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On February 01 2014 18:25 kushm4sta wrote: oh jesus no it's another smurf. worst thing ever was when bh smurf rolled scum and he pretended to be a newb. I'm not a smurf. I've played mafia before but never here. I entered the newbie game, but was told by a forum member to enter this game too as it might start sooner. | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:50 StorrZerg wrote: /in dammit  | ||
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I'm just teasing! It'll all be great as long as we're the same alignment. | ||
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fixed your sig. Can this game start already? -TheThrower | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:27 sidesprang wrote: idk, im not convinced yet. You got a case? no. do i need one? On February 13 2014 03:27 roundabound wrote: Has anyone played with Mordanis before? IAmRobik are you smurf? ~rayn No. This is my first game on TL, but I have played forum mafia on a different site and play a live version daily, and Phil told me to jump right into this game instead of playing the newbie game (which I'll play anyway). | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:29 roundabound wrote: Oh you are not. How much mafia you've played? ~rayn live games on zoom almost every day since October and probably around 500+ games of forum mafia both regular games and turbos. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:31 sidesprang wrote: Depends on how much you want me to lynch Mattchew. Well QuantumPope and Mattchew are the only two people I know, but I know Mattchew the best. I know spamming is frowned upon, but with so little to go off of on D1, I prefer just to get the ball rolling and just make stuff happen...so yeah ##vote mattchew | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. In that case, roundabound is my top town at this point. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote: hmmm This is a terrible first post and is grounds for lynching. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:07 Mattchew wrote: vivax is top town I only have one question. QuantumPope, are you a man? I was thinking along the same lines after his first post, but didn't want to say it because I'm a pussy and didn't want to clear someone incorrectly. Anyhow, thanks for joining. please keep posting so that I have something to read and respond too and so that I can figure out whether you're town or scum. So far so good though  On a different note, is there any benefit for us to discuss the type of game setup that this is, or how we figure it out. I'm fairly certain that the mafia will figure it out before us because they'll be able to quickly tell if it's A or D, or B or C. Probably more difficult for town to figure it out. Not sure how we go about this without revealing roles and whatnot. Feel free to discuss/ignore/etc. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:11 QuantumPope wrote: Greetings from Seoul, Korea and welcome to the GSL. I am QuantumPope and we're here doing a piggyback broadcast in this TL thread. Hi everybody. Just got into work and see this has started. My body is ready. NaDa thing can go wrong. You question my manhood? I will Trump your post. | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:35 VIVAX420 wrote: First, that's kush. Second, why is that top town? ~V is this a question specifically for chewy? | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:39 VIVAX420 wrote: For anyone agreeing with him it is. Let's hear reasons behind things people say shan't we? Mattchew seems to be pleased with quick conclusions without explanation, but maybe you have one. Kinda what chewy said with "no fucks given attitude". Just coming into the thread with ALL CAPS shows excitement. Having said that, I'm displeased that he quickly departed and did not continue to contribute after that. Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. Let's get some sort of conversation going so that we can start building town circles and finding scum! | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote: no fucks given attitude iamrobik and quantum probably town too Man, forum mafia is so awesome. No need to try to speak up over you and I can talk all I want without people calling me BM. Also, I am agreeing with your reads so far...if it was anyone but you, I'd be concerned. | ||
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On February 13 2014 05:58 roundabound wrote: If you complain about hydra's posting styles how is it possible you have already given one of them a townread based on their opening post? ~rayn I didn't realize it was a hydra at first...either way, that doesn't change the fact that the first post was very towny. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? 1) You can call it sheeped if you want. Like I said, I was a pussy about actually coming out and saying it because I don't know people's playing styles and didn't want to incorrectly clear someone on d1 cause I like being right with my reads. 2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes. 3) Another general read that I have from forum mafia is that people who haven't said anything and just come into the thread and just start dropping content bombs are generally scummy. It shows that you took the time to come and read and think about what you wanted to say instead of just coming in and saying something. I have no fear for speaking my mind cause I am town and have nothing to hide. So I just talk. Even a "hey, just got home, will do a quick read to catch up and then give my reads" is more towny. Again, I could be wrong, but that's the impression that I got from past forum mafia experience. FOS!!!!! | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:02 roundabound wrote: Follow up question, what does it matter if it's hydra or not? ~rayn It matters only in the sense that you get a feel for how someone posts. Two people using different grammar and punctuation and verbiage can get confusing in that it makes that person more difficult to read. I'm the type of person who will clear someone for using a word that I think makes the most sense for them to use in a spot as a towny. That's just my playstyle though. That's why hydras make things a bit more difficult for me. I know it shouldn't matter too much, but it is what it is. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:02 VIVAX420 wrote: Here's D1 of a game where we lynched scumthrawn D1. Lesson of that day : He lurks as scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=10 Don't you think he's veing very lurky, rayn? Man, just reading pgs 10-12 make me so happy with my read. Any games you can link me to where he's town? | ||
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Any chance you do anything productive whatsoever d1? | ||
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Nope...but can you really take my word for it? I mean, Mattchew can confirm, but if we're scum together (which, for the record, we're not), you wouldn't be able to trust him either. DUCY? | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote: Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. Even if scum clears me as town, that still one less person that I have to convince not to vote for me, which leads to a greater likelihood that I don't get mislynched as town and that's better for town. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... Did you read his 5 posts today? Specifically the three before I voted. He was around. He saw that I pinged him and he chose not to respond instead of take initiative and actually do something. he still hasn't done anything other than vote on vivax...which is actually not a bad vote for the reason that you gave in your second paragraph. Having said that, I think it's more town than mafia to actually go back and find a specific game as a reference to someone's play being similar to a mafia play as opposed to just saying "hey remember that game we palyed recently where thrawn also lurked and posted nonsense and we lynch him as maf" | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. I mean, I've never searched for a game thread to prove someone is maf/town, but when people have done it in the past, they've generally been town. Also, I might want to rescind my original comment of round being my top town. I said it because I thought that I remembered smiley faces and stuff being towny, but now that I think of it, it could be the exact opposite read. I don't remember anymore. