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On January 14 2014 11:18 kitaman27 wrote: /in | ||
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On January 26 2014 08:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Balla24 is probably town. I like the way he came into the thread fearless like a tiger pushing a clear agenda. Storrzerg and Admiral Thrawn are scummy the way they entered the thread. I would like you to qualify the bolded statement. WHAT about the way they entered the thread is scummy to you? | ||
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On January 26 2014 09:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Well Storr kinda just promised he would contribute a lot - kind of a pointless post to make. You don't announce "I'm about to make a post contribution" every time you post. Regarding Grand Admiral Thrawn, saying "X plz be town" just strikes me as something mafia more likely say than town, but I could be wrong on this maybe it's just a null-tell. His next post is just asking people to make alignment indicative posts though - similar to my gripe with Storr. Well I disagree - saying something like "I should be quite active and interested" is something we can hold him accountable to, which is something mafia tend to shy away from doing. | ||
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On January 26 2014 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote: What's your take on the Thrawn part then? I don't understand why you think "X plz be town" is a mafia-tell - I don't really think it's an anything tell. And asking people to make alignment indicative posts, while not necessarily useful, isn't scummy alone. Again, I disagree with your assessment that it's scummy. | ||
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I remember some of them. Probably not the one you're referring to, I'm really bad with that sort of thing. | ||
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On January 26 2014 10:20 bumatlarge wrote: I think the faster we establish candidates for mayor, the less likely we get scum interference. If you are going to run, do it now and quickly. In my experience, mafia usually talk about the mayor race, an if they don't get into it they just give up. I want to give everyone time to get in here, but I think we can cheat the odds if we conglomerate the race now. As of right now: Bum VE balla templar correct me if im wrong What do you mean "the less likely we get scum interference"? If scum are going to run, they're going to run and making a list of people running isn't going to stop anyone from doing anything is it? | ||
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Who do you think is scum Alakaslam, and why? | ||
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I also think that BH is scum for a specific, PM related reason that I'm not willing to share with the group, but I will say that he's not floating my boat in the thread either. | ||
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It's a good reason - just not one I'm at liberty to discuss. | ||
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I don't necessarily like him picking QP out of the crowd for lynch, but again, he may see something I don't and I might be biased because dude said I'm town...but not agreeing with someone's read says nothing about the person's alignment. I DO agree that QP's post looks a little constructed (the way it's separated out, formatted and everything could be construed as contrived), but that doesn't necessarily mean scum. He could just like his posts to be pretty. I used to, once upon a time. | ||
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On January 27 2014 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey VE, why do you want mayorship when you are horrible at it? I'm not horrible at it? I have a 100% scum lynch rate as town-aligned mayor. Sup Oats? | ||
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On January 27 2014 03:25 Oatsmaster wrote: oh right you were 3p. Thats a technicality. 3p = not scum aligned Vote for Oats! 3p = not town aligned too. I won't be voting for you friend. You never reread the thread, and only comment on things that are current. If you're town, I can't trust you to make the best lynch. But feel free to convince me you're town though! I always love getting a townread on people I otherwise love to lynch. | ||
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On January 27 2014 03:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im willing to concede my post early about VE was likely wrong given my personal interactions with him via past games which shouldn't be indicative of his ability at this point. I know that my own experiences (and lack of reading games i dont play in) dont neccesarily indicate his skill level. I personally would still prefer myself as mayor but the reasons i used to discredit him aren't fully accurate. Thanks BC. <3 | ||
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I don't care that he thinks QP is town right now. | ||
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On January 27 2014 03:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Do I have no votes because people don't think I'm town or just because they don't trust me as mayor? Thread sentiments says that you're scum for blue-hunting. I can't decide, myself. I want VE as mayor. | ||
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On January 27 2014 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Idk about them, but for me personally: I liked your post at first and was like "oh shit maybe QP is town, especially his latest post I liked a lot - this BH guy is my top town for pointing this out before anyone else" Then I thought "well wouldn't it be super pro if a mafia made the first post that caused everyone to realize QP is town to get town cred" Then I decided I wasn't actually sold on QP yet as town or mafia and that he still leaned scummy - and even if he's town it could be either scenario so I will null-read for now but you haven't really done anything besides that QP read. So what was the actual conclusion here. That BH never actually said anything? | ||
