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I understand that the posting requirement for this game is more aggressive. I understand that this game is Instant Majority Lynch. I understand that this game does not allow posting at night. I love D2 MYLO games, people must actually participate, a lot! <3 | ||
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On December 31 2013 04:07 justanothertownie wrote: Makes sense. This setup looks really hard for town. Yeah it is but it's cool. Forces people to actually play and ifthey don't they get lynched. Also "infinite amount of time" days are good for town. | ||
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I am planning on lynching scum on D1. yamato will you help me? | ||
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On January 04 2014 06:21 Alakaslam wrote: Hey Rayne. So, how do you plan to do that? Teach me the way. Is it to lynch a lurker? Something else? Ppl where you all at? I watch out what being said by other people makes sense in a way that i feel like helps the town figuring out stuff and what doesn't. It's 7-3, so in a way yes, lurkers should be under more scrutiny in this setup. D2 is MYLO, there is absolutely no room for a single lurker/non-contributor. May that be a warning for everyone from the beginning. | ||
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Also Hopeless' random lynch; thoughts? | ||
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On January 04 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote: Alakaslam is the focus of this game right now, hes made the only real proposition, if hes town then scum is discussing if hes serious about the whole lurker thing or if hes baiting scum. Theyre wondering how long until they can back him or if they should jump on him for making "asinine" discussion. If hes scum they're wondering how town will react to his conversation starter and planning for each possible response. They may also be planning a bus. | ||
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On January 04 2014 08:00 gumshoe wrote: And why do you think im scum? Your not a very impulsive player so I assume you have some thing to back up your convictions. I also want to know where do you base this statement of yours on? | ||
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On January 04 2014 08:19 yamato77 wrote: 1) You're being too friendly to me. 2) You're being too aggressive towards gumshoe based on a stupid question that YOU asked him. 1) What in your opinion i would be doing as town? I mean exactly how i would act towards you as town in your opinion? 2) Why is it a stupid question and why is aggressiveness a scumtell, especially for me? | ||
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It's like discussing random lynch is completely useless and stupid and stop it. | ||
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On January 04 2014 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also want to know where do you base this statement of yours on? | ||
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I really do want to lynch mafia on D1, therefore i won't allow people i work well with to discredit me in case they are scum. I am a Parity Cop. My role is useless, for me, as i said before. What i want to is people (especially yamato and thrawn who i know to be strong and work well with if they are town) to work with me without a doubt in their mind about my alignment. Now let's lynch mafia shall we? | ||
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On January 04 2014 08:53 gumshoe wrote: I'll say this now, I dont think you were under enough pressure as scum to gamble on a hail marry claim(and its likely youd be lynched in case of a counterclaim anyways) but I feel youve made a mistake as town ) : If i do not lynch mafia on D1 then i have definitely made a mistake but in my opinion this gives me much higher chances of lynching scum. I don't have to worry about people worrying about me. As i said me being parity cop is same as me being vanilla. I get a first scum check at best on D3. In my opinion at that point of the game there should be 2 mafia dead already. If there is not i am doing something wrong. If i am alive on D3 i am doing something wrong. Therefore me being a parity cop has no upsides besides the fact that if i claim it people can actually trust me and trust my thoughts to have a townie agenda without thinking about the possible scum motivations behind them. | ||
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On January 04 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote: This wouldn't be a policy lynch, because that statement is so scummy- coupled with gumshoe asking the cop to counterclaim?!?!? I'm back to thinking you are scum together! Ugh I don't trust my own reads But you just said this: On January 04 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote: K look there are huge problems with this, I could actually totes lynch you with Yamato on this alone. If you are actually blue you just gave up that power's usefulness and if you are scum, the real cop can't counterclaim you without outing himself to you. Most will know this and therefore that it is essentially WIFOM, also I think YOU know better enough to know all that. Especially the bolded part. You do not explain why i am scum for claiming. You jsut say you want to lynch me for my claim. You never explain why my calim makes sense from a scum perspective. Either elaborate on why am i scum or drop it. Right now. | ||