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:49 thrawn2112 wrote: Everyone on this forum knows that I lurk and generally do nothing as mafia. Finding a game where I lurked as scum is as easy as clicking on the database thread and literally opening up any of my scum games. What vivax did is definitely not hard to do. ugh...i'm liking you more and more as you post...why couldn't you do that to begin with. Having said that, what you did at the beginning of the day is pretty much the definition of lurking which was why I was on your case to begin with. Please continue to provide this level of activity and stellar analysis as you've provided since you began giving actual content | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:52 roundabound wrote: I just have to do this: Grackalliance!!! <3<3<3<33<34 ~rayn Can someone please comment on whether rayn is the type of person who would do this out of spite as mafia to prove that he can do whatever the hell he damn well pleases, or whether he would be more likely to do this as town risking getting on someone's bad side? | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:00 roundabound wrote: I am doing it because you might want to rethink about your methods of finding mafia if they seriously are what you just described. It's even more ridiculous if you think someone is ever going to lynch anyone based on "he used a scummy word" or "he is / isn't posting smilies".. Seriously, 500 games of mafia? Is this really what you are saying right now? To answer your question, yes i could make that post as mafia. Yes i could make that post as town. No, there is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in that post. ~rayn That's fine that you think this, but with age comes experience...yes, I use voting analysis and other more "intellectual" methods for determining if someone is scum or town as well, but I think that being able to pick up on trends of what people general do and don't say (or do) as mafia/town is very helpful. If not to make a 100% case, then at least to give you some direction. I could be right about it or I could be wrong. I don't know. It was an observation I made 3 years ago, which by now I've forgotten. All I can do is be honest. It's day 1 in a game that has no n0. If nothing else, it has provided us something to talk about (how stupid you think I am for using such minute details to clear or condemn people). | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:18 roundabound wrote: Okay so IAmRobik given you were so hard on going after lurkers early on in the game how come you don't question Mattchew & QuantumPope now? One of them has unanswered questions and instead of answering them he jsut posted some crap and QP made a shitty couple of posts (yes, i totally disagree with them being "townie because no fucks given") and peaced out. There is also Grackaroni who hasn't said much anything of value. Why single out thrawn of those people and now that your (apparently?) pressure on him has been answered satisfactory why are you not following with your eagerness to read people and your own scumhunting methods you started the game with? Like you called out people lurking or scared to post 1h into the game, what about those people now? ~rayn 1) I'm not comfortable analyzing QuantumPope at this moment, but I will agree that he's town. 2) Mattchew's comment about no fucks given was about Vivex, not about QuantumPope, and I don't remember if Mattchew answered that or not, but if not, I answered it for him. Either way, I have Mattchew as town for now. We'll see if he participates more or not. Given my experience with him, I would say Mattchew would be/will be more active if he is town and would/will take a more passive route as maf. I haven't really noticed Grackaroni, but would be more than happy to go back and read, what I assume, are 1-2 posts. Either way, thrawn's substance was far less than anyone else's at that point. I can't call out everyone for not participating. I singled out thrawn because his early participation sucked a big fatty. He was in the thread but not participating...just posting fluff. Since then, I feel like he has provided a lot more content and I've since changed my opinion of him. I will be reading other people. I am being active in this thread, but I'm also at work, so I'm not able to do everything all at once. Patience young Padawan...I will give reads on everyone at some point. Also, I wasn't 100% clear as to how this game worked and have since figured out that days aren't a set length as I'm used to, so apparently there's no pressure to hurry up on anything. I was just eager to start playing and assumed that people would share that eagerness/enthusiasm. | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:41 roundabound wrote: 1) How can you say you have him as town if you are not comfortable analysing him atm? This is like giving a read that has no basis behind it. Do you think he is town or not and if you do why? If you don't why did you say so? 2) Same question. What would have Mattchew and QP posted as mafia in your opinion at the start of the game? Why? Mattchew very well knows how games work here and and especially his posts i found really fishy. Unless there is something behind them i don't understand. But especially as i aksed about them from him and he refused to answer and instead posted some other shit that has no value i am inclined to think he has no good answers. 3) How is this post: more scummy than this: ??? ~rayn 1) I understand you want an answer to this. I'm not gonna give it to you. 2) I have him as town because our reads align at the moment. Not just that, but he cleared Vivex for the exact reason that I would have cleared vivex if I wasn't too big of a bitch to actually post it. I was a bitch because I only post my thoughts when I'm truly sold on what I'm saying. When I 100% believe it to be true. This is not to say that I am unwilling to reconsider given new information or a change in style or attitude, but I like going off of original impressions a lot. So that's why I think Chew is town. With regards to your next round of questioning, I am not going to talk about QP for d1 unless I need to defend him. I just have a read that he's town and that's all I'm going to repeat over and over again. Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. He would not have cleared Vivex for what he cleared him for. And he probably wouldn't have cleared me, and probably has QP as town for the same reason I have QP as town. I don't know what your experience is with Mattchew or how he plays the games here, but my impression of how he would play as town is aligning with how he's playing right now. I don't know about his lack of response to you. I'll probably reread stuff when I get home today from work. My preferred method of play is to just stay on top of the game and respond to things as they happen. My rereads come in lulls or when I have an abundance of free time or night phases (which apparently this game doesn't have an abundance of). As for Grackaroni, I thought he had posted before then, but I could be wrong. What Thrawn posted stuck out to me, so that's what I focused on. I don't know why you think I need to take a hard stand on every player right away, especially those who have fluffed/been lurky. I have said in general that I think lurky/fluffy posters are scummier. I called out one of them. I have since reconsidered no that person think he's pretty town. I'm trying to solve the game. | ||
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Hey Conrad. I think you're the cop. That's why I am clearing you. They forced it out of me. Sorry bro. Next time. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:12 roundabound wrote: If QP is a cop that was the stupidest play i have ever seen. He could have aswell claimed a cop.. ~rayn All I said is that I think he's town. I didn't say I think he's cop. I'm saying, if I had a cop read on him, would you want me to out it just for your fucking satisfaction? I'll play my way and you play your way. If you think I'm scummy cause I have a certain read taht I don't wanna give out that's fine and you can vote on me. I'm town. I'm the most active person in this thread and I've been giving my opinions as openly and honestly as I can. If you don't like that then you can vote me off. You can call me scum all you want. You're wrong, but you can have your opinion and I can have mine. Saying that I've given no basis for ANY of my reads is nonsense. I've backed up everything I said (whether you agree with it or not is another story) on everyone but QP. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn Each one of his posts is fabricated and convoluted. You're absolutely out of your mind if you think he's got the best posts in this thread. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote: You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is. ~rayn I absolutely backed up my Mattchew read and answered every question that you asked me about it. Stop lying about that. I'll go find it and quote it to you since you're so damn ignorant that you're going to keep pushing on this. I explained why I didn't attack other people. And once you brought up Grackaroni, you know what I did?!?!? I went back and fucking read him and formed an opinion of him based off of his posts? You know why!?!?!? because that's what town do. They reread. They analyze. When something is brought to their attention, they'll go out of their way and do the work necessary to make sure they are giving reads to the best of their ability. You know what you've done all day? You've fucking sat there and accused me all fucking day and done shitall else. I started conversation. I accused someone. I reconsidered on them. You know why? Because THAT'S WHAT TOWN DOES. They gather information. They build cases. They change their minds when new information is presented. You wanna keep going on me -- that's fine. Like I said, we're probably two town fighting, but if you keep basing your case on me on blatant lies, then I'm going to go ahead and make this day ME vs YOU and YOU WILL LOSE (or I'll lose, get revealed as town and you can continue to poorly justify to yourself how scummy I was cause you couldn't figure out what's