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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 04 2014 19:33 GMT
#37
/in
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 04:23 GMT
#211
hi gl
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 04:36 GMT
#212
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 04:48 GMT
#213
wow what a tough crowd...
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 04:50 GMT
#216
?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 04:51 GMT
#217
? was @ WoS
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:04 GMT
#219
the "?" is directed at this

On January 07 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Come on, thrawn.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:19 GMT
#222
honestly no
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:24 GMT
#227
On January 07 2014 14:20 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
honestly no

well what do you think of gumshoe do you agree with me?


sure
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:25 GMT
#228
ok im sorry i am super high and not willing to focus i will return when i find my focus
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:29 GMT
#230
waitt yamato your vote was serious?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:38 GMT
#232
your previous opinion was dependent on something you don't currently know? dats cooool
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 05:53 GMT
#234
I likely wont be sober then either so may as well do it now. My vote's on rayn until I come across a good reason to move it. Do I think he is scum? No. But I don't think he's town either and I'd like to think that I would if he were.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 06:25 GMT
#238
On January 07 2014 15:08 yamato77 wrote:

Still don't like that you come in the game voting him


Why? You think it's scummy?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 06:34 GMT
#243
##unvote
##vote: Waveofshadow


i agree with the points wbg brought up .....

also because of the talk WoS and I had
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 07:04 GMT
#264
On January 07 2014 15:57 mkfuba07 wrote:
I went to sleep. For countless reasons, my body was weak, and I've got my first day of classes tomorrow(/today) so I'd prefer to be strong! I was actually hoping to still be asleep right now, but my imagination keeps waking me up with stupid additions to a dream I was having. It's actually really frustrating... /rant over

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:22 Corazon wrote:
I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II.
He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks.

This post made me lean scum on cora. Not because he says Iamp is being nonsensical (I would have to jump through his filter to come to a conclusion on that), but because he compares Iamp's play in this game to another player's play in a different game. There's no relation between the two aside from the fact that Cora wants to see Iamp as scummy. Like, if his argument is true (iamp is shitflinging), then the conclusion that he is scum follows naturally. The addition of Xatalos's play in another game makes it seem like he subconsciously knows his argument is weak and needs to legitimize it.


I think you are scum because your opinion on Corazon depends on if Iamp was actually shitflinging. But earlier you said "Not because he says Iamp is being nonsensical (I would have to jump through his filter to come to a conclusion on that)"

So you're not willing to do research into something that you say makes or breaks your read.


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 07:06 GMT
#266
nvm that last post i denounce it

guys just ignore me until i say otherwise
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 07:23 GMT
#268
yeah i know, i completely misread what you were saying the first time. uh... it makes sense and stuff but I'm kinda "meh" on calling corazon scum for it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 07:38 GMT
#273
rayn I'd like any WoS comments please.

what was he trying to do just now? coach me? i was unable to find out as he wasn't interested in finishing the conversation
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 07:54 GMT
#276
##unvote

Do you have any scum reads or other interesting things you wanna talk about?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 08:03 GMT
#278
rayn if i told you i have a valid reason to believe you're scum, what do you think it is?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 08:11 GMT
#280
annnnnd now have 0 reads
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 08:59 GMT
#282
i was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 09:33 GMT
#289
On January 07 2014 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 17:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
i was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself

What was your read on me before my answer and why did it change?


You're pushing the limit of how much thought you can assume I put into my earlier posts.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 18:33 GMT
#340
On January 08 2014 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Thrawn if you're around, where exactly did your line of questioning toward me go


You didn't respond to my latest question. I still want to know the motivation behind the couple of posts directed at me.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 18:38 GMT
#342
Artanis, the scumpoints are at best distracting. It'd be fine if I knew the real time value of a scumpoint and knew how many scumpoints equals a scumread... but I don't, so that makes it difficult to determine how serious you are about your reads.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 18:48 GMT
#350
can you provide quotes

On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 18:59 GMT
#359
You're accusing him of trying to win over your favor. But one of your first posts is
On January 07 2014 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hello everyone. I'm also town.
Cheesecake, on a level of 1-100, how sexy will you be this game?

so I don't know what you mean by that accusation. No matter his alignment any sexiness he demonstrates for your benefit is likely a result of the above quote.

I don't trust scumpoints:

On January 07 2014 11:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
ohai ladies.
I town, just for a change.

Anything interesting happening?

Confirmed scum, can't be not scum due to RNG.
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:
[quote]
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :

So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!


Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.

You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.


Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)

Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.


Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.

Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!


Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD

Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!

That's why scumpoints are bad. You are assigning CC scum points for misunderstanding a post. That's too weak of an accusation for me to believe but I can't tell how serious you are when you act silly while assigning scum reads.

I just refreshed the page and saw your recent post about the point I just brought up. Obviously I don't think it's a valid point.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 07 2014 19:16 GMT
#366
So after all that, what's your current read on CC?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 02:43 GMT
#520
I would kill artanis/corazon/rayn/yamato
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 02:45 GMT
#522
##vote yamato77
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:18 GMT
#524
On January 08 2014 11:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
I would kill artanis/corazon/rayn/yamato


I take back artanis because I am undecided. Probably Corazon too.

Anyone wanna kill rayn?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:22 GMT
#527
I doubt it. There is nothing to explain.

