bolded. This is based on geript thinking they are both town. However, at the moment of posting, Koshi thinks Slam is scum and is fine with shooting Oats. First the "trolling" with foolishness. Now seriously trying to get things done with the excuse of reads of dead townies. And then changing his mind again. This is the peak of flip-flopping if anything. On April 29 2014 21:43 Koshi wrote: amagad I just got confirmation geript might have been shot protecting somebody. So the whole read thing might be wrong. Grrr. Ok I retract my townreads on Oats and on Alakaslam. FOOLISHNESS AND CEPHIRO STILL MAFIA Also probably JAT. Care to... give us this confirmation? How would you know if you aren't in a mason circle with a townie that can kill at night, have night kp yourself, or are scum? On April 29 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote: My post on geript his reads being right is probably indeed complete shit. If geript saved somebody his reads don't mean that much at all. Alakaslam looks pretty bad, Oats looks just strange. He looks like giant lynchbait and he doesn't look like that normally. Look at his scumgame in PYP, look at his scumgame in Catastrophe, he isn't this meh D1 as scum. Because we can't be sure that geript was shot by mafia, I can't make these conclusions anymore. Then the question is. Is poofter making a case on me because he knows my posts are total shit? Because he has the answers and while he reads my posts he just goes "amagad this Koshi dude is so fucking wrong, let's push this retard." We will see. Now... do you think these changes of mind which just keep on coming are from a genuine townie? It's like whenever he's called out for flawed play, he admits it was bad such as to get away with it. So Koshi, do you really agree you've played so badly at multiple stages at the game for how hard you've pushed some agendas? Or maybe you're trying to look a bad townie instead of caught scum? Why would we not make a case on you if your posts are total shit? On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote: IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets.! ALERT: WHAT? Not shooting the scum we're most sure on is a bad idea? Should we shoot people we are unsure and leave them unflipped then?? This is just... really people, look at this. Why would you ever want to keep the unsure players unflipped? This suggest such an pro-mafia agenda. On April 30 2014 20:34 Koshi wrote: Sure, posts like sheeping Foolishness for no reason at all on prplhz is getting my scumreads, but I told you people why. I also have sheeped marv in all my previous towngames, till I find a better target. I found a better target in SnB, made a (good) case and lead that wagon. There is nothing scummy about that tbh. And it is TOTALLY AGAINST my scummeta. As said by multiple people. Er nope, you didn't. And wow. Do I really just not know how to read the thread, or why haven't I seen all these people defending Koshi's actions via meta? This seems like another thing just made up. His reaction on the threat being shot by tehpoofter is just over the top. He doesn't keep a cool at all, and tries to react over-the-top emotionally. Like really, am I the only one who thinks that mindless raging with bad reasoning won't ensure others that you're town? Or is really thinking "super emotional reaction -> must be town" that common in here? Koshi's most interesting development of read: Oats: Either -> Townish -> Scum -> Town -> Worth shooting Talk about... changing one's mind. TLDR: Koshi is scum for: 1) Fabricating Stuff 2) Doing wrong stuff and pushing for it intentionally and acting apologetic after being called out for it 3) Dem flip-flops. | ||
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Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:45 OdinOfPergo wrote: Cephiro - This is important. You should listen very closely and so should EVERYONE else. Why the FUCK would the SCUM KOSHI ORDER THE CLAIMED TOWN MARTYR to GTFO off HIM 10 SECONDS after I CLAIMED. Scum DO NOT EVER reply to "Hey Koshi, I believe you are town so much that I am literally willing to die in your place for the chance to prove it." with "FUCK THIS GET YOUR MARTYR OFF ME" There is seriously no fucking way he's scum and replies like that. 1) We have no way of being sure you are town. 2) You could be scum martyr pretending to go on town koshi for cred. 3) You could both be scum playing it for extra cred for you, since as Koshi said, he had doubts on him anyway thus from a scum perspective (if you two are both scum), leaving you alive with this little play is better than leaving Koshi alive with you dying unflipped (which would be -1 for scum anyway.) I do agree that reaction is more likely to come from town, but I'm not a player to not consider the most chaotic strategies. That one reaction is not going to change my overall stance on Koshi. I think he was scum. I'm happy he's dead. I'm not happy with the way he died, as it leaves uncertainty. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Me being wrong or right doesn't change my alignment from what it is. Question to you: Is there a reason you are pointing out your scenario as the only possibility? | ||
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I'm going to vote for Oats because even though I'd be content with Foolishness being lynched as well, I'm more confident on Oats being scum. Also there seems to be more players contesting a Foolishness lynch rather than an Oats one, so I hope my vote is one towards the majority. ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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