scummy if it smacked you in the face) | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:59 IAmRobik wrote: 1) I understand you want an answer to this. I'm not gonna give it to you. 2) I have him as town because our reads align at the moment. Not just that, but he cleared Vivex for the exact reason that I would have cleared vivex if I wasn't too big of a bitch to actually post it. I was a bitch because I only post my thoughts when I'm truly sold on what I'm saying. When I 100% believe it to be true. This is not to say that I am unwilling to reconsider given new information or a change in style or attitude, but I like going off of original impressions a lot. So that's why I think Chew is town. With regards to your next round of questioning, I am not going to talk about QP for d1 unless I need to defend him. I just have a read that he's town and that's all I'm going to repeat over and over again. Mattchew would have fluffed it up hardcore and not given any town reads in my opinion if he was scum. He would not have cleared Vivex for what he cleared him for. And he probably wouldn't have cleared me, and probably has QP as town for the same reason I have QP as town. I don't know what your experience is with Mattchew or how he plays the games here, but my impression of how he would play as town is aligning with how he's playing right now. I don't know about his lack of response to you. I'll probably reread stuff when I get home today from work. My preferred method of play is to just stay on top of the game and respond to things as they happen. My rereads come in lulls or when I have an abundance of free time or night phases (which apparently this game doesn't have an abundance of). As for Grackaroni, I thought he had posted before then, but I could be wrong. What Thrawn posted stuck out to me, so that's what I focused on. I don't know why you think I need to take a hard stand on every player right away, especially those who have fluffed/been lurky. I have said in general that I think lurky/fluffy posters are scummier. I called out one of them. I have since reconsidered no that person think he's pretty town. I'm trying to solve the game. In bold is me not giving my read on mattchew or responding to your questinoing on my opinions of him and how he's play. Did not justify my stance not one bit! | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote: You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is. ~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. "nothing you say makes no sense" "with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:33 roundabound wrote: The points he asks about are valid and certainly amongst the most interesting things in thread. Let's talk about Mattchew: This is what you say about him: Here's what Mattchew has done in his last couple of scumgames at his first posts: TL Mafia LVII; + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well. The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day. That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today. fakeclaimed. I Cant Believe its not Themed Mini Mafia: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote: he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town First he talks about gonzaw and in his ~4th post is calling him town. I also checked a couple of his towngames and he does not call anyone town (or scum for whatever reasons) early on. So he is perfectly capable of opening up a game like he did as mafia and your meta read is not accurate, because it does not really line up with any of his games, scum or town. If you want to argue about this bring some evidence from some other games and show people why your read on him is what it is. Anyone can call anyone town because it's the easiest thing for mafia to do, especially if the other person is town because you know they are town so you are not lying and not "making stuff up". You have absolutely no reasons to call Mattchew (or anyone) town at this point of the game unless you bring up proper evidence to back your read up. ~rayn My experience with Mattchew is playing online via webcam. There are hours upon hours of footage. I've explained several times and I'll do it once more. The read that he gave on Vivex is the same read that I had. I didn't say it. He said it first. The fact that he said it first is indicative of a town mindset because I know I'm town and had the same initial reaction. You don't have to agree with it, but that's what I gathered from it. You can say I'm wrong, you can say my reads sucks...but my reads are my reads. You can't make me change them by saying I have no basis for them. I've played HUNDREDS OF HOURS of mafia with mattchew. I think he SUCKS as mafia. I think he's one of the most garbage mafia players around. This is my day 1 read on him. If I think he's not stepping up to the plate, then I'll call him out on it. But as of right now I think he's town. I also find him to be super trolly when he's mafia and pretty tryhard when he's town. He tries to take control and dominate play. Although he hasn't really taken over yet, his first posts have been towny. I don't know whether he's working, watching kevin, trying to play cs:go @ 10FPS or what that it preventing him from posting, but for now, to me, Mattchew's town. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote: Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn What am I making up? You think I'm making up the concept of SHROOP? read your post. It is hella contrived. It looks like you started to say one thing and then changed your mind and started saying another thing and then went back and tried to edit it but didn't fix everything. Whatever. It's just an observation. I don't find them to be 100% accurate, but it's definitely not "fucking weak and made up" | ||
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For reference (post 2 by mets): http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/shroop-question-682171/ | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:51 roundabound wrote: I already made a case. Are you not reading at all? 1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them. 2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset. ~rayn It's laughable that you're still trying to claim that I haven't given my reads and that my actions don't make sense. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote: hmmm On February 13 2014 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote: heh I was pinging him out and that was his response to me. You can go look up what I said on your own if you want to. Those were irrational responses to what I was saying and I called him scummy and voted on him for that. Just because I didn't do the same thing with Grackoni for saying On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. doesn't change anything with regards to my read at that time on Thrawn. It doesn't invalidate my point at all. You calling me out for not pinging every single player that didn't contribute anything is nonsense. As you said, it's 1hr into the start of day 1. | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:53 Mattchew wrote: rayn seems genuine about his read on iamrob, hes probably wrong, but hes def trying and scumhunting the way im used to rayn scum hunting he can go on the town list too yeah, no shit. It's 90%+ chance that it's 2 town fighting, but if he wants to make up bs about my reads and my play then I'll sit here and argue with him all damn game. | ||
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As for your comment with regards to being critical of thought patterns and being mentally agile, those two things are not mutually exclusive. I think that a player who is able to post early and often in a non-convoluted way, whether I agree with the reads or not, is more likely to be town than mafia. As for coming into the game and insta-pinging someone, well I think that's kinda scummy. It might just be because my style of play is to try to build myself a big town circle and then lynch outside of it rather than pinpoint specific people who I think are guaranteed scum. I think it's easier for mafia to come into a game and try to get a mislynch than to come in and try to find some people that they think are towny. | ||
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I don't know. I do think that the argument between me and rayn was just two town fighting and everyone was silent for the most part because they didn't want to stop us from going at each others' throats. | ||