You're probably town though so nvm.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:24 GMT
#528
On January 08 2014 12:20 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 12:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 08 2014 11:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
I would kill artanis/corazon/rayn/yamato


I take back artanis because I am undecided. Probably Corazon too.

Anyone wanna kill rayn?

why don't you want to kill yamato now?


That's where my vote is. None of the people I want to talk to are here, so I'm just lurking.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:27 GMT
#531
lol i know what he's gonna say and it's true for this game but has nothing to do with my alignment
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:30 GMT
#532
BTW Rayn at the beginning of the game when I voted you and said I'd keep my vote on you until you do something that convinces me otherwise, how you're posting now is what I was waiting for. Obviously it was good I didn't tell you this when you complained about it, which is why sometimes you need to have faith that some people only tell you what you need to know.

I'm pretty sure this relates to what you're thinking about me right now?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:46 GMT
#536
Rayn you are trying to grill me over a "thought process" I can't even remember having nor was I probably aware of it at the time. I'm completely willing to talk to you about anything I've posted since I started being srs but I can't even remember what my reads were in those first few hours

On January 08 2014 12:42 iamperfection wrote:
... i don't get it


basically I avoid answering the tough questions by refusing to converse for one reason or another.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 03:58 GMT
#541
ok I remember

>>>>rayn if i told you i have a valid reason to believe you're scum, what do you think it is?

I don't remember what my read on you was when I asked this but a scumread isn't why I asked. I "was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself." (now I know all this makes me look like a moron but that is a consequence of playing stoned) I was baiting you in the most obvious way ever. You gave the answer that doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. At that point my thought process was like "ah fuck it" and then came the "0 reads" comment. Maybe there was some exaggeration on how few reads I suddenly had but I wouldn't be able to tell you.

Actually I've already explained this to you but I think you refused to believe that I am dumb enough to type this:

"I was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself."

We should get over this ASAP because I think it's gonna make for a pretty tedious read. Either decide I'm scummy for it or drop it because the above is the best explanation I care to give.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:06 GMT
#547
On January 08 2014 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Thrawn I believe you never responded to my question of you, being why exactly you felt the need to question my call-out of your vote-bait. You still haven't explained any of it, only dodged me when I ask you despite me answering every question you've asked of me.

I am not impressed.

Rayn why should we vote thrawn over yamato?


I didn't respond because I didn't feel the need to question you further. Kinda rude I know, but I'm not dodging.

I was trying to figure out what you were doing? I couldn't tell if you thought I was scum or if you were critiquing my play. If you're just critiquing play then honestly I still don't *actually* understand your motivation for those posts (in the sense of "does this post help town?"). But I don't think only scum will give advice so it's a non issue.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:15 GMT
#556
On January 08 2014 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So did you think i - as scum - would be stupid enough to give away my alignment by being giving you an idiotic answer to a stupid question?

Like, as town, you do stuff that helps you figuring out other people's alignments. Therefore you don't ask questions that can have null-answers, or at least questions where the answer is expected to be null by default.

As scum, you want to look like you are doing that but you actually are not because you don't want to "confirm" townies to you or other townies as in the end that gives yourself away.

To me that looks like you were doing stuff that looks like you were doing stuff but that didn't have any intention behind it, which makes it far more likely to come from mafia.


I tried to be as self deprecating as possible in my response but you still need to realize what "smoking" for me means. I hate it when people list off how much they smoke and etc but I need to actually tell you for you to understand. Right now I currently have 4 strains of bud, hash, and hash oil at my disposal and I usually use some of everything. This week I've been using all of those things in multiple ways multiple times a day.

sorry for being a tool right there but rayn needs to understand
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:29 GMT
#562
corazon is back on my would-kill list
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:32 GMT
#566
Corazon why don't you think rayn or myself deserve to be looked at today? I doubt that anyone would be able to confidently rule either of us completely out of the race
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:36 GMT
#572
On January 08 2014 13:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure Corazon is mafia too.

I prefer him over Yamato.
##unvote
##vote Corazon
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 04:44 GMT
#583
On January 08 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote:
@Thrawn
I think you two have had decent contributions to the scumhunt and frankly, I see your back-and-forth b/w you and Rayn to be town on town. I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him.


Your assessment of the fight is completely off. I decided rayn was town a long time ago and only wanted to lynch him for like 5 minutes, most of it was him attacking me. When you decided to play thread cop the argument had already died down and I think both of us had at least resolved not to press the issue further.

Also I haven't really had that great of contributions yet, especially compared to the standard you held me to during BttB so I don't like that part of your post either.

"I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him"

I'm not sure who you're even addressing here or what advice you're trying to give. Sure, if rayn "scum claims" I'll lynch him... you thought lynching scum claimers is a strategy only you are privy to?
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 04:46 GMT
#585
should have read as "standard you tried to hold me to"
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 04:54 GMT
#593
On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cora I absolutely hate this 'woe is me, everyone's against me, look at people lying and twisting my words' attitude.
I've read some of the other games you've played in and you do this all the time.
Sack up and fucking play the game.

Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make.


Why did you say I had made enough quality contributions towards scumhunting to be considered so town that you don't need to worry about my alignment at all during D1?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 04:59 GMT
#599
On January 08 2014 13:56 Corazon wrote:
Because you are playing exactly like you are as town. Paranoid and changing your reads every 5 minutes.


