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On January 18 2014 08:39 Cephiro wrote:
[...Ceph's case on mig...]
So finally got to read it.
I disagree with the very first part about the smiley. I think it's a small but legit thing. Yes it could be wrong but I don't see any problems with it.
The 2nd part is true. What Mig states there just doesn't make sense. Just because someone thinks you're mafia does not mean you have to think he is mafia in return for saying so.
The 3rd part about Mig being concentrated on sn0 I disagree with as well. Mig hasn't posted all that much so yeah it's maybe going to look like he's tunneling but I don't particularly mind what Ceph is pointing out here.
The 4th part is something I still agree with Mig about. I don't know if I'd call it confident but sn0 certainly has changed.
5th part is something that seems strange but is taken out of context by just bolding the latter part. It is Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? Same thing as with the stuff we had about that one phrase I had. It's ein Either X or Y phrase, it is therefore obvious that one of the parts sounds weird on itself. It puts emphasis on something to get a "see? that's just weird, has to be the other thing" response.
So all in all I only really agree with the 2nd part in Ceph's case being
The second point just isn't valid. Why would it not make sense from town perspective? I can very well believe someone to be town even if they have a scumread on me. The word "instead" as I read it in this sentence is meant in the following sense opinion.
reading this actually made me more doubtful about Mig, both ways. Checking out skanjab and Oats filter now.
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ein = a/an
Also I guess I should rephrase the part where I said It puts emphasis on something to get a "see? that's just weird, has to be the other thing" response. because that's not what he's trying to do with that phrase but no idea how to describe it.
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Actually I'm not too sure about rayn. I've looked through is filter recalling the "X is mafia, 100% lynch him" but didn't know who it was and recalling him saying that ska is 100% certain SK. So I haven't found those two yet but I'm looking through and and thought I might as well look for what his reasoning when he posts.
+ Show Spoiler [big post] +On January 18 2014 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Top scumread Oats:
kush has failed to say anything productive all game, posts useless lists, lies and should die. To quote WaveofShadow; Why is he allowed to continue in this game? Skanjabs made a terrible case on Sn0, the case was totally forced and it wasn't even about someone being scummy. Something pinged him and then he went to Sn0's filter and "looked for scummy stuff" like he said himself. That's not how townies make cases, so he is either scum or terrible at this game. Leaning on scum. Also right after the deadline he posts something that's very suspicious. This: Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 09:14 Skanjab1s wrote:
"Damn, I see green writing. Ohyeah, (1) grack was the last-minute hasty counter wagon to hopeless, (2) this makes it even moore likely that hopeless is scum. Fantastic" 1) This could have been said before the deadline if he really thought this, there is no reason to not give your thoughts unless you know Grack is town and just want to lynch a townie 2) See this? Stupid reasoning for Hopeless to be mafia. Again, if he thought this before the deadline why not say it? If he believed Grack is mafia then this is not even an argument because it contradicts itself. Toad & Hopeless are useless and post bad arguments.
Oats is mafia Skanjabs is mafia kush is mafia If not all of them, maybe one of Toad/Hopeless - leaning on Toad.
That's really the only thing I've found on his reasoning. He has some points on Oats, he has some points on ska, kush is dead by now and he ends with "Toad and hopeless are useless, so mafia" which just isn't a reason to call someone mafia.
+ Show Spoiler [next post] +On January 18 2014 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad never mentions Oatsmaster in his filter but is interested in other "useless people" a lot. In fact most of his contributions in the game are towards kush, i find this to be really weird in general.
Toad does not mention Cephiro in his filter at all after Cephiro does something suspicious!!! I even call Cephiro out for not playing the game 24h into D1 (instead he was playing voice mafia). Apparently he also has nothing to say about Cephiro's case on Mig, which should be an interesting post for him because hw literally called one of me/Mig scum at some point.
Yes and I find it very weird that he's pointing out these two for two reason:
First one being: You don't make assosication reads before people flip. He should know better than this, yet he's already assuming Oats and Ceph flipped something that is alignment indicative (probably mafia?) and I'm ignoring them for that reason. Like I said, you don't do this stuff before people are flipped.