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Which is it? If you don't know do something else. Being wishy-washy about it does not get you anywhere. So which is it, town or scum? | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: Nice discredit explain? How on earth I what you are doing any better than the biggest WIFOM bomb I have ever seen plus a ton of Svengali? Why on earth should town believe your claim even if the parity cop role is so useless? I will even answer that- because it wouldn't be worth the risk to make suh a fakeclaim as scum. But the problem with that is it is like combining a bus with blue hunting, and you can count on town arriving at that same conclusion anyway! WIFOM is the greatest scum strategy IMO. I honestly don't give a shit because you have obviously no idea about what i would or would not do as mafia and why. | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote: You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it. Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all. That does not answer my question at all. And no, i was not under pressure, yamato called me possibly mafia for bullshit reasoning - something you yourself agreed with. | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote: no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons. And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me? What exactly are you saying here? | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote: no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons. Also if you think i am totes town what's the point of the bolded part of this post? You are commenting on my accusation against gumshoe, why do you need to bring my claim into it? It has nothing to do with my accusation. | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:15 gumshoe wrote: If your plan was to reveal from so early on, why did you wait until you came under fire to reveal? You used your role like a mothership recall after a hatchery snipe XD that doesnt strike me as transparent or townie, also your plan doesnt allow much for error / : what if we lynch one scum and one townie( Which very well may have happened considering you were just trying to lynch me) then that parity cop comes pretty damm in handy. But whateves, like I said not much to do if theres no other claim, but I still find your play rather wasteful, and oddly enough equal parts cynical and optimistic. On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote: You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it. Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all. This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit. | ||
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 This is gonna be the best lynch 2013. | ||
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On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote: You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it. Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all. In case gumshoe thinks i am mafia: This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit. In case gumshoe thinks i am town: If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. In either scenario gumshoe's reasoning makes no sense at all and therefore he is lying. | ||
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Hopeless is being reckless. Regardless of gumshoe's alignment townies are more likely to be eager to jump on lynches early on in the game where there is a majority lynch. Hopeless had a randomlynch for himelsf to hide behind if he didn't want to gather attention for hopping on to gumshoe wagon. I think it's more likely as mafia he would stay more neutral and promote more discussion before switching his vote onto gumshoe with literally no reasons given. | ||
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Sentinel gimme full reads on me & gumshoe thx. | ||
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On January 04 2014 11:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: omggg its so scummy rayn. He risked hammer cus he skimmed the thread and jumped on the first thing he could blahh It might also be bad town play or him not expressing himself clearly. I am more worried about yamato who did defend gumshoe when he needed no defending at all. | ||
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On January 04 2014 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote: After WC I'd hope you'd never ask me something like that again Anyways I don't having pressing reasons to interrogate you so I'm just leaving it at that for now. Now this is a bad post. The situation is totally different. If you are seriously comparing these situations... - Fake cop claim and a green check on your scumbuddy when you have to claim something on a night before LYLO - Cop claim 1h into the game ..you are scum. | ||
