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On January 07 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Come on, thrawn. | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:20 iamperfection wrote: well what do you think of gumshoe do you agree with me? sure | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:08 yamato77 wrote: Still don't like that you come in the game voting him Why? You think it's scummy? | ||
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##vote: Waveofshadow i agree with the points wbg brought up ..... also because of the talk WoS and I had | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:57 mkfuba07 wrote: I went to sleep. For countless reasons, my body was weak, and I've got my first day of classes tomorrow(/today) so I'd prefer to be strong! I was actually hoping to still be asleep right now, but my imagination keeps waking me up with stupid additions to a dream I was having. It's actually really frustrating... /rant over This post made me lean scum on cora. Not because he says Iamp is being nonsensical (I would have to jump through his filter to come to a conclusion on that), but because he compares Iamp's play in this game to another player's play in a different game. There's no relation between the two aside from the fact that Cora wants to see Iamp as scummy. Like, if his argument is true (iamp is shitflinging), then the conclusion that he is scum follows naturally. The addition of Xatalos's play in another game makes it seem like he subconsciously knows his argument is weak and needs to legitimize it. I think you are scum because your opinion on Corazon depends on if Iamp was actually shitflinging. But earlier you said "Not because he says Iamp is being nonsensical (I would have to jump through his filter to come to a conclusion on that)" So you're not willing to do research into something that you say makes or breaks your read. | ||
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guys just ignore me until i say otherwise | ||
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what was he trying to do just now? coach me? i was unable to find out as he wasn't interested in finishing the conversation | ||
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Do you have any scum reads or other interesting things you wanna talk about? | ||
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On January 07 2014 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: What was your read on me before my answer and why did it change? You're pushing the limit of how much thought you can assume I put into my earlier posts. | ||
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On January 08 2014 00:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Thrawn if you're around, where exactly did your line of questioning toward me go You didn't respond to my latest question. I still want to know the motivation behind the couple of posts directed at me. | ||
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On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me. | ||
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On January 07 2014 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello everyone. I'm also town. Cheesecake, on a level of 1-100, how sexy will you be this game? so I don't know what you mean by that accusation. No matter his alignment any sexiness he demonstrates for your benefit is likely a result of the above quote. I don't trust scumpoints: On January 07 2014 11:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Confirmed scum, can't be not scum due to RNG. Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead! That's why scumpoints are bad. You are assigning CC scum points for misunderstanding a post. That's too weak of an accusation for me to believe but I can't tell how serious you are when you act silly while assigning scum reads. I just refreshed the page and saw your recent post about the point I just brought up. Obviously I don't think it's a valid point. | ||
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On January 08 2014 11:43 thrawn2112 wrote: I would kill artanis/corazon/rayn/yamato I take back artanis because I am undecided. Probably Corazon too. Anyone wanna kill rayn? | ||
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You're probably town though so nvm. | ||
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On January 08 2014 12:20 iamperfection wrote: why don't you want to kill yamato now? That's where my vote is. None of the people I want to talk to are here, so I'm just lurking. | ||
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I'm pretty sure this relates to what you're thinking about me right now? | ||
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On January 08 2014 12:42 iamperfection wrote: ... i don't get it basically I avoid answering the tough questions by refusing to converse for one reason or another. | ||
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>>>>rayn if i told you i have a valid reason to believe you're scum, what do you think it is? I don't remember what my read on you was when I asked this but a scumread isn't why I asked. I "was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself." (now I know all this makes me look like a moron but that is a consequence of playing stoned) I was baiting you in the most obvious way ever. You gave the answer that doesn't really help me figure out your alignment. At that point my thought process was like "ah fuck it" and then came the "0 reads" comment. Maybe there was some exaggeration on how few reads I suddenly had but I wouldn't be able to tell you. Actually I've already explained this to you but I think you refused to believe that I am dumb enough to type this: "I was hoping that you would tell me why you're scum because i'm too lazy to make the case myself." We should get over this ASAP because I think it's gonna make for a pretty tedious read. Either decide I'm scummy for it or drop it because the above is the best explanation I care to give. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Thrawn I believe you never responded to my question of you, being why exactly you felt the need to question my call-out of your vote-bait. You still haven't explained any of it, only dodged me when I ask you despite me answering every question you've asked of me. I am not impressed. Rayn why should we vote thrawn over yamato? I didn't respond because I didn't feel the need to question you further. Kinda rude I know, but I'm not dodging. I was trying to figure out what you were doing? I couldn't tell if you thought I was scum or if you were critiquing my play. If you're just critiquing play then honestly I still don't *actually* understand your motivation for those posts (in the sense of "does this post help town?"). But I don't think only scum will give advice so it's a non issue. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So did you think i - as scum - would be stupid enough to give away my alignment by being giving you an idiotic answer to a stupid question? Like, as town, you do stuff that helps you figuring out other people's alignments. Therefore you don't ask questions that can have null-answers, or at least questions where the answer is expected to be null by default. As scum, you want to look like you are doing that but you actually are not because you don't want to "confirm" townies to you or other townies as in the end that gives yourself away. To me that looks like you were doing stuff that looks like you were doing stuff but that didn't have any intention behind it, which makes it far more likely to come from mafia. I tried to be as self deprecating as possible in my response but you still need to realize what "smoking" for me means. I hate it when people list off how much they smoke and etc but I need to actually tell you for you to understand. Right now I currently have 4 strains of bud, hash, and hash oil at my disposal and I usually use some of everything. This week I've been using all of those things in multiple ways multiple times a day. sorry for being a tool right there but rayn needs to understand | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure Corazon is mafia too. I prefer him over Yamato. ##unvote ##vote Corazon | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:35 Corazon wrote: @Thrawn I think you two have had decent contributions to the scumhunt and frankly, I see your back-and-forth b/w you and Rayn to be town on town. I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him. Your assessment of the fight is completely off. I decided rayn was town a long time ago and only wanted to lynch him for like 5 minutes, most of it was him attacking me. When you decided to play thread cop the argument had already died down and I think both of us had at least resolved not to press the issue further. Also I haven't really had that great of contributions yet, especially compared to the standard you held me to during BttB so I don't like that part of your post either. "I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him" I'm not sure who you're even addressing here or what advice you're trying to give. Sure, if rayn "scum claims" I'll lynch him... you thought lynching scum claimers is a strategy only you are privy to? | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote: Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make. Why did you say I had made enough quality contributions towards scumhunting to be considered so town that you don't need to worry about my alignment at all during D1? | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:56 Corazon wrote: Because you are playing exactly like you are as town. Paranoid and changing your reads every 5 minutes. That's not the original reason you gave for excusing me from scrutiny. You said I had made quality contributions towards scumhunting and you're being asked to explain what made you type those words. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily). The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play. In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote: This actually may very well strike home with me a little. Do you think Cora is playing me purposefully rather than blowing this up further? I know he has been doing his best to change his attitude outside of games, but to me this looks like exactly the kind of shit people get pissed off at him every game for. I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you don't think he was as hostile as town Corazon would have been? But you don't know how to reconcile this judgement with how he may or may not have changed after recent drama? If you are, then sadly that's not really a productive conversation we can have out in the open so we'll just have to decide for ourselves. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i am generally not considered to be in top 2 of players in this game stating that i should be policy lynched on D3 if i am alive is a way of saying "i refuse to give my opinions on rayn and i will already set up an arbitary read on him regardless of what he does - a read that becomes "valid" at some point of the game". that's my point here On January 08 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote: The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play. In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read I don't mind that he said based on its merit as a policy because that's not town/mafia...... it's scummy because it's a substitute for giving an actual read maybe if he said: "I think rayn is a little scummy, but I don't like lynching him on D1" then I might say Cor's town even if I disagreed, but as it is there's no read to go along with it. | ||