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On January 27 2014 04:05 Blazinghand wrote: don't bother with giving me towncred for defending QP. just realize that QP is an "easy" lynch, and not because he's scummy, but because his thought process, which seems internally consistent to me, is foreign to other players. He's the kind of guy who can get lynched D1, flip town, and we'll go into D2 basically going "well, that happened" because that's what happens to players like QP. just don't lynch him today, see how it goes. If he's still unreadable in a day, we have more lynches. I look at QP and I see a wagon that is suspiciously easy, if that makes sense. In what way is it suspiciously easy? BC said something and then KUSH agreed with him. What do you mean by "suspiciously easy" exactly? | ||
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On January 27 2014 04:24 Skanjab1s wrote: ##Vote: BC I don't yet. :D | ||
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##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can do this instead for now. I said I'd trust bum, and I still may if he comes in and lays the smack down on some scums, but I think BC is gonna try and find scums this game and I know he can probably do it. | ||
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On January 27 2014 05:20 Alakaslam wrote: ^^ this not exactly. I should elaborate. I don't mind his being lynched but I am not particularly for it either, he is a null read. I most certainly want a vet mayor though. Can you elaborate on why plz? | ||
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It's not just about getting to decide the D1 lynch, it's about making the right choice for town. Based on PMs and what I've seen from BC in the thread so far, I think he's got town's best interest at heart and he'll lynch wisely. I reserve the right to change my vote if he starts seeming scummy, but I think he's the best choice for mayor right now. It has nothing to do with vet bias. I concede that my personal experience playing with him factors in, but that's meta, not vet bias. | ||
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On January 27 2014 05:56 bumatlarge wrote: People seem to be playing like there is a zodiac list. If you are going to throw the word vet around, you should probably look into that. I like what BC has been reading from QP, but GGtemplar has been a lot worse. I can't think of a reason to ask people their role. I can understand why people say balla is town, but he looks awful in my PM land. And can anyone explain mocsta faking to be other people in IRC? Why would you ever do that. That's by far the scummiest thing someone has done this game. I would lynch him. People should vote. As long as BC remains active, I can read him. People don't realize that recognizable names usually have a tough time playing the long term as mafia. The scrutiny is heavy. I'm ok with him as mayor. I'm still here though :D To clarify, I think the allegation against GGTemp is that he's asking people IF THEY ARE a role, not which role they have. | ||
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On January 27 2014 09:50 StorrZerg wrote: wrong, i like his play if you take myself out of his tunneling. Overall i still expect more from a mayor candidate in regards to who they are lynching. in the last game i played with you VE you ran and won, and lynched a bad lynch (i know you happened to be 3p, and you had your own objective) but my point stands, i want accountability, and i want something i can feel comfortable with. atm, ggtemplar feels the best. though it will be harder to keep pushing him if he continues to tunnel i admit I'm only judging by the several previous posts complaining about his play. If there's a misunderstanding, that is why. | ||
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On January 27 2014 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote: so storrzerg pmed me and said a lotta interesting stuff. Mainly that he thinks BC is not 'worthy' to be mayor and ggtemp is. And that BC is scum for choosing generic inactive scum candidates. Care to comment? He's been saying the same stuff to me in PMs. He's got strong opinions. Or he's pushing agendas. I haven't decided which yet. | ||
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On January 27 2014 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: OR BECAUSE BOTH YOU AND BC ARE SCUM!!?!?!?! Why would I run in the first place if we're both scum? If I'm not gonna run why wouldn't I just let BC run? Stop being silly Oats. | ||
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Or :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I don't have any strong reaction to the case against me. | ||
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On January 27 2014 14:14 QuantumPope wrote: I came in with bleh contributions that I backed up to the best of my ability. My vanishing act, which I do not agree with, was due to previous commitments but I try to remain as active as possible. I asked you to inquire about my scum reads yet I have yet to see you ask about them. Also you sounded like you ended your pressure here: This sounded like the end of a conversation to me. As for your lynches I don't understand how you're not looking towards Willie or tehpoofter in place of any of the three names you provided because they have given near nothing to this thread. At least in my situation I am trying to actively be apart of the game whether you like my reads or not. Any new thoughts? | ||
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On January 27 2014 15:24 Blazinghand wrote: i'm just making a point that VE is scum and mocsta is town is the only explanation that makes sense I don't even know how you begin to qualify this statement. You're just saying things. It doesn't matter what makes sense to you because I'm town, and it should be easily apparent that I'm town. | ||
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On January 27 2014 15:56 Skanjab1s wrote: We played minecraft with you. I thought you were one of uuuuus. ;__; You broke my heart, dbz, you broke my heart. You're all flunkies from another website. Our love for the game is what brings us together. THE GAME. | ||
