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Vivax
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote: I don't see how your flip would make people want to lynch geript more. On February 28 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote: [...] Also I don't really think geript is that likely to be mafia anymore, I just want to take a dig at him for being a retard I'm never going to play again with if he so happens to flip town, which I am inclined to believe right now and once I'm dead you can figure out if he's just a common retard or a scummy retard. Anyways, that's been it for me. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 16:55 Mocsta wrote: So I'm really conflicted on JJD. On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way. Note the votecount just before this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural. FYI that votecount was wrong and gumshoe was on me not suki. | ||
JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote: No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego. On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote: I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline. Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do. On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote: Final Votecount Mocsta (5) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (5) - Vivax (1) - And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta. On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote: Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave | ||
JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 21:02 Vivax wrote: Before my claim: After my claim: Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order. After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched. You claimed the role that you were the most capable of proving, even though the claim itself means nothing really, it hurts us in no way whatsoever to wait and see what happens with it. Theres nothing wierd about me postponing the push on you just to wait and see about your role, in fact if I was scum, I would want to see you lynched before you got your shot and became confirmed blue, would have at least tried. As for lynching Suki, I was always down with that, just wanted to see Jar die more because he was actively fighting me at the time. You argue here that after your claim, I consolidated onto Suki and let go of my jar jar lynch, which makes no fucking sense if I'm red. If I was scum, why not just pull a geript and stay on Jar(as in abstain from voting for the two candidates in favour of my own vendetta), a lynch that would never happen. Suki would've been saved / : Moc gets mislynched, and it's not even really my fault, whats not to love? Oh, why did I get so mad? I dont mind getting mislynched, it's funny, I can give people shit about it months after a game is over. What I really hate is when I know some one is green and I cant stop thier mislynch, I feel I've failed them, all of town and myself. In fact I'm not even that mad about Mocs modkill, cause there was nothing I could do to prevent it XD not my fault in any way whatsoever. But if I failed to convince Rayn day 1, and his vote had been the deciding one on Moc, I woulda been pissed ) : that and your nitpicky ways anger me sometimes Rayn : P Finally, in general alot of people have been accusing me of gaps in reasoning. Truth is I'm not much of a facts guy, I'll never be the one to point to a mistake and demand an explanation unless I can specifically tie that mistake to a motive. When I play mafia as town, it's all about the existing narratives, they're all there in the thread, vying for my attention and at any moment I might need to go all in on one. Basically I'm looking at this game in a weirder way, which is why often my play can look odd, if not down right scummy. When I am actually scum though, I instead craft narratives and feed those to the greens, I dont hand out all the existing ones in hopes that they're careless enough to not bother having the conversation that were having right now. This is simply because I enjoy the act of convincing people through lies more than I enjoy having flimsy "town cred", susceptible to the whims of the greens and blues, and gained at the cost of my invaluable allies lives. There, I've explained myself as sincerley as I can, but theres really not much you can do when the argument agains you is "hes playing too good!" XD I mean, even if I do present a good defence, doesn't that just make me look scummier? In all seriousness though, this Gumshoe lynch sounds pretty boss, I noticed something else fishy. Gumshoe on Gumshoe: I dont know if you guys have noticed, but everyone else has treated Vivax's shot as if it's going to go off, but Gumshoe seems extremely hesitant, it's as if he already knows Vivax is getting an rb and is seeding the lynch onto him for tomorrow. Surprised no ones mentioned this. My proposal for tonights shot is still on Jar, dude started buddying with Suki early on, and then tried to associate me with her as scum because he knew shed flip red. Otherwise theres no reason he would abandon a green read hes had since games start and had defend thoroughly till then. That and this is what Suki had to say about him all game long My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question. Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game. Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads. Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity. Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3. If we have a dt, I propose they look at Toad, his shoot me claim is null if hes scum, because he will just have the role blocker ping vivax if he thinks hes actually going to get shot. | ||