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Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process? | ||
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On January 08 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato and thrawn you still around? yeah | ||
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On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases? The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read. | ||
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On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town. ##unvote no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both are equally bad. One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it. I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote: Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie. you've been ignoring the same question from multiple players for several posts Why did you think I was so townie that I should be ignored for the D1 lynch? You said this a long time ago, right after I started playing seriously. You specifically said that I had made good contributions to the scum hunt, so you need to explain why you thought this and provide evidence. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change. Ok so you're wanting to policy lynch two people. Surely it's helpful to have a conversation about their alignments? | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:32 Corazon wrote: Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you. damn, because 1) this is a town corazon thing to do 2) he knows I know this because I've stated it in this game and our last together so scum or wifom? Why do you think that you should lie as town to try and stop an argument that wasn't destructive and may have even been helpful to some people? | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:34 iamperfection wrote: you seem overly concerned about what everyone thinks about you cora. doesn't seem like a townie mind set to me. no that actually is his town mindset too. in bttb he got caught lying and i defended him because i knew it wasn't alignment indicative | ||
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the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why don't you want to lynch cora? it sounded like fun to me! Because he is giving me town Cora flashbacks. Why do you think artanis is scum but want to lynch someone else for fun? | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well then he is mafia because there is no reason to fake reads as town. Fucking simple. yeah except he does this as town. from bttb where he was town: On November 21 2013 18:43 thrawn2112 wrote: By the way Mocsta I don't need you to reexplain the lie you say Corazon told. I understand perfectly what the lie would be but I just need to decide if it makes him scum or not... read what I said about him in my above post. There is no doubt in my mind that town Corazon might attempt to misrepresent his earlier posts in order to make himself look better, and end up getting everything all confused in the process. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:16 mkfuba07 wrote: It feels incredibly odd for a townie to consistently call out people for "lying" and "intentionally twisting words," but not feel reasonably sure that those people are scum. Is Corazon the only person you want to lynch? | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:25 mkfuba07 wrote: At this moment, pretty much. I keep trying to read him as a townie, but things keep jumping out at me. Class in 5 minutes, gotta run again. Will be out of class in about 1.5 hours, then I'll be here until deadline. I'm asking because I have no idea what your reads are because you've talked about corazon all game long. You haven't said anything about anyone else. | ||
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You're policy lynching for destructive behavior that you're provoking in the first place. I don't have any problems with cora's attitude (none that affect who I want to lynch) and I don't mind kush at all. I also don't think either of them are scum. In fact singling them out for a policy lynch is realistically only going to antagonize them further. All you have to do is decide if you think kush is mafia/town. Lynch if scum. Cooperate with him if he's town. What you are doing is not even worrying about his alignment and refusing to cooperate because you think he will also refuse. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote: LOL gratz thrawn we won extractor mini. Part of the reason I was afk d1 of this game was that I couldnt post because i was hiding from rayn in the other game. yeah shame we didn't get a chance to bus all game long because I know that's what would have happened | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato? At least let the conversation happen first. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I hope you are going to give me a reasonable answer after the conversation or that your vote ends up in WBG. If you can't fathom why someone would ask what I asked then you need to check what game we're playing. Stop interrupting conversations. I might be asking to figure out wbg's alignment, I might be asking because I want to know what a smart potentially town player thinks about a main wagon. Maybe I'm just looking to have a sane conversation. It's none of your business at least for now. