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On January 21 2014 05:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude bum's case on me was trash - he pointed at two things and drew THREE null conclusions and voted for me. Tell me what's townie about that right this instant Artanis or YOU get my vote.
A trash case doesn't make someone scum VE. You should know that very well. His reads align with mine even if his reasoning isn't the same, his frustration felt genuine, he's boldly attacked two vets and seems to actually be trying to figure the game out.
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On January 21 2014 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Where is he trying to figure the game out?! HOW are you coming to that conclusion? He makes a terribad case on me, and that means he's trying to figure the game out? What game are you fucking reading Artanis?
He's making cases and backing them up, then replying to people that comment on it. I think that's a pretty good way of trying to figure the game out.
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On January 21 2014 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah but your reads are trash or you're scum Artanis.
Making bad cases is indicative of scum, not town. If you had made the case bum did i would vote for you and never ever switch my vote, it was that bad.
Do you remember Spaghetti's case on VE in LXIII? It was terrible, but it made him so town. Bad cases aren't indicative of scum per definition.
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On January 21 2014 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis look at it this way: bumatlarge should know better. I'm getting a lot of flak because of others' expectations of me, and that's fine I guess, but why are people not holding bumatlarge up to the same standard of play? Or higher? Bumatlarge is one of seven(?) players to have played a game on this site for the last SEVEN YEARS.
And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE.
Do the math guys.
A BAD CASE DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE SCUM.
Also, the time in which someone has played the game is not necessarily unrelated to their skill level.
On January 21 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol VE is town 
Explain how this couldn't have possibly come from a scum VE.
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##Unvote
Time to 180 on my read on Rayn.
On January 22 2014 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 02:29 suki wrote:
This game is stupid because there's been so much tunneling, despite there being so much activity. It's like everyone decided 'hey lets just be anti-town and focus on one person and not comment on anything else'. Zarepath (on VE), Balla (on Crossfire), Bumatlarge (VE and maybe rayn), Artanis (rayn), Barristan (Zarepath), Thrawn (kush). Crossfire and WileE are ridiculously quiet as well. That's over half the players in the game. Yes, exactly this. Me, you and maybe VE are the only one's who actually comment on more than just one or two things (i don't countt kush bvecause he doesn't really explain anything - but he is still probably town - LOOK THRAWN, I HAVE A CONCLUSION!). Artanis - Balla both weird. Another interesting thing, Balla calls out Crossfire for making a case on me,why not call out Artanis out for voting for me with basically no reasoning? As i said i see Artanis' posts as townie, i can get the logic. I don't like how he has done pretty much nothing at all. I still want to lynch zarepath. seriously everything he says contradicts what he did a post before.
When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from.
Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell.
##vote Zarepath
I'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible.
Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch.
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Balla, can you explain your scumread on me?
Also, how strong is your Crossfire read?
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On January 22 2014 04:44 Balla24 wrote:
Also I'm still having trouble understanding why you chose to try to get rayn to counterclaim your scum claim. What happens if he plays along?
Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall.
It's not about if he plays along. I was near certain he would. It's about how he would approach it that would allow me insight into the mindset with which he starts the game. It was also meant as kickstart for the game so we could go straight into scumhunting rather than talk about setup and policy and all that jazz.
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On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Crossfire has 3 posts of substance.
One is policy talk. Easy scum starter.
One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done.
His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion.
He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game.
Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view?
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On January 22 2014 04:53 suki wrote:<snip> Show nested quote +
Bum's right, if your case isn't getting traction why waste people's time. If bum really think's VE's scum he can always wait and try to get him lynched later.
I hate this logic. Also if town Bum really thought that VE wasn't worth pursuing he should have a better target no? Rather than just saying 'welp no ones listening to me I guess I'll just withdraw from the game'
Do you think this makes Bum more likely to be scum though? If you're a townie and you're certain of one player being scum it can be very demotivating when no one refuses to listen. In light of Bum's general attitude it feels more like he's genuinely frustrated to me.
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Thrawn, your case is partially built on Kush not being scum. Has your read on him changed?
On January 22 2014 05:03 suki wrote:
Right now bum looks really bad for pushing such a shitty case on VE, then asking VE questions and when those questions are not answered satisfyingly.... drops the case because nobody's listening to him. The town explanation is he's just frustrated townie not willing to waste any more time.. but if he is, who is more suspicious to him? Why drop your case on your top scum read who hasn't answered any of your questions, when you don't have anyone else who reads scummy to you?
Hmm. I'm going to have to reread Bum's filter with this in mind. The story of frustrated town might make too much sense to me because it's happened to me before. Perhaps I'll see what you see. Will be back in an hour to do so.
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On January 22 2014 05:03 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 04:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 22 2014 04:44 Balla24 wrote:
Also I'm still having trouble understanding why you chose to try to get rayn to counterclaim your scum claim. What happens if he plays along?