Secondly: They're completly randomly picked. There's more people I hadn't mentioned a single time at that time. Why just mention those 2?
+ Show Spoiler [WTF] +If i am the Vigilante: On January 18 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny things i wanna try this game:
If i am the Vigilante:
i will shoot Oats (or Skanjabs if he does not answer my questions)
If i am the Doctor:
i will doc thrawn.
If i am the Parity Cop:
i will check Toad.
All of the above are true.
The fuck? He says he'd shoot Oats or ska if he was a vig. Now we all know he isn't but if he'd shoot Oats or Ska why is he voting me? Or why didn't he put me as his vig shot instead of parity cop check, which takes some time to get results, which he as a VET should assume he's not going to get. This just doesn't make sense at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 18 2014 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats/Skanjabs/Toad anyone?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 19 2014 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
im pretty drunk thrawn.
Oats is so scum.
So is Toad.
Who is third?
[spoiler]On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it.
Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because:
1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn
2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn
So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. [/spoiler]
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything.
Wouldn't be suprised if it's rayn/ska or rayn/Oats to be honest.
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I don't know if it was somehow bad phrasing but the post above mostly focused on rayn and not so much about you except for the very last phrase. Consider it foreshadowing if you want. I'm having a problem with rayn here, not with you.
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also you didn't even read it in 2 minutes...
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so what do you make of rayn harping on about how you and ska need to be shot while voting me?
Or not explaining why he wants me lynched at all despite being his main lynch candidate despite wanting to kill you and ska with deadly bullets.
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On January 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In chronological order:
I say i think Oats is mafia and my top scumread, i also say i think Toad is mafia.
Toad makes a series of terrible posts.
I vote for Toad because of those terrible posts in addition to him not wanting to find mafia on D1.
Toad wonders why i am voting for him because i should be voting for Oats.
rofl
no that doesn't make sense.
1) may be true and is in fact the only thing recorded in your filter
2) was never pointed at somewhere
3) that should have happened before #1 because your #2 is at n1
4) yes.
I might sound like a broken record here but there's still no reasoning for anything here. You're still just saying "because of terrible posts" and nothing else. At this point I don't even mind you equating terrible posts with scummy posts, that's just bad but it's at least something instead of just not doing anything.
Anyways you got 2 hours to post some, I'm on the train as of now
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Also before I'm off: It's not just about Oats <---> Toad in there.
It's as much about Ska and how he starts out as one of your mainreads who is a much stronger read than I am, at some point I start being a much stronger read up to the point that you don't even consider Ska a mafiaread anymore and today you're voting me despite saying Ska is probably the better lynch which should mean you think he's more scummy.
Not a single of those changes of heart are explained whatsoever, nor does it make sense that if I'm your stronges mafiaread atm, like you just stated, that you're telling people to vote ska despite having your vote on me atm, But like I said I'm really afk now
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On January 20 2014 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:- Was not interested in finding mafia on D1.
complete bullshit, you might disagree with my read on sn0 but that doesn't mean I didn't scumhunt
- Drops Sn0 read for no reason on D1, says Sn0 is still his top scum suspect on N1, never follows it up, now apparently he is not mafia any more??
This is a lie, I have stated multiple times throughout D1, actually until the very end of d1 that I still think / thought sn0 is mafia. Hasn't ever changed. I've got other people I consider more scummy but no, it hasn't ever dropped. There was someone else who asked this exact thing, no idea who and no idea why people have the misconception that I ever dropped my read on sn0
- Defends himself on N1 when he should be telling people who he thinks is mafia - there is no reason he pre-emptively defends himself to thrawn/me/kush
you called the lynch on me at n1. If you do that I'll defend myself at n1 and not just wait for d2...