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On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what? Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game? Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal? ~rayn I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with. I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:23 roundabound wrote: Sounds fine, he's not answering me. Must be mafia! ~rayn I like this 2nd post by rayn. I know it’s a joke and jovial and upbeat, and ultimately someone will bash me for it, but tone wise it’s towny. On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. This seems to me like a preplanned opening post. Mordanis says that “the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished.” While it’s true that people may have voted others for no reason, no one had yelled at anyone at this point. It seems like he tried really hard to come up with what he thought would be a “towny” opening post – even to the point of discussing his own meta in “gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone.” On February 13 2014 03:39 IAmRobik wrote: In that case, roundabound is my top town at this point. Reading back, this is a fairly awkward post from me because it doesn’t explain where my thinking was at. As I later explained (and explained above as well), I was going off of the idea that roundabound’s tone was very jovial and happy and the use of smiley faces was something that I attributed to him being town. I later retract this read because I don’t remember if the tell is accurate or if it’s the opposite tell, but, having said that, I still feel good about roundabound. On February 13 2014 03:50 VIVAX420 wrote: WASSUP BITCHES VIVAX420!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Mattchew and I both thought Vivax was town for this post. The enthusiasm shines in the caps lock. Having said that, I remember the contribution died down after that post – I was expecting him to keep posting, but that didn’t happen to a level that I was satisfied with. On February 13 2014 04:18 sidesprang wrote: ATM we can't figure it out, even if we knew the amount of boxers, I think atleast. So I see no reason in starting that debate atm. Just wait untill we get some flips, and then it might be usefull. Just waste of time atm. I agree with whoever said that this is more likely scum than town. I won’t say that I was baiting a discussion of roles per say, but I do find that mafia are more likely to discuss “easy” topics such as game setup rather than give reads. On February 13 2014 05:48 VIVAX420 wrote: It doesn't help if you say which people you think are town. It helps mafia in finding their targets, and doesn't help us finding scum. I don't get which vote you mean. There's a votecount above you and another guy voting on top of that. Which one is the vote you find good? I don’t know what the bolded part is supposed to mean. Can you please elaborate? What is finding town a bad thing? Rayn, somewhere between the end of page 17 where Grack asks you to form an alliance and page 26 (current page) you agree to this grack-rayn alliance. I will continue reading and see what you say about him now, but do you still think he’s town and are you still willing to be in an “alliance” with him? This feels a lot like a “you’re town” read without actually saying it. This is kinda weird. I do see that vivax is interjecting himself a bit, but I don’t know how I feel about his actual contribution. As people have mentioned, he seems to be hinting at things without actually taking a hard stance on anything. I think that attitude is generally fairly scummy. On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote: Is lynch grack and not look back I commented on edited posts later, but this is a weird one from Mattchew. “Is” should be “Lets” but I don’t know if he was trying to say something originally and changed it or what happened. It’s difficult to mistake those two words. On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... So, I think it’s abundantly clear by that point that I was 100% sincere in my vote on Thrawn. I posted multiple times that I was unimpressed by his posts “hmmm” “don’t I’m town” and “heh”. I don’t know how one could even question why I was voting for Thrawn. Also, I’m not sure what this “meta case” discussion is about, as Vivax just provided a link to a scum game where Thrawn had played very similarly. Then, instead of discussing Thrawn, Mordanis switches his focus on Vivax, instead of talking about Thrawn, which seems like the more “obvious” thing to discuss: On February 13 2014 06:31 IAmRobik wrote: Did you read his 5 posts today? Specifically the three before I voted. He was around. He saw that I pinged him and he chose not to respond instead of take initiative and actually do something. he still hasn't done anything other than vote on vivax...which is actually not a bad vote for the reason that you gave in your second paragraph. Having said that, I think it's more town than mafia to actually go back and find a specific game as a reference to someone's play being similar to a mafia play as opposed to just saying "hey remember that game we palyed recently where thrawn also lurked and posted nonsense and we lynch him as maf" On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. Moving on: On February 13 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Grackaroni is your vote on me still serious? Instead of responding to Vivax, Grack avoids the question and just says hi to shiaopi. If someone asks me a question about a vote that I made, I would most certainly respond to it. I find this weird and generally scummy. On February 13 2014 07:40 ShiaoPi wrote: dunno man, your posts are kind of shitty. 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On February 14 2014 00:11 roundabound wrote: The alliance thing was a joke. At the time i agreed with him because he was basically saying people are making a big deal out of nothing and being tryhard and there was nothing much interesting going on. ~rayn I was mostly asking to get your opinion of him at this point. I didn't think that the "alliance" was serious. | ||
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Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town. | ||
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I agree with this, even if it potentially applies to me as well: On February 13 2014 07:51 roundabound wrote: No, too many words = looking like you are saying stuff when you actually aren't. ~rayn Just reading the beginning of page 20, my read on roundabound is being solidified so much. Dude is oozing town, even if we were being dicks to each other at some point yesterday. On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn rayn, if i'm not mistaken, it seems like you've changed your opinion on mordanis since this post. Is that accurate? Also, I’m pretty much skipping all of the posts that are back and forth between me and Rayn cause they’re a huge clusterfuck and a waste of time and space and shouldn’t have been in the game to begin with and I already have a good idea that he’s town so that’s why I’m not gonna be commenting on it in my analysis, if anyone is wondering. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Mordanis: Can you explain what you mean by the bolded part? Please point me to Thrawns “joke” post that I used to clear him. Thanks. On February 13 2014 11:32 roundabound wrote: This is the worst post in the game thus far. Facts (A) DNP considers IAR "try-hard" (B) DNP chooses to query Rayn about attacking DNP Issues (1) What is DNP read of IAR? <- try-hard is not indicative of any alignment (2) The question itself is so vague/open/non-specific that it goes no-where <- a feigned contribution (3) Where is the follow-up? If Rayn is considered a town read, why ask this useless question If Rayn is considered a scum read, why not pursue this further. <- again, feigned contribution In short, I can not comprehend the intent of this post. I can not comprehend how this post helps in any way, shape or form to ascertain the alignment of rayn and, I can not comprehend why even a bad townie would choose to interject at this point in the discussion with something so useless. Scum right here. ~moc Unfortunately, my connection theory has been already proven wrong.. sigh ##Vote: DNP This is a pretty spot on analysis and should be read and reread. | ||
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Town (in order of strength of conviction): IamRobik (obv), thrawn, rounabound, mattchew, QP Maf (in no particular order): JJD, DNP, Mordanis, grack, sidesprang "Fence" / hasn't posted: ShiaoPi, Gumshoe, Vivax | ||
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Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far. | ||
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On February 14 2014 01:10 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well he's clearly not afraid to give his opinion about people so I'd think he'd have some scumreads but he doesn't seem to have any apparently. Scum doesnt want to help lynch innocents so it's possible he doesnt want to give a scumread on anyone untill some townwagons form so he can make sure he doesn't have to be on one of em because he called that person scummy earlier. Couldn't you argue the opposite applies as well? What if wagons form on two people that he has town reads on and then he can't vote on them because he committed to being town on them. I dunno...I think your argument is a tad fallacious. Having said that, I like this post from you, so you might have moved into my "fence" territory: On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. would lynch scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that? | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote: I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout) And people got on me for talking about how confusing hydras can be. Also, this is partially the answer that I expected from Vivax, but I kinda thought that he would say "because he spoke up and participated and dropped knowledge and replied really townlike to Rob when he finally did provide content" | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:21 roundabound wrote: That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?". Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible. I read it less as a case against him, but more of an enlightening tool. I think it is very valid to conclude that thrawn is mafia if you formulate your opinion based off of a previous game where he played in a similar "lurky" fashion. Wouldn't that be similar to me basing my reads on mattchew off of the fact that he's provided a large town circle, which I think is more indicative of his town play than his mafia play - an opinion i formed on the foundation of previous games we've played together? | ||