That's not the original reason you gave for excusing me from scrutiny. You said I had made quality contributions towards scumhunting and you're being asked to explain what made you type those words.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 05:12 GMT
#605
On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato.


This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 05:16 GMT
#609
On January 08 2014 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily).


The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play.

In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 05:20 GMT
#612
@ WBG read his Back to Basics Mini filter if you want to know what's on the extreme end of the town spectrum
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 05:24 GMT
#616
On January 08 2014 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato.


This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play.

This actually may very well strike home with me a little.
Do you think Cora is playing me purposefully rather than blowing this up further? I know he has been doing his best to change his attitude outside of games, but to me this looks like exactly the kind of shit people get pissed off at him every game for.


I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you don't think he was as hostile as town Corazon would have been? But you don't know how to reconcile this judgement with how he may or may not have changed after recent drama?

If you are, then sadly that's not really a productive conversation we can have out in the open so we'll just have to decide for ourselves.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 05:31 GMT
#620
On January 08 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If i am generally not considered to be in top 2 of players in this game stating that i should be policy lynched on D3 if i am alive is a way of saying "i refuse to give my opinions on rayn and i will already set up an arbitary read on him regardless of what he does - a read that becomes "valid" at some point of the game".

that's my point here

On January 08 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily).


The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play.

In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read

I don't mind that he said based on its merit as a policy because that's not town/mafia...... it's scummy because it's a substitute for giving an actual read

maybe if he said:

"I think rayn is a little scummy, but I don't like lynching him on D1" then I might say Cor's town even if I disagreed, but as it is there's no read to go along with it.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 06:44 GMT
#655
i cant wait for the huge omgus reaction from the surprise guest
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 07:35 GMT
#662
He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon.

Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process?
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 07:59 GMT
#668
On January 08 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato and thrawn you still around?


yeah
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 09:12 GMT
#682
On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases?


The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 17:58 GMT
#800
Hi. I have work in a couple hours so I will likely be missing the deadline. Nothing that's happened since I've left has made me feel all that different about Corazon or Yamato, and I don't have any problems with them as a scum team. What yamato did upon his return does not clear him from wasting most of D1, his attack on iamp was weak and very beneath a town yamato. If town yamato actually thought iamp was scum I'd expect that case to not be so underwhelming. Corazon still needs to tell me why he automatically assumed I'm town. I'm probably going to leave my vote on Corazon but I'm down for yamato too.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#801
On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town.
##unvote


no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you
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January 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#812
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:24 GMT
#817
On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum

Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.


I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:27 GMT
#820
On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote:
Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie.


you've been ignoring the same question from multiple players for several posts

Why did you think I was so townie that I should be ignored for the D1 lynch? You said this a long time ago, right after I started playing seriously. You specifically said that I had made good contributions to the scum hunt, so you need to explain why you thought this and provide evidence.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#824
On January 09 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?

I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.


of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum

Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.


I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.

I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change.


Ok so you're wanting to policy lynch two people. Surely it's helpful to have a conversation about their alignments?
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#831
On January 09 2014 03:32 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote:
Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie.


you've been ignoring the same question from multiple players for several posts

Why did you think I was so townie that I should be ignored for the D1 lynch? You said this a long time ago, right after I started playing seriously. You specifically said that I had made good contributions to the scum hunt, so you need to explain why you thought this and provide evidence.

Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you.


damn, because

1) this is a town corazon thing to do
2) he knows I know this because I've stated it in this game and our last together

so scum or wifom? Why do you think that you should lie as town to try and stop an argument that wasn't destructive and may have even been helpful to some people?
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#833
On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote:
you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me.


no that actually is his town mindset too. in bttb he got caught lying and i defended him because i knew it wasn't alignment indicative
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:39 GMT
#841
##unvote
##vote: yamato
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:44 GMT
#859
On January 09 2014 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato

Thrawn. You're better than this as town.


the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 18:48 GMT
#867
On January 09 2014 03:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato

Thrawn. You're better than this as town.


the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon


why don't you want to lynch cora? it sounded like fun to me!


Because he is giving me town Cora flashbacks.

Why do you think artanis is scum but want to lynch someone else for fun?
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thrawn2112
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United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 18:55 GMT
#883
Ok I have no idea who to vote and I have to leave in an hour and I won't be back before deadline.. please give thoughts. I don't like any of the kush/corazon/iamp/wos wagons. Undecided on yamato.
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thrawn2112
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United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 19:12 GMT
#907
rayn he's admitting that he faked that read in order to push his own agenda
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thrawn2112
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United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 19:17 GMT
#914
On January 09 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then he is mafia because there is no reason to fake reads as town.
Fucking simple.


yeah except he does this as town. from bttb where he was town:

On November 21 2013 18:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
By the way Mocsta I don't need you to reexplain the lie you say Corazon told. I understand perfectly what the lie would be but I just need to decide if it makes him scum or not... read what I said about him in my above post. There is no doubt in my mind that town Corazon might attempt to misrepresent his earlier posts in order to make himself look better, and end up getting everything all confused in the process.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:19 GMT
#917
On January 09 2014 04:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
It feels incredibly odd for a townie to consistently call out people for "lying" and "intentionally twisting words," but not feel reasonably sure that those people are scum.