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On January 27 2014 15:59 Skanjab1s wrote: I meant to say "untrusting", I wasn't calling anyone untrustworthy, I just used the wrong word. Are you just trying to hurt me, is that what this is No Twe3k. I heart you. Deeply. | ||
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AAAHHHHHH! or :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:18 Alakaslam wrote: BH what's going on U make best mayor why u have to tack ve Read Mocsta's posts. BH said anything about VE after Mocsta posted reasoning. | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:21 Mocsta wrote: Thanks for the <3 One day you will respect me. I respect you now. | ||
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Unless you're referring to PMs, in which case I stopped PMing BH after he claimed "X Player" claimed "Non-Vanilla Alignment" to me with blatant disregard to my alignment. | ||
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If he's been active with you in PMs that's fine, but he has NOT been active in the thread. I'm his biggest scumread and he has failed to explain to /anyone/ that I'm aware of why. Except Alak now I guess. And since you've been in PM contact with him, you too. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: VE I gave BC a chance to take a hard stance on BH. Post incoming. | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:51 Alakaslam wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT? ## Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam You were right, GGTeMpLaR! We need a friggin confirmed townie. If I'm not conftown to you you are closed minded. I am not much benefitted by protection but I am definitely town! I am getting so frustrated not knowing who is scum! I would lynch the player with the fewest posts, weighed against their contribution in those posts! Alak, post incoming. Don't worry dude, it's fine. | ||
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On January 26 2014 17:41 Blazinghand wrote: btw if people want to vote me for mayor that's a-ok by me but ideally i think i'm just gonna figure out someone who's town and better at looking/being useful than I am and vote for them. things I would do as mayor: A) threaten people with the hammer all the time, because I love abusing power (just ask marv!) B) use my D1 lynch choice to slap someone in the face with my e-peen. that someone is going to be whoever is posting the least content. Normally this would be me, but since i'm not gonna lynch myself, it's going to be someone else. Right now it's skanjab. note that content =/= number of words. who I lynch will be determined entirely by me for reasons that may seem arbitrary. note, however, that they are not arbitrary simply because I do not share them with you peos. C) anyone who wants to PM me can. D) i can't take back the words i never said For anyone who is voting for BH, this is the platform upon which he is running. 1) Make a joke about his extra vote as mayor at his own expense. 2) Smack VE in the face with his e-peen, because according to him, VE has the LEAST amount of content in the thread. Note that content =/= number of words. His reasoning is arbitrary, but it's not arbitrary. 3) States a rule to the game 4) Random and inapplicable platitude Here is why I think BH is scum His first act in the game was to tell me that Alakaslam claimed a non-vanilla power role to me. It was in response to me misinterpreting a post from GGTemplar, and I thought that a subject-change timing was odd. BH sent me the following PM: Original Message From Blazinghand: oh yeah. that's totes suspicious. so slam claimed (<veteran>) to me in pms just now, and i'm wondering if perhaps he fell for ggtemp's fishing earlier and ggtemp is trying to get him removed via lynch? the thing is, if that were the case slam would have said so... I think. The thing that immediately struck me was "Why is he telling me this with blatant disregard to my alignment"? I tried to consider it from a town perspective...he can't be sure of my alignment based on what's in the thread at this point, and my point against GGTemplar was relatively weak to begin with, so I'm not sure what makes him so sure that I'm town? You might be asking yourself: Self...but why wouldn't scum just keep that info to themselves and just shoot Alak in the night?" Well, the claimed player is Alakaslam. And the claiming player is Blazinghand. It's obviously not going to take much for BH to sway Alakaslam to his way of thinking in any given situation, and it removes Alakaslam from ever needing to be shot, rendering his power useless. Alakaslam isn't often a scum NK anyway, so it's pretty much pointless to keep that info to themselves if they hadn't planned on shooting him anyway. At any rate, so that's the PM stuff. BH was not concerned about my alignment because he knew I was town. It betrays his mindset - he felt safe claiming to me because as scum he already knows my alignment. Here's the stuff from the thread that I find suspicious. On January 27 2014 03:49 Blazinghand wrote: QuantumPope is probably not scum. He made a worthless fluffly list post, but he provided a little bit of follow-up, and if he is scum, this following reasoning for his post is probably the most chutzpah i've ever seen in a human being: This is consistent with him posting the post he posted earlier. If he's scum faking this mindset, I will stand corrected, but I don't really see a scum player getting pressure for a list post writing that long posts are bad and then attacking his attacker in this fashion. QP as scum could have easily changed course (especially this early in the day) in response to town pressure. this kind of stubbornness would be sub-optimal for scum. At the time this post on QP was completely unnecessary. QP hadn't even had a chance to come in and defend himself, The thread was waiting on BH to do something other than make phoney attempts at contributing by making parody mayoral campaigns. His first bit of content was