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On May 20 2014 02:43 geript wrote: Perhaps you can get a cuddle per Platinum ABBA album.How many cuddles will I get from my snooglewoogle this game? Also will you hard carry me this game? As far as hard carrying...lol. If I hard carry you, that's gonna break the back of whoever I ride to victory. | ||
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BH, on an actual serious note, if you will, what do you believe is the value of an RNG vote in GENERAL? Purely to have an x% chance of hitting mafia? WoS possible mafia for posting THIS for Lazy Town ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1422211/lazy-town-bing-bang-bitch-o.gif) instead of this | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:42 marvellosity wrote: There's a string I see and want to tug at, even if the person holding the string likely just has a handful of spaghetti and nothing will happen.austin, it's pretty weird that you're trying to encourage more useless RNG discussion when the answer you're going to get is guaranteed to be useless. That earns you an askew glance. | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote: Hapa actually voting someone for a reason is good. I think that when the thread starts off super posty and trolly, someone +1ing things isn't necessarily scummy? Like, if you want to insert yourself into the discussion, you find people who write the word heart or just dick around, you can insert yourself by doing NOTHING, so I think inserting via +1ing isn't all that bad here.Praise be to ABBA indeed. I'm with Marv ignore the fuck out of BH. What do you feel about the stuff Hapa/Bluedy have posted? So...town points hapa, no points Valenius. BlueyD good by me. Each post about different people, reading thread, like. | ||
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You're going to pick TWO to answer. Then you answer those two questions and get to ask me TWO questions. Yesssssssssssssssssssssss. (1) What's the BEST post hapa has made and the WORST post? (2) Is there anyone in this game that you've played like...a chunk of games with? Who do you think you know BEST? (3) What are you thoughts on Meapak? Geript, I know it doesn't need saying, but don't shoot marv. No blessings. | ||
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On May 21 2014 11:56 Yell0w wrote: Do you think that multiple scum factions makes cephiro's post thought here invalid?The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:02 geript wrote: I mildly think he's town because he started out arguing with me about something dumb. Also he was somewhat posty, and the "hapa come save me" thing tingles a little on the town side.Why do you think he's super town Snooglewoogle? You having no blessings has less to do with thinking he's town or supertown, and more to do with shooting marv like... 1/4way through D1 being a TERRIBLE idea all around, and if you're a fake vigi you should be talking about fake vigi-ing someone else at some other time I think. If you're a real vigi then you aren't serious about shooting marv. ABBA has faith in those who have faith in ABBA. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:05 Steveling wrote: Only for swedes.Is there nudity involved further down your plan? xD My question is this: What do you think about BH? I think BH is dicking around and that's not alignment-indicative for him. I do wish that he'd answer my question, about what he thinks RNG is good for, even if his hand is full of spaghetti. In terms of non-RNG stuff in his filter, I actually kind of like his joke-y response to MZ about games and fun. Even though that's half-RNG-y, the spirit behind it, where he's sorta joking and having fun, is a + for me. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:30 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't think that yellow is oats. I also just like interacting with oats and think I can read him alright.@bunnies READ YELLOW is that how he plays as town? anyone else that saw that newbie game he was just in. Was a he someone who kinda threw out nudges of someone being mafia/scummy? He felt more laid back to me but I didn't read the whole thread. It seems super scummy to me. Austin: You had the ABBA like read on Oats last game I'm getting a tingly sensation about Yellow can you comment on that? As far as yellow, I kinda of liked the initial response to BH. Wasn't "RNG dum", but was like..."okay, so you have this idea, but why not do another thing instead?" It's not the laziest response, it's not calling him scum, it's not really doing anything other than what seems like trying to figure something out. Bueno. Lighthearted all caps sarcasm = lynch post. HOWEVER HE DIDN'T WANT TO LYNCH OTHER PEOPLE WHO USED SARCASM. VERY CONTRADICTORY. MZ OR SOMEONE EVEN POSTED A THING WITH /S AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO LYNCH THEM. Anyway, that's fine. Actually read mtam's post. I gave people townpoints for this. He answered my question fine. Knew what ceph was saying, knows why he thinks it's invalid, it's a good putting pieces together thing about something in thread. Again, putting pieces together good. Overall, fine with yellow. It's not an oats-read, and I hate the way I read people as town in multifaction games, but I'm town on him for now. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:38 Holyflare wrote: Yes. I don't care about the 180 at all.austin dafuk man are you ignoring the fact that he 180's later and joins BH's rng wagon? I care that the initial post looks like he's thinking about something and trying to work through it. Unless you can point out a scummy reason to do a 180 on RNG at that time. Cuz I don't see why pulling a 180 there is GOOD for anything except making yourself look slightly funky. | ||
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What's the fourth word in the last post you made there, message 261? | ||
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On May 22 2014 04:42 kitaman27 wrote: It's not anything useful, it's not a role or a read or anything at all. I just want to make sure that's ACTUALLY foolishness, because this post weirded me out.Just enough to skim the recent posts. lol don't want to get you in trouble, but things like this have been deemed cheating in the past. On May 21 2014 16:19 mattisfoolish wrote: Casually chatty "I like the dude but can't read him and am happy whenever to lynch him" didn't read like Foolishness to me.For whoever asked about Xatalos, would not lynch. He's doing his research on marvellosity and that's what the town needs. Not saying I agree with his read totally but he's clearly putting effort and trying to validate his read. That's not what mafia do (especially on day 1). oh haha. I'll be straight, I have no idea how to read Alakaslam. And he's so bizarre (not sure if this is the right word) that I look at your arguments and I think, "wow that's pretty good...but does it actually mean something cause he's so bizarre!?!?". I like the guy but yeah can't read him, not opposed to his death at any stage. If I had to pick a person who you random yolo lynch if you have absolutely no idea I'd probably pick him. You got my approval. If you were the mayor this game, and the mayoral role was "Remove 3 people from the game at the end of D1, then leave the game and go eat hot pockets," and you were kinda mildly town-aligned because you like town, who would you banish from the game at this point and why? | ||
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On May 22 2014 04:38 geript wrote: Kita later.Austin what's your read of Sqrt, Hapa, Kita and BH. BH I want to answer my dang question about what he thinks the use of RNG is. If Isaac is the main character and we have no counter-claim, I'm currently down to think he's town based on that even though it's a bit disappointing/anticlimactic or whatever. We got four factions and town. We got pictures of 4 thingies/Djinn. The OP mentions "Djinn mixed between you." I don't know Golden Sun and only did a little preliminary flavor searching, but based on that wording and the Djinn stuff, the Djinn are the factions, and so Isaac would be town. As far as sqrt, nothing as of now. I can see the "no contradiction" thought pattern, where he thinks Geript is talking about the townread he/sqrt gave, and therefore is saying everyone who does what hapa does is town + yes geript, people who do what I/sqrt do are usually mafia, but not this time. I'd like for him to stop giving lists of reads, whether not spelled out or barely barely spelled out, and focus on like...1-2 people. "Here are a bunch of reads", even if explained, isn't as helpful/scumhunt-y/good-for-reading-him-off-of as posting about specific folks, maybe pushing mafia reads, defending people, rather than standing on the sideline and going HERE ARE MAH READS. There are some people-specific posts in his filter, but if you gotta write down one thing about sqrt, you write down "dude keeps posting lists" Hapa one sec, it'a kitatime! | ||
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On May 22 2014 05:00 Holyflare wrote: Some of them, yeah, but right now "who other people want to lynch" is like 80% of the game.austin we aren't going to lynch claimed blue bh and we aren't going to lynch foolishness who is doing stuff so instead of asking people random questions about these people can you actually look into the people that other people want to lynch and talk about who you'd like to lynch? I'm doing some thingies. | ||
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If he's scum, you're basically just letting him clog the thread up while nobody really convinces anyone of anything. | ||
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If you chat with me, I promise to use the word "balloon" in some of my posts. | ||
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On May 22 2014 05:21 Blazinghand wrote: (2) is why I ask, sorta. RNG is statistically speaking fairly likely to hit scum on D1, especially compared to your typical D1 lynch. In a 9-player game with 5 VT, 2 blues, 2 mafia, you've got a 2/7 chance of RNGing mafia (assuming you reroll on blues), which is like 30% chance of mafia lynch, compared with a 40% (i think it's probably lower than this but w/e) lynch rate for small minis. In a big game like this, it's very very hard to actually get a lynch together. Plurality is better than majority, but it has its own weaknesses. Scum can more subtly and easily push a counterwagon D1. Most D1 cases are kinda crappy anyways. I always have reads but never for like super clear reasons, only reasons I can compare to myself. An RNG lynch does a lot of stuff 1) it has a good chance of hitting scum 2) it guarantees discussion. 3) People think scum will just jump on the wagon, but historically scum don't jump on RNG wagons of townies so it's really not any more dangerous to town than it is to scum. 4) In this particular setup, with many factions, there are probably many more scum than there are usually. This means that RNG is even MORE likely to hit scum, and better, scum are less likely to actively oppose it if it's on scum (though they may opposite it anyway as an easy stance to take) since they aren't working together 5) also odinofpergo voted for me and didn't follow it up, didn't really try to get anyone to agree with him or lay out arguments, which makes it more likely he's scum (this is distinct from RNG) 6. Statistically speaking, it was bound to hit scum eventually, and it looks like this time it actually did. There's that stupid post somewhere from Palmar or Ace about why he's proposing RNG and what it's good for, and a bunch of the reason is that it can get people to take stances on the target ---> if RNG lands on mafia, who reacted weirdly, who is fighting RNG for bad reasons, blah blah. Along with just the general discussion. But in this game, even if there's more mafia TOTAL, which we don't know to be the case, there's less of any given team. Like...you're losing some value because it seems less likely you can DO something with the lynch. You think that purely spinning the wheel, even if we've lost some other value, is actually worthwhile? | ||
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Of any note, mtam seems like, if she's mafia, she'll out herself just by posting and attitude. Newbie games are super energetic, playful, declaring herself the town leader, a bunch of posting stuff and ending with "inb4 ____ posts". If the playfulness or involvement isn't there/declines, seems like a decent tell. More than anyone else right now I like ritoky for mafia. He's got like 2.5 posts, that are PURE reads, and the majority of the reads are super inconclusory/wishy-washy/say nothing. FIRST SIZEABLE POST On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote: Neutral, town, neutral. Skeptical because she "oozed town" last game, but notice how his read was never SCUM. If someone oozes town one game, and doesn't the next game, you don't conclude they're town/neutral, you conclude they AREN'T town at some point. But there's absolutely no calling of scum, just...neutral/pause and concern. 1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far. 2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum. Throwaway RNG comment. People who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information, they're mafia. Not "people scumhunt and think their suspects are mafia, and prefer to lynch them." This is an altogether curious statement for me, I can think of reasons to like/dislike RNG, but finding people who dislike it scummy SOLELY because they think they've found mafia or CAN find mafia is...no bueno.SECOND SIZEABLE POST Volunteering here is some minor plus points, but ... the statements themselves are negative points. On May 21 2014 15:15 ritoky wrote: Essentially, ritoky volunteered to call a bunch of people null. This wasn't directed at me, but I just got back and noticed a decent segue for me to give input on this as well. re Yell0w: To me, his play is very much similar to the last game he played. He bumbles and fumbles with the details sometimes but overall I read his intentions are fairly pure for now. I don't necessarily think that because he contradicted himself that makes him mafia, it could just be bad VT play or forgetting what he said. He even admitted he contradicted himself, which is uncharacteristic of scum imo. Usually scum would be more concerned with keeping their story straight and their ducks in a row so early on. re HF/Steve: I think a lot of that is predicated on reads from previous game experience with eachother, which I don't have with them so I can't say. re Austin: null re Ceph on bunnies: I think it is the most substantive accusation out there right now; that said I don't like all of the substance. I think bunnies has a ton of redeeming qualities and has done quite a bit to drive conversation so far, however as I said previously and as Ceph pointed out she seems very defensive in some posts and concerned with self image which is offputting for me. So for now I have her in a neutral area. re Bunnies on thrawn: I think she is trying to shove a square peg in a circular hole. I think she is pushing a stubborn and conservative player who doesn't like making accusations until there is enough substance to make them into making an accusation before he is comfortable. As of now I like thrawn more than bunnies because he chose deliberately to not force out a read or flimsy accusation and stuck to his guns. However, that comes with an asterisk; that asterisk being that when he does talk, if it comes off as sheepish, parroting, or flimsy; then he is probably scum trying to blend in with the current of votes. And just because someone (can't remember) seemed to think my read on waveofshadow was odd. I would say to you: read his filter. I find that he seems to be asking for a lot of information without giving anything back and either ignoring productive talking or actively avoiding it in a lot of cases. Much of what he says is jokes and non-committal responses. He could just be playing trolly VT during day 1, but I read it as more scummy. Yellow's play is similar to the last game they played, his intentions are "fairly pure", there's some "I don't think he's mafia there", but if you have a minor meta read on the guy AND you think his posting this game is kosher, I'd expect something more townie. There's no "He's TOWN" pop. It's just "I don't think he's mafia for this." HF/Steve are no reads. I'm null. Bunnies is null, Ceph has the fattest case but he doesn't like the meat, and that says nothing about Ceph. Thrawn is town but with an asterisk, and the overall read is "thrawn is null, and will be town or scum depending on how he presents reads later." That whole post just comes to very little in the way of actual conclusions, it's ritoky volunteering to give thoughts, reads, but all his thoughts and reads come down to "I don't really know" for the most part (yeah, not all, hyperbole, suck it). COMPARE DAT SHIZ TO RITOKY'S LAST NEWBIE in which he was town. His posts have like...strong reasons. He even has an example of him being unsure on someone's alignment, directly talking to them, giving reasons, and looking like he's trying to figure something out without just saying "Maybe x or maybe y." It's a big difference imo. Specifics - + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote: I dislike THIS POST and THIS POSTER. I have read and looked at your posts, and HERE IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOUR MINDSET HERE.I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote: Super explanatory about thought process. What he thinks Bunnies was looking to do re: yellow, and actively pushing at Epishade for what he's doing, saying that the thing being done is scummy.Really? Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did) I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing. On April 29 2014 13:52 ritoky wrote: THIS is the biggest difference post for me. He says Epi was reacting incorrectly, doing something mafia might do. So he's poking, he's talking, he is TRYING TO FIGURE EPI OUT by chatting with him. At the end, there's a CLEAR conclusion, even if it's nullish. I thought you were mafia for this before, now my opinion is changing because of this. You've come back to neutral, and you will move based on this following thing. Compare that version of "you're neutral right now" to the summary neutral statements in the current game. He's interacting directly, he's got clear ideas of what his read on someone WAS, how what they're doing now is changing it, and where they go in the future. It's not mush, it's trying to figure someone out.See, that makes sense to me; but what doesn't make sense to me about your reaction is that you wanted the entire convo to simply go away/end. Which is why I read you as deflecting off of yell0w. If what you're saying is true, and you had a different view of the situation that led you to a scum read on bunnies; then why didn't you push hard back on bunnies? To me you read less so as accusatory toward bunnies and moreso as let's stop talking about this. It also seemed to me at the time, that you were setting yourself up in a bit of the "I told you so" position if yell0w ended up being a mislynch, which I also didn't like. But you have come around a bit for me, the openness in your change of opinion bought you back some credit for me, but I am still now sold on you as town, especially if yell0w appears any more mafia than he currently does when he comes back and starts typing. GO READ THE FILTER YOURSELVES YA LAZY FOLKS. BUT HERE'S A CHUNK OF READS FROM THAT GAME On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote: There are DIRECT conclusions. Even where things are mushy (bunnies is neutral but leaning town), there are clear statements. I think bunnies is maybe TOWN for THIS. He's actively calling people particular alignments, which, to me, was lacking from his summaries in this game.Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people. tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's. epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise. bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of. yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch. sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. | ||