Is Corazon the only person you want to lynch?
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:21 GMT
#919
Rayn when you harass a scum player for 24 hours asking them to provide quotes to back something up, don't you think they'd eventually make an attempt to satisfy you? Even if it's a weak one? Not say, "Yeah I actually lied about that."
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:25 GMT
#926
rayn you're replacing stupidity with stupidity
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 08 2014 19:27 GMT
#929
On January 09 2014 04:25 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
It feels incredibly odd for a townie to consistently call out people for "lying" and "intentionally twisting words," but not feel reasonably sure that those people are scum.


Is Corazon the only person you want to lynch?

At this moment, pretty much. I keep trying to read him as a townie, but things keep jumping out at me.

Class in 5 minutes, gotta run again. Will be out of class in about 1.5 hours, then I'll be here until deadline.


I'm asking because I have no idea what your reads are because you've talked about corazon all game long. You haven't said anything about anyone else.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:31 GMT
#935
On January 09 2014 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn you're replacing stupidity with stupidity

Explain. How am i being stupid?


You're policy lynching for destructive behavior that you're provoking in the first place. I don't have any problems with cora's attitude (none that affect who I want to lynch) and I don't mind kush at all. I also don't think either of them are scum.

In fact singling them out for a policy lynch is realistically only going to antagonize them further. All you have to do is decide if you think kush is mafia/town. Lynch if scum. Cooperate with him if he's town. What you are doing is not even worrying about his alignment and refusing to cooperate because you think he will also refuse.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:32 GMT
#936
On January 09 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
LOL gratz thrawn we won extractor mini.

Part of the reason I was afk d1 of this game was that I couldnt post because i was hiding from rayn in the other game.


yeah shame we didn't get a chance to bus all game long because I know that's what would have happened
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:36 GMT
#943
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:40 GMT
#947
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?


At least let the conversation happen first.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:46 GMT
#951
On January 09 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?


At least let the conversation happen first.

I hope you are going to give me a reasonable answer after the conversation or that your vote ends up in WBG.


If you can't fathom why someone would ask what I asked then you need to check what game we're playing. Stop interrupting conversations. I might be asking to figure out wbg's alignment, I might be asking because I want to know what a smart potentially town player thinks about a main wagon. Maybe I'm just looking to have a sane conversation. It's none of your business at least for now.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 19:51 GMT
#953
On January 09 2014 04:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Rayn what do you make of kush considering his mafia flip in extractor?


same question at you
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#971
On January 09 2014 05:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato's attack on iamp would have made sense from a town perspective if and only if it was strongly motivated. It was so weak, however, that I could really only make sense of it from a scum perspective. Do you think a town yamato would expend so little effort on pushing iamp if he truly thought that his "secret read" was so important? I got the impression that he wanted to gauge the reaction of other players to his "idea" and to see what would happen if he pushed iamp. I don't get the impression that he actually strongly believed iamp was ever scum. If he had, as he himself noted that his vote didn't count, I think he would have both revoted and encouraged the rest of town to flip the vote. Do you agree?


felt the same way. especially considering it being yamato
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 20:07 GMT
#973
On January 09 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
WBG, I gauge reactions of the thread as town before voting. Your point is not alignment indicative.


I've seen you as town afk from the thread and come back with reads that you are confident about and very proud of to the point that you call everyone bad and tell them all to sheep you. Here you provided a weak case embedded in layers of spoilers that you clearly didn't care to push.
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thrawn2112
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January 08 2014 20:08 GMT
#975
also if you were town i think you'd be a lot meaner to everyone accusing you
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
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January 09 2014 01:28 GMT
#1144
yay
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 01:30 GMT
#1147
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 01:36 GMT
#1148
On January 09 2014 10:19 justanothertownie wrote:
The problem is thrawn and gumshoe probably aren't scum together. What do you think of thrawn bugs?


Please tell me why you said this.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 01:40 GMT
#1150
Hey gumshoe. Do you want to talk about anything?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 01:41 GMT
#1152
what does "XD" mean in internet speak?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 01:55 GMT
#1157
I never thought Cora was buddying me, it seemed like he was trying to avoid a real conversation. If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen.

So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie

cool i'm town?

wait no you're accusing me atm?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:17 GMT
#1165
On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 10:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
I never thought Cora was buddying me, it seemed like he was trying to avoid a real conversation. If he was unwilling to attack me it is because I was questioning him and he didn't want that to happen.

So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie

cool i'm town?

wait no you're accusing me atm?


Bieng unspectacular doesnt make you scum is what i said, it improves your odds though, I never said you were town 0_0 dont twist my words. The thing that makes you scum for certain are your interactions with Cora.


Here is what you said

"Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie"

In the context of a scum play buddying a town player and being concerned with the skill, thread presence or sheepability of the town player, when you say I wasn't the most spectacular townie, your argument is implying I'm town. Why would Corazon try to buddy a scum mate who would have already been bussing him? I don't know what you're asking because I never thought he was buddying me nor do I see the consequence of that. Your argument is that I wasn't influential enough for Cor to want to buddy me, yet you think he buddied me, so I might be mafia? I will continue this after the next quote..

On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote:
Cora is never afraid of an argument, your argument is invalid, besides he did have a conversation with you, and he conducted it very civily in stark contrast to his other engagments, thats the problem.