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn what do you make of kush considering his mafia flip in extractor? same question at you | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Yamato's attack on iamp would have made sense from a town perspective if and only if it was strongly motivated. It was so weak, however, that I could really only make sense of it from a scum perspective. Do you think a town yamato would expend so little effort on pushing iamp if he truly thought that his "secret read" was so important? I got the impression that he wanted to gauge the reaction of other players to his "idea" and to see what would happen if he pushed iamp. I don't get the impression that he actually strongly believed iamp was ever scum. If he had, as he himself noted that his vote didn't count, I think he would have both revoted and encouraged the rest of town to flip the vote. Do you agree? felt the same way. especially considering it being yamato | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote: WBG, I gauge reactions of the thread as town before voting. Your point is not alignment indicative. I've seen you as town afk from the thread and come back with reads that you are confident about and very proud of to the point that you call everyone bad and tell them all to sheep you. Here you provided a weak case embedded in layers of spoilers that you clearly didn't care to push. | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:19 justanothertownie wrote: The problem is thrawn and gumshoe probably aren't scum together. What do you think of thrawn bugs? Please tell me why you said this. | ||
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So you say i weren't the most spectacular townie cool i'm town? wait no you're accusing me atm? | ||
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On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote: Bieng unspectacular doesnt make you scum is what i said, it improves your odds though, I never said you were town 0_0 dont twist my words. The thing that makes you scum for certain are your interactions with Cora. Here is what you said "Would you say it was weird for Cora to try and buddy you? I mean, no offence but you weren't the most spectacular townie" In the context of a scum play buddying a town player and being concerned with the skill, thread presence or sheepability of the town player, when you say I wasn't the most spectacular townie, your argument is implying I'm town. Why would Corazon try to buddy a scum mate who would have already been bussing him? I don't know what you're asking because I never thought he was buddying me nor do I see the consequence of that. Your argument is that I wasn't influential enough for Cor to want to buddy me, yet you think he buddied me, so I might be mafia? I will continue this after the next quote.. On January 09 2014 10:59 gumshoe wrote: Cora is never afraid of an argument, your argument is invalid, besides he did have a conversation with you, and he conducted it very civily in stark contrast to his other engagments, thats the problem. I don't think you are taking drama into account. Scum Corazon will be mad at townies and that can influence his scum play, he's a very emotional player. I like to think and hope that Corazon knows I don't care about any of the drama from banlist thread and all that, so that may be a reason why he was more civil with me than others. If you're concerned with the interaction between Corazon and Thrawn the only reason you can be concerned about that is because you want to know if Thrawn is scum. But right now I can't tell if that's what you want, because you have no questions for me besides this irrelevant argument and you don't seem to have read my filter and come to a conclusion about my alignment. So what is your point? | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 09 2014 08:39 gumshoe wrote: WOS: Overall I just feel his play is kinda scummy, and while hes active I'm not sensing the typical conviction out of him, or even the good naturedness he exhumes in even dire circumstance as town. [img]http://i.imgur.com/xCXgmgu.jpg[/img] Too be honest WOS actually looks more townie than several players in this game who are likely town, my read on him is a gut one ) : going by some games ive played with him. Mainly withcraft, where he established his innocence right off the bat and was the towniest force in the whole game, a role he seemed to enjoy immensely, and basterd mafia where he was neutral but once again came off as a guy having all the fun. He just seems to be a bit more scared/confused/serious this time around. ##Vote:WOS >>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications. >>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town Can you re-explain these paragraphs?[/url] | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:28 thrawn2112 wrote: Lets talk about this. >>WoS is kinda scummy because of vague irresponsible meta justifications. >>He actually looks more townie than other players who don't look as townie but are probably town Can you re-explain these paragraphs? | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:15 justanothertownie wrote: Bugs said yamato is not confirmed town by coras flip which is absolutely true. I don't like this post. If JAT thinks yamato is scum, why isn't he talking about it? If he thinks yamato is town, why is JAT contributing to lowering yamato's town cred? Jat you accused me pretty directly. I'm here if you want to talk about anything. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote: 1: Theres is no point buddying with an uninfluential TOWNIE, but there is a point to buddying with an uninfluential scum buddy (making them look good, which works so long as Cora doesnt get lynched, something niether of you were counting on considering you switched to yamato once things got serious against Cora) the point is, it makes no sense for him to buddy you if he was town, unless he was planning on dying in order to throw doubt on you. 2: Ok please dont make me account for banlist drama in my reads T_T 3: Oh I assure you, I KNOW that your scum XD 4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum. 1. The only thing you want to talk to me, your top scumread about is the possibilty of me being scum, because you claim a scummate was fake-buddying me in order to trick the thread into thinking he was actually buddying me in a scummy attempt to give me town points? No, I'm not taking any of that seriously. 