Rayn told me it was a joke and wrote it off so I didn't pay it any mind but it turns out you had some real motivation for it so I do want an explanation afterall. It's not about if he plays along. I was near certain he would. It's about how he would approach it that would allow me insight into the mindset with which he starts the game. It was also meant as kickstart for the game so we could go straight into scumhunting rather than talk about setup and policy and all that jazz. Sure that's reasonable. But why did you chose to call rayn scum based off of only that and barely mention other things that make him scum. Like you said: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No I'm not happy, because other than refusing to engage me in conversation you're now also attempting to destroy town atmosphere. I have found scum in you, and you are who I want to lynch. But you didn't say how he was destroying the town atmosphere...
Because I build cases based on what I find scummy without adding fluff. Check LXIII to see how I pointed that out with Mocsta.
He was destroying town atmosphere because he was being unnecessarily abrasive.
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On January 22 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A asked DarthPunk if mafia has fakeclaims before the game started. You can do it aswell if you don't believe in fakeclaims and not just fucking sit on your asses discussing it here.
Now, who is mafia? Who do we lynch?
thrwan, VE, Artanis, are you here?
I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town.
##unvote
##vote Kushm4sta
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On January 22 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis what do you think Crossfire is doing?
I don't have a strong read on Crossfire. Going in against you seems unlikely for a scum Crossfire to do unless you were both scum and I currently don't believe you to be. His backing off on you without mentioning it again is weird though. I find it hard to get a good read on him because he doesn't really explain how his reads evolve.
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Rayn, what do you think of Kush?
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Well I guess that answers that question 
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On January 22 2014 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Wouldn't it be funny if all the people who wanted to see a bluepost are scum.
Seems like a bad heuristic to go by.
Suki, what do you think of Kush?
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On January 22 2014 07:02 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 06:58 Crossfire99 wrote:
So interesting thought. If we believe all the named vt claims, we lynch kush. If not we lynch one of them because kush soft claimed a powerrole (or not a vt) Where did he do that? I read this quote as him doing this. I assumed scum got fake claims and therefore know the structure of at least named vts and regular vts, so this made him town in my eyes, but then he didn't act like I expected him too so I got confused. Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:On January 20 2014 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:I found it ironic that my "name" is Z-Boson, the dude who outed my scumteam by posting our scum QT in thread in one game. \so you are claiming named vt lol
So what is your current read on Kush?
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On January 22 2014 07:07 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 22 2014 07:02 Crossfire99 wrote:On January 22 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 06:58 Crossfire99 wrote:
So interesting thought. If we believe all the named vt claims, we lynch kush. If not we lynch one of them because kush soft claimed a powerrole (or not a vt) Where did he do that? I read this quote as him doing this. I assumed scum got fake claims and therefore know the structure of at least named vts and regular vts, so this made him town in my eyes, but then he didn't act like I expected him too so I got confused. On January 20 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote:On January 20 2014 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:I found it ironic that my "name" is Z-Boson, the dude who outed my scumteam by posting our scum QT in thread in one game. \so you are claiming named vt lol So what is your current read on Kush? Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:00 Crossfire99 wrote:On January 22 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 06:56 Crossfire99 wrote:On January 22 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 22 2014 06:49 Crossfire99 wrote:On January 22 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Crossfire99 you're wrong. You never explained how you draw the "mafia already knows information about the setup" conclusion because it's incorrect. Because they either have 2 goons or not. I figured it was obvious. They then can narrow things down based on that. 2 goons means 1 powerrole and 1-2 named VTs. If not, there's more spread for the options, but they still know things. Yes that's true and i missed it in the first place. Why did you not just say that in the first place? cause I thought is was obvious T_T and didn't realize it was an issue No i really looked it only from town role perspective, not from scum at all. What do you think about kush? gut feeling now is town, because of the accidental non vt claim and now I'm seeing the "wildness" and big swings in opinions on players I was seeing when he smurfed and was town in ## (which I though was really weird because i never played with him or observed a game with him in it).
But I thought your read changed because of I read this quote as him doing this. I assumed scum got fake claims and therefore know the structure of at least named vts and regular vts, so this made him town in my eyes, but then he didn't act like I expected him too so I got confused.
Presuming the he in this quote is Kush. Did I read your post wrong or why did you make that post if your read hasn't changed?
On January 22 2014 07:09 BarristanTheBold wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It's fairly simple: I get reads through conversation more so than anything else. So why haven't you been here making conversation to build your reads from?
But that's what I've been doing the last few pages or so.
On January 22 2014 07:13 kushm4sta wrote:
want me to say anything?
Why shouldn't we lynch you?
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The idea is that you prove why you're town. Your antagonistic tone implies you're not.
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On January 22 2014 07:22 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The idea is that you prove why you're town. Your antagonistic tone implies you're not. it usually doesn't. and yeah i went to sleep before i got a chance to do anything. hoenstly i ptretty much just saw that scumslip then i was liek ok found the lynch gg no more trying, kind of like how alaka stopped trying just because he is confirmed town, which you yourself pointed out i think. actually i have been doing a lot. im been going through filters and making reads. my filter is uqite long. how about you read it.?
I have gone through it. Though it's quite long it doesn't really say much. You rarely explain your reads and they usually match the town sentiment with the exception of Zarepath whom is probably town, suggesting you have more information than the rest of us which made you feel comfortable going in against him as it'd make you look good after a flip.
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