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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:06 marvellosity wrote: well i don't think bunnies was a very likely night target for anything, so i guess that probably rules that one out so do you have more of a power role or scum read on her then? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
##Vote Yell0w I really can't justify his play anymore from a town perspective. I thought it was *possible* that he believed for whatever reason that an RNG lynch was actually a better choice than lynching a scumread, but this posts shoots it to hell: On May 24 2014 23:13 Yell0w wrote: So first of all I'd like to say that I don't think we should lynch tamburini anymore, I remember him saying that he hated being vanilla townie, which I think is what's happening this game, he just doesn't care much about the game because he doesn't like his role. Anyways, that's the feeling I got from reading the thread, maybe I should reread to make sure. And about kush, I didn't think the case against him was that great, it's just a meta case, and while it's not necessarily a bad case either, I found it really weird that so many people jumped on him so fast after the case. Personally, if someone is trying to make me believe someone else is mafia, I at least read the other person's filter and try to make my own opinion before agreeing, which some of them clearly didn't do. I'm not saying they're mafia here, I'm just saying they should be better town and not all sheep someone they don't even know the alignment of. I thought the case against BlueyD was more convincing, especially since he is one of the person who just sheeped foolishness' case without adding anything. It does seem like he read the filter, but I think that's exactly what a mafia would do to make it look like he's scumhunting. That was the case against him by kita, he's just looking for a person to vote for, not actually scumhunting, and that's what he did here, again. Also I think jampidampi seems scummy, but I'm gonna wait for him to follow up on his intentions to push a tamburini lynch today. If he doesn't want to lynch tambo any more, that implies that he *wanted* to lynch him at some point in the past (which has to be Day 1, given that he didn't post anything during Night 1)! But he was voting Odin for RNG on Day 1! Pretty simply, the guy has scumreads, wants to lynch them, and is not voting for them. That does not compute from a town perspective at all. I've been trying to look at his behavior from any perspective I could that could justify it as town behavior, but I cannot figure anything out. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I don't have time to read your entire case on me in detail, but I skimmed it briefly and it seems to be pretty similar to the one that Austin made on me Night 1. I spent quite a bit of time/sanity replying to that, so just read my replies. Even I had the time to defend myself, I'm not keen on repeating everything I've said last night, and I have no intention of wasting my time and effort like that again. Also, please read my cases and tell me if you agree/disagree with them, because blanketing all my analysis as "going after low-postcount people" is a horseshit generalization of my posts. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Kushm4sta Foolishness's case aligns with my own Night 1 thoughts, so I'm sympathetic here. However I do believe there's a chance (however small) that Kush can do what he's doing as town. I'd vote him if it were not for Yell0w's behavior. BlueyD Not altogether convinced about him. Kita's case is reasonable, but BlueyD's response (of simply being afk to RL reasons, and not being able to post ample justifications) is plausible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=174#3478 One can view it as convenient, but it is definitely plausible, and I'm fairly sympathetic towards it given that I was in a very similar situation on Day 1. MysteryMeat1 Dear god why is this a wagon? The guy who posts literally nothing is rarely mafia. The fact that he hasn't even attempted to try and blend in this game makes it fairly unlikely he flips mafia IMO. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: MysteryMeat1 Dear god why is this a wagon? The guy who posts literally nothing is rarely mafia. The fact that he hasn't even attempted to try and blend in this game makes it fairly unlikely he flips mafia IMO. why you no read  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:09 ritoky wrote: so do you have more of a power role or scum read on her then? I don't have either particular read, I just can't see why any faction would visit bunnies. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 25 2014 03:57 austinmcc wrote: ... Hapa do you think yellow's filter, on the WHOLE is scummy? I'm fairly unpersuaded by the rest of Yell0w's filter. Sure there are bits and pieces of it that I can agree with and "nod my head" with, but that says very little about his alignment. Until someone can give me any plausible town explanation for his votes (see my post above), there's no way this guy is town. Like seriously - someone walk me through how his vote makes any sense. The guy's only clear scumread is on tambo, he admitted to wanting to lynch tambo, and did not vote tambo. