EPTgiggletummy - it doesn't matter WHEN he posted his reasoning, it is all stuff that you have been saying that I was doing all game. YOU AGREE WITH HIS FUCKING CASE AND VOTE HIM OVER TEHPOOFTER WHO YOU MADE A GIANT CASE ON STRAIGHT AWAY CALLING HIM 100% SCUM
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giggletummy - it doesn't matter WHEN he posted his reasoning, it is all stuff that you have been saying that I was doing all game. YOU AGREE WITH HIS FUCKING CASE AND VOTE HIM OVER TEHPOOFTER WHO YOU MADE A GIANT CASE ON STRAIGHT AWAY CALLING HIM 100% SCUM | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:15 Vivax wrote: You mean you nitpicked a part of my case that you felt was easy to discredit? Do I have to assume that you found the other points good since you didn't comment on them? Ie him saying he didn't read GT cause he promised reasoning, not wondering why he would post so little in a range of roughly 1 h? Ie him agreeing with your case, then telling his scumread(?) to back off from him, then asking you if you think that a specific bit would come from a scum DP? I responded to your last post, how is that nitpicking? "he said in the first 3 hours of the game" was your only point in that post that i responded to, why are you so angry that i'm not paying attention to what you've written yet? | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:26 Vivax wrote: I made a case with multiple points in it, you responded to one point of it. That is nitpicking. Consider all the information or don't write about it. Besides Poofter can perfectly answer to it by himself, hence I see no reason to defend him as town unless you have a point that proves he's town, which neither you nor thrawn brought up after I requested it. If you aren't sure about his alignment then you have no reason to defend him cause you need him to talk to figure it out. Moral of the story: Don't take away pressure from my scumread unless you have a damn good reason to, which you don't seem to have. Scum-or-dumb-points to both of you. you are dumb, if when nitpicked over individual points some of them don't have to come from a scum mindset but can come from a town mindset then your case contains fundamentally flawed logic because you are adding null points to bolster a case on someone that shouldn't exist in your case in the first place | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:36 Vivax wrote: What Poofter did in regards to reacting to DP, townreading you and giving giggletummy a free pass after posting all that fluff are points that do not rely on each other. Even making one invalid, the other still stand. That guy is scum and you are bad and should feel bad for not having your vote on him. Reading your filter I also noticed you tried to paint me as scummy for the way I replied to Koshi based on shitty meta. What was the point of all that since apparently you aren't pushing me as your scumread? I pointed out that it was odd giving that you had a totally different reaction to the same principal in the game we just played. I haven't read poofter and don't intend to till i've done this dp thing, is that a problem? I don't think it is because even if he is scum I need to find the others too. | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XKHvMrs.png) He lied. He tried to cover it up. He changed his story. He is scum. This is apparently the same reasoning you have on me lol but i know I'm town so why can't he be? | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:43 Tehpoofter wrote: @HF Do you know vivax and DP play? Is tunneling this poorly on a town indicative of either's alignment? Like I read DP as town from his filter even though hes wrong. Vivax in my opinion could have jumped on the Rayn thing if he was mafia I basically set him up for early but maybe it was super obvious idk. So I actually read them both as town but to me their case is like way too much harping on a little bit of phrasing so just want to see what you think about if this is alignment indicative of either of them. Dp is scum and if you read his filter you'd know it. He even just tried to give you an out "if you are town prove it" despite previously calling you 100% scum, a liar that is scum etc etc. Vivax.. Idk he's asking for your reads so meh | ||
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Originally I stated that DP is inquisitive, questioning things etc etc as town. This is completely true. Read his filters PLEASE I urge you to. Don't just sit idly by and let him get further on in this game. This behaviour was not shown AT ALL in the start of the game and ONLY changed when I pointed out that he was not doing it. His stances were incredibly wishy washy on everything he was saying and were only there to spread doubt on players. Compare this to his normal game where he asks questions, pushes people for answers, makes conclusions. You see posts that backtrack themselves one after the other: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. On March 19 2014 07:10 DarthPunk wrote: Hmm. He could be scum then. I hadn't read that game so I thought this adventure stuff/ bad cases was his town meta (sadly). That being said I think the early push on me gives him townie points (sadly) he did it in Vengeful as town and would you really want to make a case like that if you are scum? Like in Cultured his first case is at least borderline legitimate. It seems like he is putting ALOT more effort into it in comparison. Anyway the thing to do I think, is to just wait and see what he does. Either he starts making meaningful contributions or he doesn't. It should be pretty straightforward after that. The red and blue are contradictions within the same post. It's so meek that it can't be town DP. I just want to re-iterate. DP IS NOT THIS WISHY WASHY AS TOWN Then there was: On March 19 2014 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn was like Fuck yeah I am town. And then peace out. That is like the Anti-rayn. Perhaps it is the end of days. Perhaps