I don't think you are taking drama into account. Scum Corazon will be mad at townies and that can influence his scum play, he's a very emotional player. I like to think and hope that Corazon knows I don't care about any of the drama from banlist thread and all that, so that may be a reason why he was more civil with me than others.

If you're concerned with the interaction between Corazon and Thrawn the only reason you can be concerned about that is because you want to know if Thrawn is scum. But right now I can't tell if that's what you want, because you have no questions for me besides this irrelevant argument and you don't seem to have read my filter and come to a conclusion about my alignment.

So what is your point?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:28 GMT
#1167
Lets talk about this.

[QUOTE]On January 09 2014 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xCXgmgu.jpg[/img]

Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around.

##Vote:WOS

>>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications.

>>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town

Can you re-explain these paragraphs?[/url]
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:28 GMT
#1168
On January 09 2014 11:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Lets talk about this.

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 08:39 gumshoe wrote:
WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town.


Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around.

##Vote:WOS


>>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications.

>>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town

Can you re-explain these paragraphs?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:36 GMT
#1170
On January 09 2014 11:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Bugs said yamato is not confirmed town by coras flip which is absolutely true.


I don't like this post.

If JAT thinks yamato is scum, why isn't he talking about it? If he thinks yamato is town, why is JAT contributing to lowering yamato's town cred?

Jat you accused me pretty directly. I'm here if you want to talk about anything.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:37 GMT
#1171
no you haven't read my filter
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:41 GMT
#1173
On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote:

1: Theres is no point buddying with an uninfluential TOWNIE, but there is a point to buddying with an uninfluential scum buddy (making them look good, which works so long as Cora doesnt get lynched, something niether of you were counting on considering you switched to yamato once things got serious against Cora) the point is, it makes no sense for him to buddy you if he was town, unless he was planning on dying in order to throw doubt on you.

2: Ok please dont make me account for banlist drama in my reads T_T

3: Oh I assure you, I KNOW that your scum XD

4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum.


1. The only thing you want to talk to me, your top scumread about is the possibilty of me being scum, because you claim a scummate was fake-buddying me in order to trick the thread into thinking he was actually buddying me in a scummy attempt to give me town points? No, I'm not taking any of that seriously.

2. Yes you need to. The only thing you want to talk to me about is whether or not Corazon was buddying me. I give you a very good reason of why (although I disagree about him actually buddying me) he was being more civil with me than with others, and you choose to ignore it.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:48 GMT
#1175
On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote:
4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum.


I have no idea what you're doing. You're not going to talk to me because I'm scum, you KNOW I'm scum, you're already voting for me, etc.

But,

"I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD."

So... after all that big talk about how sure you are of me being mafia, my filter is inconclusive? You say it's unremarkable without ever giving examples or explaining what you're talking about and that's why I think you're making this up. Why is it unremarkable? Do you know that I've talked with many people in the game? That I've been involved in many of the main discussions? That the thread was even focused on me for a small amount of time? Do you know that when people were wanting to policy lynch kush and Corazon, I spent a lot of time trying to steer all the policy lynchers onto Corazon? If you knew any of this, or found any of it alignment indicative you would have mentioned it. You aren't trying to figure out my alignment.

and then,

"your interactions with Cora make you scum"

I don't know how that can actually be your main point against me.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 02:55 GMT
#1177
On January 09 2014 11:50 gumshoe wrote:

3: No I fucking dont, keep that shiit out of here, this is such a dumb argument T_T also you cant have your cake and eat it to, either you dont think he was buddying you, or you think he was bieng nice to you cause banlist drama, the fact that you feel the need to defend yourself either way belies your need for security as a scum player.


This is the main reason for your top scumread. This is the part of the game that you have put the most emphasis on. You claimed that this point "makes me scum" so yes, you actually do need to consider my response. This is something that should makes or break the read you claim to have. It is not a dumb argument, you asked why Cora wasn't being hostile towards me and it's because I've made efforts to get along with him while many people haven't lately. That's a good explanation! You can't just pretend it shouldn't effect your read because it's "dumb."
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:02 GMT
#1179
If you're town then reason you think my play has been so shitty is because I only played shitty for a few hours and you were afk most of the rest of the cycle. I think I was actually a net positive for town. I did end up voting incorrectly but I spent a lot of time steering people towards corazon and attacking other lynches that I don't think would have gone as well.

You're resorting to ad hominem instead of providing examples of why you think my filter looks bad, when it honestly doesn't.

Why do you say kush is scum?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:09 GMT
#1183
Corazon and I were in BttB, which was a shitfest where almost everyone was mad at everyone. Then the banlist crap happened when many people from and not from that game got into a fight with Corazon, which I avoided. He's cohosting a game I'm running soon.

This is so dumb because even if you can somehow prove that Corazon had no reason to buddy a town-me it doesn't help you at all. This is the main point of your case and your point is so convoluted, wifomy, and stupid that I'm not taking any of it seriously.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:16 GMT
#1185
calling someone scummy for wanting to get high more than they want to play mafia is ridiculous

Please answer me about kush.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:17 GMT
#1187
Hi WoS. I feel like the thread needs some fresh air.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:26 GMT
#1191
Gumshoe.

Talk about why you want to kill kush.