2. Yes you need to. The only thing you want to talk to me about is whether or not Corazon was buddying me. I give you a very good reason of why (although I disagree about him actually buddying me) he was being more civil with me than with others, and you choose to ignore it. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote: 4: there is no real point to asking questions of you actually, because your scum and your not going to give me a)useful answers b) answers that result in your lynch. Also I have read your filter, and as I said, its unremarkable, but so is Fuba's, Kush's, and even Wos's, I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD. Your filter makes you a candidate for lynch, your interactions with Cora make you scum. I have no idea what you're doing. You're not going to talk to me because I'm scum, you KNOW I'm scum, you're already voting for me, etc. But, "I can dive your filter but its not scummier than that of these guys, and yet a couple of you have to be town XD." So... after all that big talk about how sure you are of me being mafia, my filter is inconclusive? You say it's unremarkable without ever giving examples or explaining what you're talking about and that's why I think you're making this up. Why is it unremarkable? Do you know that I've talked with many people in the game? That I've been involved in many of the main discussions? That the thread was even focused on me for a small amount of time? Do you know that when people were wanting to policy lynch kush and Corazon, I spent a lot of time trying to steer all the policy lynchers onto Corazon? If you knew any of this, or found any of it alignment indicative you would have mentioned it. You aren't trying to figure out my alignment. and then, "your interactions with Cora make you scum" I don't know how that can actually be your main point against me. | ||
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On January 09 2014 11:50 gumshoe wrote: 3: No I fucking dont, keep that shiit out of here, this is such a dumb argument T_T also you cant have your cake and eat it to, either you dont think he was buddying you, or you think he was bieng nice to you cause banlist drama, the fact that you feel the need to defend yourself either way belies your need for security as a scum player. This is the main reason for your top scumread. This is the part of the game that you have put the most emphasis on. You claimed that this point "makes me scum" so yes, you actually do need to consider my response. This is something that should makes or break the read you claim to have. It is not a dumb argument, you asked why Cora wasn't being hostile towards me and it's because I've made efforts to get along with him while many people haven't lately. That's a good explanation! You can't just pretend it shouldn't effect your read because it's "dumb." | ||
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You're resorting to ad hominem instead of providing examples of why you think my filter looks bad, when it honestly doesn't. Why do you say kush is scum? | ||
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This is so dumb because even if you can somehow prove that Corazon had no reason to buddy a town-me it doesn't help you at all. This is the main point of your case and your point is so convoluted, wifomy, and stupid that I'm not taking any of it seriously. | ||
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Please answer me about kush. | ||
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Talk about why you want to kill kush. Now. | ||
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well I literally have nothing nice to say, so I'll see you guys later | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't wanna kill gumshoe I know that. Any filter diving suggestions? artanis and JAT | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry can you give me the abridged version of whats' going on between you and thrawn right now? I've been reading it but I don't think I've been following. it's so fucking stupid | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:42 kushm4sta wrote: wtf every filter im reading is town... yeah honestly I kinda dislike D1 scum lynches. they are demotivating in their own way | ||
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On January 09 2014 12:39 gumshoe wrote: Cora, a generally hostile player, has at no point said a single bad thing or hurled the slightest accusation at Thrawn, even as Thrawn levelled accusations against him. When the lynch started to look real, Thrawn switched off of Cora in a panic. I called Thrawn out for this, and his general lack of contribution, he said I was seeing things and that Cora hadnt been reluctant to attack him, and yet despite believing this he deemed it neccacairy to provide an explanation on WHY Cora might be so nice to him... Thrawn claims that his support during the banlist crisis is what made Cora unwilling to persecute him as scum in a game of mafia... despite the fact that thrawn literally has not a single post or even a single mention in the banlist/banlist 2.0 thread Buddying and not attacking aren't the same thing. He wasn't buddying me, he just wasn't being hostile.. But since you thought that's enough "weirdness" between us to somehow implicate me, I used the phrase "banlist" drama to refer to everything that happened recently involving Corazon which includes posts from BttB, BttB Disc Thread, and even some pms between myself/Cora. And who the fuck knows. It might not even be that. It could be for any other reason, but you've arbitrarily decided that the reason is because I'm scum, which is not more likely than the explanation I offered. | ||