Vivax
21699 Posts
He had no choice given he posted points on her earlier (and skipped them at some point to go after JJD based on pre-flip association stuff) | ||
Vivax
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote: At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( : On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote: Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact. Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. I stopped believing his claim the moment he claimed vig, he took on the role with the easiest pay load, why would I want to lynch him then? God your such scum Jar Jar T_T IT HURTS, IT HURTS MY VERY SOUL. Besides, lets assume Vax is vig, and his shot goes off tonight on a townie, we would still have two mislynches. You can all still afford to listen to me, it's worked out so far. If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point | ||
JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote: Yep, see my previous post.If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point | ||
Vivax
21699 Posts
My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier. | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote: Yeah gum good to see you're here. Can you explain to me how you posted multiple points about suki, then dropped it to go after JJD, that way putting suki on the backburner until after I claimed? My read on Jar was one of asociation with Suki, they buddied like hell, but if I was to say one was scum and one town, it would be Jar as scum, because Suki had decent reads and usually came up with her own pushes, where as jar jars motives lined up with hers almost perfectly and his play/ reads were bad from my view. Also if I was scum, why not stay on Jar? Is he scum too? Great, kill him anyways. I voted Suki cause Jar wasnt going to be lynched and suki was still in my top 3. As for your claim, I've said it before I'll say it again, not going to lynch the most powerful blue role until he gets his shot. End of story. I'd like to remind you all, you are the ones arguing the harder postion (that I am intentionally playing sub optimally to win). It is not my job to convince you, tell me my motives, or accept the fact that your lynch of me is merely praying on town paranoia and a desire within each player to personally win the game. | ||
JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax. | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:31 Vivax wrote: Gum I really don't want to kill you out of the blue and I just want to know if you're town or not. My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier. Isnt that key? You dont want to kill me out of the blue? But you do wanna kill me dont you XD Also the post you mentioned was brought up long before your claim You start distancing yourself. You abandon your game long town read on Suki on the basis that you think I bussed my team mate right off the bat. This theory is dumb, it assumes I am utterly incompetent and the only reason I can imagine you abandoning Suki for it is if you know shes going to flip scum, and your trying to discard your relation with her as quickly as possible. What more the positioning of this post makes suki being scum imply that I'm scum as opposed to you bieng scum, which is exactly what I would do if I was worried about being brought down along with her. Also if I'm lynched , youve set it up so that suki looks town, because you scum read her purely based off your read of me. February 28 2014 05:29. Your claim February 28 2014 06:05. No but I can tell that you're either awful at reading me or scum. I'm a blue. The reasoning was initially there a whole half an hour before your claim. honestly I switched onto Suki because I wasnt going to waste my vote on someone whose not getting lynched. That is because I am town, if I was scum, I would just stay on Jar Jar. Like, your arguing an inconsistency that in no way proves I'm scum, because theres no reason for me to switch off of Jar Jar if thats the case. | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: And the other the other thing about GSL is how he always added his scumbuddy mordanis in his scumreads. The difference there was mord wasnt in danger of being lynched so he never had to vote for him. Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax. Of course I'd vote Vivax, because hes scum XD his claim is disgustingly convenient. You know what, I've called everything else in this game so far so why not, calling it now, Vivax's shot will not go off, because there is no shot. What am I willing to bet? My life of course. Take careful aim "Vig". | ||
Vivax
21699 Posts
This person comments on multiple people being scummy for some reason, two of them being called out. The person calls some of suki's points legitimate at some point, but at no point calls anything scummy about suki, only asks her a question about the town atmosphere thing. The person calls out Mocsta and TheChyz as scummy, but when the person has to decide it justifies its vote on suki by arguing that most townreads are on her, and doesn't argue for Mocsta being more scummy over suki despite calling him scummy earlier, but never saying much about suki. And the person iiiis? | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact. Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. No, I coulda stayed on you 0_o Geript did just that with Toad. I easily could have done the same, I just would have made sure to leave the lynch before hand. | ||
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