Now.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:30 GMT
#1195
At the beginning of all of this I thought gumshoe was scum, but now I don't know. He's displaying the normal townie traits of rudeness, stupidity, and tunnel vision.

well I literally have nothing nice to say, so I'll see you guys later
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:30 GMT
#1198
On January 09 2014 12:29 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't wanna kill gumshoe I know that. Any filter diving suggestions?


artanis and JAT
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:34 GMT
#1202
On January 09 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 12:32 gumshoe wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
At the beginning of all of this I thought gumshoe was scum, but now I don't know. He's displaying the normal townie traits of rudeness, stupidity, and tunnel vision.

well I literally have nothing nice to say, so I'll see you guys later

I'm pretty sure Cora displayed all of those traits throughout the game.


Yeah, but thats not the reason Cora didn't vote for him XD

Sorry can you give me the abridged version of whats' going on between you and thrawn right now? I've been reading it but I don't think I've been following.


it's so fucking stupid
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:50 GMT
#1206
On January 09 2014 12:42 kushm4sta wrote:
wtf every filter im reading is town...


yeah honestly I kinda dislike D1 scum lynches. they are demotivating in their own way
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:53 GMT
#1207
On January 09 2014 12:39 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:32 gumshoe wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
At the beginning of all of this I thought gumshoe was scum, but now I don't know. He's displaying the normal townie traits of rudeness, stupidity, and tunnel vision.

well I literally have nothing nice to say, so I'll see you guys later

I'm pretty sure Cora displayed all of those traits throughout the game.


Yeah, but thats not the reason Cora didn't vote for him XD

Sorry can you give me the abridged version of whats' going on between you and thrawn right now? I've been reading it but I don't think I've been following.


Cora, a generally hostile player, has at no point said a single bad thing or hurled the slightest accusation at Thrawn, even as Thrawn levelled accusations against him. When the lynch started to look real, Thrawn switched off of Cora in a panic.

I called Thrawn out for this, and his general lack of contribution, he said I was seeing things and that Cora hadnt been reluctant to attack him, and yet despite believing this he deemed it neccacairy to provide an explanation on WHY Cora might be so nice to him... Thrawn claims that his support during the banlist crisis is what made Cora unwilling to persecute him as scum in a game of mafia... despite the fact that thrawn literally has not a single post or even a single mention in the banlist/banlist 2.0 thread


Buddying and not attacking aren't the same thing. He wasn't buddying me, he just wasn't being hostile.. But since you thought that's enough "weirdness" between us to somehow implicate me, I used the phrase "banlist" drama to refer to everything that happened recently involving Corazon which includes posts from BttB, BttB Disc Thread, and even some pms between myself/Cora.

And who the fuck knows. It might not even be that. It could be for any other reason, but you've arbitrarily decided that the reason is because I'm scum, which is not more likely than the explanation I offered.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 03:56 GMT
#1208
Gum do you have any scum games?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 04:38 GMT
#1212
On January 09 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 12:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:39 gumshoe wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:32 gumshoe wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 09 2014 12:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
At the beginning of all of this I thought gumshoe was scum, but now I don't know. He's displaying the normal townie traits of rudeness, stupidity, and tunnel vision.

well I literally have nothing nice to say, so I'll see you guys later

I'm pretty sure Cora displayed all of those traits throughout the game.


Yeah, but thats not the reason Cora didn't vote for him XD

Sorry can you give me the abridged version of whats' going on between you and thrawn right now? I've been reading it but I don't think I've been following.


Cora, a generally hostile player, has at no point said a single bad thing or hurled the slightest accusation at Thrawn, even as Thrawn levelled accusations against him. When the lynch started to look real, Thrawn switched off of Cora in a panic.

I called Thrawn out for this, and his general lack of contribution, he said I was seeing things and that Cora hadnt been reluctant to attack him, and yet despite believing this he deemed it neccacairy to provide an explanation on WHY Cora might be so nice to him... Thrawn claims that his support during the banlist crisis is what made Cora unwilling to persecute him as scum in a game of mafia... despite the fact that thrawn literally has not a single post or even a single mention in the banlist/banlist 2.0 thread


Buddying and not attacking aren't the same thing. He wasn't buddying me, he just wasn't being hostile.. But since you thought that's enough "weirdness" between us to somehow implicate me, I used the phrase "banlist" drama to refer to everything that happened recently involving Corazon which includes posts from BttB, BttB Disc Thread, and even some pms between myself/Cora.

And who the fuck knows. It might not even be that. It could be for any other reason, but you've arbitrarily decided that the reason is because I'm scum, which is not more likely than the explanation I offered.


The difference Is I'm referencing a tangible element in THIS game, your telling me you not helping Cora at all, but rather just watching as other people burn your "friend" is more likely cause for him have an inconsistency in his scum play? Rather than him being unwilling to start a fight with his scum buddy?


This is really annoying and I'm only continuing this because I don't think you're scum anymore and would like you to be productive.