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You want to make him post. Cool. I mean you're not going to get an afk guy who's not reading the thread to post if he's not around to read your votes. He's not a guy you waste time talking about - if you think he has a chance of flipping mafia, he's a guy you request to be shot, and then move on with your life. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote: I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini. On May 22 2014 22:03 Yell0w wrote: Well the first post you quoted was after only Hapa made the case that tamburini's big post was scummy, which obviously blueyD thought was a weak case, then foolishness made a case, Hapa posted more about it and blueyD said: Do these two posts seem mafia indicative to you hapa? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:33 marvellosity wrote: I don't have either particular read, I just can't see why any faction would visit bunnies. Well, let's just say we are in a hypothetical world where there is 0% chance she was a target of anything last night. Gun to your head you have to say power role or scum. Which do you say? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:35 Hapahauli wrote: You want to make him post. Cool. I mean you're not going to get an afk guy who's not reading the thread to post if he's not around to read your votes. He's not a guy you waste time talking about - if you think he has a chance of flipping mafia, he's a guy you request to be shot, and then move on with your life. The other possibility is that he's vaguely reading the thread and finds that somehow he never has any votes on him despite doing nothing. That was the scenario I was going after... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:36 ritoky wrote: Well, let's just say we are in a hypothetical world where there is 0% chance she was a target of anything last night. Gun to your head you have to say power role or scum. Which do you say? power role | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:16 Hapahauli wrote: @ ritoky I don't have time to read your entire case on me in detail, but I skimmed it briefly and it seems to be pretty similar to the one that Austin made on me Night 1. I spent quite a bit of time/sanity replying to that, so just read my replies. Even I had the time to defend myself, I'm not keen on repeating everything I've said last night, and I have no intention of wasting my time and effort like that again. Also, please read my cases and tell me if you agree/disagree with them, because blanketing all my analysis as "going after low-postcount people" is a horseshit generalization of my posts. I think my case about your uneven criticism/hyprocrisy is fairly unrebutted. I also think your tambo read and its progression is very weird and unrebutted. Also, again you criticize yell0w for wanting to lynch people but not voting/pushing on them. You kinda did that with me...so that just kinda furthers that. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Do these two posts seem mafia indicative to you hapa? They're both null. All he's doing is defending BlueyD, which literally any alignment can do. So Kita, can you explain his Day 1 play from a town perspective? Can you explain how his only scumread is on tambo, he admitted to wanting to lynch him, and that his vote was on Odin in pure RNG? There was never an "oops I afk'd", or "oops I forgot to vote" or anything. It makes no fucking sense, and everyone's content to ignore it for some reason, in favor of thinking that a bunch of non-allignment indiactive posts in his filter somehow make him a townie. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:39 ritoky wrote: I think my case about your uneven criticism/hyprocrisy is fairly unrebutted. I also think your tambo read and its progression is very weird and unrebutted. Haven't read that, but I suspect a good portion of that read can be explained by the fact that I don't give a shit about pushing any scumread other than yell0w right now. Also, again you criticize yell0w for wanting to lynch people but not voting/pushing on them. You kinda did that with me...so that just kinda furthers that. Errr no? My case on yell0w is completely different. I'm not voting you because I have far bigger scumreads than you. Compared to yell0w, I don't give a flying fuck about lynching you. My top scumread is yell0w and I want him dead. The difference with yell0w is that...
Like if you think for two seconds, you can understand why those two scenarios are completely different. I will not defend myself until you can provide me an explanation of how yell0w does this as town. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:43 marvellosity wrote: Hapa, would your interpretation change if the red section said " I don't think we should be lynching tamburini today" Of course. But this is an entirely irrelevant question because he did not type that and instead typed something far more incriminating. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 12:48 Hapahauli wrote: Of course. But this is an entirely irrelevant question because he did not type that and instead typed something far more incriminating. actually i think it could have been just bad wording, but like i said the rest of the paragraph indicates that's exactly what he meant | ||
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