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On January 04 2014 11:20 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't get you here. You say hopeless is setting himself up to potentially hide behind a random lynch and you think that is reckless in a townie way? I am saying that's what he could have done instead of putting himself possibly in a spotlight by jumping on to gumshoe. | ||
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What was the point of your vote in the first place? | ||
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On January 04 2014 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: I didn't want to hammer yet but I don't mind a super early game L-1, it's a good way to get things going. Once people started acting like they seriously wanted to hammer immediately I chickened out. What's the point of putting someone into L-1 if you are not intending on letting him being hammered? | ||
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Also elaborate more on your statement about my WC fakeclaim comparsion to this game. Why did you do it, compare two entirely different situations? And what does what i did in Witchcraft have to do with my claim in this game? If i have fakeclaimed as scum at some game it does not give me a motivation to fakeclaim in this game. What's my mafia motivation in fakeclaiming parity cop in this game? You must think there is some because you are entertaining an idea i could be mafia, so please share. | ||
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On January 04 2014 12:02 Alakaslam wrote: Real quick what is L-1 or 2? This is a term I do not recognize. L-1 stands for "one vote from being hammered", L-2 = "two votes from being hammered" and so on. Used in instant majority lynch games. | ||
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On January 04 2014 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This is a pointless convo imo. Im actually liking gum/yam +1 maf I think thrawn is mafia. | ||
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I think gumshoe is scum for what i have said in thread. I think thrawn is scum for not giving reasons for his "rayn might be scum" read. It makes no sense because he is unwilling to clarify his thought process behind his read. Thinking i could be fakeclaiming is not alignment indicative. Not giving reasons for "why" is. I don't think thrawn has any reasons for thinking i could be fakeclaiming and is using "he did that in another game" as a reasoning, which is not legit. That is not a reason why i would do it this game. Also his voting / unvoting gumshoe is fishy, because it makes no sense. He gives town the hammer but at the same time says "do not hammer". That's not how voting works. You vote for kill mafia, if you are not confident enough about your vote yet, you don't vote. Hammer gumshoe - vig thrawn. Profit for D2! Good night. <3 | ||
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On January 04 2014 12:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: this has the potential to be really really awesome. FTFY | ||
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I'll shut up for some time so people can actually talk and we don't end up with a clusterfuck like D1 lynch. I was roleblocked. | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:05 Hopeless1der wrote: I thought i had you caught in a lie sorry rayn  Do you believe sent and CC about their claims? Why should i not believe them? | ||
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On January 04 2014 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: catching up now On January 05 2014 12:01 kushm4sta wrote: FINALLY I GET TO PLAY. Unfortunately the game is already near solved. Kind of a disappointment but w/e. I'll read some filters tonight. 2) alakaslam (filter) ? 4) Hopeless1der (filter) ? 5) Raynpelikoneet (filter) ? 6) coagulation (filter) ? 7) [UoN]Sentinel (filter) confirmed town 8) Yamato77 (filter) ? 10) Mr. Cheesecake (filter) confirmed town On D1 you said you were catching up. Why did you end up not catching up then? | ||
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yamato town. just town. His early suspicion on thrawn doesn't look like a bus. Plus process of elimination (I already have one too many scummers lol) kush explain this read, preferrably with quotes. | ||
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If you do not do this you are mafia. I am a parity cop and tried to check thrawn, got roleblocked. | ||
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You, yamato, are one of the most obvious town players there is on the planet. You have opinions as town, at least when the game is on D2 and there are two flips which one of them is mafia, and night actions to analyze. The only thing you can come up with is a bullshit theory about scum shooting their own and all the blues in the game fakeclaiming with no counter claims. This is like the most obvioius mafia catch in the game. | ||