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fluff: On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. fluff: On February 13 2014 03:40 Grackaroni wrote: Well probably not this player list, but I certainly do. garbage: garbage: On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: Soooo... What do you think of my Kushm4sta vote? I think it's pretty solid. fluff: On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: Aaaaah Ninjad. fluff: On February 13 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. fluff: correct but unsubstantiated: On February 13 2014 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: Rob is probably town. fluff: fluff: On February 14 2014 00:48 Grackaroni wrote: What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know. fluff: On February 14 2014 00:55 Grackaroni wrote: Which one is trump? fluff: On February 14 2014 01:06 Grackaroni wrote: His earlier scum read kind of reminded me of this - lol unsubstantiated vote: On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote: Sheepin' it up. ##Vote: Sidesprang Missed one quote here...it was fluff. some content which "substantiated" his vote, but honestly didn't really do anything to change my mind on him at this point: On February 14 2014 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: Fairly frequently. Basically he showed some interest at the start of the game and then never followed it up when things started happening. He seems the most concerned to me about maintaining his own appearance out of the low content posters. (Which isn't actually saying much, but more so to me than ShiaoPi or Mattchew whose filters I read.) fluff: garbage: On February 14 2014 02:18 Grackaroni wrote: As in we are not both mafia or there must be one mafia between us? fluff: garbage: On February 14 2014 02:24 Grackaroni wrote: I agree. I bet my teammates would be attacking me in thread. I have a knack for pissing them off. Conclusion: Probably mafia. Doesn't give any reads. The majority of his posts are just posts to post. I prefer to lynch mafia, but on the offchance that he flips town, it's a pretty safe lynch anyway if this is the content he's going to bring to the thread. | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: Rob, U missed this post: He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point. yeah...idk...i was copy-pasting them into word cause I don't know if there's another way to do it. The conclusion we can draw from his posts are that he has nothing to offer to the game. The most likely scenario from my perspective is that he's mafia and is afraid of saying something that he shouldn't say, so decides to just post to make it look like he's active. | ||
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On February 14 2014 16:14 roundabound wrote: I figured if u knew mattchew intimately u might be a video mafia guy.either way u bought your replacement a cycle. I have no want to lynch u. Very reasonable approach I think especially compared to others. ##unvote ~moc Hey, so I've been keeping up and found nothing of note to comment on up until now because it seemed that there wasn't a whole bunch of new information provided nor had my reads changed all that much up until DnP started to post. I will say this: I have no clue what to make of DnP at this point. I think it is way easier to make a post, depart for a LONG time and then come in, reread and make the post that he made. The "strangest" part of what he wrong is: On February 14 2014 15:08 DoNotPanic! wrote: Townies: Roundaboud IamRobik Thrawn Vivax420 The first three should be self-explanatory and fairly non-controversial at this stage. Self-explanatory and non-controversial is an easy way to just throw reads out there without giving much substance...which again, he doesn't really do other than just saying that we are active and care about the thread. While I do think that being active and caring about the game is townie, he does not mention any of our posts or anything that even "sounds" townie to him besides our consistent posting. I would be very hesitant about giving his "replacement a cycle." I'll post more when I get to work. I just woke up and opened the thread and wanted to catch up and had to comment as this caught my eye. | ||
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On February 14 2014 09:27 roundabound wrote: Agreed An interesting observation with sidesprang was the need to repeatedly interject when he is discussed, but not contribute to anything further. Originally I thought the first interjection was nullish, as both town and scum have a need to cock-block points against them. Its the act of "active-lurking" that i do not appreciate as a town trait. Still waiting on DoNotPanic QP response to the reads on him was acceptable in my opinion. I would like to see his mindset on others items in the thread though. Even if scum was Mattchew+IAR; thats only 2 of 3. ~moc Moc, I disagree with this, but I do want to hear WAY more from QP. His contribution so far has been lackluster. | ||
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On February 15 2014 01:40 Grackaroni wrote: huh I don't think I've done nothing. I've done little. I honestly don't give a shit. If you wanna play the game, then play the game. If you wanna troll the internet, as your signature suggests, go to the millions of other websites and forums or wherever you wanna go and do it there. Everytime I see your posts, the enjoyment I get from playing mafia is ruined. Is this seriously how you play every game? | ||
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Based off of the quoted interaction and what I remember from JJD/Sidesprang, I believe there is a non-0 chance that they are mafia together. This is really easy to say to a mafia partner in thread: @JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me. It's not angry or anything. It's just blah. I'm town. When you were calling me scum earlier, I was genuinely upset. I was getting irate, and I believe that translated into my posts. Sidesprang is not showing that sort of emotion. I'm not saying that every player has to get angry or show emotion when playing, but I think it's only natural that the tone of your post would reflect your emotional state. | ||
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I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason. | ||
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On February 14 2014 10:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: DNP would be fine w/ me. ShiaoPi also. Still don't like sidespring who's kinda lurking but he's right that I attacked him a bunch in the last game and we were both town so I'm gonna back off a bit. I'd rather give people more of a chance to post though before we go ahead and lynch them. So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if: 1) he talked about game setup in that game 2) if he lurked cause filtering your posts those are the only two things you called him out for. In fact, of your 23ish posts, only 2-3 have been about him. | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:20 roundabound wrote: lol You're still a jerk for calling me out. | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:27 roundabound wrote: But yes, you are right, i am an annoying asshole and I know it. ~rayn Moc, stop signing your posts as rayn! | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:29 sidesprang wrote: Who is your second scum ? Are you in shutdown mode already and it's only d1? If/when you have time, I'd love for you to read the thread, pick out posts you fine interesting, whether scummy or towny and provide a list of people for both distinctions based off of posts/interactions/previous experience/etc. Thanks! | ||
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On February 13 2014 07:57 ShiaoPi wrote: he did not, I asked for his current opinion on matt and robik since he seems to be quite familiar with them out of the game, giving him an advantage in reading them. I played with mordanis 1 game I think? Like 2 years ago or something? And a newbie to boot, not really much to work with to be honest. I was warned against doing this, but w/e. IDC. The bolded leads me to believe that QP & ShiaoPi are not M/M The rest of ShiaoPi's posts are just really sardonic and all relate to my town read on QP: On February 13 2014 08:03 ShiaoPi wrote: Absolutely and utterly convincing me of QP there man.....not why not share your wisdom? On February 13 2014 08:09 ShiaoPi wrote: based on what the fuck is that now? I don't know what to make of all of it. It sounds scummy to me but I GUESS I could see this reaction from a townie to? Maybe? It just read to me a lot like role hunting...trying to bait out the exact thing in QP's post that made me think he was town. | ||