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On May 22 2014 06:13 Blazinghand wrote: You were so focused on the %s that I was trying to see where this would go, whether you were also thinking about multi-faction stuff affected the other value and other reasons to possibly RNG lynch.No, I totally get that. People vastly underestimate the value of post-RNG lynch analysis. Think of it as a contrapositive to the zephirdd rule. It's got the same backbone of solid reasoning but the same honey-laced exterior that draws bad attacks. Wagon development for an RNG lynch doesn't need to be pure RNG. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to lynch Odin now for reasons unrelated to RNG. When he gets lynched, some of them will mention or not mention RNG, and that gives us info. I'd go into more detail but I don't want to ruin it. Surely you can see what I see here, right? As far as going into detail, plenty of people wanting to lynch OOP for reasons unrelated to RNG, no...I don't FULLY see what you're getting at. Your posts where you call OOP scum for his response and his posts started to read like mild lunacy so I passed them over. I'd rather have substantive posts from you, like the above discussion or like stuff unrelated to RNG, like how ritoky looks or how kita looks to you. | ||
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He's around at a couple different times, but with NOTHING substantive. Even when not around in that recent large game, he had a list of people and posted a couple of things and seemed to not care but in a townie way. Here's it's minor chip-in comments and nada. Unlike how he played mafia in that game with you/gonzaw/himself, don't think I've played with pure mafia kitaman apart from that, but not certain. Not what I'd expect either way, but being around on occasion and seeming to know what's been happening in thread, plus choosing to comment on things like BH's claim, who used the word "heart" in posts....no bueno. He's read the thread and the conclusions he draws are about hearts. | ||
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On May 22 2014 06:32 marvellosity wrote: Pre- any prodding?tbh I'd have expected a scumkita to have fabricated some nonsense case with a lot of words by now. It's one reason I'm asking, because he was quite active on the D1 where I've seen him scum, but that's not enough to go off of, and this is just...nothing...from him. | ||
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Also, you know I won't go away even if you try. Layabout's threadcop posts read slightly townie to me, like he was threadcopping not just to do it, not for cred, but because he actually didn't want to read steveling's posts or look at hula hoop pictures. | ||
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"do you agree/disagree with MY THOUGHTS about his reads this game?" i.e. IS MUSH!? | ||
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I think that staying clear of people you don't know and sticking to reading folks you feel more comfortable with would make PERFECT sense in that vein. You can see it when we get new people from video mafia. Specifically, I know in Foundation we had like...robik, poofter, amiko, and killing? 2/3 their D1 posts were on each other, because they kind of knew each other, but they still reached conclusions and had thoughts. For the most part, ritoky fits that where he's on bunnies/yellow/otherpeoplehe'splayed with. I DISAGREE that wishy washiness results though. If he's shown he can have firm conclusions, reasons for conclusions, and I don't think that falls away just because you join a big game. I was a NUTCASE in my first large game, but I reached stupid hard conclusions. Especially since a lot of the wishy washiness is about people he's played with, and even concerns similarities in games (someone is acting like they did in x game where they were town, but ritoky doesn't actually call them TOWN). Those are, at least, pieces of the big game that he should be somewhat comfortable with. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:14 Koshi wrote: having played with a lot of fire/deadly sun rays in my life...i don't melt.Austin, even though I received marvs blessing I am willing to sheep you. But you got to tell me more about layabout than this. If the lynch is between layabout and rikoty in the future I would like to read your entire opinion on layabout. If I feel you also melted with layabout his mindset and if you then still feel we should lynch rikoty I will sheep you ezpz. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:14 Koshi wrote: Also I don't want sheep yet.Austin, even though I received marvs blessing I am willing to sheep you. But you got to tell me more about layabout than this. If the lynch is between layabout and rikoty in the future I would like to read your entire opinion on layabout. If I feel you also melted with layabout his mindset and if you then still feel we should lynch rikoty I will sheep you ezpz. Does willingness to sheep indicate you AGREE? Regardless of the answer there, whatchoo feel about wishy washiness and small --> large games. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:20 Hapahauli wrote: You were asking ritoky to respond to my case, and marv's comment about someone's MZ read was about ritoky.But I'm not advocating lynching ritoky over layabout. I'm advocating lynching Tambo over layabout >> On May 22 2014 07:18 ritoky wrote: Can you start small then? Go with the people you've played with, pick like...2. Any 2 of your choice. Plox to read them and try to get a feel for them and actually conclude stuff. re Austin: I mean, I wish my reads were better too, but so far this game has been very confusing for me. Yesterday turned out to be a very busy day for me, so my attention wasn't at it's fullest in this thread, which is partially my own fault. However, nearly 25% of this thread seems to me to be a group of veterans who know eachother trolling and making inside jokes which I don't particularly get. Thus it is very hard to read a lot of people in this game. I have only read about 10 pages from my last post so hopefully by the time I get caught up I will have better material. If you want my thoughts on particular people, then I will do my best to oblige. On May 22 2014 07:17 geript wrote: You got a long way to go, sir.Slam... Think about Scumeling and answer me my questions three mmmK. 1. On a scale of 4 to 36, how much scooby doo are you? 2. If you were forced into having a threesome, which two celebrities would you choose? 3. Beets or Brussel sprouts? | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:26 Alakaslam wrote: Atlanta Please tell me you are in the west? My neighbor is the president of OceanMist's desert division, I can get so much fresh produce and he knows the art of Grillen well (see Zatic and blog, and his neighbor is a East German woman who is also amazing but later) basically this is great wisdom  I would super highly recommend slicing em into chunks, roasting in the oven, and adding just some ginger/scallions in oil to it. If you want to Grill em, usually you gotta wrap em in foil and do em whole. | ||
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What I wrote about him included calling those things no bueno, the ones you seem to like. Also let's talk about this: On May 22 2014 07:30 Koshi wrote: This quote is either a lie, or it is town. Mafia is not able to feel like this. I wasn't in this newbie game nor did I read it but if they both were town and if it is true that rikoty was able to instant read her town than this read is pretty ok in my book. It isn't that wishy washy. There are maybe more sentences than needed but each sentence adds some more meaning. Specifically:
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On May 22 2014 07:57 ritoky wrote: Aye. I went the wrong way on something, my post below the quoted one is DISREGARD MY LAST POST. LAST POST WRONG. or something.I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies. However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind. | ||
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On May 22 2014 08:01 Koshi wrote: The mafia mindset is that town scumhunts. Town needs to scumhunt, wants to scumhunt, it's what town does and how town wins the game. "people who think they can do better than RNG must have outside information" and "I find people questionable who say they think they are better than RNG" is essentially...."I think that scumhunting is useless." Not in quite so strong terms, yes, but "people who think they can do better than RNG" is a set of people who have reads they think are mafia. They want to lynch THIS GUY and not RANDOM GUY. Point 1 is wrong Austin. He was going between scummy and neutral. Same as the not specified gender person that has a name that rhymes with that thing you slap with the bells on the side. point 2 is indeed curious. But is it mafia? What is the mafia mindset? Is he trying to put an idea in the thread? Is he forcing town to look deeper into the people that think the rng lynch is good? Putting more dirt on those people? I don't feel that. He is pretty general talking about "these people". It's not like he is trying to incriminate 1 person. He just gives his opinion. Anyway. I am going back off on all this giving reads thing I am now doing or I am going to get too involved in this D1 lynch. I don't want that. In essence, you're just straight pooh poohing on scumhunting by saying there's no reason to think anyone can outperform RNG, and, moreover, you actively think the people who believe they have caught scum ARE QUESTIONABLE. That's the mafia mindset, if you NEED one to be there. People who think they can find scum are questionable, people who scumhunt are questionable, just bow down to RNGsus. It's also just a bit of the opposite side of the "oh man, that guy is thinking what I'm thinking so he's town!" coin. People hate RNG for all sorts of reasons, but I've never seen any townie think "RNG is good because there's no way we can do better than RNG. In fact, anyone who THINKS they can catch scum on D1 is questionable." | ||
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On May 22 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote: If this is true this is my favorite post so far this game, lol.where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum, Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3 The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"? HE'S TOWN, HE DOES THIS ALL THE TIME UMMMM, HIS GAMES ARE MOSTLY AS MAFIA | ||
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On May 22 2014 09:41 Holyflare wrote: Wasn't. Now am.austin are you still around? you still want to lynch ritoky even though half your case on him fell through? No, don't want to lynch him today. Part of my case is not there. Him being worried about people who think they can catch scum is still scummy to me, and I'm still not buying the small game --> big game = wishy washy thing that people seem to like. But part of my case WAS bass ackwards, and...I don't know what to do with his responses to me. Like he posts a new single post that's a list of people, answers me on a thing, then jets. If all we get is list list list, don't forget him. Will unvote. On May 22 2014 10:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Can you...go through what you're thinking here? You agree with a bunch of reads, do you agree with the reasoning that HF uses or just the idea that this guy and that guy are mafia?I agree with quite a few of the names you have in your lists, almost all, actually. But I do still think that you're scum. | ||
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On May 22 2014 09:15 mattisfoolish wrote: Was, but drop it, ongoing game, etc.Austin, I'm not sure what your purpose was in asking me that question. Are you looking for proof that I am who I say I am? It's in the hydra name and signature. I don't think there's a specific rule about lying about this sort of thing but I feel it would be in bad taste to do so. That one post on slam just read very unlike other posts of yours, imo, if you're Foolishness. Not sure if bad taste or next level smurf/hydra strats to fakeclaim the person behind the keyboard. | ||
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On May 22 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Any in particular you like more than others or dislike? I can understand agreeing with "modkillable" and stuff that summarizes as "low/no activity" on just general grounds, but a LOT of the reasoning at least in the main list is that. I like his reasoning and his reads. But I do still think that he's mafia. | ||
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On May 22 2014 10:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote: What made you go fromI think you're town. Jampi and Ceph are higher up in my list. Thrawn seems town. On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote: to wanting to lynch him and@Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia. However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town. I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies. On May 22 2014 10:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Like, what's the reason behind the transition from "this is wonky but I think you're town" ---> "that was wonky and I want to lynch you"I don't like how Ceph jumped right on you, as soon as he came into the thread. Plus, as many others have stated, the case itself isn't all that good. | ||
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On May 22 2014 11:10 geript wrote: POOKIE PIE READ THE LIST AGAIN. LOOK FOR WORDS THAT RHYME WITH BOSHI.Koshi is likely town from his play. You should look at Layabout's reads. The last one is especially good. Jampi I have a note that says "look through to see if he asks so many questions" cuz 90% of his early stuff is just ?????? Haven't done so yet. mtam's messy/enthusiastic stuff reads like the last newbie koshi i don't like the read on WoS dunno. And right now, the disciples of ABBA care not for the Anyone vs. Steveling show. | ||
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On May 22 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote: I think that MZ is giving short shrift to the other thread shitters or attempted-thread-shitters.Austin what do you make of mz saying there's a red between me/hapa/steve because we're the ones shitting up the thread? | ||
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On May 22 2014 11:22 Holyflare wrote: I feel the opposite. Giving some suspects and then adding that you think one of these three is mafia but you're too lazy to figure it out right now doesn't seem like pushing something or a neat way to throw your buddies into a list. More like a "oh yeah and I think this too but it's not fleshed out" addendum to a real post.Looks quite scummy imo. Mentions list of scum reads or would lynches and then randomly throws in "here are people that probably contain red but I'm not going to talk about them and they are shitting up the thread!" looks an awful lot like mafia throwing in mafia to reads. Hapa isn't even shitting up the thread and I'd say I'm at least being productive so it's odd that he'd mention it over other people that are far more detrimental. | ||
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On May 22 2014 11:28 Holyflare wrote: No, I can't explain why MZ would think what MZ thinks. But you can ask MZ!so why does mz have such a warped view of the thread then? can you explain that? But posting "hey maybe one of these guys but I'm lazy right now" isn't a mafia thing imo. | ||
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On May 22 2014 11:35 Holyflare wrote: Curious is cool, but...doing that doesn't reads actively townie to me. A thrown-on "oh yeah and this".i don't mind if it's different i'm just curious why it was such a completely off base thing to add to a post of scum suspects when it had no logical reasoning behind it and it wasn't even substantiated because he didn't even know who posted what On May 22 2014 11:33 geript wrote: Because honestly everyone who has spent a bunch of posts sniping at each other makes me 0% motivated to read their stuff or listen to anything they say until they stop it and calm down.I did. I just didn't terribly care. He clearly meant Scumeling when he said Alakaslam and anyone who wants to lynch Scumeling is town in my books. Why haven't you read Scumeling's filter to see how obviously scum he is. | ||
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On May 22 2014 12:39 thrawn2112 wrote: OdinOfPergoi'll take any requests though as long as they're interesting and don't have anything to do with geript, bh, or steve BlueyD ShiaoPi Ritoky (for bonus points here, I make a case a while back and people comment on it and he comments on it and there's STUFF there where a bunch of people do things) pick 2 or 3, all are relatively short I think. Pookie Pie (for others, this is Geript), I'll try and read Steveling tomorrow morning. I need coffee if I'm gonna wade into all the ingoing and outgoing mess. | ||
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On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote: Not me, I think maybe WoS? I'm talking to some sheep of the non-following and yes-counting variety.who was it that said they'd talk about the game to someone else when it was finished? was that austin and kita? | ||
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On May 22 2014 12:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: (1) SHHHHHHHHHHHum austin shiaopi is the host... (2) I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT ONE | ||
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Also, I like these posts: On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote: I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 07:56 Valenius wrote: (sort of acknowledgement that something he's doing might be scummy, doing it anyway for no reason but to add a little comment)At the risk of being shouted at for setup talk, I'd be a bit disappointed if it was one scum faction. Cross-shooting (see BH's post) would be funnier. | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:29 Blazinghand wrote: BH I have a vote.I really do think Odin is scum. Even his meta which Koshi thought exonerrated him, was actually very different from his town games. If you move to Odin, he becomes the lynch candidate. This is your chance, dude/lady. It could be yours, for the low, low price of telling me on a scale of 1-10 how much you truthfully think you can meta Odin | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:46 Koshi wrote: I don't think you can match em up 1:1.BH was pretty persuasive in YOSO on SnB right? Or was he less persuasive? Anybody remembers? I don't want to fall into this rng trap :/ | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: ##vote: mtamburniI Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Let's play a game! I'm gonna give you a person. You're going tell me the towniest thing in their filter, the scummiest thing in your filter, and what you think their spirit animal is. You're also going to ignore that the previous sentence was grammatically incorrect and should have had "his/her" instead of their. VALENIUS! gogogo You can do the same to me when you return. | ||