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You made a case on Hopeless based on him proposing a random lynch and his voting behavior. 1) The random lynch is in fact a random lynch so how is that alignment indicative? Why does proposing a random lynch at the start of the game make Hopeless mafia? 2) Where exactly is Hopeless soft-defending gumshoe on D1, i can't see it? 3) If you are stanfding behind your accusation of Hopeless soft-defending gumshoe, how can you say you were not doing the same thing? In my opinion you (using your terms and logic) are "soft-defending" gumshoe just as much as Hopeless as your voting behavior and stance on random lynch matches exactly Hopeless' on D1. 4) Who is the other mafia in your opinion besides Hopeless? | ||
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There are three blue claims. Me, Mr.SexyCake, and Sentinel can't all be mafia, so there are 2 scenarios he is considering: 1) Mr.CC and Sentinel are both fake-claiming and i am telling the truth. This can't possibly be true because that would mean there would be another blue claim and they would have shot their own scumbuddy. Town mislynched on D1 so instead of trying to mislynch on D2 they are giving town a mislynch by shooting their scumbuddy and instantly losing the game if someone claims blue on D2 (if someone claims we lynch one of Sent/CC or the blue claim - if the blue claim turns up blue, scum lose). This is ridiculosu to even consider. 2) I decided to fakeclaim parity cop 1h into the game instead of just not claiming. This makes no sense given that yamato knows how confident i am at my scumplay. Let's entertain a scenario that i did something very stupid (which i would never do) as mafia. The only reason i would do that as mafia is to assume there is no parity cop in the game - because one-one trade is ridiculous in a game where i can just mislynch 2 townies and win the game. There is no counter-claim. I have gained the town credit i was looking for. Good. What's my next move. I decide to buss my teammate thrawn by asking a vigilante to shoot him on N1. I already know there is no parity cop in the game because noone counter-claimed me, so the reasonable assumption is that there is a vigilante in the game. So i made a stupid and a risky claim that could end up in a 1-1 trade, when it worked, i make a stupid move that risks my scumbuddy being shot or lynched on D2 for town-credit i have already gained from my fake claim. In addition to all this stupidness thrawn, my scumbuddy, does not give me the town credit from my fake claim (which was the point of my scumteam in the first place) but instead attacks me and we go 1vs1 with him ensuring we pretty much tunnel each other on D2 - that will most likely end up in one of us getting lynched. So me, raynpelikoneet, did this as mafia, instead of... just lynching townies and playing scum as i normally do, by controlling the thread. Ridiculous. Based purely on yamato even considering something this stupid he is mafia, 100%. | ||
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On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: coag There is no amount of effort shown this game, which leans scummy to me. It seems like in his town games, he makes an effort to show you he is town. He doesn't do that at all here. He loves to do this too scummy to be scum shit as scum. Conclusion: SCUM On January 05 2014 17:06 kushm4sta wrote: lol coag I'm so readable. You just haven't seen my scum game recently to know how bad it looks. but yeah coag looks pretty town and I agree with his reads. yamato should be given time, obiviously. So Coag goes from scum to town for thinking yamato is scum (which you don't agree with) and because he thinks you are unreadable (which you say is incorrect). smells like bullshit. | ||
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That's not a defense as it does not answer my argument in any way. | ||
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On January 06 2014 02:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn who is town out of Coag / Kush / Yamato / hopeless because we just have to choose one, then lynch the rest for the win. We are in 6-2, which means if we mislynch we're in MYLO. So we have 1 mislynch. I am pretty sure Coag and Hopeless are town and Alakaslam is by no means anywhere near town as he is saying Hopeless is scum for exactly same stuff he did himself all D1. But yamato is mafia because he is playing so much under his standards. He basically called everyone possibly mafia but then Hopeless was the most mafia - Alakaslam town (hint: both of those guys acted quite similarly on D1). | ||
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On January 06 2014 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ANYYYWAY why is coag town? Because he has made more sense in his only real post than he has ever made in all his scumgames together. | ||
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On January 05 2014 19:44 Blazinghand wrote: With 8 alive it takes 4 to lynch Doesn't it take 5 to lynch when there is 8 alive? | ||
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On January 06 2014 07:12 yamato77 wrote: You're all retarded. You're making this a big deal. It COULD be a fakeclaim, but AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. However, I AM NOT GOING TO CONSIDER HIM CONFIRMED TOWN just because of his cop claim. I'm done talking about it, all of you have literally zero reason to call me mafia for playing the game ignorant of stupid Rayn claims. My claims arew never stupid and i am policy lynching you for this in addition to all scummy things. | ||
