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On May 26 2014 02:06 BlueyD wrote: What's the faction you need to kill off? There's no way he's answering that based on his previous response to giving his recruit.. | ||
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On May 26 2014 02:30 BlueyD wrote: Are there even scum factions in this game? I see 3 elemental KPs and one 3P death from the other element. That's 4 factions. And now Austin claims to be 3P as well from one of the elements. What if they're all 3P? Could that even happen? "4 djinni factions fighting each other, town get caught in the crossfire" ? | ||
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Kush - His more recent contributions have been 'lynch him' 'do u people not get it lol. scum are scumhunting' and 'cool now everybody is going to pop into the thread and write two paragraphs saying austin should be lynched'. If none of us had popped in, gave our thoughts on the situation and pressured the case (one way or another), then we wouldn't have gotten as much info out of this as we have. He's also been pretty adamant that scumhunting is useless, so unless he has a better idea of how we can find scum (apart from [presumably] 1 cop check a night) then i'd love to hear it. Otherwise, a better candidate for me than austin. OnceKing - Seems to be up to date with the thread, and is still pushing pretty easy targets for shit reasons. + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2014 00:48 OnceKing wrote: k voting austin sorry i haven't been around, last two days have been pretty hectic for me other people who have dropped off the face of the earth: tambo, valenius, thrawn off the top of my head i mean yeah tambo and valenius have posted recently but that doesn't change the fact that they're still just trying to just get by now uncertain on ritoky. the defense "feels" genuine but i can't really put my finger on why; looking at his big post it's pretty much just commentary and i don't really agree with his reads lmao. i dislike the defense of yell0w and hapa's standpoint makes sense to me. if you've got an actual strong scumread there's no purpose to go with rng over a read. so after today's lynch, ok with lynching: - tambo - valenius - thrawn - yell0w This looks like it was thrown together in 2 minutes, and 3/4 of his accepted lynches are people who've been quieter. That brings me onto another point actually; At no point in the game has he said 'Yeah, i dont think we should lynch valenius'. I've been in his sights since he started, and I've felt pretty much 0 pressure from him on it. I've had one decent scumread previously on hapa, which I made a case on and tried to push, which austin then took up and got hapa to talk. See here for mentions of me: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2014 04:25 OnceKing wrote: Actually I'm super curious Valenius do you have any scum reads, everything you have in the spoilers seems to be "i don't understand what you're saying" or "town" On May 22 2014 05:07 OnceKing wrote: Still catching up. Right now I'm ok with a valenius or layabout lynch, gotta read through tambo filter cause someone on the last page said they wouldn't mind splitting the vote between tambo and layabout On May 22 2014 14:04 OnceKing wrote: back still happy with a layabout lynch in the two games i've had with cav his existence as town has been as an angry mole so i'm comfy with calling him town tambo's sketchy, valenius still hasn't responded to my question or to this thread at all beyond talking about setup speculation. valenius do you have any non-null or non-wussy reads On May 22 2014 14:22 OnceKing wrote: ANYWAY thats pretty pointless to talk about now unless you're complaining about the fact that i think you're town right now what do you make of valenius cav On May 22 2014 14:39 OnceKing wrote: setup speculation talks about stuff and people without drawing inference towards alignment all speak to "contributing" but not actually doing so so yeah layabout's #1 and valenius is #2 On May 22 2014 14:40 OnceKing wrote: cav what makes you think valenius is playing a scummy town rather than just being scum On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote: also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm or valenius On May 23 2014 02:28 OnceKing wrote: gr8 so do you wanna lynch valenius or no kita On May 23 2014 02:39 OnceKing wrote: because it means that some people are suspicious or at least pretending to be suspicious of him, over other wagons like tambo and valenius so what makes him a more suspicious fella worth suspecting over anyone else? On May 23 2014 03:15 OnceKing wrote: i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote: alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now ##unvote ##VOTE: OdinofPergo On May 23 2014 04:39 OnceKing wrote: i already had been making my points on valenius cavalinho doesn't think valenius is scum and he states why a bit after that it's entirely possible valenius is just a slow starter so... benefit of the doubt i just thought bh's case was better On May 23 2014 04:45 OnceKing wrote: what who is "he" if he is me then yea... so what. i still think valenius is scum but i accept that he might be a slow starter and think the case on odin is better if he is cav then... idk what you're writing LOL On May 23 2014 05:40 OnceKing wrote: small wagons: valenius (2) - kita, sqrt yell0w (1) - poof bunnies (1) - cephiro hf (1) - wos layabout (1) - ritoky poof (1) - tambo tambo literally had a pointless throwaway vote, i'd be glad to see him die kita wanted a lynch on blueyd but his vote is on valenius (?). didn't say much about odin, explain this? sqrt brushed aside the case on odin saying that he thought odin was vt, didn't say much otherwise. poof, cephiro, wos, ritoky afk (though wave and ritoky said they were gonna sleep so i don't draw much adverse inference from that) pedit: saw sqrt's list of late switchers kush changed before bh's case xatalos thru hf changed after bh's case hapa changed after making this post even though valenius didn't really post anything worthwhile everyone else basically sheeped BH's case (i mean it was good) post flip definitely dislike tambo more as well as one of valenius/hapa (moreso valenius atm) and afk people (poof, cephiro) dont know how i feel about kita or any of the people who sheeped gonna head out for a bit when i get back i'll be rereading On May 23 2014 10:45 OnceKing wrote: Outliers tambo + Show Spoiler + do we still need to talk about this guy oh his thing on how to do a vote analysis in this game draws no conclusions, then when he's pressed for conclusions based off of his observations/what he says we should do he writes a twisted spiel that doesn't do what's asked of it. Basically that post says "im town, people who unvoted me are town, im not being very clear". None of that says anything specific or helpful, and it seems like he's just trying to cover up a lack of contribution with a lot of words. scum ritoky + Show Spoiler + mostly uncomfortable with the fact that the last known tambo sighting in his filter was "getting a lot worse in my mind" and then he dropped the subject like a hot potato on toppa that his later final suspect list was between WoS and layabout, and his reasoning for either is either sketchy or not specific this is the post: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout he wants to lynch WoS cause he thinks WoS is wrong. since when is someone scum just for disagreeing with you? he wants to lynch layabout because he's "shit filling". ok... shit filling how? is it by only posting +1s and jokes? is it by not giving reads? he doesn't say any of that or specify how layabout's posting is shitty, he just calls it shit filling cause other people already said he was shitting up the thread and hoped he wouldn't have to explain it. probably scum WoS + Show Spoiler + it's all basically meta... i don't know enough to say whether this is good or not i dislike such heavy use of meta but it's a pretty legit scumhunting tool, i really just wanna defer to opinions of others on his prior posting. we'll see how the replacement does. his feelings on ritoky are the same as mine but that doesn't really mean much. null cephiro + Show Spoiler + townish atm just by looking at his filter. i think he's writing stuff that makes sense though i don't necessarily agree with his conclusion on bunnies. i need to read the back and forth more carefully so the jury's still out on how i feel about both him and bunnies poof + Show Spoiler + lots of discussion about RNG with BH, then this reaction to being called a newbie feels legit i like him for town, he's pushing discussion and his reads and he also addressed cephiro's case on bunnies with the same argument that i had reading through it the first time (i townread people all the time for thinking what i'm thinking as town). kita, i know you said marv allayed your initial suspicions of him but i'd like you to tell me why you didn't like him to begin with in more detail kita + Show Spoiler + decent amount of posting, no real positions taken. he suspected poof for committing the unholy trinity or whatever but in the very same post said that he's not convinced poof is mafia (despite the fact that he committed the unholy trinity??). he's just super soft on everyone -- doesn't wanna lynch jampi, says a bit about HF but doesn't wanna lynch him, no hard position on tambo, so on so forth actually the more i think about this the more unhappy i am with him, he dodged a question also about the counterwagons for tambo by posting stuff about characters from Golden Sun, kinda-not-really pushes BlueyD... i'd like everyone to take a closer look at him. probably scum sqrt + Show Spoiler + posts a whole lot of lists and one liners, from what i recall this is pretty much what sqrt has done as town in most of his games. would like for him to go more in-depth on stuff though null to town other stuff BlueyD are you kidding me? you don't do anything then come back after the lynch to bitch at us without even reading the thread and immediately peace out again Valenius still think he's mafia until he does something to convince me otherwise (spoilers: he hasn't) On May 24 2014 08:48 OnceKing wrote: caught up now cool with lynching: - tambo - valenius - kush - ritoky i needa read through thrawn's stuff though looks like a lotta people don't like 'im On May 26 2014 00:48 OnceKing wrote: k voting austin sorry i haven't been around, last two days have been pretty hectic for me other people who have dropped off the face of the earth: tambo, valenius, thrawn off the top of my head i mean yeah tambo and valenius have posted recently but that doesn't change the fact that they're still just trying to just get by now uncertain on ritoky. the defense "feels" genuine but i can't really put my finger on why; looking at his big post it's pretty much just commentary and i don't really agree with his reads lmao. i