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Your posts right now are fun and happy in a bad way. And you know that. AND THEY ARE VERY UNLIKE THE STEREOTYPICAL CANADIAN SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT, REALLY. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: Qua? What am I paying for?Spades? -_- YOU WILL PAY FOR THAT ONE. As for tam, I know I've made similar stream of consciousness posts as town after catching up on a large amount. Ya, they are usually pretty bad, but you find yourself gathering quotes of interest and then sharing your thoughts without realizing most of the things aren't really relevant anymore. I think the vote on poofter an hour before the lynch is pretty terrible. Overall, I see a player that is only interested in interacting with his little group and playing for personal amusement, but not necessarily scum yet. How about his earlier stuff? There was nothing from you about him as a whole when I looked back through, although he was on a list of 4 dudes that...I think it was you saying MZ or WoS could look at. Something. And I guess more specifically, you see him as catching up on a large amount? | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:20 kitaman27 wrote: Nah, I'm left handed. If that's some kind of sheath thingy in his left hand, he'd be swordifying with his right? So, not me.Don't toy with me. I see through all your shenanigans. ![[image loading]](http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101018183720/goldensun/images/8/83/GSSpade.jpg) Blados (スペード Spade) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Chalis (Heart), he is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. I'm not really sure what you're asking here. Maybe clarify? Basically, mtam is here and was moments ago a legitimate lynch candidate. I was all like, "I wonder what Kita said about mtam let's chat with kita if we can." So I looked in your filter for stuff about mtam, which is annoying because you can't search for "tam" in your filter. When it comes to "tamb" though, you think his flip flop on mtam is worthy of a vote, say you're looking for an alternative to the mtam wagon, and that's it. When val comes up as an alternative to the mtam lynch (hapa earlier today EST), you're cool with hapa's post on why val might be scum, but still have said NOTHING about mtam. You don't gotta say everything about everyone, but ... you keep touching these things tangential to mtam (BlueyD's stance, a counterwagon) while giving nothing nothing nothing about mtam himself. That's why I asked. In your response, you talk about mtam steam of consciousnessing CATCHING UP, his vote an hour before lynch. I was looking for...more? Like/dislike his early game? What about the misspeaking thing? WHAT ABOUT MARV BEING A LAZY BUM AND NOT ANSWERING HIS OWN THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? The other thing I should have specified and came out funky was me saying "you see him as catching up on a large amount?" What I mean is, you seem to be saying that mtam looks a little wonky because he caught up on a bunch of missed stuff, was posting stream of consciousness during that time. But he SPECIFICALLTY SAID he couldn't finish 70 pages in 4 hours, and he made LITTLE or NO catching up posts. There IS NO STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS imo. He answers a specific question about slam/BH, but he explicitly does NOT catch up, and I don't see the stream of consciousness anywhere, so now I want to poke you about this. So when you say this On May 23 2014 04:14 kitaman27 wrote: As for tam, I know I've made similar stream of consciousness posts as town after catching up on a large amount. Ya, they are usually pretty bad, but you find yourself gathering quotes of interest and then sharing your thoughts without realizing most of the things aren't really relevant anymore. what are you talking about? | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:35 marvellosity wrote: HEY HEY HEYgenerally speaking i want tamb to die. I'm not at all interested in smurfhydra's question to you. It doesn't matter, it's completely uninteresting, and I think it would be best if you don't look at mtam's actual comments and talk about them. | ||
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Doesn't want to assign anyone back to me. Is playful with posts but in a deliberately anti-town way, despite having no real reason to be glib/smug/anything. Still a perfectly legitimate lynch and chooses to taunt in a naughty naughty way, unlike the newbie games where he wants to be town leader and whatnot. No bueno. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:55 marvellosity wrote: Alrighty. Can we schedule this for N1 instead?i'll be happy to talk about it in more detail before d2 if you poke me again. Because it's essentially "do his posts feel awful" I feel like Hapa has looked kinda better since the post I made questioning his impetus | ||
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Could you look at...BlueyD and do a towniest/scummiest post, as well as how you overall feeeeeeel about BlueyD. It's like talking about the word "blue" but it has a y so it is better. All things are better with y and also ABBA. | ||
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On May 23 2014 05:19 Steveling wrote: You're 100% the dude I'm looking for, in that you're playing this game and this is a thing I think you should do rather than using those other words.I will just say that my power is very very unique. Actually I would categorize it as "passive", if you guys play doto you will understand. So sry austin but I'm not the dude you are looking for. I hope the dude you are looking for does his fookin job. I will reveal my role in d2. | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:04 marvellosity wrote: No, that's fine for now. If you've got something posted there or elsewhere that you know of I can hunt it down.Not really in the frame of mind, would have to look at hapa's posts etc to try and reference it. It was ages ago now but Duel Mafia (it wasn't called that, can't remember the name) by HiroPro was the last time I remember playing with Hapa mafia, and the summary I made near the end of my filter (i died N0) were the reasons I found him scummy if you want to search it out. It's not that illuminating iirc though, kinda "feels" I've played with hapa but have no meta stuff, and just want to peruse. May pester you later about specifics. | ||
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mtam, how does that stuff affect vote analysis for you? You sort of say that the non-normal nature of the game MIGHT change things, say what a normal mafia team might do, but...it feels like there should then be some kind of conclusion. Is there a particular way you think voting would change in any of those possible settings? | ||
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Checking that game, there was a response to acro about a hapa suspicion on iamp being similar to another scum hapa game, a "he says x didn't splain himself when x did" and a "hasn't done anything to make me think town + defends himself too much" Really just interested in like bullet points of what a town/scum hapa looks like, even if only one side is filled out and the other side is "not that." | ||
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On May 23 2014 07:25 Holyflare wrote: There were a couple "I want x to happen before I decide", generally seeing if a specific person was going to post, but i don't remember off the top of head anyone specifically saying they liked it but not joining it.too lazy to check but did anyone not on the odin wagon say they liked an odin lynch? | ||
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i know hapa is one, just cuz it caught my eye. On May 23 2014 03:02 Hapahauli wrote: I'll consider switching to Odin depending on what Valenius comes up with in the next few hours. Can't do much on my phone, but I can and will be reading. On May 23 2014 03:21 Hapahauli wrote: I want to hear something from Valenius before I change my vote. If I am changing, it will be to Odin though | ||
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On May 23 2014 07:57 mtamburini wrote: I AM A KIND AND HAPPY POSTER. I LIKED READING YOUR HAPPY POST IN YOUR NEWBIES. I ALSO KIND OF THINK HF IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT MAYBE PEW PEWING YOU.The conclusions I hope to draw from vote analysis mixed with some night actions could hopefully draw a couple lines making the factions more easier to see. A lot of what happened yesterday and next 2 days will be important when trying to draw lines. There were a couple of POI yesterday me being one of them which vote analysis is going to help. BH made a very good post that I was somewhat thinking about, I have not been posting a lot and not making very clear and procise thoughts about stuff thats going on etc etc Id like to hear from the people who pulled off me to lynch someone else. Me knowing I am town people pulling off me must of had a good reason too think I was town towards end of game and for the people that didnt vote for me must of had a good reason why odin was more scummier than me. I would, in a kind and happy way, suggest that if you're going to analyze something or draw conclusions or talk about people of interest or whatever, you do so in a timely manner. Such that people can chat about it, or read it and perhaps shoot you harder/not shoot you, and so that you can be seen as Doing Things. I asked because you were like "oh yeah, we need to take this into account when doing vote analysis" and then didn't say how you think it should be taken into account. My question above was for clarification on that point, and your response is "It should be taken into account, it will help in drawing lines." Which is again, not specific. So. I propose we be KIND AND HAPPY posters, but that you should probably do some of the stuff or explain specifically what you even might do. I would also make the KIND AND HAPPY suggestion that, since you had a crapton to catch up on before the lynch and most likely didn't, it would perhaps be advantageous to catch up. I know that's a lot of reading, so it might also be FUN to just read every 5th page or something but then say something about what you read. If you are town, we will make this a HAPPY and FUN game, and also you should try and do things that will make HF not want to shoot you, again, assuming gun. | ||
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On May 23 2014 08:24 geript wrote: I feel that you have lost your way as a disciple of ABBA, assuming this is a threat of a shot.BH. If you want to live through the night then you will provide analysis on the players that blindly sheeped your RNG, the players that soft pushed your RNG and the players which wholly ignored your RNG. If BH is super duper megascum, then he won't give you useful stuff or won't do anything, and you already think he's super duper megascum so you will shoot him or steve anyway. If BH is not super duper megascum, then he's not super duper megascum based on what he's already done, and NOT doing all the vote stuff himself shouldn't make him scummier than someone else who was scummier previously. So he should never be your shot. It seems like IF you are threatening the shot, BH either is or isn't the shot, and if he IS, then what he says shouldn't matter to you really. | ||
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He didn't full-bore dick around, because he could have dicked around with me and instead he gave me an honest answer. There were 18,000 other lynches available with any pushing from him (assuming like 1-2 people don't join OOP if he starts spamming something else), and yet he continued on just doing his thing. It's not the helpful and ubertown BH I've only seen once but always remember and always judge him against (rock band i think). But he's not being absolutely useless, and he had the...townie amount of rabid devotion to his cause? | ||
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However the MOST IMPORTANT thing I was gonna post is that I think we should stop referring to one of the players as "marv", and instead refer to him as "that elderly heterosexual peruvian man." This will perhaps make the game somewhat strange/interesting, and if he is town he will be driven to play, rather than do jack all. However, if this strategem does NOT make that elderly heterosexual peruvian man post and whatnot, it will still be slightly more than mildly amusing. Hapa, anywhere near done with the next bit of analysis? | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote: Two things: @ Holyflare Why are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ Everyone Let's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote: 9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote: i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote: It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote: I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote: Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote: If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: Early scum read on valenius. Fine fine.Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote: Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650 This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote ##Vote mtanburini swaps to mtam early early, but not because valenius is no longer scummy. As best we know, valenius is still a scum read, he "can wait", not "i'm not scummy on him anymore." On May 21 2014 12:34 Hapahauli wrote: indicates concern over valenius##Foolishness Read: 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, mtamburini, Valenius On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Ritoky/Valenius I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. valenius is NOT PLAYING TO HIS TOWN META. Howeever, this "could be explained by the difference in gametypes." He's been scummy on valenius all day, for his play this game. Now valenius SHOULD be scummy for THIS GAME AND he doesn't match his town meta. Great. Hapa should be concluding dude is super scummy. What's hapa's conclusion? "it could be explained by the difference in gametypes". Note that he's NOT just saying this about ritoky, he's now expanding that comment to a guy he's been scummy on all day and has presented nothing townie about. Hapa unvotes mtam late-ish into the day, as things are starting to coalesce around mtam / valenius, and right before the OOP thing picks up (i think). On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote: When OnceKing brings up lynching valenius maybe, hapa drops this. I personally would THINK there would be some oomph from hapa, some agreement, because again...valenius has been scummy all day for his play this game AND his meta doesn't match, although that MIGHT be explainable.Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote: Boom. Now that onceking drops some posts on him, hapa picks this back up. In my head, hapa should have been on this the whole time.Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. On May 23 2014 02:10 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah xat, you're right. Valenius is scummy. It could be that he's new and it's the transition thing still.Yeah it's the seeming lack of interest and reluctance to contribute that does it for me. It's possible he's just some newbie with an extreme lack of self-confidence, but it's the apathy for analysis that makes it more likely for him to be scum IMO. On May 23 2014 02:23 Hapahauli wrote: Valenius is the best option for today.Alright I'll be driving for the rest of today. I might be able to make a vote post on the road somewhere, but other than that, I'm pretty much done with posting/analysis until after the lynch deadline. I think Valenius is our best option for today. Tambo's recent activity makes me far more hesitant about him. I can't say for sure if he's town, but he's atleast null, and there are better targets out there for today. OKAY NOW IT IS TIME FOR VOTING/LATE STUFF On May 23 2014 02:57 Valenius wrote: Valenius to thread at this time.How long till deadline, vote count isnt showing it for me in mobile browser? On a train for next 20 mins with shit reception :tunnels: OK, youre better than this. Go back to being the long thought out case guy instead of 'hes shit so hes scum' I made that point in one of my first posts, I suck at day1. On May 23 2014 03:02 Hapahauli wrote: 5 minutes later, Hapa is on val and MIGHT switch to OOP after saying nothing about OOP all day AND calling valenius scummy or maybe scummy all day (never townie). This is dependant on what, class? On what val comes up with in the next few hours.I'll consider switching to Odin depending on what Valenius comes up with in the next few hours. Can't do much on my phone, but I can and will be reading. On May 23 2014 03:39 Hapahauli wrote: At this time, 37 minutes later, Hapa votes OOP. Good. So what did Val come up with?##Unvote ##Vote: OdinofPergo On May 23 2014 03:31 Valenius wrote: This was val's only post in the meantime. Essentially, "I didn't have fun trying to look townie, so I'm not putting in much effort this time around."I've said that the previous newbie games have stressed me out. I tried as hard as I could to look townie, including tunneling people just because I had one vote on me in day1. The game wasn't fun for me like that, so i'm not putting that level of effort in. I've had terrible reads on both day 1's ive played, and I don't have any better ones this game. Gonna go read BH's case now. That is ALL that Val posted between Hapa "wanting to see what he came up with" and changing his vote. Valenius has been a scumread of Hapa's all day (or a not-town person, which is...more or less the same). His play is unlike his newbie, where he was town. And Hapa was waiting to see what he posted, which was just the above. Hapa's conclusion is to change his vote to OOP, never commenting on anything about OOP really. Okay great, so here are the bullet points if all that is too long:
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No bueno. THEN THEN THEN After the lynch, here's Hapa on Valenius... From the lynch until now Hapahauli wrote: austinmcc had to fill this space with words because hapa didn't write nothing about valenius He wants to look at buildup to the lynch. Yellow is maybe odd, Slam is maybe odd, Cav looks interesting, Tambo looks interesting. He saw that people were suspicious of his actions during the lynch. He talks with Geript about BH's push on Odin (momentarily, not really "talks"). He saw marv/kita/BH on the OOP lynch. He's interested in slam's OOP vote. Notice ALL of things have something in common. They say nothing nothing nothing about Valenius. Valenius, btw, jumped on the OOP wagon late. What did he have to say about BH's case and his OOP vote? On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote: Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first. On May 23 2014 04:21 Valenius wrote: If you can't fill in the blanks, Valenius has a late vote on OOP without mentioning him beforehand, without saying ANYTHING other than he just likes BH's case. But despite hapa thinking Valenius was scum or possible scum ALL DAY, hapa unvotes Valenius for an unknown reason to vote OOP, and then after the lynch seems to ignore Valenius ENTIRELY, despite the fact that his earlier scumread is fitting this pattern that he's looking at for scum (but he only notices non-valenius people like slam and whatnot)My comment there was more referring to my own original™ reads. BH's case on Odin is still where my vote is. EXTRA TL;DR Hapa finds valenius scummy Never finds him town Might be able to explain scumminess because of newbie --> large game jump Never finds him town Swaps off mtam late back to valenius because of a OnceKing post or two Says he might swap to OOP depending on what Valenius posts Valenius posts essentially nothing but saying he'll look at BH case Hapa swaps vote to OOP without Valenius posting more After lynch, Hapa is looking at the votes and whatnot for analysis He does not pick out valenius as an early questionable person Valenius super duper sheeped the BH case late late late in the day Hapa does not appear to notice this, despite looking at slam for no real reason to vote OOP This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing. | ||