First, your version (that corazon was unwilling to start a fight with a scumbuddy) is not the default explanation for what happened, so even if you don't buy what I'm saying you still are incorrect. i can see how it's a possible explanation but you need to figure out if it's the most likely explanation, or drop it and reevaluate your read. Corazon got very mad at me in BttB. Prety much everyone in that game started shitting on him right after it finished and later in the blist thread, which I refrained from participating in. I also pm'd him after the game was over. Right around that same time Corazon asked if he could cohost foundation mafia. Based on him asking that, I can reasonably assume that he found reason to get over whatever problems he had with me from BttB. To me that indicates that he is probably less likely to be hostile to me than to others, especially others that are in this game and were in BttB and part of the drama.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 05:33 GMT
#1214
lol
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 05:54 GMT
#1217
+ Show Spoiler +
(few weeks back) Corazon: Hey man hows life hey you wanna never accuse each other in future mafia games?

(few weeks back - 1 day) Thrawn: yea sounds good esp if they are hosted by aquanim

^^ Proof that Corazon has reason to not attack me


Anyway I've decided gumshoe isn't mafia because I finally think he's serious about this.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 05:59 GMT
#1220
On January 09 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 14:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol


I mean, you tell me all about how you guys have bonded, so I go looking for that, when I don't find it, you tell me it's all in magical pm land... And don't provide said Pms.... Lol indeed.


you're making it all fantastical. i just don't antagonize him. he's cohosting and we've pm'd in host qt. it's not a huge reason but it could explain the lack of hostility. also, his entrance into the thread was him calling both rayn and I town and saaying that neither of us needed to be looked at on D1, and instead the thread should focus on what he wanted. why would he call me scum after that?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 06:02 GMT
#1222
On January 09 2014 15:01 kushm4sta wrote: In a town game he would actually be trying to look town in this time he has.


do you think so?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 06:32 GMT
#1234
On January 09 2014 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And this is why i want to policy lynch you. You are suggesting that in this game, at the start, and from there on, mafia did not really try to push any lynch on a townie. It does not matter how shitty the mafia team is that's not what they do.


his list is ok except i might substitute iamp with wbg. and remove yamato
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 06:43 GMT
#1239
On January 09 2014 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are not planning on lynching WBG it shouldn't mean shit to you what he thinks at this point.

Now it's time to answer this thrawn.


It mattered because I was about to go to work, I didn't know who to leave my vote on because everyone was so concerned with policy lynch arguments and not with alignments. I figured even if bugs is scum he'd probably give better advice than anyone I was currently talking to.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 06:48 GMT
#1242
On January 09 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn tbh i can't see how you can possibly be town after that post..


u should figure it out
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 06:57 GMT
#1245
On January 09 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn let's talk about bugs. why do you think he might be scum?


because early on he told everyone that nobody suspects him on D1, which I didn't so now I'm worried. tbh I haven't thought about it any more than that, would need to read his filter to tell you more.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 07:01 GMT
#1249
On January 09 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 15:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn let's talk about bugs. why do you think he might be scum?


because early on he told everyone that nobody suspects him on D1, which I didn't so now I'm worried. tbh I haven't thought about it any more than that, would need to read his filter to tell you more.

So if he looks town to people he is scum? That's what i get accused a lot of and that's retarded.


actually I think you've even said it about yourself. so either you are also retarded or my paranoia is validated
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 07:20 GMT
#1254
On January 09 2014 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No thrawn, thinking someone is mafia because they look town is stupid. It really is, if someone looks town they are probablytown.


I have no amazing reason to think he is town so that is why he can't be knocked off a list of possible scum. Do you think wbg looks town? I don't like how much lecturing about how to play mafia goes into his posts and he isn't even talking about reasons for why people could be scum.

I don't want him to die, but I haven't seen anything to make me feel confident about that. He's capable of quality posts as both alignments. I wasn't even going to bring this up because it's so inconsequential, but you asked.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 16:28 GMT
#1368
wait what is this game over?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 16:34:53
January 09 2014 16:33 GMT
#1373
Kush was very easy to read this game. But I probably have as much or more experience reading him as anyone else
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 16:42 GMT
#1379
On January 09 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn i would really like to hear what was the intention behind saying this:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 15:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 09 2014 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?

On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are not planning on lynching WBG it shouldn't mean shit to you what he thinks at this point.

Now it's time to answer this thrawn.


It mattered because I was about to go to work, I didn't know who to leave my vote on because everyone was so concerned with policy lynch arguments and not with alignments. I figured even if bugs is scum he'd probably give better advice than anyone I was currently talking to.

That looked really bad.


I don't think it'd bad. I think you might think it looks bad because it casts you in a negative light. What I was referring to was the horde of people who wanted to talk about policy lynching kush and when I argued about it they completely refused to talk about his alignment. I had to go to work soon and needed a place to park my vote and everyone in the thread was being silly, why wouldn't I want to talk to wbg?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:13 GMT
#1382
rayn the reason i was bsing about wbg is I didn't want him nightkilled. i was gonna drop it right before d2
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:22 GMT
#1384
I wasn't really worried about that tbh. I think I underestimated how many people thought I could be scum. I'm not doing 8 page D1s anymore so I think I should reevaluate what I can get away with

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 09 2014 17:28 GMT
#1387
On January 10 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like your last post i quoted seemed like you were implying you wanted "advice" from WBG, "even if he is scum". That didn't make sense to me. Asking opinions is fine.


