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On February 28 2014 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 20:25 Vivax wrote:
Oh and of course I was a possible counterpush to suki's lynch until I claimed. Well tbh your play before and after the claim is like day and night. heh.--
Well as you said I get pissed when people think I am scum and just don't listen to the explanations I give them.
That's why I felt so good rubbing it in WoS face that I can't be scum, and asked him how sure he is I'm scum before claiming.
Of course you can't know if my claim is true until I shoot or die, but from my perspective I felt untouchable all game long cause of the role I have.
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I know you most likely did and it fits. It's just that if you are not viewed as town you usually are not listened very well.
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On February 28 2014 20:19 Vivax wrote:
Dunno, I think we got a scared or lazy scum team given that the pre-lynch resistance against suki's lynch comes mostly from people I believe to be town.
Like, if scum had any hope to deflect that lynch it was by pushing Mocsta. Hard and well before suki got all that attention upon her.
JJD preferred gumshoe who was a more unlikely lynch and Mocsta was just kind of a meh vote, so I have my doubts about him being scum.
This is a novel argument btw. The one you want me to touch upon is that I think JJD wouldn't go all out and simply call her town when being poked for it. At least there should be some reasoning cause he would know he'd be called out for it later.
But I prefer the former points as explanation to this one.
Ok, I can agree with that about JJD for now. To be honest, I don't think you would have gotten lynched regardless of the claim.
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I just don't see the possibility of any other scumteam than Toad + JJD. Like that is the easiest explanation to me, others make very little sense.
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Okay so 20 posts and i make a fucking big case on all the scum in this game.
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Before my claim:
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. Show nested quote +K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"
Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. Show nested quote +But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. Show nested quote +Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again.
Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. Show nested quote +OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up. Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made. So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
##Vote: Jar Jar
On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.
Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
On February 28 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2014 03:50 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote:
No one is willing to lynch geript? Are you reading the thread gum? This still stands. Geript
In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. We did for at least 24 hours . He choose to ignore his chance and is back at it, hence I am voting it. Now can you do the same as you promised and vote him with me because he claimed mafia? Where did he claim 0_0. and ultimatly I'm just not going to vote for someone I no longer think is scum, today I will lynch (in this order) Jar, vivax and suki. No one else.
After my claim:
On February 28 2014 06:08 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense: On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:##vote GumshoeFirst off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. Wat³ You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar. On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:More similarities between GSL and this game On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer. Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum? I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame. And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo. I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me. I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point. Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this, Show nested quote +I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread . Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association.##Unovte
##Vote: Suki
Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order.
After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched.
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I tell you: When I claimed, that's when he got cold feet, then suddenly he threw all his quite unexplained preferences overboard, and that while saying my claim was null.
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Also the association thingy he mentions at last is mega shitty. In his association, JarJar is scum when suki flips town and he's scum when she flips scum.
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On February 28 2014 21:05 Vivax wrote:
Also the association thingy he mentions at last is mega shitty. In his association, JarJar is scum when suki flips town and he's scum when she flips scum.
So gumshoe basically puts himself in a situation where he calls one mafia and one townie scum and there is no way back? I am not sure if this makes sense from scum pov.
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Even if he magically would have gotten JarJar lynched he would need to lynch suki next.
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Unless he wants to go back to explaining what the fuck was up with the raging to me for no reason and he wasn't even right. 
I highly doubt gumshoe is mafia tbh.. It just does not fit.
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On February 28 2014 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 21:05 Vivax wrote:
Also the association thingy he mentions at last is mega shitty. In his association, JarJar is scum when suki flips town and he's scum when she flips scum. So gumshoe basically puts himself in a situation where he calls one mafia and one townie scum and there is no way back? I am not sure if this makes sense from scum pov.
I don't get this. He didn't want to lynch suki (first) before my claim, JarJar posts that other association thingy, gumshoe doesn't jump on it. He only jumps on it after my claim to use it as his justification for voting suki.