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I'm worried about that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Scummarv is sometimes particularly lazy. The only time I've seen someone really drop a multi-post big, fat, well-reasoned case on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man (don't remember game, was a mini, i think keirathi and hapa were in it and were the ones making the case?), it was about how that elderly heterosexual peruvian man gets really lazy after he plays scum a couple times in a row recently. Also, in general, scum that elderly heterosexual peruvian man is less posty and less helpful than town. Here, we have that elderly heterosexual peruvian man being decently not posty, just kind of piddling around in thread sometimes. He's being lazy and it's not good. Not DEFINITIVE mafia, but it's a negative overall. He's also not fully committing to either joining in when people are being dicks and spamming and whatnot (which i think SOMETIMES marv can do, see comments about offering blowjobs and whatnot). Nor is he committing to STOPPING people from messing up the thread. Nor is he committed to ... much at all. He is NOT 100% connected to Hapa, I find it weird that he won't talk about hapa to me, but ... oh well. Anyway, suspicious of that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. mtam still suspicious. The behavior doesn't fit mafia OR town to me, like...who returns from being nearly lynched and basically thumbs his nose at the thread, then leaves again. Nobody. Overall though, his reaction to the lynch was no bueno. He's ANGRY that people would lynch him the moment he gets back, kinda ANGRY about having to catch up on so many pages. But he basically does NOTHING except flick off the thread for the rest of the day and then the night. Not the right response, imo, of someone trying to solve game/put pieces together. Yes, it's not a perfect fit as "this is exactly what scum would do!", but it's WRONG and the mindset behind it reads not townie. When offered a bridge, he doesn't really take it, doesn't start playing, doesn't ask me to read anyone. I think he's a candidate tomorrow but NOT the guaranteed lynch. Scum should be yelling at him, telling him to dig himself out of his hole, and instead he just digs deeper. So...don't sleep on him being town, get him playing, get him posting, read him. Easiest thing in the world for mafia to just say he's being an ass and not acting townie, but his actions don't fit SCUM 100% either, and so more needs to be said/discussed. Don't like geript so far, but he's not a major candidate. He needs to STOP this crap though, because he can actually play. Don't like Foolishness's long absences and his "I'm just not really gonna read the thread" bit. Really found that post of his on slam weird, but that doesn't MEAN anything, it's just weird. WHATEVER THAT'S KIND OF A SMALL LIST AND NOT AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE People I like: HolyFlare. Not 100% pushing game forward, but doing a good bit of it, making lists again and updating EVERYONE on the list (which reads like trying to solve the game). He also keeps popping in with things that I was thinking, or wanting to talk to people I wanted to talk to. Good good good. Townie townie. MZ. MZ's early game good. MZ's play this game feels unlike PYP: LoL. Overall I just like MZ's stuff this game. Valenius. I actually believe in the toilet read. Steveling. Needs to KNOCK IT OFF with all the spam and with interacting with Geript and BH. Please please. If you don't talk to them or interact with them, you will 100% not get killed and you can help. If you keep doing that crap, it makes thread hard to read AND makes you harder to read, so ... you shouldn't. Please please please? kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town. Smurf Hydra Guy - ALso not super active, but in a similar vein as HF, was thinking some things that I thought were good thinks. Also, the comment about me being paranoid and so wondering if the Foolishness hydra is REALLY Foolishness reads town to me. He's not pushing my alignment, he's just dropping this note that he thinks might be important. Although I don't think me being paranoid means anything, him dropping that little note is nice and it felt like he was actually trying to understand my alignment. I think I thought sqrt was town to for some strong-ish reason but I don't remember it. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:18 Valenius wrote: I know. But I had that all typed up and was trying to wait until the resolution deadline, and also I'm good at being pushy with scumreads. I saw what you wrote, think you're town right now, but I can add a shoulder behind the hapa-is-mafia-mobile to push it.Austin, I brought up my own reads on hapa for pretty much the first half of your post, coming to pretty much the same conclusions on him. Side note though: I was alright for following the rng lynch earlier on, hence my "Same destination, just a different journey" after voting. On May 24 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: It's not just the absence or the swap in and of itself. And I fully believe that you've got travel going on.@ Austin I still don't find Valenius town. My vote-switch at the end is entirely explained by my travel schedule and my lack of time to post anything of substance in the last minute scramble. I posted two of my last 3 posts from traffic, and my vote post from a rest-stop. I made the fact that I would be busier than normal this game both before the game and the lynch. I really don't know how I could make it any clearer than that. It's more just...rather than saying "Gotta travel, dunno what happens", you said that AND "I'ma see what Valenius posts." The second makes the swap seem more like just a swap for no reason, rather than a time-crunch thing, because you WERE scummy on Valenius so it's not like you needed to get your vote off him, and he WAS a legit candidate at the time (i think, although he'd lost some votes) Even if there was travel and the vote and whatnot, your play AFTER the lynch doesn't match. You don't find him town, and he's one of the last voters on OOP, and he votes for NO REASON really except saying he likes the BH case. This is what you call Slam out on, but you don't seem to notice that this guy you've been scummy all day on did THE SAME THING. If you were really watching Valenius as possible scum, I would expect you to notice his late swap for no real reasons, and be on his case as much/more than Slam. On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote: Making up reads is a mafia thing. Town don't make up reads. Your Valenius stuff doesn't read like someone who legitimately has a suspicion and is watching that guy. I don't necessarily think your swap was pro-town (after all, you thought and think valenius is scum), but mainly I don't care as much about the swap as I do the progression of your thoughts on Valenius. They make it appear your read is made up.And furthermore, that case by you Austin really doesn't say much about me being mafia. Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game. Instead, I tried to do something pro-town in what little time I had and help the consolidation onto another lynch. Am I happy with the way it turned out? Not really. I should have taken far more time to read BH"s post, instead of reading it once quickly, seeing a bunch of vote swaps, and going with the flow. | ||
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Geript should do less of that crap too. If he doesn't, see above. BH should be left alone until he actually plays mafia. He could be town, he COULD be some small 3P faction and is just trying to look wacky enough that town won't lynch him (bolstered by claim) and that scum won't shoot him (not REALLY a threat, and a possible mislynch mebbe). Might make a good rolecop check if we have someone, because it's POSSIBLE he just has a sexy role and wants to survive and thinks this is the way to do it. Mainly though I just think we should all shun him and ignore everything he posts and see what happens, because interacting with him and talking about him don't really seem to be taking the thread anywhere. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:31 Hapahauli wrote: Things that townies do:That also makes zero sense though. Why would I fake a scum-read in-thread as a faction hunting another faction? That makes all sorts of little sense, because I'd be wasting time doing something incredibly dangerous for no more town credit than building an actual case. Hunt scum Be dumb Spam Claim dumb stuff Shoot other townies with KP Rest of a giant list Things that townies just DO NOT DO: Fabricate reads without having some kind of short/medium-term trap plan. I would agree that scum can scumhunt this game and doesn't HAVE to be falsifying reads. That doesn't change the fact that if a read LOOKS falsified or IS falsified, then it is INCREDIBLY LIKELY to have come from mafia. Town DO NOT make up reads without a trap purpose, and you've exhibited no trap purpose at all. Whether it's the best mafia play ever is irrelevant, because it's NOT town play. | ||
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He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp? | ||
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It's the whole entire THING. He's mafia, you put him aside but he's still mafia, then he MIGHT be explained by the small --> large game jump (even though he's scummy this game AND doesn't match his newbie play). You pick him back up after dropping mtam, but only after OnceKing points him out. (OH YEAH HEY THREAD I LIKED ONCEKING'S STUFF BEFORE LYNCH AND IT FELT LIKE HE WAS FINALLY GETTING ACTIVE AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD LYNCH AND SOLVE THE GAME AND I ALSO THINK HE'S PRETTY DARN TOWN) But then he's dropped for OOP, despite being a scumread of yours all day and continuing to be a scumread. And when you go to look at votes and whatnot, you talk about kita/MZ/marv and slam and yellow but NOT valenius. In all honesty, the fact that Valenius just seems to slip your mind, despite being a big scumread, and despite doing basically what slam did, is the thing that MOST pushes in favor of this being all made up. It's not the vote. It's more. And it's mainly, for me, the post-lynch response. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:42 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. No push.So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today. The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup. Putting aside that we don't know the actual setup, how do you think multi-faction changes his behavior? | ||
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I'm interested in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Please. We can make this moniker catch on. As far as defense, I'm mainly interested in post-lynch thoughts. Not the vote, not any of that, but mainly why he doesn't catch your eye like slam and co. do. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: Post lynch Valenius - didn't mention him, because my thoughts are ALWAYS on the votes first and foremost post-lynch. I almost always mulligan my reads after Day 1 and start fresh. Bad concrete actions by players (i.e. votes) ALWAYS take precedence over Day 1 meta cases on players that could be lynchbait. How does the above mesh with the below? (I KNOW I'M KINDA SWAPPING SUBJECTS HERE BUT...BLECH) On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote: Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information. I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible. Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad. Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline. Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it. On May 24 2014 00:52 Hapahauli wrote: I can understand immediately looking for bad actions/votes, but you notice Yellow and Slam had sort of nothing-votes.Slam - if you're around, talk to me about the lynch yesterday. You seemed to be active the hours leading up to deadline, and you had your vote on Odin. Yet I can't find anywhere in your filter that you thought Odin was suspicious. The only mentions of Odin in your filter are towards the beginning (RNG lynch stuff). Sticking with the RNG lynch all day (despite being quite active in thread) does not look very good. Ah crap. Here. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Yellow stuck out to you early because he had other scum-reads in his filter but voted OOP for RNGValenius, one minute before voting OOP, says this about you On May 23 2014 04:09 Valenius wrote: and one minute later votes OOPHapa: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote: Two things: @ Holyflare Why are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ Everyone Let's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote: 9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote: i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote: It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote: I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote: Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote: Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote: If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius & + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? He then jumps over onto mtamburini after his/her bunnies post, which is later followed by: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Alright finished reading the thread, and my thoughts haven't changed too much. mtamburini's still my lynch of choice today. I've already made some thoughts on her larger quote-bomb post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=38#745 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=40#787 ...and foolishness has a post on her as well... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087 Just to add to this though, I found this post which is all sorts of WAT: She quote's ceph's giant case on Bunnies and basically blindly agrees with it. There's no indication in this post that she's actually read the damn thing - it's almost like she looks at the case, sees it's big, and just sheeps it. Furthermore, the bolded comment is incredibly strange, given that yellow flipped town in the game in-question. You'd think she would exhibit more pause after wanting to lynch a townie for similar rationale, but instead she bolsters her suspicions with it... that just makes very little sense from a town perspective. Of all the points against her, I think this is the most compelling. Ritoky/Valenius I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. "I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates." - What?!? You were pushing me early on when nobody else except MZ really was, and you seem like you've just rediscovered that you think im scummy? You then seem to completely drop off me: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote: Be dissappointed in your own play. This is literally the first read of any substance you've made all game. Talk to me about some other people - mtamburini and ritoky are a good start. Surely if you think i'm scummy, you'd be mentioning me in that list? You then come back onto me when: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote: Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. OnceKing posts his 'observation' which ive already said i think is a ridiculously easy one to make. I even bolded my own town/null reads for ease of viewing. Anyway, you're the closest read i have to scum at the moment. Just flipping about and pushing whoever seems to be flavour of the hour. On May 23 2014 04:10 Valenius wrote: but actually mentions you right before the lynch (btw, I read Valenius asking about his scumread and if anyone had read it right before the deadline to be pretty durn townie)##Vote: OdinOfPergo On May 23 2014 04:50 Valenius wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts on hapa? Not for today's lynch (obv), but going forwards? Not only does Valenius have...I guess just one scumread, not a filter-full. But it's on YOU. How is Yellow the guy you pick up on having scumreads but voting OOP for no real reason, over Valenius, the dude you thought was scum, think is scum, and had a scumread on YOU that he was even pushing 10 min before the deadline while voting BH as sheep>? | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:01 geript wrote: Reasons that I don't buy - to get town points, to buddy you, whatever. Reasons I can actually buy - at some point, a shitty thread may be good for mafia, but even mafia has to not want to read super duper shitty threads. The you vs. BH vs. steveling stuff could be toned down about 5 levels and still make thread slightly less legible, so I don't see it as full negative to try and get people to tone things down.Hey Austin, I want you to explain two things to me: 1. Why would not-town Hapa respond to me the way he did and get pissy at me and how I was playing? 2. Why do you even think I could be not-town? His talk with you does read like he's legitimately concerned about what you're doing, not just getting town points. As far as why I can think you could be not-town, it's because I don't find you to be a shit poster or anything, and you're just continuing to do stuff that you have to know is anti-town. I can't go having a pookie pie who rolls town and chooses to much with the thread. On May 24 2014 05:04 Hapahauli wrote: I'll look at yellow. Mostly ignored that filter.Ge ge guys. Read this, and tell me exactly why my case on Yell0w is not bad/damning: Yell0w + Show Spoiler + Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote: Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion. ##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote: ... ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game. tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town. ... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. ...because I think it's very strong, and much stronger than my case on Valenius. Someone voting RNG over their articulated scumreads is the most eye-catching things I can think of in a mafia game. As for Valenius - again, I think he is scum, but I have less concrete evidence to believe so. And hell, someone being suspicious of me is not a scumtell. Why on earth would that factor into my decisionmaking when reading him? Sure I'm suspicious of him for his lack of content elsewhere, but just for the case? No way. HF, interested in whether you were serious. ALSO DISLIKE THAT PEOPLE SEE THE LACK OF MTAM SHOT, WONDER WTF IS UP WITH THAT, AND MTAM'S COMMENT POST-DAYPOST IS On May 24 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote: Not sure if the mod is being flavourful but didn't someone mention something about being electric and then someone got electrocuted? THAT'S NOT "WHO SAVED ME" OR "HF MAFIA LIED ABOUT SHOOTING" OR ANY KIND OF "WHAT JUST HAPPENED." That's someone knowing what happened, knowing they'd be saved or whatever. Booooooooooo. | ||
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Also, do you make anything about mtam's return? You're in the position to know exactly how YOU think if someone goes "I'm going to shoot this guy overnight." mtam was super duper duper targeted by HF, who appeared more serious than other threateners. If you thought you were really going to be shot, how do you act that night, and how do you act upon seeing yourself not shot? | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories:
People off of the main wagons: There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini + Show Spoiler + Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: I Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. ... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote: tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: ... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 ...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3 He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. sqrtofneg1 + Show Spoiler + His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie. Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... On May 23 2014 03:12 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far. Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different. Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo. I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo. ##Unvote ##Vote: Valenius ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Cephiro + Show Spoiler + Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction. I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion. Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Ritoky + Show Spoiler + Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. Geript I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. That's Hapa's voting analysis thingy Hapa I don't think Cephiro is mafia atm. His whole bunnies thing was sooo convoluted. And I've seen him all over the place like that as town before. I remember catching him in LXII and his posts were much clearer. So yeah. sqrt I think I agree on, the Odin townread does kinda reek of TMI. On May 24 2014 05:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Woah, those kills are interesting. Filter dive time. On May 24 2014 05:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think koshi's partner/teammate in his faction is jampi. On May 24 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I can't find anything of value imo in bkq's filter... Also in MK's too. I'm bad at using town filters. | ||
