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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 28 2014 13:37 GMT
#1981
I don't see how your flip would make people want to lynch geript more.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 28 2014 14:18 GMT
#1982
On February 28 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
I don't see how your flip would make people want to lynch geript more.

On February 28 2014 22:29 Toadesstern wrote:
[...]
Also I don't really think geript is that likely to be mafia anymore, I just want to take a dig at him for being a retard I'm never going to play again with if he so happens to flip town, which I am inclined to believe right now and once I'm dead you can figure out if he's just a common retard or a scummy retard. Anyways, that's been it for me.

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 14:27 GMT
#1983
Well there is another scum out there even if geript is mafia. Do you want to help us finding them out Toad?
table for two on a tv tray
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 14:49 GMT
#1984
On February 28 2014 16:55 Mocsta wrote:
So I'm really conflicted on JJD.

On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way.
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote:

I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe.
Guess its the latter

Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first

On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere?

Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes:

I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.

Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
Note the votecount just before this post
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On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (2) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho

Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural.

FYI that votecount was wrong and gumshoe was on me not suki.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:01 GMT
#1985
On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote:
No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego.

On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
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On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?

On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke



I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline.

Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do.


On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote:
Final Votecount

Mocsta (5) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki, Cavalinho

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (5) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki




And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta.
On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave



JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:14 GMT
#1986
And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact.

Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town.

In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 15:16 GMT
#1987
Well he could have not vote for suki?
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:21 GMT
#1988
On February 28 2014 21:02 Vivax wrote:
Before my claim:

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.

K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far.

But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc.

Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again.

Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:


Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.

Suki reads very town to me.


Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to.

and finally back onto me.

OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up.


Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.

I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game.

I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made.

So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.

##Vote: Jar Jar



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On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.

Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.


Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:50 gumshoe wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote:
No one is willing to lynch geript? Are you reading the thread gum?


This still stands.

Geript

In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people.


We did for at least 24 hours . He choose to ignore his chance and is back at it, hence I am voting it. Now can you do the same as you promised and vote him with me because he claimed mafia?


Where did he claim 0_0. and ultimatly I'm just not going to vote for someone I no longer think is scum, today I will lynch (in this order) Jar, vivax and suki. No one else.


After my claim:

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:08 gumshoe wrote:
On February 28 2014 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:

On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##vote Gumshoe

First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.

Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.


I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.

On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
More similarities between GSL and this game

On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?


Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.



On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.




Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum?
I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame.
And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo.

I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me.
I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point.


Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this,
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread
.

Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association.

##Unovte

##Vote: Suki


Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order.

After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched.


You claimed the role that you were the most capable of proving, even though the claim itself means nothing really, it hurts us in no way whatsoever to wait and see what happens with it. Theres nothing wierd about me postponing the push on you just to wait and see about your role, in fact if I was scum, I would want to see you lynched before you got your shot and became confirmed blue, would have at least tried.

As for lynching Suki, I was always down with that, just wanted to see Jar die more because he was actively fighting me at the time. You argue here that after your claim, I consolidated onto Suki and let go of my jar jar lynch, which makes no fucking sense if I'm red. If I was scum, why not just pull a geript and stay on Jar(as in abstain from voting for the two candidates in favour of my own vendetta), a lynch that would never happen. Suki would've been saved / : Moc gets mislynched, and it's not even really my fault, whats not to love?

Oh, why did I get so mad? I dont mind getting mislynched, it's funny, I can give people shit about it months after a game is over. What I really hate is when I know some one is green and I cant stop thier mislynch, I feel I've failed them, all of town and myself. In fact I'm not even that mad about Mocs modkill, cause there was nothing I could do to prevent it XD not my fault in any way whatsoever. But if I failed to convince Rayn day 1, and his vote had been the deciding one on Moc, I woulda been pissed ) : that and your nitpicky ways anger me sometimes Rayn : P

Finally, in general alot of people have been accusing me of gaps in reasoning. Truth is I'm not much of a facts guy, I'll never be the one to point to a mistake and demand an explanation unless I can specifically tie that mistake to a motive. When I play mafia as town, it's all about the existing narratives, they're all there in the thread, vying for my attention and at any moment I might need to go all in on one. Basically I'm looking at this game in a weirder way, which is why often my play can look odd, if not down right scummy.

When I am actually scum though, I instead craft narratives and feed those to the greens, I dont hand out all the existing ones in hopes that they're careless enough to not bother having the conversation that were having right now. This is simply because I enjoy the act of convincing people through lies more than I enjoy having flimsy "town cred", susceptible to the whims of the greens and blues, and gained at the cost of my invaluable allies lives.

There, I've explained myself as sincerley as I can, but theres really not much you can do when the argument agains you is "hes playing too good!" XD I mean, even if I do present a good defence, doesn't that just make me look scummier?

In all seriousness though, this Gumshoe lynch sounds pretty boss, I noticed something else fishy.

Gumshoe on Gumshoe: I dont know if you guys have noticed, but everyone else has treated Vivax's shot as if it's going to go off, but Gumshoe seems extremely hesitant, it's as if he already knows Vivax is getting an rb and is seeding the lynch onto him for tomorrow. Surprised no ones mentioned this.