That bit was me qq'ing about everyone I was talking to and less about bugs. I didn't think he was scum at all.

meant to be an insult in the form of ... wbg's scummy advice is probably better than all your town advice
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 04:09:09
January 10 2014 04:06 GMT
#1412
I understand how not reading every single post might be thought to be bad but that's only from the perspective that mafia is the most important thing in life. WoS if kush wants to read half the thread and ends up with better reads than the average person (he wanted to lynch CC while you guys were circle jerking about policy lynching kush, he was on board with lynching Corazon almost the entire game, he got both the scum in his PoE list, and he settled on Artanis before the night was over.) then he can read as much as he wants.

On top of that he was one of the easiest town reads in that game.

So you want to policy lynch him.... why? People like saying it's because he's unreadable.... well he's not, so that makes the people who say that bad.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 04:23 GMT
#1414
tbh I think you offend people for many reasons. so they'd rather just lynch you than have to confront their own prejudices
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 09:58 GMT
#1422
On January 10 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 17:05 Corazon wrote:
On January 10 2014 17:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:52 Corazon wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 10 2014 16:44 Corazon wrote:
Rayn. I've always wanted to know this about you: Do you sleep?

I do. Just slept ~10 hours.
I've just had a lots of free time during xmas and for a week or so still so i understand the question. ^^

Do you live in Finland? And what allows you to play mafia 24/7?

Yeah i live in Finland. atm got nothing much else to do. I usually sleep when you Americans are posting, unless it's weekend when i stay up later mainly because of voice mafia.

I think you are the only player who manages to play 3 games at the same time and not piss anyone off with lack of activity.

That has more to do with my memory than my activity. Everyone is capable of making posts ifthey want to i think. I usually rememeber pretty good what has happened and where to look if i need to reread something.


If I can remember the player list without referencing the OP it's an accomplishment. I somehow spent most of the game thinking WoS was the host. One time I had to check the player list to see if marv was in the game because I thought he was and I was about to get mad at him for being afk.

that should help you read me better in the future when we're arguing and I don't seem to have any clue what's going on
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:32 GMT
#1428
On January 10 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote:
btw thrawn, you constantly talk yourself down when you're really very competent


All those things I said were true and I have better expectations than "competency." I know how to look townie.. but I never actually find and lead lynches on scum do I? Making reasonable posts is only half the battle. There have been a few times where I start feeling proud of myself after a few successful games, and eventually I'll get completely mindfucked like in WC2 and suddenly I think I know nothing about the game or how to find scum. It always takes a few games to build the momentum back. I do think I am improving but it's just taking a long time and I keep backtracking every time I decide I don't like how I'm approaching the game.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:39 GMT
#1430
oh i was very motivated after that. it inspired all the work I put into our LXIII mason chat
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 15:51 GMT
#1437
On January 11 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
...who also claims a green check on his scumbuddy.


lol u bitch. if you had claimed any more than 5 seconds later that game would have been completely different
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 17:05:11
January 10 2014 16:51 GMT
#1452
some excerpts that I think are relevant to what I was trying to say earlier

+ Show Spoiler +
"When you consistently win with something it's only natural that your belief in the validity of your
strategy is reinforced constantly. For progamers this is a great way to test the strength of their ideas. If
they keep winning with it, it's probably a good strategy because they are testing it against the very best.
That however does not apply to foreigners testing their ideas against other foreigners. If Flash shows up to
the MSL nals with 1 base bio openings he is going to get mercilessly crushed because Jaedong will know
how to beat it. But foreigners can easily go higher than even b- with such atrocious strategies because they
play against people who don't know how to react at all. The problem only grows worse because they believe
their ideas are correct because they reinforce their beliefs by beating clueless opponents. When such things
are possible, it's no wonder the overall strategic understanding becomes warped."

"Losing to stupid things will happen and there might be a point where you can beat a decent player
who plays correctly yet lose to a poor one who uses inferior strategies. This bizarre situation occurs because
you are jumping over a large period of growth by rigorously learning from the correct ideas (those by the
pros) instead of learning much slower, but more incrementally, by personal trial and error. Thus there will
come a point when you have a gap in your knowledge: you understand what is right, but not why it is
right, and thus do not have the know how without a direct example of how to defeat inferior ideas. Seeking
explanations certainly does help here as the accuracy on solved problems is usually better than for unsolved
ones, but on its own it might not be enough. If you have the skill to play as other races, playing from the
other side of the eld is a great x. Try playing that 1 base bio against a bunch of Zergs and see what
happens. It really helps to feel, not just read about, the problems from the other POV. Regardless, this is
a problem that will vanish after your understanding grows, but it may make a painful bump in the road.
The worst part about the second problem is that due to the inherent nature of learning, the initial period
of growth is always slow and will show little results. A beginning student cannot e ectively comprehend the
nature of what they are seeing because they have not built the mental framework to place it in: to them an
SC game, especially a pro one, is just a series of actions happening for seemingly incomprehensible reasons.
They can't understand their own games, so how could they even begin to relate to one played many levels
higher? The slow growth during this period can easily lead to discouragement and is a stumbling block for
many people; the inability to establish a mental framework is likely the reason why only a small fraction of
SC players can ever get above the level of a d/d+ iccup player."

from the same guide, a quote from iloveoov

"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape.""


from "How to Improve" by Ver.

edit - the BW guide, not the one on this forum
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 10 2014 17:07 GMT
#1459
Yeah, one of the reasons I decided not to even post my Umasi case after your claim is that I desperately didn't want to be the tinfoil townie that threw the game by lynching a claimed cop.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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