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Hapa I will look at yellow. Please keep posting. Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, besides you being generally more active, can you talk about this?Inactive unknown maybehydra smurf maybe gets killed for reads, maybe gets killed because someone thinks it's a strong town hydra. Foolishness and WoS, you guys should...play the game. | ||
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Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not. On May 22 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote: about the getript/sqrtneg1 exchange: sqrtneg1 (terrible name btw) says "hapa is town because he's townreading "two alpha towns fighting" getripts says "the person who does what hapa does is usually scum strpt says usually they are but in not this case sqrt thought getript was talking about himself getript was actually talking abotu hapa SO THE READING COMPREHENSION PROBABEM WAS WITH SQRT this is pointless btw I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: What new, more important, and more reliable information?Who's not in my followup? Valenius? Who the hell cares if he's in my followup? Like do you seriously not understand that players are capable of reacting to new, more important, and more reliable information? If you say "people who dropped shitty votes for shitty reasons" or ANYTHING in that wheelhouse ---> yellow having scumreads of his own but just going with an RNG vote, slam basically not mentioning OOP then voting for him then VALENIUS, THE DUDE YOU WERE SCUMMY ON, DID THE EXACT SAME THING. He was scummy on you, worried about mtam earlier in the day, and he returns to make a case on you one minute and then THE NEXT MINUTE EXACTLY vote OOP, after never mentioning him, just to sheep BH's case. So if I'm supposed to understand that you can temporarily go looking outside your scumreads for people who just did a scummy thing, then...what I'm saying is that group of people that did that thing INCLUDES YOUR SCUMREAD. The dude that is a scumread AND does the new, more important, more reliable thing should be THE BIG FAT MEGA SCUMREAD AT THE TOP OF YOUR MIND. | ||
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If nothing else, i think people's reasoning on mtam and valenius is EQUALLY IMPORTANT. We basically came down to end of day with a couple candidates, 3 of em, and no other legitimate lynches. If someone has good ideas on mtam and valenius, and reads em both town, then they are 100% fine by me to vote OOP for no reason whatsoever, because he's the only non-town option for them out of 3. But if we lynch everyone who has crappy reasons to vote Odin we'll be here until 17 days after the game has already ended one way or the other. I'm valuing other stuff more. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:17 marvellosity wrote: DON'T KNOW. Would he only hydra with other Pantheon people? Any of his other posts give you other specific feels?What would you like me to say about it? I had a strong sandroba-read on one of the heads. ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF TOWN-SANDROBA THAT YOU WOULD MURDER HIM IN COLD BLOOD OR WHATEVER ELEMENT OF BLOOD HIS KILL WAS? | ||
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Hapa does read legit frustrated. I'm out for a bit. Will come back read yellow, steveling (geript he smells pretty town and I don't want to read his D1 but I will) Mtam, you should super catch up and post and have a HAPPY and FUN time doing so. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:34 marvellosity wrote: I am uncertain who is being referenced in this post.Also could you please tell austin that "lazy scum marv" means "wants to try but finds it hard to find the right things to talk about even though he wants to give it a good go" rather than "blatantly giving no fucks" | ||
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Some people in this game are MAFIA. If you are town they want to SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE. EVEN IN THE SCENARIO WHERE BH IS MAFIA, ALL THAT YOUR POSTING IS DOING IS LETTING MAFIA THROW A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO THE THREAD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE THREAD AND IT'S ACTIVELY NOT GOOD FOR CATCHING BH IF HE'S MAFIA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR MAKING A MESS. Please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can super relate to being overly paranoid and finding connections in odd places. In my first large game, I thought one guy might be scum because he mentioned it was difficult to type. I found out that one of the villians in the show that was the theme had a bandaid on his head. I would not shut up for a day or so about how he was mafia, but did not know his teammates and they had to find each other, thus, he was signalling his teammates he was mafia by referring to the bandaid. It was not true. It was also incredibly ridiculous. Really though that all caps paragraph. It's true. If he's mafia, this isn't helping to lynch him or catch him or anything. It's bad for us. If he's not mafia, still bad for us. All of this assumes right now that you are town. If you are mafia, carry on. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:45 Steveling wrote: I will say that if he's truthful and says yes, then that's BAD FOR US BECAUSE SCUM COULD RECRUIT SOME DUDE THAT IS APPARENTLY IMPORTANT. If he's truthful and says no, then scum know not to try.I'm only asking why he revealed his role since he knew that he can be recruited. Is this a bad question? If he lies, we're SOL anyway because we don't know what the truth is. We also have no way of telling whether he's truthful or lying. So at BEST it gives us nothing, and at WORST the more BH talks about this, the better an idea scum get of how to deal with BH and maybe slam and maybe that elderly heterosexual peruvian guy now. I am ALSO going to leave this spoiler here, and you should click it. + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote: Lmao. Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote: But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote: Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote: I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. Then I'm really going to get away from thread for a few hours. | ||
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MIGHT get you answers that MIGHT be true and you will NEVER know whether they are true or false and it MIGHT give information to mafia Unless you fully trust him to be town, you don't have any idea whether he's being truthful or jerking the ENTIRE GAME around for another 48 hours. Episode 2 of the BH show. If scum is super mega afraid of him, they will killify him, and we will be able to see that he was truthful. You could also lynch him because you want to know if he's town and being truthful. That is a bad plan. | ||
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Fool is town, building them cases. Fool has cases on mtam and kush. Bluey agrees with the kush case, but isn't sure on mtam.So really, there are two cases and Bluey likes one, dislikes the other, and considers Fool to be town for nothing more than building cases (at least in the above) We've already established that we're in a multi-faction game, and therefore scum can scumhunt other factions, which means that making cases in and of itself, even GOOD cases, doesn't mean what it normally would. If Bluey actually knows Foolish at all, he'd also know that scum Foolish doesn't never build cases, he's more than willing to put together long cases on townies OR on mafia buddies, because he HAS to, otherwise he'd be incredibly obvious. There's a lot more to the post than that, but the Fool read stuck out to me. It also made me go look back for Bluey's thoughts on mtam. Bluey, what were you referring to with this post? On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I haven't super mega duper checked every page, but as this point poofter had a vote on mtam for no real reason, Foolish had not posted his mtam case thing until about 2 hours after, and hapa hadn't posted his mtam case. At the very least, there wasn't an mtam case that drew votes, but there may be one floating somewhere that I don't remember.I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. | ||
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On May 24 2014 01:40 BlueyD wrote: At least for me, it's my most-townie thing in Bluey's filter. For all the weird thrawn stuff where thrawn apparently has magical powers and will awake to destroy all the mafia and end the world in a town victory or won't show magical powers and is therefore scum, BlueyD at this point IS looking at thrawn's filter, and appears to be looking critically. He could always throw out these thrawn reads about how magical powers will active, but this post looks like Bluey actually examining thrawn, and catching a particularly minor/funky point that nobody else brought up/saw.Meh, a few strange things in thrawn's filter (talks about "tambo" being lynchable then asks "who is tambo?" 3 posts down, zero explanation on switch to Odin but it's probably just BH's case) but nothing I feel I can build a case on. The early stuff is just thrawn being thrawn. Nullish read. Slam why do you say Yellow is incredibly trusting? Cuz he puts his trust in BH's RNG lynch before a case is even made, even though he has some scumreads? Isn't that your case as well? | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote: Foolish, what should a townie do to help with the spam/infighting?Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. | ||
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I feel like your case is half "here is kush's meta and how he's scummy" and then this bit of "here is general town/scum stuff", but I want to know if you think they match up. If you think scum generally will complain and do nothing to help the town AND you just read a bunch of kush games and feel like you know kush's meta, do the two match up? Does a townKush actually do something to help town when he complains? If kush is known for giving zero fucks as a player, that would indicate to me that you can't apply the general rule about town/scum fixing something. I'm not liking how you take both "kush is mafia" sides in your post without noticing that, or without squaring it up. | ||
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On May 24 2014 20:50 Xatalos wrote: Given that the other hydra was town and seemed to believe he should be trusted, as well as the bit from elderly peruvian man about how one head was likely sand (and iirc, some analysis of a specific wording that pointed towards americas or maybe sand in brazil), do you think that in a 5 faction game, a Foolishness hydra and a Sandroba hydra both go townside for balance?Foolishness is probably most likely town out of the veteran players. | ||
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Kush is known for giving zero fucks Townies try to solve the problem (i.e. give fucks), scum do not Kush is not trying to solve the problem That's not okay and points towards being mafia I'll look more into thrawn, poking around yellow right now. | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:20 Xatalos wrote: Normally there's some consideration for balance. I would not expect a possible Sandroba, Foolishness, and the elderly heterosexual peruvian to be of one faction.I think the roles are given out randomly and not based on player skill? I think a little less strongly that both hydras wouldn't be one alignment. Town hydras strong, town hydras with strong players super strong. The only issue with this game is the closed setup, so it would be possible that things are balanced around town having strong PLAYERS. But the game would have to be designed BEFORE it was posted, so you wouldn't know who would sign up or hydra, and I don't think you'd balance in light of that. You'd already be set. | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:34 kushm4sta wrote: What is slam doing with his claiming/giving information away if he's mafia?kushm4sta (7): Xatalos, mattisfoolish, Alakaslam, Cavalinho, Steveling, OnceKing, BlueyD blueyD looks town just read some of his filter. steveling looks town but apparently he is supergood scum?? alakaslam is probably scum because 1 hes going after plynches d2 which he does as scum and 2 he's trying xatalos: dunno | ||
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But I like his little comments. I still like the early, "Okay, but can't we create a BETTER RNG system?" post. I like his all caps sarcasm lynch thing. He even comes BACK to the RNG thing in responding to Poofter/BlueyD, saying not only that he doesn't think RNG lynching is scummy, but actively arguing FOR RNG lynches. I asked questions about it since this is my second game and no one brought it up in my first game and I wanted to know people's thoughts on it. Nobody really answered though, people either said my idea was good or it was bad, without saying why, no one answered my questions about BH's method and the general idea I got from the thread is that RNG lynches are just not fun, which I don't think is a good argument. That bit is both following up about RNG lynches, "I asked about x and nobody answered me", indicating to me that he is generally interested in this thing and thinks it could be good and is kinda miffed that people didn't answer. He's also pro-RNG in thinking that the no-fun argument is bad.I don't....he thinks BlueyD's case is bad, was weak, but he doesn't say anything about BlueyD's alignment there. Don't like that. Catches that Kita is missing a post from BlueyD about mtam, the one where Bluey says "burini", causing Kita to miss something. Generally good unless BlueyD mafia and then POSSIBLE indication that they're same team, that he's overly familiar with BlueyD despite having no read on BlueyD above. Likes the case on BlueyD and votes him, indicating that's not a likely possibility (both same team), and therefore, catching kita's screwup on BlueyD is a positive. I also generally just like his response to marv? I think it's a legitimate distinction to draw, that he can complain about folks having no opinion but voting, whereas he has no opinion but isn't voting? Hapa do you think yellow's filter, on the WHOLE is scummy? | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:51 Xatalos wrote: It happens pretty frequently, mainly as a side note. Dunno, but I think it's somewhat stupid to accuse one veteran player by "process of elimination among the veteran players"? If you think I am saying "Foolishness seems scummy here SOLELY BECAUSE the other hydra was town and the list of veteran-y players has a bunch of towns in it at this point" then you are mistaken and not reading my posts and I don't like that. What do you make of Foolishness saying that kush is known for giving no fucks, and then in the same posts saying that his not caring to try and improve the game/fix his concerns is a point against him? | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:57 OnceKing wrote: matt/fool hydra feels likely to me right now. Opting out of reading the thread and into only reading certain requests is kinda meh, but doesn't really point in any direction for me.why are we even speculating about setup when we can be talking about what thrawn or matt/fool have done that makes them town or scum? someone tell me why thrawn is scum or town, same for matt/fool hydra while i go read their filters I really don't like that progression in his kush case AT ALL. I also don't like the way Xatalos is going about sorta-defending him here. Arguing that balance is unlikely is not an honest argument to me, like...whether the game is balanced or not and whether we can do any setup gaming or not, I think it's strange to just argue that balance is unlikely. He also likes fool for a case I dislike, and in talking about him now never seems to consider that I'm not purely looking at FOolishness right now because of balance, but mainly it's that case that got my squinting at him. He says nothing about what I'm saying about Foolishness, despite me having a couple posts in a row on it and despite him liking that case and now someone directly attacking the case and the case-maker. thrawn is...dunno. I want him to interact with me. Last time that happened I got a really clear read on him, and I'm paranoid that he's avoiding it because of that. | ||
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Agree/disagree that Foolishness is double-dipping or whatever, saying kush is scummy on meta, that part of his meta is not giving a crap, and then calling him scummy for not giving a crap in trying to fix his complaints. | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote: This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one). + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote: Feels thrawn's town. wiley is town i think rayn is town i think VE is town balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote: i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote: godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote: bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town. I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point... For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote: and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote: koshi probalby scum also. all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against now he is speechless "Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics. However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter. Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. ##Vote: Kushm4sta STEP 1 I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. Kush is a player who gives zero fucks. Not much to be garnered from that ----> it's not alignment-determinative that kush would give zero fucks.STEP 2 Here's a bunch of meta on kush, as to why his posting/questions match his scum games, not his town games STEP 3 Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. Kush is complaining but not doing anything to help the town -----> kush is scummyStep 1 and Step 3 cannot both be true, imo. If Kush is a player who gives zero fucks, then Kush not caring to help town is in line with him being KUSH. 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Foolishness goes and reads a bunch of Kush games, which, imo, say "Here is a dude who doesn't play threadcop and doesn't run around helping town in major major ways when he sees something wrong", and then in says that kush SHOULD be helping town out when he sees something wrong. I don't think that fits in general, and I really don't like it all within one post. | ||
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That's just a generality. A good one, but a generality nonetheless. I'm curious as to what someone, and specifically someKush, SHOULD be doing there to help. Like, if it's scummy to NOT do anything to help, there has to be a THING you could do to help. What does Foolishness think Kush SHOULD have done to help town about spam and whatnot? He's scummy for not doing X, when I'm not sure there IS an X to be done. | ||
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And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. The last paragraph indicates, to me, that the townie way to complain is to say "THIS IS A PROBLEM" and then to help solve that problem. Giving reads/opinions does NOT help the spam/thread size problem. Like...the whole complaint thing is not that you can complain about x and y so long as you do something helpful somewhere else. It's that you shouldn't complain about x without trying to fix x, shouldn't complain about y without trying to fix y. | ||