My proposal for tonights shot is still on Jar, dude started buddying with Suki early on, and then tried to associate me with her as scum because he knew shed flip red. Otherwise theres no reason he would abandon a green read hes had since games start and had defend thoroughly till then. That and this is what Suki had to say about him all game long

My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.


Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question.


Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game.


Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads.

Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity.


Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3. If we have a dt, I propose they look at Toad, his shoot me claim is null if hes scum, because he will just have the role blocker ping vivax if he thinks hes actually going to get shot.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 28 2014 15:22 GMT
#1989
How when he had been pushing her prior to that?
He had no choice given he posted points on her earlier (and skipped them at some point to go after JJD based on pre-flip association stuff)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 28 2014 15:25 GMT
#1990
Yeah gum good to see you're here. Can you explain to me how you posted multiple points about suki, then dropped it to go after JJD, that way putting suki on the backburner until after I claimed?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:25 GMT
#1991
more similairities between this game GSL
On February 28 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:
At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( :


On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote:
Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his.

gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:26 GMT
#1992
On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact.

Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town.

In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it.


I stopped believing his claim the moment he claimed vig, he took on the role with the easiest pay load, why would I want to lynch him then? God your such scum Jar Jar T_T IT HURTS, IT HURTS MY VERY SOUL.

Besides, lets assume Vax is vig, and his shot goes off tonight on a townie, we would still have two mislynches. You can all still afford to listen to me, it's worked out so far. If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:28 GMT
#1993
On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote:
If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point
Yep, see my previous post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 28 2014 15:31 GMT
#1994
Gum I really don't want to kill you out of the blue and I just want to know if you're town or not.

My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:32 GMT
#1995
On March 01 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote:
Yeah gum good to see you're here. Can you explain to me how you posted multiple points about suki, then dropped it to go after JJD, that way putting suki on the backburner until after I claimed?


My read on Jar was one of asociation with Suki, they buddied like hell, but if I was to say one was scum and one town, it would be Jar as scum, because Suki had decent reads and usually came up with her own pushes, where as jar jars motives lined up with hers almost perfectly and his play/ reads were bad from my view.

Also if I was scum, why not stay on Jar? Is he scum too? Great, kill him anyways. I voted Suki cause Jar wasnt going to be lynched and suki was still in my top 3.

As for your claim, I've said it before I'll say it again, not going to lynch the most powerful blue role until he gets his shot. End of story.

I'd like to remind you all, you are the ones arguing the harder postion (that I am intentionally playing sub optimally to win). It is not my job to convince you, tell me my motives, or accept the fact that your lynch of me is merely praying on town paranoia and a desire within each player to personally win the game.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:36 GMT
#1996
And the other the other thing about GSL is how he always added his scumbuddy mordanis in his scumreads. The difference there was mord wasnt in danger of being lynched so he never had to vote for him.

Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:39 GMT
#1997
On March 01 2014 00:31 Vivax wrote:
Gum I really don't want to kill you out of the blue and I just want to know if you're town or not.

My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier.


Isnt that key? You dont want to kill me out of the blue? But you do wanna kill me dont you XD


Also the post you mentioned was brought up long before your claim

Show nested quote +
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy



You start distancing yourself. You abandon your game long town read on Suki on the basis that you think I bussed my team mate right off the bat. This theory is dumb, it assumes I am utterly incompetent and the only reason I can imagine you abandoning Suki for it is if you know shes going to flip scum, and your trying to discard your relation with her as quickly as possible. What more the positioning of this post makes suki being scum imply that I'm scum as opposed to you bieng scum, which is exactly what I would do if I was worried about being brought down along with her. Also if I'm lynched , youve set it up so that suki looks town, because you scum read her purely based off your read of me.


February 28 2014 05:29.

Your claim

February 28 2014 06:05.

No but I can tell that you're either awful at reading me or scum. I'm a blue.



The reasoning was initially there a whole half an hour before your claim. honestly I switched onto Suki because I wasnt going to waste my vote on someone whose not getting lynched. That is because I am town, if I was scum, I would just stay on Jar Jar. Like, your arguing an inconsistency that in no way proves I'm scum, because theres no reason for me to switch off of Jar Jar if thats the case.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:45 GMT
#1998
On March 01 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And the other the other thing about GSL is how he always added his scumbuddy mordanis in his scumreads. The difference there was mord wasnt in danger of being lynched so he never had to vote for him.

Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax.


Of course I'd vote Vivax, because hes scum XD his claim is disgustingly convenient. You know what, I've called everything else in this game so far so why not, calling it now, Vivax's shot will not go off, because there is no shot. What am I willing to bet? My life of course. Take careful aim "Vig".
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 28 2014 15:47 GMT
#1999
There's one person in particular that hasn't been brought up as possible scum...EVER, and that caught my eye.

This person comments on multiple people being scummy for some reason, two of them being called out. The person calls some of suki's points legitimate at some point, but at no point calls anything scummy about suki, only asks her a question about the town atmosphere thing.

The person calls out Mocsta and TheChyz as scummy, but when the person has to decide it justifies its vote on suki by arguing that most townreads are on her, and doesn't argue for Mocsta being more scummy over suki despite calling him scummy earlier, but never saying much about suki.

And the person iiiis?
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 15:47 GMT
#2000
On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact.

Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town.

In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it.


No, I coulda stayed on you 0_o Geript did just that with Toad. I easily could have done the same, I just would have made sure to leave the lynch before hand.
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