- His thought process on "why is rayn not voting for Oats" is invalid as i pointed out, if i say "X is my top scumread" on N1 -> Y claims scum -> there is no reason to ask "why are you voting Y over X", that's fucking terrible and townies do ot think like that
how about pointing out where that happened? Because I don't see it If I claimed scum during n1, why are you talking about how we should be lynching ska instead on d2? That just doesn't make sense
- He is still not interessted in finding mafia, he does not make cases, he does not interact with people. He never asks anything from anyone, you can't possibly find mafia if you just point some stupid summaries of people's posts that reaches into no real conclusions
You even asked me about that, I told you I don't usually make cases no matter of alignment. So why are you bringing stuff in here that isn't alignment indicative? Also I'm pretty sure what I wrote about you is "interessted in finding mafia", again, just because you disagree doesn't make it not there
- He never comments on any cases made by other people - besides the Sn0 case that (and in this read he already failed horribly). Now he did comment on Mig case, conclusions "case is bad but Mig might be maybe scum". roflskates, that's so terrible. For example, there are things pointed out against Oats, Skanjabs, Vayne and Mig. Toad does not care about anything other people say, is not interested in cooperating and is not interested in doing anything to help finding mafia. Just look at the post on me, omfg.. that's so bad. It can't possibly come from a townie. If people really want i can tear that post apart because it's so bad, but i'd rather not waste my time on something obvious.
again, just calling me bad doesn't make me mafia, neither if it's correct nor if it's incorrect but you do know that as I've already pointed that out 10 times by now and you keep on doing that with everyone who disagrees with you no matter what. I've pointed it out early on when you said something about me, about mig, about hopeless and it always was the same bullshit and you just keep on going...
answers in red. Does town-rayn lie a lot?
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On January 20 2014 02:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either. It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course.
I had rayn as town before rechecking his filter. I'd rather lynch him than you atm and no problem putting my vote where my mouth is as he response is a completly made up post of bullshit that doesn't adress anything I've asked him to do. Still a broken record I know but he still hasn't given any explanation on why my supposedly bad posts make me mafia. He keeps on calling people bad and awful and that's all the is to it.
##vote rayn
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On January 20 2014 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 02:06 Skanjab1s wrote:On January 20 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either. It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course. The problem with Toad's statement is that on D2 i have never said you or Oats is my top lynch target. He is twisting information to try to make me look bad. If someone can find a post on D2 where i say you or Oats is scummier than Toad then he can lynch me no probs. But the fact is he can't bak up his argument because it's not true, and he is mafia because he is making bullshit arguments that are not true. 
On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it.
Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because:
1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn
2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn
So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless.
Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on d1?
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On January 20 2014 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 20 2014 02:06 Skanjab1s wrote:On January 20 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either. It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course. The problem with Toad's statement is that on D2 i have never said you or Oats is my top lynch target. He is twisting information to try to make me look bad. If someone can find a post on D2 where i say you or Oats is scummier than Toad then he can lynch me no probs. But the fact is he can't bak up his argument because it's not true, and he is mafia because he is making bullshit arguments that are not true. Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it.
Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because:
1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn
2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn
So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on d1?
my bad:
Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on n1?
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On January 20 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
So your piling onto toad as well because bad=scummy when talking about high skill players,yes?
unlike Oats, I do think I get what you're getting at here. Anyways, mind giving some thoughts on who you'd like to lynch?
The way I see it is we have this stand-off between mostly rayn who isn't willing to explain anything, calls anyone who disagrees with him a retard and wants people to sheep him. That does encourage other people doing the same, not explaining and just sheeping/voting without ever explaining why they think the way they think.
So how about we change that up a little, all hold hands, be happy and you start with giving your ideas on either who you'd like to lynch and/or this situation. Break it down so a 5 year old can understand it. Just like you'd do it in a newbie-mini game.
Anyone else who isn't rayn as well really, he's already clearly demonstrated that he's either to arrogant to do so, not willing to do so or can't do so. Considering how often I have tried to make him spill the beans I'd say it's the 3rd one but that's my conclusion.
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On January 20 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Speaking of lies: Show nested quote +On January 19 2014 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:On January 19 2014 09:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
i got roleblocked last night rayn thinks you're blue. Sad thing I can't take this information for granted. Would be hilarious to lynch him off of that. Where do i ever say i think Vayne is blue? Show nested quote +His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. Show me one post where i say on D2 that i think Ska/Oats are more scummy than you are?