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On May 25 2014 04:42 Xatalos wrote: That's not hypocrisy.I think it's more about kush not *generally* helping rather than kush somehow magically stopping people from doing some specific thing. kush complains about something - while not doing anything helpful himself - hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. Complaining about spam while spamming. Saying a lynch was shitty while voting for the guy who got lynched. Preaching a religion while having a secret life on the side where you break bunch of tenets of that religion Complaining about spam while not posting reads isn't hypocrisy. I AM GOING TO PUT THIS ASIDE BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE GETTING THE ELDERLY HETEROSEXUAL PERUVIAN BLOOD FLOWING BECAUSE AFTER INNUENDO AND PLAYING TOO MUCH MAFIA I THINK YOUR FAVORITE THING IN THE WORLD IS CALLING OUT FOOLISHNESS WHEN HE DOES SCUMMY STUFF. Kita, Hapa, HF, Geript. When you guys return to thread could you read these last couple pages and tell me whether I'm off my rocker in: (a) Finding Foolishness's case scummily constructed (b) Finding Xatalos odd for the way he's defending Foolishness. Connecting them in my head pre-any-flips mtam, thrawn, ritoky, would be interested in your thoughts as well. | ||
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On May 25 2014 04:42 OnceKing wrote: Thrawn i dunno about right now. I can construct a townie narrative in my head as to why he's doing what he's doing, I can construct a scummy narrative in my head as well.thrawn and kush read pretty much the same to me, they're both not really playing i'm not really seeing why thrawn is giving off worse vibes than kush to you austin but i guess you got that interaction thing (or lack thereof) going on so yea i'm probably pretty confirmation biased about kush being scum atm, i'm worried about what this might mean since what austin writes makes sense to me so i'm gonna take a break to step back and reevaluate If he's town and he DID superlurk a different D1, and then got great reads that game, then a townthrawn is likely to go "holy shit that worked so well I'm going to do this forever now." Until it fails, I would EXPECT a townthrawn to try and emulate that behavior, because something clicked for him one game. If he's mafia and he superlurked, he's got a great excuse to superlurk. If he's mafia and last time I caught him or called him out as mafia when we were chatting one on one, he's got reason to maybe avoid that as well. There are bits and pieces that don't super lead to narrative, the "who is tambo" thing was a neat catch, and his "Okay guys I'm revving up now" ---> "lol nope couldn't get going" is pretty poopy if it doesn't stop. Mainly though I was townie on kush early, and I'm scummy on Foolishness because of that case, which ... supercharges the read? While not being sure on thrawn. | ||
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On May 25 2014 04:53 marvellosity wrote: I guess early is kinda relative, but here were my thoughtswhy were you townie on kush early? kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town. On May 24 2014 06:13 austinmcc wrote: What do you think of sqrt's post-lynch behavior Hapa? Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not. I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization. | ||
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He defended a scumbuddy by saying we "underestimated the fluidity of [kita's] reads D1" Not the best comparison because he started off there as the only mafia, and was unkillable for a bit, and recruited (maybe that's applicable depending on how this is set up?). But he felt, in that game, like when you really took a good look at him, he was like...trying too hard in places. He'd defend someone for a bad reason, he was attack multiple people and then just dropped those reads for no reason. Like...trying was his undoing? If he'd had little/no reads, or little/no reasons, then he wouldn't have looked so bad. Possible that he altered his play a little or that Dr. Who was an anomaly. | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:06 mattisfoolish wrote: 4 pages too much, but either it's just me being asked to restate something and going on and on, or there are ACTUAL strange responses to this. Xatalos arguing that game unlikely to be balanced, elderly heterosexual peruvian being not just disinterested, but mostly disinterested in discussing YOU, when in other games he tries to read you and if he gets some scummy whiffs is just on your case forever and very spammy about it.Don't know why you need to spend 4 pages debating a minor semantic issue. Really it's simple. You called Kush town and gave some reasons why. I used (essentially) the same reasons to say he's mafia. Either: 1) You disagree with the past-game analysis I did (i.e. I drew the wrong conclusion). 2) You agree with the past-game analysis but Kush is still town for other reasons. If either is the case then say so now. As stated before, if you think that the cases are better on mtaburini, BlueyD, or Ritoky I will gladly move my vote to one of them and not look back. Debating semantics and calling into question me getting mafia lynched is not doing anything for the town. I don't think you're particularly right, at least based on why I found kush scummy in Dr. Who. But I care less about that then what I'm seeing as a disingenuous push by you. My issue the last couple pages is how you made that argument. If nothing else, if a thread is spammy, how does a townie help to solve that problem? And is kush the sort of player that, as a townie, would take those actions? (I think he's more a shot than a lynch, peruvian) | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:20 marvellosity wrote: we should make him play. join me. he managed 7 pages of filter in 4 cycles in newbie LV. not masses, but he did actually play the game. On May 25 2014 05:21 marvellosity wrote: HELLO POT, PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT KETTLEwe're not gonna make him play by vig-ing him, that'll just happen regardless. maybe he'll give some fucks if he's going to get lynched though | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:26 marvellosity wrote: The wisdom of the elderly peruvians is strong.You see what happens in an ideal world is someone like me goes "let's lynch this guy who is doing absolutely nothing" and everyone knows that the lynch is kinda totally coinflippy. but the key is not to say that, you just make the wagon with the strong intention to lynch, even though most of town is in on the secret that it's a "pls play" wagon. you just don't say it. Although now that I've said this, I'm totes serious about lynching that lazy motherfucker. ##vote: mtamburini ##vote: thrawn2112 ##vote: Erandorr | ||
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Pookie Pie, talk with me. I'm not off my rocker, but I'm not voting. And I'd rather vote other people than Da Meat, actually find some stuff, read some people. So I go and I read the people getting votes. And i see that there is kush, who I read as townie. And I see that there is mtamburini, who has some playful posts, and spends a bunch of time talking about work or Civ 5 (don't buy that game you will lose WEEKS of your life when you start playing. Also, if you're going to buy it, wait for the summer sale. They'll put Civ 5 + Brave New World on sale + a bunch of other DLC, and you can pick it all up at once. Brave New World makes some nice improvements, and with all the DLC you get so many more races and options, plus the summer sale will be happening within a couple months). There's enough lighthearted stuff that I get a little confused, because actively choosing not to help town is bad, but there are people popping heads up to go "oh yeah lynch that person" and then disappear again and blah blah blah i'm less certain than at the end of D1/start of N2. And I see that there is ritoky, who comes back N1 and says BH looked long and full of substance, which is a strange thing for a mafia to say after a lynch on a townie, because they can either complain OR shut up, but who says "man, that case on that townie that I missed and you guys mislynched was pretty good." Also, he started looking into night kills, which I like. And then there is BlueyD, who finds the tambo thing in thrawn's filter, showing that he's reading and looking for neat stuff, which I like. He also has some I-think-good reactions to people claiming things, both steve's claim and slam's stuff, rather than shutting up or asking questions or anything, kinda looks like he's really not sure why people are doing this and thinks it helps mafia. And then there is steveling who is, I am sorry, looking kind of town for being SO spammy and so paranoid about BH and slam and stuff. There was a chance he was going mocsta-style scum and being cray cray spammy just to disrupt thread, but all his crap on the claims and the roles hits too close to home for me to want to lynch him. That's EXACTLY me in early big games, thinking that maybe the flavor matters and that maybe Blazinghand burns people or freezes people or whatever. And then there's thrawn, who is the best choice so far because he's doing dick and you can craft a scum narrative for it. And then BH who isn't the lynch. Came to erandorr though and I like that lynch, at least based on Erandorr's filter and not looking at WoS yet. --> And erandorr who I could get behind because there are promises of catching up/posts and promises and promises, but the only thing of substance is him needling at BlueyD and then leaving, no vote, no more stuff, the end. I looked askance at HolyFlare initially for suggesting him over other candidates that had come up, that were scummy D1, etc, but now I actually really like that choice. Need to reread WoS, but would totally lynch Erandorr. First name I come across and feel good about. (I hadn't gotten to sqrt yet but I have him town) Also in looking at filters and votes and whatnot, I really, really dislike Jampidampi. Want to look at some past games to see if he's a very aggressive player, or if that fits a particular alignment, but his early game is just him JUMPING DOWN THROATS over very little. On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote: Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions? On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote: You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote: Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. He has all that stuff with ninjabunnies and MZ, seems quite scummy on ninjabunnies, but places NO vote, and returns to the thread after an absence with - + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote: So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained. Would not lynch today: Meapak Hapa Holy poofter BlueyD austin Koshi BH fool geript bkq ceph wave xatalos Preffered lynch: layabout Could lynch today: Valenius thrawn bunnies sqrt Yellow tamburini MysteryMeat No clue: slam marv steveling kitaman cavalinho If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list. ##Vote: layabout For a dude who started the game crazy aggro, he never votes the read he gets off that, and the aggro is just GONE. He's still kinda bristle-y (that word doesn't look right as one word so I'm adding a hyphen), and his main defender was Koshi. Who btw, flipped not town. He comes back after the lynch to tell everyone they should feel terrible for not lynching mtamuarini, despite the fact that his initial "i'd vote mtam" says NOTHING. On May 22 2014 21:31 jampidampi wrote: And I'm okay with a tamburini lynch, it just feels that anything I could say about her would just be repeating something that has been already said. On May 22 2014 22:36 jampidampi wrote: Well if you had only read the thread up to Marvs vote on you when you posted the first post, I can definetely see you getting angry over people hopping onto you or saying they would look into you more. Hmm... That actually makes me think you're town based on how you seemed to still be angry in your ritoky case. Which seems like an emotional backlash, but it has good points in it. Could lynch him, but I think I'd rather see tamburinis head roll. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini On May 24 2014 04:09 jampidampi wrote: You should all feel bad about not lynching tamburini. Just look at how reliefed he is about not getting lynched while proceeding to do nothing helpful. If a vig doesn't flip him I'll be pushing for his lynch D2. Later he drops his bit on mtam being the lynch today. The more I look at mtam seriously, the less I like straight pushing that lynch, and coming in to say "oh yeah, here's why that bro is scummy GOODBYE" doesn't rub me the right way. So anyway, very aggro although I don't know if that means anything. Doesn't seem to do what I'd expect with the aggro, which would be to vote ninjabunnies. Why push someone, dislike their responses, think they're mafia, but not vote them? His scumreads tend to just look like what the thread has popped up, and the tamburini progression gives me some bad feels. Koshi defending is a minor thing, but Koshi's filter is just a bunch of having fun, with the exception of like...one post where he +1s a Poofter post and likes Poofter's lists, his posts where he decides he actually WON'T sheep me and kind of likes ritoky, and the bit on jampidampi. Anyway, after doing some searching, I'd happily lynch erandorr or jampidampi today. Currently scumreading Foolishness still, if Fool is scum worried about Xat (haven't done a full look at Xat apart from that), and worried about peruvian. Haven't taken a good look at Cav, ceph, poofter, layabout. POOKIE PIE HOW YOU FEELIN' ABOUT ERANDORR AND JAMPI I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPAM THREAD MORE TODAY AND I WOULD LOVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOW AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT JAMPIDAMPI AND STILL ABOUT FOOLISHNESS. | ||
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On May 25 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote: That was his last post. austin: random thought having only read halfway through your post - I do actually remember jampi being surprisingly aggressive in previous games for someone who is generally so lurky. Take that with a pinch of salt, that's without checking and you can obviously verify that yourself should you wish. Also I quite liked his research on mtamb's vote progression that was his last post (I think). Quite happy to chitchat about it though. I'll go check some past games. The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND. I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this? e was a good candidate day 1, and those reasons to lynch him still apply. There's nothing relevant to town in his filter during N1 or D2. Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached? | ||
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Nuclear he's relatively not around, got nuked for it but was immune. Wasn't aggro, but did a "why the fuck did you nuke me thing" and "oh there's a case" thing. Scumlist pops up without anything else really, although he's given reason for some of those people being scummy in the past. Town. Not aggro in I swear this is normal mini. Town. Not the same kind of questions, chatty with hapa a good bit. Seems to have history with hapa, hapa coached a newbie, hapa has jampi as town this game, would probably expect some interaction with hapa this game (check for this). Bastard Mini got cut in the middle and iGrok didn't even post a spreadsheet and I'm too lazy to go find his alignment and stuff. Newbie XLI, very aggro. Lots of quick questions, lots of why did you say this/why are you thinking this. VERY AGGRO. Also gives reads, reasons, even when he has a list because he "can't decide which scummy fucker I lynch", there are reasons and some quotes and stuff. Porkchop Sandwiches. Town. Newbie XL, blue, DT. Lotta quick questions, very aggro. One thing I'm noticing is that when he hammers on someone for not reading/answering his questions, not going fast enough, giving bad answers, he will VOTE them. Read this progression and compare it to his bunnies stuff. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 18:28 jampidampi wrote: No-ones here? I want interactions to analyse... Rainbows, when you come online you got some explaining to do. I'll be leaving now and will be back in 10 hours. On April 06 2013 04:08 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows, are you here? You haven't answeared my questions here and here. I'm not sure about your alingment and answearing these questions would help me with that. Warrent, your filter still doesn't give information what you think about anyone other than Rainbows. I'm sure you must have opinions on others. TheRavenName, I wasn't calling Rainbows for policy lynching, I was interpreting Sarafs post for him. On April 06 2013 14:00 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: ##Vote: Rainbows Rainbows is really scummy. At the start, he had the opportunity to continue discussing what was being discussed, but instead he brings up this hypotetical question. Now what purpose does it serve? Scum could post this to know what kind of behaviour we find scummy. Town could post this to generate discussion. But I don't believe that. Rainbows had already got good discussion rolling about something that matters to town (policy). But instead he brings up something that can't benefit town. And there is no followup whatsoever. Rainbows asked if Ravens was scum or VT. Blatant bluefishing. No scum would ever answear "Yes, I'm scum". If Ravens had claimed VT there, scum would know he isn't blue. Ravens may have in confusion softclaimed a powerrole there. I can't find any townie reasonin Rainbows would ask this question. Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read. Rainbows thinks he is the center of the thread and that he should be talked about. This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. He cares that people see him as town. He cares enough to make a point of being the center of discussion. Scum care for their image. Here is another case of Rainbows caring about his image: The only post which he brings up from nobodywonder is this one, where nobodywonder suspects Rainbows. Rainbows is hellbent in his interpretating that Saraf called him town, even when multiple people have said that was not what Saraf intented to say. If Saraf is town, what Rainbow did was scummy, because he has more reasons to potentiaaly misslynch Saraf. If Saraf is scum, it's still scummy. Rainbows appears to put pressure on Saraf and if Saraf is ever on the chopping block, Rainbows can go "oh shit, my reasoning is really dump" and save him. Anyway, aggro is not a tell for him. I don't think he's been mafia, found no games but I also didn't check chinese grammar micro. It feels GENERALLY like he backs his suspicions up more. The rainbows stuff there, in the game with aquanim he like...didn't like what was going on and votes his face. Not the most damning thing, may be overblowing the differences because I'm worried about him blah blah | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote: "MZ, whatchoo talking about, now I'm kinda finding YOU scummy for how you're defending bunnies here."Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler + For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote: MZ still maybe scummy for this bunnies/jampi/MZ interaction.It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow Next post BOOM On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote: So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained. Would not lynch today: Meapak Hapa Holy poofter BlueyD austin Koshi BH fool geript bkq ceph wave xatalos Preffered lynch: layabout Could lynch today: Valenius thrawn bunnies sqrt Yellow tamburini MysteryMeat No clue: slam marv steveling kitaman cavalinho If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list. ##Vote: layabout Koshi, who defends Jampidampi and appears to be townie on him, said this On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote: But he entirely misses (and most/all of us did), that Jampi goes STRAIGHT from finding MZ kinda scummy to having him on the won't lynch list, despite still finding bunnies scummy. Given that the bunnies/MZ/jampi interaction is the whole reason MZ is scummy, if bunnies is still scummy then MZ probably SHOULD, bar any kind of explanation.I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote: Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler + For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote: It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. Koshi knows jampi's filter and defends him but ... seems to miss something that I'm concerned with. | ||