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On January 09 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: The difference Is I'm referencing a tangible element in THIS game, your telling me you not helping Cora at all, but rather just watching as other people burn your "friend" is more likely cause for him have an inconsistency in his scum play? Rather than him being unwilling to start a fight with his scum buddy? This is really annoying and I'm only continuing this because I don't think you're scum anymore and would like you to be productive. First, your version (that corazon was unwilling to start a fight with a scumbuddy) is not the default explanation for what happened, so even if you don't buy what I'm saying you still are incorrect. i can see how it's a possible explanation but you need to figure out if it's the most likely explanation, or drop it and reevaluate your read. Corazon got very mad at me in BttB. Prety much everyone in that game started shitting on him right after it finished and later in the blist thread, which I refrained from participating in. I also pm'd him after the game was over. Right around that same time Corazon asked if he could cohost foundation mafia. Based on him asking that, I can reasonably assume that he found reason to get over whatever problems he had with me from BttB. To me that indicates that he is probably less likely to be hostile to me than to others, especially others that are in this game and were in BttB and part of the drama. | ||
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(few weeks back) Corazon: Hey man hows life hey you wanna never accuse each other in future mafia games? (few weeks back - 1 day) Thrawn: yea sounds good esp if they are hosted by aquanim ^^ Proof that Corazon has reason to not attack me Anyway I've decided gumshoe isn't mafia because I finally think he's serious about this. | ||
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On January 09 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote: I mean, you tell me all about how you guys have bonded, so I go looking for that, when I don't find it, you tell me it's all in magical pm land... And don't provide said Pms.... Lol indeed. you're making it all fantastical. i just don't antagonize him. he's cohosting and we've pm'd in host qt. it's not a huge reason but it could explain the lack of hostility. also, his entrance into the thread was him calling both rayn and I town and saaying that neither of us needed to be looked at on D1, and instead the thread should focus on what he wanted. why would he call me scum after that? | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:01 kushm4sta wrote: In a town game he would actually be trying to look town in this time he has. do you think so? | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is why i want to policy lynch you. You are suggesting that in this game, at the start, and from there on, mafia did not really try to push any lynch on a townie. It does not matter how shitty the mafia team is that's not what they do. his list is ok except i might substitute iamp with wbg. and remove yamato | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now it's time to answer this thrawn. It mattered because I was about to go to work, I didn't know who to leave my vote on because everyone was so concerned with policy lynch arguments and not with alignments. I figured even if bugs is scum he'd probably give better advice than anyone I was currently talking to. | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn tbh i can't see how you can possibly be town after that post.. u should figure it out | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn let's talk about bugs. why do you think he might be scum? because early on he told everyone that nobody suspects him on D1, which I didn't so now I'm worried. tbh I haven't thought about it any more than that, would need to read his filter to tell you more. | ||
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On January 09 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if he looks town to people he is scum? That's what i get accused a lot of and that's retarded. actually I think you've even said it about yourself. so either you are also retarded or my paranoia is validated | ||
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On January 09 2014 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: No thrawn, thinking someone is mafia because they look town is stupid. It really is, if someone looks town they are probablytown. I have no amazing reason to think he is town so that is why he can't be knocked off a list of possible scum. Do you think wbg looks town? I don't like how much lecturing about how to play mafia goes into his posts and he isn't even talking about reasons for why people could be scum. I don't want him to die, but I haven't seen anything to make me feel confident about that. He's capable of quality posts as both alignments. I wasn't even going to bring this up because it's so inconsequential, but you asked. | ||
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On January 09 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn i would really like to hear what was the intention behind saying this: That looked really bad. ![]() I don't think it'd bad. I think you might think it looks bad because it casts you in a negative light. What I was referring to was the horde of people who wanted to talk about policy lynching kush and when I argued about it they completely refused to talk about his alignment. I had to go to work soon and needed a place to park my vote and everyone in the thread was being silly, why wouldn't I want to talk to wbg? | ||