dislike the defense of yell0w and hapa's standpoint makes sense to me. if you've got an actual strong scumread there's no purpose to go with rng over a read. so after today's lynch, ok with lynching: - tambo - valenius - thrawn - yell0w That's 14 posts where he's said he think i'm scum, and 2 where he's using someone elses townread of me. If you've got that much of a read on someone that you're willing to mention them 14 times as being a lynch candidate, you'd surely put some sort of pressure on them.. right? I feel like he's an annoying fly buzzing somewhere behind the curtain, not flying around my head. I hate to bring out the meta read, based on how different i've been trying to play, but; In previous town game he was leading town and preparing excellent cases on players. This feels more like his mafia game where he was more lurky. This feels like he's just sinking into the furniture. I will cut him some slack being a replacement, and how much of a step up from a 50 page game to 200+ pages day 2 (i've struggled with that), but not enough to form anything but a scumread on him. All of his votes have had little to no reasoning behind them either: On May 24 2014 08:48 OnceKing wrote: ebwop totally hopping on dat kush wagon On May 24 2014 05:06 OnceKing wrote: i'm gonna head out for a bit to go climb in the meantime i feel pretty safe just plopping down my vote on tambo On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote: alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now ##unvote ##VOTE: OdinofPergo That's my read for today: ##Vote: OnceKing | ||
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On May 26 2014 01:48 Valenius wrote: Whether you choose to believe it or not; I have not been converted. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:08 OnceKing wrote: also i think it's hilarious that i'm your "read of the day" valenius "woo i submitted my homework, one person i think is scum. alright my obligation is done now c u tomorrow" Do I get at least a B? It still doesn't change that the majority of my case "You've said names and done nothing to follow them up". Also, would you have preferred it if I hadn't of given anything on people I found scummy? The talk was clearly all on whether or not to lynch austin (People know my thoughts on this), and i could've easily blended in with the crowd on lynching him if i'd have wanted to. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:15 Xatalos wrote: 2 less townies? Can he double convert? shouldve been 2 or less possible townies. 1 random kp - town or scum or 3p hit 1 convert - covert on town, or null on scum | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:32 jampidampi wrote: Wait, if the djinni is returned to be under your control, doesn't that mean you controlled it orginally? It's either bad wording, or yes :s | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:35 BlueyD wrote: Or the djinn returns to your control, you can give its power to someone, but the affected player himself remains on team fire (or other teams) due to how weird the QT situation would otherwise be. That'd make sense if it said 'transfers' to your control, not really with returns. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:40 Steveling wrote: Not only do we keep him as an errand boy but we force the other factions to focus him. Why the fuck should town do the job of the djinnis. We are just nearing our end game that much faster. Shhh, no one cares what we think. Look at the votes. | ||
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Read the votecount on the last page. | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:05 layabout wrote: another hour? i wanted fire and shit i soo could of got recruited and got fire powers tonight, this sucks Erm, no? | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:19 Blazinghand wrote: seems accurate to me. from a balance perspective that the other factions do something different than pure recruitment, like temporary power control or temporary vote control or something. This is because, assuming that all recruits go off properly, town drop sfrom 24 players to 16 vs 12 after N1. perfect night actions basically make D1 into LYLO, or this game is balanced on scum mostly targeting each other or something. It would be pretty weird for scum to have this kind of power without inhibitions. I think we can assume this: scum factions aren't dead until we see them stop NKing, and even then maybe not cause they might be out of bullets or something. Scum might have 2 players per faction, might be able to recruit, etc, but most likely just do not have a strong, solid permanent recruitment power for game balance reasons. Or at least, not all 4 factions. It's not lylo though is it? That's if it were 16 vs 12 not 16 vs 3 v 3 v 3 v 3 | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:22 Valenius wrote: It's not lylo though is it? That's if it were 16 vs 12 not 16 vs 3 v 3 v 3 v 3 I mean, even if it gets down to between 1-3 town, aslong as there is at least 2 factions alive, town can win. | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:24 27ninjabunnies wrote: Why do you have to agree with me when im scum reading you >.> what kush said, although i dislike him and when he used: scum are scumhunting too. | ||
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was purely responding to your post, jambi hasn't been someone ive really checked yet. | ||
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