Top one: I even said in there "Sad thing I can't take this information for granted.", you know, right after your bolded part.
bottom one:
On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it.
Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because:
1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn
2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn
So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless.
to put this into context.
1) You didn't even consider ska mafia in the posts before that, at least he dropped out of your mafia lists and only Oats and I were in there for the longest time, with you wondering who the third might be
2) you apparently found a mafiaclaim from me n1
3) d2 you're contemplating about lynching ska instead.
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On January 20 2014 04:21 Koshi wrote:
If rayn is scum I am going to be really sad. Oo
imho he isn't. It doesn't make any sense. It feels like town rayn to me and the 2 guys that are dead.
Toad, why did Kush and thrawn die?
I guess mafia shot thrawn because he looked decently townish and him flipping green doesn't give us that much information. If they shot me you'd know that the people talking about me on n1 were wrong and you'd move on, at the same time you'd have the question of why they didn't just shoot rayn or mig, which if one of them is mafia is bad for them.
From my point of view and I know I'm town thrawn is a really good hit for mafia because it keeps us in this clusterfuck were rayn thinks I'm mafia.
My guess on Kush idk, could be anything at this point and depends on if it was a mafia hit or an SK hit. SK shoots that to keep confusion instead and perhaps like hopeless said to frame me while being somewhat certain mafia's not going to hit that. To avoid doublestacking.
Mafiahit seems unlikely as that'd mean they had 2 shots and they could have just shot rayn (assuming he is town like everyone thought at that point) or some other high caliber target if the said person is a dangerous.
TL;dr:
So if you think it was 2 mafia hits the logical conclusion can be either:
1) Mafia wants you to keep talking about me
2) Mafia doesn't mind rayn alive (assuming he is town like you seem to) and Mig because nothing they said is correct and they're not posing a threat to mafia, thus not feeling the need to shoot them.
If you think it was mafia + SK the SK wants confusion for sure. The fact that mafia (probably) went for thrawn makes me believe the same's true for mafia. I don't think they'd be shooting thrawn if they want to dodge possible medic protection.
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On January 20 2014 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 04:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 19 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 19 2014 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
im pretty drunk thrawn.
Oats is so scum.
So is Toad.
Who is third? seems like an ok list. third maybe mig or skan? no idea really. i don't want to even think about hopeless anymore but my heart tells me he's town all i can say with any confidence is kush/rayn/sn0 = town I think this post is probably important, but dunno if scum expected me to see it or not. Could be setting them up or he could just be dead because this is mostly correct. Mafia kills people who are on the right track. That's how it goes. Noone "sets up people" because then the people who are right just lynch you because they already think you are mafia.
If that's the case, why didn't they just shoot you?
On January 20 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can SK frame you as they would not know if you are mafia or not?
Frame as in, set me up for lynch? You three were talking about my lynch after all.
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On January 20 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How the fuck can you even ask that as thrawn had same reads then i did?
So you think that thrawn and kush are both players that are better than you are. Good I'll remember that
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actually screw this, there's no point in talking with this idiot.
Yes I'm the cop,
yes I checked hopeless n1,
yes I breadcrumbed it,
yes vayne ruined the breadcrumb,
yes that's threa reason I said rayn thinks vayne is blue because I strongly suspect him to have found something that looks a lot like a DT softclaim
yes that's the reason I kept talking about why vayne asked about the miller and wanted to hear his reasoning for that,
yes that's the reason I didn't give too much of a crap to post decentish because I don't want to get shot by mafia nor roleblocked.
See you in 28hours, I'm done with this bullshit
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oh remembered there was something I wanted to look up. Found it:
On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process
option a) kush flips scum
option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego
option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd)
thats a win-win(-) to me.
Since kush already flipped town, b) should already be the case. I'd be willing to execute b2) or vote myself, nothing else. Up to whoever gets in here first and tells me what to do with my vote. Yeah sorry but rayn's been a dick all game long so I just felt like pointing this out before I, the other 100% certain mafia will flip town as well.
Back to CivV
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On January 20 2014 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
##vote: toadesstern
I'll take that as vote myself.
##unvote
##vote Toadesstern
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EPT