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I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot. | ||
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On May 25 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote: Let's go with shades of pot/kettle, and shades of "I think there are more productive things" and shades of "In my mind if geript is really a vigi I liked what he said earlier about townies shooting townies (see my posts in YOSO and the postgame thoughts and EVERY THEMED GAME WHERE TOWNIES SHOOT TOWNIES), therefore, geript is unlikely to just go firing at people, but because the postgame of YOSO had a lot of pushing from host-y folks for vigis to shoot lurkers, geript is LIKELY to be okay just shooting a lurker, and so mysterymeat probably gets shot." So in my mind, the problem is already solved because in the future he likely gets shot as the lurkiest of the lurk, and lynching him or voting him is a waste of keystrokes.yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p but yeah that mz stuff is good. | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:24 geript wrote: Whatchoo mean about him jumping around?Ritoky, could you explain where and how your tambo scumread disappeared into Laya and Wave? @Snooglewoogle. How Jampi jumps around seems really towny to me honestly. Like he's jumping around but all of the thoughts are connected in a natural way. Considering the time between the reads, it seems odd but not damning to me. | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:28 geript wrote: Right. I don't have any problem with jamp finding bunny scummy and then deciding that MZ is scummy based on not finding bunny scummy there.Follow his thought process like he's scummy on Bunny, asked MZ what he thought of the Jamp-bunny interaction, bounces onto MZ. Like it's a clear natural progression IMO. Doesn't look or feel forced. You have no problem with: (1) Jamp finding MZ scummy for that, but then having him as not a possible lynch in the very next post? Despite still having bunnies as scum? (2) Jamp finding bunnies scum, being pretty clearly scummy on bunnies, but never voting her and not pushing her lynch, choosing to look elsewhere every time he plops a vote down? I can perfectly understand why he might find bunnies and MZ scummy. But his RESPONSE to that finding is not to vote, and to pull a 180 on MZ for no reason (while not doing so on bunnies). (NEED TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT/IF MZ POSTED IN THAT TIME) | ||
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not "deciding that MZ is scummy based on not finding bunny scummy there" but instead "deciding that MZ is scummy based on FINDING bunny scummy there but for different reasons" MZ just didn't share jampi's reasoning, and jampi thought MZ was scummy because he missed what jampi thought was important | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:36 kushm4sta wrote: What's your favorite kind of cheese?austin you are talking way too much. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:58 Hapahauli wrote: Like I'm not even asking for a lot - all I ask you to do is give me any *plausible* town explanation for how town-yell0w does those actions. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote: Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch | ||
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YOU WANT A REASON IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT AN RNG LYNCH IS A GOOD IDEA, A POSITIVE, WHATEVER THEN THEY HAVE A REASON TO RNG LYNCH I see nothing in Yellow's filter that says "AN RNG LYNCH IS A BAD IDEA LET'S NOT DO THAT." I see multiple posts basically plotting the best way to RNG lynch. If Yellow actively thinks RNG lynching is good, then I can understand what up. | ||
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On May 25 2014 13:07 Hapahauli wrote: No, you didn't.Hell I literally described 5 minutes ago why that excuse isn't valid Austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=191#3802 Why the fuck do I even play this game? No matter how much I explain basic things, pay attention to presentation, detail, and a clean/logical argument, everyone just literally doesn't read. Hi, my name is Jimbo. I like poetry, long walks on the beach, lynching mafia, and RNG lynching. ALL OF THESE THINGS are things I like. I think mtambo is mafia. I think we have a possible RNG lynch. I 100% get what you're saying with "not wanting to lynch anymore" ---> he wanted to lynch mtam ---> well that's odd because he never voted no mtam and instead voted RNG. If you actually VALUE an RNG lynch though, and you can vote ONE PERSON, then you either vote RNG (which you like) or mtam (who you think is scum, and you like lynching scum, so you like this too). But the fact remains you can only vote for ONE thing. | ||
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HE ADMITTED TO WANTING TO LYNCH TAMBO ON DAY1. GOOD LORD. Yes. 100% agree. HE ADMITTED TO WANTING TO LYNCH TAMBO AND ONLY TAMBO ON DAY1. GOOD LORD. Would disagree with this statement. When you want AN EXPLANATION. Here is the explanation HE ADMITTED TO WANTING TO LYNCH TAMBO ON D1 AND ALSO TO WANTING TO RNG LYNCH ON D1, AND HE ONLY GETS ONE VOTE SO HE CAN'T VERY WELL DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. | ||
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Hapa, I almost always WANT to lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian. Either he's mafia OR I just get to lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian, which has some amusement value for me. But I very rarely actually lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian, and I often think it's a bad idea. Because I also want to win the game or lynch scum or be more sure or whatever. Sometimes even with a scumread on him, I won't want to lynch him. Also, sometimes it dawns on you that there's no way you can get any kind of high level security clearance, because in digging up your past people will inevitably run across things like this, and be, quite rationally, worried about you. | ||
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"won't want to lynch him" in the second to last paragraph should be something else. "want to lynch him, but not more than something else, because it might just be for entertainment" | ||
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On May 25 2014 13:40 kushm4sta wrote: Sometimes if I look at a thing, I think, "that tail does make any sense." But then I look at the whole picture, and I say to myself, "Wait. That is a dog. It makes sense that a dog has a tail.hapa is misinterpreting to mean that yellow had a strong scumread of tambo d1. From hapa's filter/original yellow case, or from yellow's filter On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote: ... ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game. tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town. ... | ||
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Hapa's not making up yellow having a scumread on mtam, or assuming it, or anything like that. It is good to see that you are just not reading. | ||
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But yeah, not town. On May 19 2014 16:40 Koshi wrote: This actually ended up being partially true, cuz I absolutely got dat ABBA faction. I'm unsure if anyone else converts, but I do, and to win I need to eliminate a particular other faction, as well as convert a certain number of brosephs.Austin told me he would jooin on Wednesday or even sooner if there was a confirmed ABBA faction. Bill Murray wants to sit out his ban. Then some people have lame excuses like getting married. jeez. What to do on Honeymoon if it isn't maffia? I am unsure if all factions need to get rid of other factions, nor do I know the names of the ones that aren't mah nemesis. I'd prefer not to give out that other information, but we'll see if it becomes necessary | ||
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I'm not the mafia faction or factions of this game. I don't know how factions work. I only know of one other, not how it's set up, not how many people or anything, only that I need them dead if I'm going to win. I assume there are like 2 traditional mafia factions, me doing recruiting with a separate win con, and another win that might be survivor-y or SK or something else. 3 traditional mafia factions seems not right. | ||
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I know that, hypothetically, if multiple factions CAN recruit and recruit the same person, that person does NOT get recruited by either faction. That's all the information I have on possible other recruiters. If there are a bunch of anti-recruiter roles or something like that, then it's likely I'm not the only recruiter, and it's possible that my faction and another faction are at war, recruiting and trying to destroy each other, while the others are the mafia dudes. But I don't know. | ||
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But I jokingly said that I would only join if there was an ABBA role, and wound up getting to be a recruiter again. | ||
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I recruit, make people into my faction. | ||
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I think jampi could be mafia/is mafia. I think Foolishness is ... actually pretty likely, don't like that kush case. It's also slightly curious to me that matt would appear to say that Foolishness is, indeed, a whore, but nothing more. I get that he's not read up on the game, but he doesn't even read a page, or give fake reads, or anything fun/helpful/anything. He's read SOME of the game, because he saw that question and it was pages and pages before he answers, yet he gives NOTHING game relevant. For half a hydra head that's at least partially following the game, no bueno. If Foolishness is mafia, I could see Xat being of his faction. Have not fully filtered Xat, it was a feeling I got as I was attacking Foolishness. Marv could legit be mafia, I dunno. I read kita as town, MZ was town, other hydra was town, in my head that leaves marv and foolishness as vet-y players (assuming BH is actually town). That means that AT least one of them gots ta be mafia for balance, and quite possibly both. Out of the two, marv is townier right now. Earlier today I actually thought HF was a watcher or something, said he was gonna shoot mtam and then watched him instead, and saw erandorr take an action there (and assumed mafia protect or something, because townies unlikely to protect). Guess that was wrong. Got the blue read, got the fake action, but wrong role lol. | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:37 Holyflare wrote: Yup. Again, not the mafia, and I win if I have between a certain amount of people in my faction and the other faction is dead at endgame.No way we let you live to recruit? :o | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:39 Holyflare wrote: Whoever wins does.Yeh but then town doesn't? :o If that other faction wins, I lose. If ANYONE wins and I don't have the right number of people in my faction, we lose. I don't know what the other wincons are, but if all other non-town factions are dead AND I've got a decent number, then we should both win. If one of the two factions I don't need gone has some wincon that's opposed to town but not opposed to me, should be able to win with them as well, under the same circumstances. | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:40 Holyflare wrote: I don't want to answer this one at this time, #mindgamesDo people keep powers when recruited? Or just become goons? | ||
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IF there were other recruiters and IF they work in the same fashion, BH/slam couldn't have recruited each other or anything before the start of D2 basically, so one wouldn't have known about the other or anything. | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:53 Holyflare wrote: That would be just peachy, but I have. It's a closed setup for me as well.Austin if you want to stay alive you really need to just reveal everything about what factions and recruiting does, you can leave out faction name etc The couple things I've not revealed would out me and I'm unsure whether the faction I need gone to win also needs me gone to win, and whether they can effectively do that. And tbh, some of the stuff I've revealed might NOT be true. I know that my faction recruits and doesn't control, but I guess i TECHNICALLY don't know that one of the other factions doesn't control people. I believe that's not the case, and if "control" is something more like "attach a djinn to someone" then that's how I recruit, so it SHOULD be recruiting mechanic and not recruiting + control or something. On May 25 2014 15:03 kushm4sta wrote: Negatory, not red.steveling why not the person we have a [s]red[s/]not green check on? | ||
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On May 25 2014 15:32 kushm4sta wrote: Not defend your stupid face.austin if you were red in this scenario, what would you do? On May 25 2014 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: HF, so that everyone, including the Good Sir of Blazing, understands, did you get a GUILTY result or a thing that says THIS BRO MAFIA or even a RED check. Color kinda important to me here, but I don't think you got a color back?holyflare claimed a guilty result on austinmcc On May 25 2014 18:03 geript wrote: Austin... Why didn't you recruit me? You make me so sad. I had a townread on you to. Fucking ABBA. I hope I get recruited. I really want to be 3P at some point. see below On May 25 2014 19:47 Xatalos wrote: austinmcc: There are some things that I'd like to know before I decide if I want to lynch you or not. 1) You were in Koshi's faction? 2) Did you "recruit" anyone yet? 3) What does "recruiting" actually do? Does the target become non-town? 4) What's the specific flavor on "recruiting" someone? Is it something like "being controlled by a Djinn"? 5) If so, I have reason to believe that this state of being controlled is temporary. That's why I have difficulty believing that it works like you said. If you make your target share your QT and stuff, won't he just reveal everything if he goes back to normal? 6) Do you have KP? 7) If so, who did you shoot last night? (1) Already answered, no. (2) Yes. (3) Depends. (4) My flavor says nothing about control. (5) Not temporary, except I guess death. (6) In a way (7) In a way (Also, my recruiting CANNOT be temporary, because recruited dudes get QT access. I can't give someone QT access, then have them disappear and go tell everyone who's there) On May 25 2014 23:39 kitaman27 wrote: I make my fake claims fun or ... less recruiter-y. Also, whether it makes sense or not, it's here. If nothing else, it would APPEAR that there are other roles that mention control or recruiting or SOMETHING, so you KNOW that non-standard mechanics exist.If I had to guess, austin is just fake claiming recruiter to make us paranoid about any obvious townies. He was caught and had nothing to lose. A recruiter mechanic doesn't make sense in this setup. Suppose his faction recruits a member from a mafia faction. Then they would have the complete scum list for that team. Think of how fast the game would fall apart that way. It doesn't work. Couple other posts coming to clear up some stuff and look at my voters | ||
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Each night I can attach a fire djinn to someone. That djinn burns away the role that the person has and adds a new one (I have a set number of djinn, in my head they're pokemon, and each has a certain ability. I give the person that djinn, their old role is gone, they now have the role of the attached djinn). If I target a townie, the townie is recruited and joins me. Their old role gone, new role in place. Not a control thing, and not temporary. If I target a scummer, I burn away any role they had, lose my pokemans, and DO NOT recruit. Yes, it would be way unbalanced if I could recruit mafia, change their wincon. However, fire is a bit unstable, and so IF I choose to add someone, I also burn a random person for 1 KP. So i HAVE KP, and I could pledge, for the most part, not to use it (i have to recruit more to have a shot at winning, but could hold off for a while or something), but I cannot target anyone in particular. Anyway, I can target a recruit, and if I use it the random KP hits, but I cannot target the KP. Anyway, it looks like all the kill is flavored. My shot hit the smurf last night. Some of my posts from earlier this cycle are smurf-guy-focused, I know that peruvian had a sandro read on it and whatnot, but I'm the one who killed it. Anyway, you should be able to see that I talk more about the smurf kill than the others, it was mine, but no, I'm not actually suspicious of other folks for that kill, the peruvian is suspicious for his own crap. | ||
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Also, as far as winning goes, I need the other faction dead. I need endgame. And I need to have 3-5 people recruited. Any less and our fire isn't strong enough. Any more and our fire is burning too hot. So I don't need to add people every night, but I gots to be allowed to get at least one more recruit in, then can go scumhunting with the recruit OR just scumhunt with text. | ||
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On May 26 2014 01:22 marvellosity wrote: OF COURSE. YOU FIENDISH FIENDand you were really having a go at me for killing the smurf hydra? tut tut austin. On May 26 2014 01:24 Valenius wrote: Does it mention if the random 1kp fires if you fail to recruit a scum? If I USE a fire djinn, the KP happens. So as long as I send in a recruit action, there's a KP action. I'ts not an equal and opposite thing, but essentially, if I send a fire djinn to recruit someone, someone gets burnt. Also, fire bros are immune from that burning. Keeps me from getting LOL RNGed on N1 when I try to recruit. | ||