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On February 15 2014 04:35 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah and what was this lynch Grack thing about. Sounds like a total SHROOP to me. Already called him out for it...wanna provide some OC now? | ||
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On February 15 2014 04:38 IAmRobik wrote: Already called him out for it...wanna provide some OC now? Original Content | ||
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On February 15 2014 03:57 IAmRobik wrote: I think that Sidesprang, JJD, ShiaoPi, Mordanis and Grack should all pick 3 people (not including vivax, myself or roundabound) and do a filter/analysis of their posts and come back with some reads on those players. Can add the new DnP to the list too | ||
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I want vivax and roundabound to run town in my absence. Please make sure that if around, people respond to my previous post. Thanks and good luck! | ||
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Vivax and roundabound, The 4 of you failed me. gumshoe, A lot is going to be expected of you. Please make the best use of your posts. There are a lot of really towny people in my eyes and just a few scummy ones, so you're gonna have to prove yourself. | ||
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On February 16 2014 09:22 bumatlarge wrote: Can you tell me more about the 4 who have failed you? I left yesterday with the hopes that Vivax and roundabound (4 different people) would help me in accomplishing the goal of getting 5-6 players that I listed earlier to give reads on 3 people. I'm back and that never happened. I'm disappointed as I thought they might push for people to do that. | ||
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ShiaoPi (3): so I'm kinda nervous that bumatlarge and sidesprang are/were both voting on this. (not enough not to lynch him, but I'm bored, it's 11pm and hopefully someone comments so there is some more content). | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:11 VIVAX420 wrote: why is this obvious, slamdunk lynch falling apart? @rob what is your point? Meh...I'm still fine lynching him. I just want gumshoe to speak before I do. The only thing that really concerns me is that sidesprang voted for shiao, and i think sidesprang is pretty scummy and I don't think he's try to buy credibility by busing this early. | ||
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On February 16 2014 19:15 VIVAX420 wrote: gumshoe actually looks pretty town from that megapost. -extended reasoning tryring to understand mocsta's scumclaim. -his reads have good reasons behind them no no no no no no no disagree with every single letter and symbol that you made in that post, down to the 2 "-"s Instead of basing his reads on what has happened so far, he just uses "roundabound is scum" to create reads on every other player. WTF? That's not town. That's mafia jumping on something and building fake reads based off of incorrect information. | ||
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On February 18 2014 02:09 thrawn2112 wrote: robik where u at On February 18 2014 02:10 IAmRobik wrote: I'm here. I was afraid to post cause I saw it was night and the role wasn't revealed so I didn't know if it's ok to post yet or when it is ablasdfionasdfin I've never been able to post at night before. ![[image loading]](http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bat-signal.jpg) | ||
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On February 18 2014 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote: it was revelaed in ther voting thread Oh...well that sucks. Are we just talking about the weather for now or are we supposed to be contributing content...Cause I know the order of my next 2-3 lynches. | ||
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On February 18 2014 02:32 thrawn2112 wrote: shaiopi was obvious town? get lost nou | ||
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On February 18 2014 02:39 thrawn2112 wrote: sadly i think he is sreious, i have encountered this imdselt on ms before evertiny gis simple. people that vote for townies must be scum, amirite? whatever. i don't even care. We'll see what happens when d2 starts, scum | ||
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On February 18 2014 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote: It's a serious question. Please answer for real or I will vig you. There aren't 2 vigilantes in this game. | ||
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On February 18 2014 03:09 kushm4sta wrote: ROB YOU BIATH EXPLAIN THIS NOW WHY IS SHIAOPI OBV TOWN. WHY DIDN'T YOU SHARE THAT BEFORE WE FUCKING HAMMERED HIM Look at this over-exaggeration. This guy is mafia. Book it. | ||
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On February 16 2014 13:08 IAmRobik wrote: so I'm kinda nervous that bumatlarge and sidesprang are/were both voting on this. STOP THE LYNCH! STOP THE LYNCH! | ||
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On February 18 2014 23:10 VIVAX420 wrote: Oh s hit I think ran moc might be scum. Thrawn looks bad also. HOLY SHIT. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU POSTED THIS AND THEY STILL KILLED THRAWN. I WAS CERTAIN WE WERE GOING TO LYNCH HIM TODAY! | ||
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Sooooo Thrawn thought I was town with a vastly different approach to the game than him. Prolly confirms me as town. On February 13 2014 06:45 thrawn2112 wrote: The reason I didn't respond to your initial accusation was because I didn't take it seriously. I did not believe that a person could actually think a "hmm" post was scummy, so I thought you were either mafia doing a terrible job of faking suspicion, you were town and have a vastly different approach to the game than myself, or that you were town and your accusation was as much of a silly post as my "hmm" post was. Right now I am going with the 2nd option. Mordanis = scum Vivax = scum Mordanis more scum than vivax On February 13 2014 07:36 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm gonna sleep now as well as unvoting because I know how you guys like to rush to lynches... here's my thoughts Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting. Vivax420 could be scum, he should know better than to make the meta case that he did. Of the two I think Mordanis is more liekly to be mafia because of this post: The following is a gut read so it's hard to explain, but the above quote feels constructed and fake. He starts off the 2nd paragraph by saying "on a side note" and he never gives a definitive read on any of the people he talks about, and both of these things suggest that he's not invested in scumhunting. His attempt to pursue his suspicions by questioning robik here: is too.... reserved, bland, etc? I don't get the impression that he cares about what he's posting about. | ||
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On February 19 2014 02:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK this might be the scummiest post I've seen from Irob this game. "Lemme just point out how this is totally not the NK I would have chosen if I was scum" The only way I'm getting lynched this game is if Mafia outnumbers town -- and at that point, we would have already lost. | ||
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Likes Mattchew: On February 13 2014 20:49 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm not too concerned about Mattchew right now. People seem to have problems with his play based on his meta and other stuff that I'm not privy to so I haven't put much thought into those arguments. The other issue raised about matt was his comment on sidesprang's post, and I agree with the read matt gave on ss's post so I'm not worried about that either. Doesn't like sidesprang: On February 13 2014 21:13 thrawn2112 wrote: It doesn't have anything to do with the topic of conversation or the conclusion ss reached. The "nervous-mafia" bit applies to how he talks. Here it is for reference. All the things I'm about to list are trivial and probably not alignment indicative but when added together they create the vibe of "nervous-mafia" -atm's -awkward use of commas -"i think, at least" The post doesn't feel right for a reason that is hard to explain but I think can be pretty accurately described as an awkward scum post. JJD = scum On February 15 2014 03:08 thrawn2112 wrote: I can lynch JJD Adjusted reads: wouldn't lynch sidesprang, would lynch shiao (town), jjd, and mordanis On February 15 2014 22:36 thrawn2112 wrote: Someone asked me about sidesprang earlier? Nah I'm good on that, I dont wanna lynch him right now I could kill any of shiaopi/JJD/ and maybe mordanis | ||
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roundabound = town On February 16 2014 17:21 thrawn2112 wrote: stop voting roundabound thrawn = mafia My (IAmRobik) own conclusion from Thrawn's pg 3 filter: bum probably scum | ||
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I don't have questions for you yet. I just read your case on Mattchew. It's interesting, but he would not be my top lynch today. Sincerely, IAmRobik | ||