hard defending a player FROM another player. HOW does that make sense? Like, doesn't it follow that when one person has a suspicion of another person and posts reasoning for it, the other person should respond to the accusations? If BH is town and looking for information as to others' alignments, why does he feel the need to interject here and argue with BC over this read? Here's his response: On January 27 2014 04:05 Blazinghand wrote: don't bother with giving me towncred for defending QP. just realize that QP is an "easy" lynch, and not because he's scummy, but because his thought process, which seems internally consistent to me, is foreign to other players. He's the kind of guy who can get lynched D1, flip town, and we'll go into D2 basically going "well, that happened" because that's what happens to players like QP. just don't lynch him today, see how it goes. If he's still unreadable in a day, we have more lynches. I look at QP and I see a wagon that is suspiciously easy, if that makes sense. Because he's an easy lynch. Why? How? BC has made one observation, and Kush has agreed with him, so suddenly he's an easy lynch? At this point I don't think QP has even answered the accusation made against him in the first place. It's all just out of place and unnecessary. BH doesn't even respond to the point MADE by BC he's just all "FULL STOP, THIS GUY IS TOWN." So what about who he thinks is scum then? At this point it's only grack. On January 27 2014 04:02 Blazinghand wrote: Hm, well I'd say right now I'm not a huge grack fan. he has been opting out of the general discourse of "who should we lynch" and "who should we elect to be mayor" with his farcical mayoral campaign-- it's obvious he's not going to win, and not putting any effort into trying to win. That being said, it's just trolly enough to dismiss as "trolling" without him showing up on people's radars. Barring some extreme lurker still lurking at the end of D1, I'd say Grack is my most solid lynch choice today. He also sent me a PM asking who we should shoot tonight, which I assume was trolling as well. Regardless: he's opting out. probably scum. Like, even his scumread is a troll. Look at the bolded statement. He thinks grack is scum because he's trolling running for mayor. Repeatedly discrediting Grackaroni's campaign by referring to is as trolly, and trolling, farcical. But that's not what I see when I read Grack's filter. Grack's campaign looks relatively legit - tired of vets pushing you around? Vote for the little guy kind of stuff. Balla ran with a similar theme. Emphasis on lynching a vet though, if he finds one suspicious. NOT afraid to do that. But again, this is BH's reasoning for voting for him for mayor. On January 26 2014 18:12 Blazinghand wrote: cause let's be real here there's only one reason to vote for me and one to vote against me 1. vote for me cause i'm freakin awesome and you want more bh in th egame. bh catches scum. bh is terrific. yay 1. you personally don't like bh but i gotta give all kinds of fake reasons and shit cause that's what people expect. you see, people won't just vote me cause i'm awesome though maybe they should, i have to play the role of someone that people would vote for. this means making bold claims about what to do with my vote, and who i will lynch today. this means making the right kinds of noises so that people have the feeling that they're doing the right thing when they vote for me. I hosted ET and at least skimmed every post in it, but i don't remember what happened other than that scum won. Now he's saying he wants to lynch me. He's given no reason to the thread. I'm sure he has a reason. I want to hear it before anyone else votes for BH. | ||
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Please note that GGTemplar is suspiciously NOT among his list of scummy individuals in the thread. I think he tailor made that scumread just for me because I had a point against GGTemplar that I was asking him about. I think he's doing similar things in PMs with other people, and they will realize it now. | ||
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On January 28 2014 04:24 Skanjab1s wrote: Don't vote rayn he's so much worse than BC for mayor you sillies Maybe explain this in a little detail? | ||
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On January 28 2014 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain both of your statements here. I know where this is going. Happy hunting rayn. | ||
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On January 28 2014 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's your problem with me VE? Is it that i do not agree with your read on BH? Why are you suddenly so angry when i replaced in? Is this real? I just wittily +1'd one of your posts just now, I know where that question you asked Skan was heading - BC hasn't done much in the thread to prove his towniness, and you've pretty consistently lynched scum D1 if able in recent games. Skan's observations were pretty much BS. | ||
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On January 28 2014 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you people even fucking care what other people do and say in PM's and why do they do it? I care. I care deeply. DEEPLY. | ||
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On January 28 2014 14:15 thrawn2112 wrote: u are mad that you aren't being lynched? or you have some suspiciouns that you aren't willing to explicitly state? I'm mad that there's talk of lynching me with literally no case being brought forth. BH went to the bank with is vote on himself intent on lynching me, and he has still put no case into the thread. If I were elected mayor I would have lynched BH. Whether that's right or wrong, my reasons are explicitly stated in the thread. | ||
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I don't know what he said to BC in PMs, but when he was defending GG to me he was having some of the same thoughts I was. I feel like he was defending QP mostly because he had a scumread on BC. That's the way it seemed to me anyway. | ||
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