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On January 06 2014 14:43 yamato77 wrote: Your day 1 was: 1) Super active. 2) Had a clear push to it. The only thing I can fault you for is that you never really explained why you wanted to lynch gumshoe very well. 1) And achieved what? 2) A stupid push on me. Who cares what anyone did on D1? If you are going to find mafia based on D1 activity the scum are you and kush. | ||
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On January 06 2014 14:54 yamato77 wrote: He asked a specific question about a read I made off of information from D1. This is just silly tunneling, rayn. Let me get this straight. You have said your meta read on both of Hopeless & Alakaslam is that they are useless. On D1, both of them played exactly the same. - Slam talked about lurker lynch, Hopeless talked about random lynch. - In the end both voted for gumshoe after "soft-defending him" (if you wanna call it that). Now, how the fuck can one of them be totally town and the other one totally scum? | ||
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So yeah, if yamato and kush are not mafia i dunno what the fuck is going on in this game. | ||
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- Then he does not call kush out for kush's bullshit reads which i have pointed out. - Then he calls Hopeless mafia and Alakaslam town because both are usually useless and both did exactly same shit on D1. | ||
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On January 07 2014 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Then vote him? Not yet, when i am finished with dinner i'll reread the thread. No need to hurry. | ||
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It's pretty obvious he is mafia. 1) Saying Hopeless was not trying to find mafia but instead tried to find a place to put his vote on: On January 04 2014 08:10 yamato77 wrote: Between gumshoe and rayn, I would rather lynch rayn. Hypocrite. 2) Saying "rayn's claim cannot be trusted because he has fakeclaimed multiple times as mafia. Totally incorrect. I have never fakeclaimed as mafia other than in Witchcraft - in a game where i literally had to claim something because if i was town i would be blue. Another guy did the same incorrect argument, yeah it was [red]thrawn. 3) Not realizing Hopeless has to be town because of what happened in D1 and on D2. Everyone who has a possibility to be scum are "sure" Hopeless is mafia. "Confirmed" townies said Hopeless is town and yamato is mafia. On D1 everyone followed me into a mislynch. Why not do that on D2? No, instead mafia decides to bus Hopeless and not lynch yamato, a player who is really good as town - when they can easily just join the "follow the rayn train" and not get accused of it later. Bullshit. 4) yamato is not realizing Slam/kush/Coag's really bad posts which are full of errors. TLDR; yamato is not this bad and does not use incorrect logic as town. He can be farily inactive and post oneliner or whatever, but when he says something it makes sense. There is no good logic in his reads in this game.[/i] | ||
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On January 05 2014 05:00 yamato77 wrote: I'm glad to know I was right about thrawn. Will post the reads I hastily formed during the night phase shortly. This is probably the most hilarious post in the thread. yamato di never say a singe word on thrawn D1. <3 | ||
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Mafia needs to shoot 3 people, this night, next night, then no-lynch in MYLO. The basically have to shoot me, Sentinel and Cheesecake. That means, if yamato is town, that he will be alive in LYLO. Would you, as mafia, not lynch him now, when you have been given a perfectly fine chance of doing so?? Would you instead buss your scumbuddy Hopeless? No fucking way, because after that your shots are decided - and you have to deal with town!yamato, who is, while now playing terribly, not guaranteed to not get his shit together until D5. Again, no fucking way mafia did not lynch yamato / accuse him with me. | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:59 DarthPunk wrote: Hopeless1der (2) - Yamato77, Alakaslam, Alakaslam (2) - kushm4sta, Coagulation Yamato77 (4) - Hopeless1der, [UoN]Sentinel, Raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake I am fairly certain there is one mafia in Alakaslam votes, especially if he is town. If yamato somehow flips town i would look into that pool - even consider both of them mafia. kush is extremely fishy with his reads. I pointed out the flaws in his reads on yamato, Coag and Slam, and he just went "you are right, i didn't read well enough". That's why i called all of his reads bullshit. Coagulation did that weird jump to Hopeless based on his scumreads statement, that's also suspicious. I dunno what to think about Slam, he is just meh. While he is making sense in a way that his posts are readable that's a bullshit reason to call him town - just because he writes coherently does not make him town. If yamato is scum Slam has a fair chance of being his scumbuddy, yamato's reasoning for Slam being town is quite shitty. I still think Hopeless is town, mainly because of his reckless attitude towards the lynch on D1 (compare to thrawn who was vary careful with his vote) and him being the target for all unconfirmeds on D2 + his "martyring" which read to me as frustration rather than wanting to bullshit something. | ||