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On January 10 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like your last post i quoted seemed like you were implying you wanted "advice" from WBG, "even if he is scum". That didn't make sense to me. Asking opinions is fine. That bit was me qq'ing about everyone I was talking to and less about bugs. I didn't think he was scum at all. meant to be an insult in the form of ... wbg's scummy advice is probably better than all your town advice | ||
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On top of that he was one of the easiest town reads in that game. So you want to policy lynch him.... why? People like saying it's because he's unreadable.... well he's not, so that makes the people who say that bad. | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: That has more to do with my memory than my activity. Everyone is capable of making posts ifthey want to i think. I usually rememeber pretty good what has happened and where to look if i need to reread something. If I can remember the player list without referencing the OP it's an accomplishment. I somehow spent most of the game thinking WoS was the host. One time I had to check the player list to see if marv was in the game because I thought he was and I was about to get mad at him for being afk. that should help you read me better in the future when we're arguing and I don't seem to have any clue what's going on | ||
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On January 10 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote: btw thrawn, you constantly talk yourself down when you're really very competent All those things I said were true and I have better expectations than "competency." I know how to look townie.. but I never actually find and lead lynches on scum do I? Making reasonable posts is only half the battle. There have been a few times where I start feeling proud of myself after a few successful games, and eventually I'll get completely mindfucked like in WC2 and suddenly I think I know nothing about the game or how to find scum. It always takes a few games to build the momentum back. I do think I am improving but it's just taking a long time and I keep backtracking every time I decide I don't like how I'm approaching the game. | ||
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On January 11 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: ...who also claims a green check on his scumbuddy. lol u bitch. if you had claimed any more than 5 seconds later that game would have been completely different | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + "When you consistently win with something it's only natural that your belief in the validity of your strategy is reinforced constantly. For progamers this is a great way to test the strength of their ideas. If they keep winning with it, it's probably a good strategy because they are testing it against the very best. That however does not apply to foreigners testing their ideas against other foreigners. If Flash shows up to the MSL nals with 1 base bio openings he is going to get mercilessly crushed because Jaedong will know how to beat it. But foreigners can easily go higher than even b- with such atrocious strategies because they play against people who don't know how to react at all. The problem only grows worse because they believe their ideas are correct because they reinforce their beliefs by beating clueless opponents. When such things are possible, it's no wonder the overall strategic understanding becomes warped." "Losing to stupid things will happen and there might be a point where you can beat a decent player who plays correctly yet lose to a poor one who uses inferior strategies. This bizarre situation occurs because you are jumping over a large period of growth by rigorously learning from the correct ideas (those by the pros) instead of learning much slower, but more incrementally, by personal trial and error. Thus there will come a point when you have a gap in your knowledge: you understand what is right, but not why it is right, and thus do not have the know how without a direct example of how to defeat inferior ideas. Seeking explanations certainly does help here as the accuracy on solved problems is usually better than for unsolved ones, but on its own it might not be enough. If you have the skill to play as other races, playing from the other side of the eld is a great x. Try playing that 1 base bio against a bunch of Zergs and see what happens. It really helps to feel, not just read about, the problems from the other POV. Regardless, this is a problem that will vanish after your understanding grows, but it may make a painful bump in the road. The worst part about the second problem is that due to the inherent nature of learning, the initial period of growth is always slow and will show little results. A beginning student cannot eectively comprehend the nature of what they are seeing because they have not built the mental framework to place it in: to them an SC game, especially a pro one, is just a series of actions happening for seemingly incomprehensible reasons. They can't understand their own games, so how could they even begin to relate to one played many levels higher? The slow growth during this period can easily lead to discouragement and is a stumbling block for many people; the inability to establish a mental framework is likely the reason why only a small fraction of SC players can ever get above the level of a d/d+ iccup player." from the same guide, a quote from iloveoov "When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape."" from "How to Improve" by Ver. edit - the BW guide, not the one on this forum | ||
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