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On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them: On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that? The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc. I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse. Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth. Does that seem reasonable to you? not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying scummy guy 1 doesn't show up scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy
Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think.
Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's
Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing.
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On March 20 2014 18:30 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:27 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ixwo69j.png) VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though  I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo? I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ? And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly. Make me some bullet points plz  Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT? what is your point, are you townreading him for that post or not?
Read my posts. I have repeated the same thing about a billion times.
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On March 20 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum
lol.
as a side note: How was mafia scum?
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Like I honestly don't care what GT said about holyflare or if I agree with it. He dropped a vote with a promise of explanation later. Then fucks off forever.
That is like a billion scum points. He then drops his incredibly manufactured looking case and leaves again. more scummy points.
That is like a textbook scum move and something that is a pet peeve of mine as I have stated before.
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On March 20 2014 18:36 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them: On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
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You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that? The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc. I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse. Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth. Does that seem reasonable to you? not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying scummy guy 1 doesn't show up scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think. Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing. OK DP. so djo is willing to stick around and make posts, your argument is that he is willing to allow himself to be read and so we should take advantage of that. so why don't you that? those earlier posts that he was 'reasonable' for making, you gave him a scumread for. at what point do you actually decide that a person who in your oopinion, continues posting scummy things, might actually deserve to be lynched? you are just repeating over and over that djo should be given more time to make posts, then when he makes posts you call the posts scummy but say he should be given more time. is there anything in djo's filter that should eliminate him as a lynch candidate. do not say anything about the fact that he is still posting unless you are going to call any of those posts townie
Not when there are better options. I don't feel like I need to have a timetable to lynch djo. Do I consider there to be better options at the moment? yes, 2 in fact. So until they cease to be better options or they get lynched I don't want to lynch djo. savvy?
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On March 20 2014 18:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
and no i will never lynch poofter. my noobie townie gut reads are historically pretty spot on. it's something i became good at after months of playing on mafiascum lol. as a side note: How was mafia scum? i think most players would learn a lot from playng there even ifms players don't exactly play mafia very well. one thing i did like about the site is that people had a healthy attitude towards imporving, especially towards improving their scum play.
aren't the cycles there like weeks long?
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On March 20 2014 18:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
sometimes. average is about 2 weeks i think? but most of the games use IML
So does town win like every game?
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Yeah Im down with a Giggles lynch.
I'm ill and going to bed so I may not be back before deadline although I will try to be.
For now giggles seems like the best option.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QCI9Jlf.png)
I'll give you guys 30 minutes before I go in case you need anything.
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On March 20 2014 19:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
is giggletummy a smurf? is really small mafia is onyl previous game?
I THINK he is a smurf. I read this:
On January 08 2014 10:24 Giggletummy wrote:Afaik, smurfs have to PM the host and ask to smurf? From the model OP Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 04:50 Qatol wrote:This will be the new home of the model OP. It is still a work in progress, but I'm putting the old Model OP here as a placeholder for now.... Smurfs:On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Did I reveal my secret identity for naught?
When I glanced over his really small filter
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On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right?
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On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense.
I don't care about his case making sense or not. I care about his activity and the way the case looked and felt fake as shit.
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On March 20 2014 21:45 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense. By the way, could you write down your main points against me ? I'd like to discuss what you have against me if you don't mind.
This is the reason I don;t want to lynch djo oats. Look how willing he is to be proactive in pushing discussion. Does that not even give you the smallest amount of pause?
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On March 20 2014 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:45 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense. By the way, could you write down your main points against me ? I'd like to discuss what you have against me if you don't mind. This is the reason I don;t want to lynch djo oats. Look how willing he is to be proactive in pushing discussion. Does that not even give you the smallest amount of pause? Proactive is finding scum. Not this.
And what is GT proactive in doing oats?
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On March 20 2014 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 20 2014 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:45 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense. By the way, could you write down your main points against me ? I'd like to discuss what you have against me if you don't mind. This is the reason I don;t want to lynch djo oats. Look how willing he is to be proactive in pushing discussion. Does that not even give you the smallest amount of pause? Proactive is finding scum. Not this. And what is GT proactive in doing oats? I prefer to lynch Djo over GT. I dont think GT is town.
OK reverse that and that is essentially my position. What is the issue with that?
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On March 20 2014 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually I think GT is town never mind. He fufilled his promise of writing a case, his posts are casual and lighthearted and he seems to be working towards something.
Well I disagree with that.
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On March 20 2014 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok I know what Im thinking now.
DONT LYNCH GT, lynch DJO!
LOL. oats is town.
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On March 20 2014 21:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually I think GT is town never mind. He fufilled his promise of writing a case, his posts are casual and lighthearted and he seems to be working towards something. Well I disagree with that. In what ways is he not doing these things? Or do these things not make him town?
He did the following that made me think he is scum
Made a weird vote on Holy which he says he will explain in a follow up post.
Fails to deliver on that promise for a substantial amount of time.
Comes back with a very fake/polished post on HF.
Disappears before we can cross examine him properly and he is yet to return with deadline approaching.
Failing to deliver on a promised case in a timely manner and reappearing with a highly manufactured fake sounding case is like classic scum.
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On March 20 2014 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so 1 thing mainly.
And its nothing to do with what I pointed out.
I think that his disappearance is unfortunate and not alignment indicative.
How can you know that? did his case not read as fake to you?
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On March 20 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 16:34 DarthPunk wrote:
About Vivax: I don't know. The case on you originally was focusing on the wrong things in my opinion. People have brought up some good points against him, Rayn in particular.
That post in which he wrote a wall on his schedule was poor and scummy.
I actually wouldn't mind flipping him. He is on the grey side of red for me. What are the good points i have brought against Vivax? Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 18:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:28 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 18:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them: On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
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You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that? The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc. I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse. Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth. Does that seem reasonable to you? not really, because those djo posts were so bad that it overrides the fact that he was at least here to make them. here is what you're saying scummy guy 1 doesn't show up scummy guy 2 shows up and says scummy stuff and then you're deciding that scummy guy 2 is being "reasonable" and is worth saving over #1? i think they should at least be equal in scumminess from your point of view, especially considering how any time you talk about anything djo says you call it scummy Fuck no. That is not at all how I should think. Scummy guy one does inexplicable scummy shit and then afk's Scummy guy 2 makes reasonable effort to enter into a productive discourse with his accusers, is willing to answer questions and may prove to be town if given the time and space to hunt for scum and continue his present willingness to talk and communicate effectively. Which is exactly what djo has been doing. I disagree with this post entirely.
It wasn't you it was koshi. And looking back I don't agree with it after all, because it's meta based. and that is not allowed.
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