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austinmcc (8): Holyflare, kushm4sta, That Elderly Heterosexual Peruvian, Blazinghand, Cephiro, geript, ritoky, layabout, Yell0w And then kita, bluey, onceking, erandorr HF town. Kush is being an idiot and I don't want to be wrong about him and if he's actually town then maybe I'm right about Foolishness too. So it's a bit biased, but i THINK town. peruvian basically non-responded to HF's claim and all this stuff. Not good. peruvian can be lazy all he wants but SHIT THAT IS INTERESTING IS HAPPENING. I can understand him being lazy, although it also sorta smells like not wanting to make a target of himself early when lots of KP is in play, but.........he should be getting interested in stuff. Reads kinda ... too safe? Drop out, see what happens with the claim and the responses and whatnot. BH is likely town but also a liar On May 25 2014 17:10 Blazinghand wrote: Survey says..............this is false.holyflare claimed a guilty result on austinmcc Ceph comes out of the woodwork after like a 4 day absence. Says he's trying to skim, gives no thoughts, votes me. Wish nobody had said anything so that we could see what he did later. Here's the thing, I think cephiro is TOWN, or less likely, a ONE-PERSON FACTION. Everyone and their mother is returning to thread to vote me. Ceph returns to thread and ASKS TO BE READ INTO WHAT'S GOING ON. That means it's UNLIKELY he has a QT, because every scum QT says "Oi gents, care for a spot of tea? We're in tip top shape on the nonce, for we can all take the piss out of the thread wot wot and vote austinmcc, saying he's a right cad." ***HEY DON'T FORGET THIS IF I DIE GO LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. WHY DOES MAFIA ASK FOR A TARGET NOW, MAFIA IS SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR RIGHT NOW AND WILL BE OVER-QUICK TO VOTE ME*** geript shouldn't be voting me. If nothing else, he should be trying to save me and secretly hoping I'll recruit him into the ABBA goodness. I DO like that he immediately thought of that, why wasn't he recruited, but it's not an alignment-indicative thing. Don't like the entirely unexplained vote though, but again, similar to cephiro, mafia is smiling their asses off, and i think will....be too quick to explain a little, to say why they're voting, and wont' just drop a ninja vote. ritoky i liked the posts of and i'm getting lazy because there are too many voters on me to do what I wanted to do and really look for scum votes/town votes. Because he's townie imo, I'll just call his vote a town vote. layabout ignores the check for a while, and instead is focused on other people, and also talks with xatalos a tiny bit about what's going on. I like that. Townvotepile. On May 25 2014 21:41 Yell0w wrote: Asks no question. Interacts none. Poof I'm here, I'll say something about austinmcc, go away again. i THINK yellow is town, but his VOTE is scummy. This is sorta what I'm looking for in terms of scummy votes, right? People who appear out of nowhere, have NO thoughts on the thread but that I need lynching, and then poof. Of minor note is his concern that I RECRUIT. He doesn't say I'm lolmafia, or that I have to die because I have a redcheck or anything, he's concerned about something that probably should be concerning. That's a minor +Yup, so I'm just going to agree we have to lynch him because he can recruit people in his faction. ##vote: austinmcc watch kita closely. He knows I'm not an idiot. But he claims both that "leaving a claimed recruiter alive is a no-no" AND that I'm fakeclaiming recruiter. If I were trying to fakeclaim, I wouldn't fakeclaim something that, in Kita's mind, gets you KILLED FOREVER ALWAYS. He essentially thinks I'm claiming something super dangerous, when every friggin scum that gets caught and claims 3P always goes for survivor or something innocent. They don't say they MIGHT be taking your wives and children (or husbands), and they don't say they, ummmm, rando KP sometimes. Mafia don't fakeclaim things that town still want to lynch ---> it's not a fakeclaim. Kita not thinking it through enough. (Filter also kinda worryingly tiny) Bluey's vote is lazy. I believe HF's claim ---> lynch austinmcc. Says NOTHING about whether he believes me. Says nothing about why I should be the lynch. Again, this ain't a red check. It's a not-town check. Cuz I'm not-town, but also BLUE. THE FIRE IS BLUE. BLUEY I AM YOUR COLOR. THIS SHOULD MATTER TO YOU? UNVOTE ME! OnceKing is, I THINK, the only person who voted me and kept talking about other people. Muy bueno. Discussion shouldn't stop just because of the check, and he's the only person I saw that was down to vote me BUT STILL TRY AND DO OTHER STUFF. Huzzah. I don't love Erandorr's vote. His is one of the more...wishy washyish? Why would scumaustin give that info --> look at how scum votes are flocking to austin (with no specifics) ---> we still need to kill austin ---> it would be funny to leave him alive. I AGREE that scum votes are gonna pop up on me. But it's a good idea to find em rather than just mentioning it. Everyone in this game can look at the votes on me right now, be super sure there's SOME scum there, and see what votes look wonky. | ||
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On May 26 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: Let's just say that D1 there was a QT full of all caps rantings and someone talking to himself. (just 1)how many ppl did your faction start with? 1? | ||
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Would also suggest that SOMEONE look into who has played with me in recent games where I was mafia. I have been...not a good mafia lately, had the turbolurk setting to maximum. SOMEONE should have brought this up, imo, and it should be a slight negative against anyone in those games. If they're voting me AND know that I've been cray cray lurky as scum recently, they probably should have expressed some minor misgivings. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:02 kitaman27 wrote: No thanks. I need to reach endgame, or at least get 3-5 people to endgame so I need to reach...after now.You need to reach endgame right? So you would do anything to live I would assume? Claim your recruit. Thanks  But I can't win so long as another faction is around. If they have to eliminate MY faction, I don't want to give them a happy list and let them tick off a victory condition. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:02 BlueyD wrote: Yes. It can hit anyone, will do 1 KP to people who aren't fire djinn/me.Can the random kp land on scum? | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:05 Xatalos wrote: Maaaan. I'd love to be coy about this and keep other factions guessing, but just me. You'll know, because there won't ever be fire KP again.austin: Can you only convert yourself or can any of your converts recruit too? ALSO BY THE WAY, THERE WON'T BE FIRE KP EVER AGAIN IF I DIE. BOY, YOU SAY. THAT SURE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A MAFIA FACTION. MAFIA FACTIONS NORMALLY GET, LIKE, KP AND STUFF, RIGHT? WHY YES, YES THEY DO. THEY GET KP AND THEY USE IT TO KILL PEOPLE. IT SURE WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IF A MAFIA FACTION HAD NO FACTIONAL KP, OR IF ONE GUY HAS THEIR KP AND HE DIES AND THEN THERE IS NONE. THAT DOESN'T APPEAR SENSIBLE AT ALL. Not answering the faction that I need to die. Again, language is kinda important. There's no red/guilty check on me, there's a not-town check. I don't have to kill them off, because I don't have targeted KP. I need them to GET killed. See: me scumhunting, because I need to get rid of some faction but I can't do it through NKs. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:13 kitaman27 wrote: I thought about it.Even despite your spade taunting, I tried to help you! At least I owe you a thanks for not trying to get even for Dr Who  Seriously though. You think I'm fakeclaiming? If not, why am I giving out real info and why the heck is my role set this way if I'm mafia? | ||
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Also, tell me why Foolishness is mafia, and maybe look at jampidampi? | ||
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Mtam, the guy you wanted to lynch yesterday. etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:33 jampidampi wrote: Ye Olde Game = the game.Not much to say about mtam, he has only posted once since I last addressed him and the post is not that good. Still a good lynch, but not better than a claimed nontown. Don't understand what you are referring to in the first part, could you say it somehow differently? Like, you have been gone for most of D2, a ton of discussion happened, a ton of people were brought up as scummy, cases were made, cases were +1ed, cases were pooh poohed, there was romance and intrigue and heartbreak and then HF ruined it all by doing this. But all that stuff DID happen. And it's part of the thread and the game. And you just talked about why you think your 180 on MZ makes sense and why you want to lynch me and then there was no more forward momentum. If nothing else, talk about Hapa! | ||
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KP Things that mafia teams don't get to kill people at night: 0 KP That seems like the wrong reaction, that lynching someone who says the KP is gone once he's dead is good. The KP being gone is a pretty strong indication that I'm NOT mafia, and when there isn't any, everyone who is town should go "Oh wow, that sure doesn't make any sense for a mafia faction to HAVE kp, but not have targetable factional KP", and then they should lynch everyone who doesn't say those exact words. Seriously. There was fire KP, so you know KP exists. The fire KP will be gone, so you know it was attached to me. If I was mafia, the KP wouldn't disappear, mafia teams have factional KP. If you think I'm just a scummy recruiter, then you'd have to believe that I'm mafia, HAVE KP, ALSO RECRUIT, AND that the KP was tied to me, and not a faction. None of that makes sense. Come the daypost, there won't be fire KP and everyone should understand that I wasn't a meany face and should be looking back through what I've said. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:45 Xatalos wrote: I can neither confirm nor deny things.austin is also clearly pro-town in the way he's sharing information and driving discussion. He'd also probably continue to share useful information. I'd 100% rather lynch the Mercury faction (according to kita earlier, Mercury is the faction that is hostile towards Mars). austin, do you have any idea about the remaining player(s) in Mercury? As far as people who are in mercury, Koshi didn't do boatloads, but out of people who are questionable AND in any way whatsoever connectable to Koshi, jampidampi is the person that fits the bill. Koshi mostly just dicked around, but there are a COUPLE inferences that can be drawn. Would be easier with other people to draw connections from. | ||
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##vote: thrawn2112 jampi dropped his MZ stuff, we'll see what else shakes out of him. Thrawn drops nothing but the testicles of the adolescent boys of the foul and odious swamp trolls, who I've decided are now a part of Golden Sun lore. (SORRY EVERYONE BUT I DID A BUNCH OF NORMAL STUFF AND SCUMHUNTING AND ACTUAL TALK AND NOW I'M GOING TO BE GETTING A LITTLE LOOPY AND SOME POSTS WILL HAVE SOME NONSENSE). | ||
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the elderly heterosexual peruvian man is a liar, for it is late in his part of the land, and he should not be drinking coffee. | ||
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/jelly I usually have to cut off around 4-5, if I've been drinking a normal amount that day. | ||
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How are you feeling about this and why is it like you're lynching someone you shouldn't be? | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:03 marvellosity wrote: HELLO POT, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS OTHER KETTLE.why on earth would we not kill austin? he singlehandedly can take out 2 townies per night. Indeed that's what he did last night. He's as dangerous as all the other factions put together probably. Plus after he talked about how amusing he finds the thought of lynching me, he obviously has to swing. Maybe you don't think about it every game, but you're pretty amused at the thought of lynching me right now. | ||
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Again, based on the game it's similar to pokemans and I'm the fire gym leader or something. I choose a fire pokemans to send out, and it just burns roles off mafia, not converts, but I still my other pokemans cuz I'd be a shitty gum leader with just one pokemans. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:19 Valenius wrote: Enough that running out would mean this game gets EXTREMELY wacky and goes forever.Austin, are you willing to reveal how many pokemon you have? | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:21 Xatalos wrote: WellWhat do you think would happen if we both visited each other, austin? I recruit. Permanently. I don't think you can unrecruit (see stuff about QTs). Therefore, you're either lying about something OR you're involved in something else As far as I know, if you're town I would recruit you, you'd lose your powers but gain better ones, you'd become cooler, you'd get to hang out in a cool QT, be nice and warm, etc. etc. Notice how all those are positive. If you're mafia, I would burn all yo powers off, because my powers are awesome and I've decided they're better than whatever scum powers you would have. Which is to say I don't think I become a vanilla me. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:25 jampidampi wrote: ?So you're not interested in claiming what powers you give to people in an effort to survive? #1 - i'm the MASSIVE vote leader right now with a bunch of people who dipped in, voted, ran off. #2 - what powers I give someone shouldn't convince ANYONE to not lynch me. Either they believe me or no already. #3 - he didn't ask what powers I give out Safe to say they're awesome, the best, tip top. ABBA doesn't grant no shitty powers. If there's another recruiting group, they're the Shamwow guy, Vince. They recruit you and you get a FREE extra shamwow and mini shamwow or whatever. Great, nice, lovely. Good for you. But me and ABBA? We're the Billy Mays of recruiters. We don't just give you an extra shamwow. You want double your order? Done. Triple? Done. This complimentary carrying case for stuff? DONE. For the low low payment of your powers plus shipping and handling, we give you all sorts of awesome powers that make your stuff smell nice and fix your clothes and bond things to other things or whatever. None of that is crumb-y or anything, just fun. For the most part it's pretty normal stuff. If you had to guess 5 things that someone might get as a power, you probably get 3 or so right. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:29 Xatalos wrote: It makes me think you're town and that you shouldn't have revealed this Well, the wording is about this: "You can remove an attached Djinn and restore it to your control." Does that help? I have some thoughts but I don't want to reveal them because I don't think it would be helpful. On May 26 2014 03:29 BlueyD wrote: Yes. Each djinn is a specific power, I choose what to try and assign to someone. As far as what power? I dunno, how 'bout the power of flight? That do anything for ya? That's levitation, homes.Austin do you know what powers you can give people in advance? What power does your 1st recruit have? | ||
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Please share those thoughts. If you do, I'll do everything in my power to save you. It makes me think that other factions use a recruitment system or just have powers assigned to their faction normally by djinn (i.e., instead of me putting a djinn on someone and trying to recruit, they begin the game as like Billy and his Something Djinn and Steve and his Other Something djinn), because it doesn't make sense for their to be a role that would be aimed at yoinking my stuff if you're town, and mafia wouldn't get a role like that I don't think UNLESS town power roles are done via djinn as well. You can't un-faction people, so it would appear that you would function more like a ... some games have an invoker or a something else, depending on theme. You get access to a berjillion things and can do one each night. It sounds more like you could start trying to suck powers, and as the game goes use any of those powers on a given night (you get the DJINN, the spell or the power or whatever). Which, imo, means that you're a little more likely town than before and also would put a big target on your back, because it makes you a bit of a wild card in that (1) you can maybe steal scum powers and (2) you can do all sorts of crap possibly. Which would mean that you're likely to get got if I spell that out. Which is why I didn't want to say it. | ||
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My reads are all in thread and are all honest. I think I hurried my look at voters, also worth looking at NOT voters I guess. Maybe it doesn't mean much and you just look for the funkiest votes? Because mafia, again, is smiling ear to ear and just doesn't care and knows that someone from another faction is getting got. They can vote wherever for whatever reason. Anyway...boo at everyone voting me. Boo at people not voting me but disappearing too. Superboo at thrawn. Superboo at the meatman. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:53 Steveling wrote: Already said this.Austin can you write your guess about what happens if 2 sensei djinnis target each other? I don't know if other factions recruit, but in the HYPOTHETICAL situation where 2 people try to recruit the same broseph, they cancel. I ASSUME that works the same if another faction is doing something ELSE with djinn, but I don't know. My faction, at least, is about as in the dark as everyone else. I just happen to be a little more awesome. | ||
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Anyway, mars faction best faction, ABBA best faction mascot. Maybe I'll see you guys later. | ||
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If anyone would like to speak on behalf of thrawn, they ought to do so now. Otherwise, assuming I have the power to kill off someone who's voting me when I get lynched, I will take him with me (or the peruvian for fun). Assuming I don't have that power, I won't. But seriously, you guys should be lynching a not-me. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:17 Steveling wrote: being truthful, not being around when people dropped votes and ran off immediately, not voting and pushing a single person HARD earlier in the day in order to have had someone that I was being voted for AGAINST.What was your biggest mistake in the game austin? As it stands, we had a muck of possibilities, then this check, so all the votes flock to me and there's very little...accountability. It's not like people are pulling off a particular subject or two. If we'd had a small set of possible lynches with lots of votes, the votes on me MIGHT be more interesting. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:19 Holyflare wrote: I mean, I can kind of understand, but again. Watch the flip, and watch for fire KP overnight. Don't think we can afford to leave you alive in case you're lying about random kp/hiding info/have awesome anti town stuff that you won't reveal. It also stops your faction recruiting which is a + If you can kill someone in lynch kill thrawn though but i doubt you can on top of everything else. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:32 OnceKing wrote: HF, quite probably BH, quite probably Xatalos after this. Probably slam, based on his response to the fake shot last night.who's in the third that's townier than you? Maybe 1/3 was an overstatement. | ||
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But i had a FUN role and I wanted to make it work and you've crushed my dreams. | ||
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Because my faction is an element, and golden sun has 4 element thingies, and it APPEARS from the flips last night that there are 4 elements, it would make perfectly perfect von perfect sense that each element is a faction. Which means that dudes who ain't elements are unlikely to be a faction. And are therefore town. I think that is SLIGHTLY game-breaking-ish, so I could see a couple named dudes being factional, already having djinn, or being STRONGLY associated with a particular element or something? But overall, the claim makes it kinda likely he's town. | ||
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I WANTED TO BUT I NEEDED TO MAKE SURE I ACTUALLY GOT BUDDIES. | ||
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Go kill some mercury hoes. | ||
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Maybe not, but...I'm not sold on him being town peruvian at all and he's VERY hands off. | ||
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SHIAOPI I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A 4 RECRUITER SETUP IS SUPER DUPER BALANCEABLE ANYWAY, YOU JUST GOTTA HOPE WE KILL EACH OTHER AND MAYBE WE DO SO WHO KNOWS. BUT IT WAS FUN EVEN THOUGH I GOT KILLED EARLY AND SPENT HALF MY TIME PLAYING THE GAME, HALF MY TIME ASKING YOU EVERY QUESTION IMAGINABLE I FULLY AGREE WITH THIS On May 27 2014 05:25 Cavalinho wrote: You should just host a second one starting right now to make up for it. Idk. ALSO KUSH YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIVE ME THEN WE RECRUIT SOMEONE ELSE AS REVIVER AND I DIE AGAIN AND THEY REVIVE ME AGAIN AND I FILL THE THREAD WITH NONSENSE ABOUT HOW I CAN'T BE KILLED BY STUFF AND AM ACTUALLY 3RD PARTY AND WHEN KILLED I JUST TURN INTO ASHES AND COME BACK OR SOMETHING Y U NO REZ MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE On May 27 2014 05:29 marvellosity wrote: To be fair, I was going to come back to life.HF was pretty suspect after he revealed his check on austin, because austin was such a weird check i didn't much care though, because i got to kill austin | ||
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And HF, this here's 'murica. In 'murica, ABBA recruits you. I dunno what kind of Soviet mafia you think you're playing where you can just go around recruiting me and my love for ABBA all willy-nilly. | ||
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I was so excited to get revived in a game though that I figured I'd just try to spam stuff and avoid lynch, and then just keep getting revived. | ||
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