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On February 18 2014 03:43 thrawn2112 wrote: careful now robik, i fear you may succumb to the dark side give in not to the tempations set before you, for the path to lynching scum requires a pure mind alas. you have entered a most unholy realm, a realm known as such to all true men as tlmafia though we profess our skill and fervor for lynching mafia, such cries only originate from a vocal minority in this game, and in many recent others, the true face of tlmafia has shown itself, and it is darkness so once more I beg of thee, give in not to the temptations set before you! Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you." | ||
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On January 23 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: Possible Setups Base Setups - pick one at random: A) 1 Forum Hero, 1 Satirist, 1 Trilaner, 1 HopeTorture, 1 NesTea, 8 Progamers B) 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner, 1 BoxeR, 1 NesTea, 8 Progamers C) 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner, 1 BoxeR, 1 HopeTorture, 8 Progamers D) 1 Forum Hero, 1 Satirist, 1 Trilaner, 2 BoxeRs, 8 Progamers Modifications - pick one at random: 1) Remove one Progamer and add one BoxeR. 2) Use setup as-is. 3) Remove one BoxeR and add one Progamer if possible. Each setup is equally likely. Who gets what role will be RNGed. Everyone should read this. We are NOT going to know the exact setup. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:53 roundabound wrote: Unless he ofc knows mafia has no GF, which means he is mafia. ~rayn It's cause he saw my boxer claim and there is no setup that has boxer, cop and medic. Can you stop tunneling and get back to being a good towny. | ||
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On February 13 2014 04:11 QuantumPope wrote: Greetings from Seoul, Korea and welcome to the GSL. I am QuantumPope and we're here doing a piggyback broadcast in this TL thread. Hi everybody. Just got into work and see this has started. My body is ready. NaDa thing can go wrong. You question my manhood? The bolded part is the soft that I picked up on. I looked up NaDa and it came back on liquipedia: "Lee "NaDa" Yoon Yeol is a StarCraft progamer" This is why I was insistent that he was town and possibly a PR and was really annoyed that people were on my ass about revealing it. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:49 roundabound wrote: What's the point of double fake claiming if they don't even know who is going to be under attack on D2 and one of them is gonna get cc'd? ~rayn It's not a terrible play if they're able to out a town PR. I don't know why they would think that they'd be able to do it though, because it wouldn't make sense to claim as the town PR is still basically vanilla town at that point. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:51 sidesprang wrote: 1. It's sidesprang, not whatever shit you are typing. 2. There are townie reasons for claiming cop right before deadline. 3. I explained why I voted for rayn and why I unvoted. If you can't bother to read it then I don't give a shit about your case. you brought up nothing new in your case. 4. No comment on shitty consiracy. getting super defensive about the name that people are calling you isn't going to do anything for your case. I've been called by 7+ different names since the game started. get over it. | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote: So sidesprang and Grackaroni make a play that they both claim power roles as mafia on N1. What if someone like me or you counter claim them? Who do you think gets lynched? Or what if thrawn had flipped blue? Again, what's the point? ~rayn Well then they would have traded a vanilla mafia for a cop. Pretty decent trade. Either way. These convos are stupid and shouldn't be discussed. I am SURE that the cop knows what to do. | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:39 VIVAX420 wrote: @rob the seal doesn't confirm grack. i think he's town but not because of the seal. not giving reasons so dont ask Did you like my QP read now that his role has been revealed Good thing that pseudo confirms me as town, cause I would have never brought that shit up and he would have been my night kill.In before I get called out by 3 more people for trying to clear myself for stuff that i would/wouldn't have done So far, I've done with that QP. Chew did that with JJD. You've done that with Grack. WHO THE FUCK ARE WE ALLOWED TO LYNCH!??!!? | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: and also why you don't want to lynch him? I'll explain the read on why I think he's scum after I reread that filter. I forget already. As for why I don't want to kill him...because I find all 4 of you scummy and I think that 2...not more...not less....exactly 2 mafia lie in the 4 of you. | ||
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bum harps on roundabound's scum claim too long. He bases the entirety of his reads off of that assumption instead of coming up with legit reads. As thrawn points out, bum contradicts himself w/r/t roundabound's meta. And he pretty much has it set in his mind to lynch no one but roundabound because of policy. | ||
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On February 19 2014 11:17 roundabound wrote: Robik, let's talk. You don't want to lynch Mattchew, that's pretty clear. I have no fucking idea why, but if you don't want that, who do you want to lynch? You said this: Specifically who and why? I am not going to support Grack lynch, that's for sure. If we decide as a majority to lynch him today, that's fine...but like. It hasn't even been 24hrs and we are about to lynch someone that hasn't spoken. That's just badbadbad. I don't have the time right now to go into detail about those people, but I assure you that I will at some point either tonight or tomorrow. We spent 4 days trying to lynch someone on d1, but now that we have MORE INFORMATION, we are rushing to vote someone off before 24hrs pass. CMON. Just fucking unvote and let's analyze further and talk some more and figure out who the BEST VOTE is. | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:39 roundabound wrote: robik how many wanks are u planning to max out on b4 giving up on masttchew? ~moc I'm almost there actually. Analyzing D1 voting right now. Trying to find posts in this tread is difficult. Top 2 scum at the moment based off of voting patterns combined with my game reads are chew and sidesprang. Will get into this more in a bit. Taking notes in notepad. | ||
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I'm trying to read stuff from d1 to find how the shiaopi voting got started and read people's rationale behind it. In doing so, I'm also reading posts that people have made. I can look past the shitty attack on me because of 2p2. roundabound was so damn towny on d1. I wouldn't even think of lynching him until way later in the game. Like...even if he's mafia, he's giving us a lot of information to work with. But I REALLY REALLY don't think he's mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:55 VIVAX420 wrote: Before mocsta said 4/6 is not a quick lynch. He said if scum want to hammer, they can. Nothing has changed. Matt still mia. Yet now mocsta wants quick lynch. Lynching someone who is mia is completely ridiculous. No shit it's ridiculous. That's why I screamed for like 5 posts about how everyone should unvote cause it was too damn close. But there were 4 votes on there and there are only 3 mafia in the game. So AT LEAST one town is on that list of people who are trying to quick-lynch, so it's not out of this realm to think it's roundabound. I'd also say that I think that mafia would be scared shitless to hammer that vote, which may be why it stalled out at 4. I'll look into that later. For now, I want to focus on this shiaopi vote from yesterday. | ||
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On February 20 2014 00:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Holy shit rob might be scum. I have to look into that more later. Rob why those two guys? Me? SCum? HAH! On February 15 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote: So just to make sure I got this right, you're going to go read the previous game where you thought he was scummy, but he was in fact town to see if: 1) he talked about game setup in that game 2) if he lurked cause filtering your posts those are the only two things you called him out for. In fact, of your 23ish posts, only 2-3 have been about him. Draw your own conclusion if you want. The Titanic II game that roundabound linked showed a stark contrast in posting style of sidesprang in that game compared to this game. He was town in that game. If he turns out to be town, then I think there's a REALLY good chance that JJD is maf. I know I said 100%...but like, even the best mafia players can be wrong sometimes. I'll do a reread of sidesprang soon. | ||
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On February 20 2014 01:04 roundabound wrote: Yeah let's not vote for anyone, ever. That pressures everyone to contribute. I am so fucking done with this shit game. ~rayn voting on someone and pressuring someone can be done in different ways. if you're trying to pressure him to speak by voting on him...it's clearly not working. I don't know what's going on though. Like, people sign up for games and don't participate and don't try. It's super silly. Let's just have everyone who doesn't post 10+ times a day modkilled and go from there if the game isn't over. | ||