Rayn is scum. Perhaps he is just busy. Find out next time in: 'Nothing much is happening Mafia' which he got heavily called out on and then later admitted it was a "joke" but palmar was weird for picking up on it (never questioned again), this post can ONLY be used to spread doubt, rayn does that as both alignments and DP KNOWS this but still says it's anti-rayn? The second half I can see as a joke, the first bit he is trying to spread lies and slander intentionally. Either way, joke or not, he TRIES to fit in the game by asking questions now: Also what do you think about holyflare's hopeless push? On March 19 2014 07:36 DarthPunk wrote: This is a good post. If a ten headed hydra IMPROVES coags usual play I will fucking die. LMAO. SO yeah the post is in fact not good because of said dissonance. he liked the post, was told to reread, copied what people were saying "dissonance between first and second" (hint: there wasn't any) and then started getting all trolly as shit to coag: On March 19 2014 08:20 DarthPunk wrote: That is kind of funny because you hopped onto my wagon as soon as the game started. But now it is you that is under pressure it is too early to read alignments? On March 19 2014 08:22 DarthPunk wrote: Basically my vote doesn't look so bad now when there are like 5 people posting from one account at the same time does it. #Vindicated (there was only 1) On March 19 2014 08:28 DarthPunk wrote: (disregards everything koshi says to paint coag in a better light)Seems shit to me. And I feel vindicated. Don't go walking in my sunshine Koshi. On March 19 2014 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: There is no way it is only coag posting. Basically having played many games with coag my expert meta analysis says that coag rarely cares or rages this much, and since when does he say bro? OMGUS hydra going strong. Destroy it. On March 19 2014 08:32 DarthPunk wrote: That would be a good point, but then they are a 5-10 head hydra so contradiction can be explained away for that reason. Which is why we should just policy lynch him/ vig him and be done with it. READ THIS ABOVE ALL ELSE BECAUSE WTF THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN After everything DP berates me for - my troll post on coag policy. His overdefensiveness to justify the troll post policy, the fact that he "doesn't care if a hydra is pro town or scum" and doesn't care about their alignment or anything because it's a policy: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. he does this: On March 19 2014 09:45 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote Coag is basically confirmed town. Like wtf shit? NO SHIT COAG WOULD POST HIS SEAL AS TOWN. The whole point of the original policy, everything about the joke post DP calls me scum for. It all points to the fact that DP wants to policy a coag hydra above all else, coag would of course post his seal as town, it's coag ffs. So why when he does that does DP COMPLETELY CHANGE EVERY PREVIOUS POLICY IF HE MEANT IT THIS GAME JESUS CHRIST. There is also a disconnect in his train of thought completely. Remember earlier in the game where I questioned koshi about his defensiveness on coag? Yeh, DP sheeped it and called it his own and asked him questions about how he didn't think coag was defensive compared to him, it looked odd for koshi to point it out but in the end, nothing came out of that and people started calling koshi town so this followed: On March 19 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote: It feels like Rayn is the Sheriff and Koshi is the Deputy. In DP's viewpoint koshi was defending someone heavily based on points that weren't true and the guy ended up being town so DP should be more suspicious but then suddenly everything falls away and koshi is deputy to rayn! Next logical fallacy that happens is tehpoofter situation. Remember (i'm going to keep drumming this into you) that DP is inquisitive, he asks questions and pushes to make conclusions. Yeh, what happened around tehpoofter situation? Tehpoofter is new and makes a post that looks fairly bad. Rather than push or question DP MAKES A FULL BLOWN FUCKING CASE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?page=43#855 out of like 2 posts, it's scummy because a) he hasn't asked tehpoofter any questions, b) the guy is new to forum mafia and came from video where reads like list posts are standard. DP in fact, ONLY QUESTIONS TEHPOOFTER AFTER HE SAID THIS GUY IS 100% SCUM. Why would you make a case with such a giant wall of text and call someone 100% scum and THEN question them and not the other way around???? Not to mention, DP carries many logical inconsistencies between players: On March 19 2014 12:49 Holyflare wrote: How can you call this guy with 100 posts on the forum scum when hopeless made even more useless reads and fails to even clarify them and hopeless plays a shit tonne of forum mafia. The same with giggletummy. There is no asking him to elaborate there is no questioning. Just a case and bam he's scum. DP you have fallen very far. On March 19 2014 12:53 Holyflare wrote: What makes this guy scum over everyone else that has done the same thing? Why do you pick and choose when to use the 'bad towns use bad meta' for hopeless but not the 'bad towns make wishy washy lists' for him? On March 19 2014 12:52 Holyflare wrote: Why ignore the entirety of what i wrote and just pick out the bit about you? Why is he scum when he is brand new to forum mafia over hopeless who did the same thing but is not new? Why not giggletummy who put a vote down while agreeing with the person he is voting? His responses were "I don't care what hopeless does this guys is mafia". IT GETS MORE WEIRD THAN THIS So he still thinks tehpoofter is scum, his responses don't add up to him that's cool and all but then his top scum suspects are tehpoofter and giggletummy till giggle responds which he DID do. DP NEVER COMMENTS ON GIGGLES POST AT ALL EVER IN ANY CONTEXT WHATSOEVER THIS IS THE ONLY THING HE SAYS: On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him. On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him. On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him. Giggletummy posted his case on me, it was ALL THE POINTS DP WAS SAYING I WAS SCUM FOR AND THEN HE VOTES GIGGLETUMMY when he should be agreeing with him on those points because they are the same logic that DP is using. HE VOTES GIGGLE OVER TEHPOOFTER WHO HE SAID WAS 100% SCUM. He also says that he won't vote djo, despite finding his posts bad, despite looking like his wishy washy posts from another game over giggle who he should be agreeing with based on the case he made. How is anyone following what DP says as towny? Then there is all this which I wrote before I started writing the rest On March 20 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote: I think your narrative is a load of shit Holyflare. At first you were adamant only the first 'case' against me was a joke. Now you are saying both cases against me were jokes. But that is a fucking lie. And you haven't stopped tunnelling me since. Now after that you start going on about me being overdefensive or whatever and not playing like the ONE! other town game you have played in. BUt in that game I was not full tunnelled from the beginning of the game onwards. The second case which you say was a joke was preceded with 'dp is legitimately scum' So I call massive bullshit on you holy flare. First and foremost, this is an incredible crock of shit. At no point have I 'changed' my storyline or anything like DP mentions. There is no evidence of that, he hasn't linked it at all and it just didn't happen. This was also funny considering in vengeful I did the exact same thing: The meta evidence is incredibly overwhelming, look at the super similarities between each opening post and this one here! Conclusive evidence that DP is in fact playing to his scum meta. He had trouble seeing this was from scum holyflare originally because it happened in vengeful yet suddenly I must be scum and full of shit for posting a REAL CASE BASED ON SOMETHING HE SAID HE'D DO AS EITHER ALIGNMENT. It's hilarious that people listened to this because it quite clearly was a joke. Here + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 19:12 DarthPunk wrote: Thrawn I'll tell you what I think of HF, He is a massive douche bag and is making me regret joining this game. I WOULD love to call him scum for it but he JUST did the EXACT same thing to me in our previous game to the point that I rage quit the thread. So he is probably town. The thing is that he has done this when I am scum and now that I am town he is also doing it., so I am really fucking frustrated that Holyflare decides to be a massive prick and tunnel me from the first hour of the game onwards. Like in last game he LITERALLY did the exact same thing. Made a 'joke' case that was trash that all of a sudden turned into a 'real' case because of nothing at all. So yeah. I am really pissed off and don't want to deal with him and the sad thing is this is probably his town play so I can't even lynch him for it and have to put up with this bullshit until I die. Effectively ruining any chance I had at having fun in this game. I want to know what VE is doing considering he was supposed to be catching up with the thread. Like in last game he LITERALLY did the exact same thing. Made a 'joke' case that was trash that all of a sudden turned into a 'real' case because of nothing at all. On March 20 2014 08:59 DarthPunk wrote: He is a liar and I'm not sold on his townieness like everyone else seems to be. He was a dick to me KNOWING it was going to shit up the thread and make me useless.(something he said i was town for earlier) His story keeps changing and he lies when it is convenient for him to do so. He thought thrawn was scum after he posted the towniest townie town post. Yeah. Holyflare could easily be scum IMO. I know no one will agree with me. But he is a liar about the cases he made. He calls them serious when it suits him and jokes when it suits him and his tunnel on me and being an arsehat in generaly was anti town and created a horrible atmosphere. (already proven to be a joke, he admitted it was a joke, suddenly backtracks on everything says i'm lying about it being a joke and now i'm scum despite him calling me town) Next, his stance on hopeless: On March 20 2014 08:31 DarthPunk wrote: It's been explained to him, it has been baby'd down 1000x times for him, he never listened UNTIL rayn said something and at that point he did a COMPLETE 180 on hopeless:No it's the hopeless/Cultured/scooby do bullshit that is hard to understand unless you played in those games. before rayn said something despite me talking about hopeless 24/7 On March 19 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote: Maybe my viewpoint is clouded by being pissed off at holyflare but I really don't think we should lynch hopeless today. after rayn said something (which was pretty much ctrl+c of what i said) On March 19 2014 13:25 DarthPunk wrote: Eh, i'm not in love with Hopeless after all. I still don't think he is scum but I don't have a big enough town read on him to fight you both for his lynch. I would rather lynch this poofter guy though. That dude is legit scum. He makes no effort to read into one of the top scum candidates for the day. Many people talked about him, many questioned him yet DP has nothing to say other than he liked hopeless' case on me (which didn't exist either) and won't bring up the subject again. He takes no stance on someone that is genuinely scummy, mentions nothing else about him and wants to lynch into poofter/djo without considering hopeless but then votes giggle. | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. Hey guess when that was. Oh yeh after the hydra joke. Guess what you said about it "you did the same thing in vengeful" Hey look who is the liar now, it's you! Scum numver 1 re-caught! | ||
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