It would have been more realistic if he said that he's voting suki cause he can't lynch me or JarJar, not use that shoddy reasoning for it.
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Of course gum makes sense, that explains why his suspicion of suki in his first post felt so fake to me. He calls her scummy for crafted play and then offers her the alternate explanations for her play from a town PoV and asks her to pick the one she prefers.
Suspicion on, suspicion off on your scumbuddy. Early bus with no real intent behind it. If he could think of the townie explanation for her behaviour, then what's the point of calling it out.
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At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( :
Also this post is just ugh.
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On February 28 2014 21:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 21:05 Vivax wrote:
Also the association thingy he mentions at last is mega shitty. In his association, JarJar is scum when suki flips town and he's scum when she flips scum. So gumshoe basically puts himself in a situation where he calls one mafia and one townie scum and there is no way back? I am not sure if this makes sense from scum pov. I don't get this. He didn't want to lynch suki (first) before my claim, JarJar posts that other association thingy, gumshoe doesn't jump on it. He only jumps on it after my claim to use it as his justification for voting suki. It would have been more realistic if he said that he's voting suki cause he can't lynch me or JarJar, not use that shoddy reasoning for it.
I know, but that would also look much better on him and i am pretty sure gumshoe would know that as mafia.
I just can't figure out his mindset if he is scum. Like he goes into the game hard defending a townie pretty much everyone found at least somewhat suspicious, then he busses his godfather and yells me about these two things, then he makes a case on another townie that is most likely not gonna get lynched anyways because he does not even really push the case, then he creates the association between that townie and his godfather which kinda ensures he must bus even if suki survives D1 lynch. And then he kills his godfather. It just does not make sense to me.
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Anyway Toad and geript need to get in here.
Especially Toad cause he didn't post since deadline.
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I am back and here's the plan. Shoot me Vivax, lynch geript next day.
Awesome lynch on GF yesterday and that's cool but there's no way in hell I can motivate myself to do a thing with geript still going for me for some horsecrap reasons and now that I've been on the not-GF voteend I can see how it would make sense for some of you to end up thinking that maybe even a blind hen sometimes finds a grain of corn, geript will have another day of doing absolutely nothing and this won't go anywhere.
Mammy told me to play to my wincon and I don't think this goes against it as it completly eliminates confusion for you and gives you a much cleared lynch d2:
Don't shoot someone else Vivax, just shoot me in the face, I'll flip green, you have that out of the way and can start looking at people that really are scummy and Geript has no excuse whatsoever to waste another day. We're not going to lose by having a vig shoot the wrong guy after lynching GF day1 and I'm going to be a burden for the rest of the game, rather have that be taken out by a vig than a non-commital lynch that ends up being nothing but "herpaderp, totally didn't vote Suki" and you get nothing out of it information-wise, Sorry for screwing up d1, seems like mafia was lurking and happy at how WoS/Rayn/Toad were on the wrong track all along and probably was confident that town would eventually end up following one of our, apparently wrong reads.
That's it for now, see you in roughly 12 hours,
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I don't get it Toad there's so much to work with and you still focus on this geript stuff. You both are doing the same shit for all I care.
You're also not considering the chance that mafia have a roleblocker, or you know it and hence feel safe writing the martiry post.
Like, how hard is it to simply ignore geript for a moment and maybe talk about the game.
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I'm telling you to shoot me. Why would mafia RB you if I tell you to shoot me...
I did drop geript for the longest part of d1 and he completly refused to work with us. This needs two people and at some point I'll just stop pretending talking to a wall will solve issues because it clearly doesn't do shit except for wasting my time.
Also I don't really think geript is that likely to be mafia anymore, I just want to take a dig at him for being a retard I'm never going to play again with if he so happens to flip town, which I am inclined to believe right now and once I'm dead you can figure out if he's just a common retard of a scummy retard. Anyways, that's been it for me.
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