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bumatlarge is the first to vote and he's the first to admittedly say On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote: I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this. Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? HUGE HUGE HUGE townread on bumatlarge for this. Then vivax, mattchew, roundabound and sidesprang jumped on. thrawn voted then unvoted. then roundabound claimed mafia and there was a huge push against roundabound. After it was clear that he was kidding, there was a push back onto shiaopi. vivax vote didn't change off of shiao. mattchew and bumatlarge voted for shiao. then thrawn. Sidesprang was the 6th vote and then roundabound cappedi t. I really really don't like sidesprang. I will reread his filter...but he seems the scummiest based off of vote placement. Mattchew also doesn't look too good for it. I think those two could be scum and then the 3rd scum didn't vote -- which would be grack/jjd/gumshoe/mordanis. That's where I'm at right now. | ||
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There's just that something about him. But seriously, my REAL reason isn't going to convince you or anyone else. It just has to do with the string of posts he just made. Mafia would just make one long post, but grack banged out 3 posts, one right after the other, without really thinking and just doing. Yea, my techniques are not standard, but they're mine and that's what makes me special ![[image loading]](http://www.kidsdent.com/images/childrens-dentistry/special-needs-dentist.jpg) | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:26 VIVAX420 wrote: Ya rob you are right those reasons are terrible. Grack is not afraid to troll as scum. I know...BUT THEY WEREN'T TROLLY POSTS. That's the point. His posts were super genuine and honest and came in quick succession. Hence town | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:03 Grackaroni wrote: I've always been good with the Mattchew lynch. Sometimes I switch things up just to see what will happen. On February 20 2014 02:04 Grackaroni wrote: And first 3 posts because you probably slipped in the first 3 posts lol. On February 20 2014 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: And If I might add - I don't think you find it strange. I think you want to call me scum, but lack the courage to do so. | ||
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On February 20 2014 02:45 Grackaroni wrote: I feel like I've made it pretty simple for you. There is no circumstance that Rayn will be lynched as scum right now for having lacking cases by this thread. It is really anti-productive of you to focus your attention towards Rayn right now, and you should focus on either finding which of the players town is scum that town can actually lynch or posting some half-decent reasoning for Rayn being scum. what? | ||
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what does that have to do with anything? The read you got had nothing to do with the read that I got. It had nothing to do with interactions between he and another mafia. My read is based off of the voting and the pushing and the skepticism. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Honestly, we need to band together and decide among the people I listed earlier. Sidesprang is my top choice right now, only because the wagon on chew earlier today reads hella weird to me | ||
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On February 20 2014 04:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Im saying he does things as scum that look like he is spewing himself clear but he isn't. 2p2 style of scumhunting is especially bad against bum. what is this harping on 2p2 style. I have my own style that I use. I'm actually really bad at finding scum, but I am pretty good at figuring out who town is. I will, of course, reevaluate as needed, and if proven wrong at the end of the game, I will most certainly reevaluate the way I base my reads...but for now they are what they are. I don't expect everyone to understand or follow them as they're not all easy to explain, but they're not manufactured. it's what I genuinely believe and that's why I'm saying it. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:58 roundabound wrote: btw Mattchew promised to speak. Didn't deliver. ~rayn btw you/mocsta promised to not to speak. Didn't deliver. ~Robert (I'm just being a dick, but really...you guys need to stop making those posts...it's not helpful) | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:03 roundabound wrote: I don't understand what you are trying to say? We should not post? ~rayn No...I'm saying post...but post content. Don't post shit like "we're over this game. we're not posting anymore" | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:07 roundabound wrote: oh okay. I am just angry because of VIVAX has fabricated a scumread on us based on dumb reasoning not worth answering and i think they are town. I am also angry because noone cares shit about this game. So let's just lynch matt/ss/mord and get over with it? That's what i am suggesting. ~rayn I don't know why people sign up for games they don't want to play. If you don't enjoy playing mafia, don't play...no one is forcing you to sign up! but that's neither here nor there. Soooo, let's just go ahead and lynch ss/mord/matt and if ss flips town I'm gonna go relentelessly on JJD | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: Rob, U missed this post: He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point. As for what I found weird between the two...read pages 35 and 36 of the thread...I really don't have the energy to quote all of it (a multi-quote button needs to be implimented, as well as a "go to post" but after you filter something...searching for a while is super lame) | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: I addressed this: Do you have a bot that pings you every time "JJD" is written in the thread? | ||
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##unvote whoever the fuck i'm on right now ##vote mordanis EVERYONE FOLLOW SUIT. END THIS DAY IN THE NEXT 2 HOURS! | ||
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On February 22 2014 14:41 roundabound wrote: IAR and vivax confirmed scum now Tried way too hard to get credit for DAT flip Sigh Grack u disappoint son ~moc hahaha. mad cause i'm right on 2/3 of the people that didn't participate. so mad | ||
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If mafia is "proud" to win this game, they're fucking silly. If i were mafia, I'd just give up and call it a draw, cause this is a pitiful excuse of a mafia game. | ||
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Lynch me guys. I'm clearly mafia! | ||
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[2/22/14 9:48:12 AM] Matt K: so your town right? [2/22/14 10:33:16 AM] Robert: ya [2/22/14 10:33:17 AM] Robert: obv [2/22/14 10:33:21 AM] Robert: i'm starting [2/22/14 10:33:23 AM] Robert: to think [2/22/14 10:33:26 AM] Robert: that round is scum [2/22/14 10:33:32 AM] Robert: his case on me at the beginning of the game is bullshit [2/22/14 10:33:47 AM] Robert: and the whole 2p2 thing insta-flip on his read is nonsense | ||
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Also, you didn't "lie" but you made no sense. It doesn't matter. This game was super fun to play. Can't wait to get into another one. | ||
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On February 23 2014 05:13 gumshoe wrote: Awe it's over, I was having fun ) : I'm glad 1 person had fun at least! | ||
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On February 23 2014 13:57 gumshoe wrote: I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place. There's a difference between convincing people to not lynch someone who is _NOT_ in the game versus someone who I made a strong case for why they're town. | ||
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On February 23 2014 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: Your reads were very accurate, but I don't think the rest of us were quite on the same page. I liked how you played this game, but being convinced yourself isn't enough. I was sure you were town, and you were sure I was town, so we probably should have communicated more. game was over before it started...what's the point of communicating or playing. | ||
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On February 23 2014 14:40 gumshoe wrote: When I made my case on Matt he was still in the game, besides your werent the only one playing, Vivax thought bum was scum potentially, and grack/ jar jar would have voted bum to save themselves if it came to it, you have a quite a big ego for someone who gave up prematurely, can sorta see why the people you've played with in the past got tired of you / : i guess I'm not used to playing with 4 people that don't give a fuck about the game. I gave up prematurely?!?!? THERE WERE 4 TOWNS THAT WERE MODKILLED. I'm glad you got to enjoy the easiest game of your life as an obvious scum because you were handed the game. Wherever you got the idea that people don't enjoy playing with me..lol. As for my ego, yeah it's prolly higher than it should be...but that doesn't mean it's not well deserved. I'm glad you think you're good for make 5 total posts in a game and claiming RB cause it's the only way you could have saved yourself. | ||
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