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If you can do that i'll take my vote off you instantly. | ||
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I've addressed the claim situation, you're taking this a bit far. You fakeclaim often as both alignments, I do not trust you at all in any situation involving claims. I literally said i fakeclaim often as mafia so back up your statement. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:33 yamato77 wrote: That is literally the dumbest thing to harp on in everything I've posted. No it's not. Why the fuck would you make fucking incorrect statements as town?! There is not a single reason you should be incorrectly discrediting me. None. If you can give me a good reason why you intentionally lied then we can talk about something else. There is absolutely no reason to do so, fucking confirmed mafia thrawn did the same shit and it outed him to me. | ||
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You not realising it does not make me or my claim stupid, it makes you stupid. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I literally said i fakeclaim often as mafia so back up your statement. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:41 yamato77 wrote: I meant jointly. Not independently as either alignment. If you think i fakeclaim cop as either town or mafia one hour into the game when there is literally no fucking reson to do so you are absolutely terrible at this game. You didn't even look at my reason for why i claimed, which was i wanted you and thrawn to scumhunt me and not consider me as possibly scum because my role is useless for me because if i do not die on N1 or N2 i am doing something wrong in this game and town will lose. Instead both of you and thrawn (who was btw mafia) decide to not weigh the reasons for me to truthfully claim as town but you discredit me and decide to not scumhunt with me. That's fucking stupid, you are not even thinking my reasons for claiming, you are discrediting me "because rayn has fakeclaimed before", in situations that are ENTIRELY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN IN THIS GAME! That's bullshit yamato, so much bullshit. | ||
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That would be reasonable. Unless you are mafia and know when you flip Hopeless becomes "confirmed" and you don't wanna out your scumbuddy. So why are you being stubborn and not taking different approach? | ||
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And yamato please do not call Slam town because you are able to read what he writes, i don't think that's a good reason to call someone town. | ||
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Hopeless explain how does that make Coagulation mafia over kushmasta and slam who have similar inconsistancies in their reads? Like, kush literally gave out reads that were based on something the person never did in this game. | ||
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On January 04 2014 12:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: dont hammer gumshoe at least until tmrw. I agree yam is not his usual awesome gosu townie self, so im scummy on him. Im sure rayn and slam are town. Idk about sent, didnt like his entrance it was scummy but hes slowed down and had some ok posts. Hopeless hasnt done much but its more thsn when hes maf. And gum has had some scummy stuff like piggy backing off yamato bringing up my opener and never following it up.kush and coag... null obv. So that leaves in order from scum to town gum yam kush / coag / sent hopless slam rayn me Idk where thrawn lies in this yet. Yay lists froom phone Does anyone think this is WIFOM? Why was yamato not shot on N1? If i was mafia in anyone's shoes in this game (not counting me/yamato) and i knew rayn & yamato were town i would assume rayn will get protected in case of medic. Just because he accused thrawn and even if my team shoots him thrawn will get lynched for it most likely on D2. Why the fuck would anyone shoot Mr.CC over yamato if yamato is town? Especially wanting kushmasta, Coagulation and Alakaslam to contribute on this one. Hopeless will ofc say "because yamato is scum" and yamato will say "WIFOM or whatever i was useless" . | ||
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Cheesecake has no read on thrawn. Cheesecake thinks yamato is mafia, he is his top scumread. This would imply Cheesecake is on the wrong track, hell he can be even blamed on D2 for hammering gumshoe. So again, if you think yamato is town, why did mafia shoot a person who was on a wrong track on D1 and did not have a scumread on the flipped scum? Why did mafia let yamato - a possible town leader - alive on N1? If this is in fact the case and this is WIFOM, why is mafia not bringing this up to mislynch yamato? This is a reasonable assumption, why is mafia not using that as their advantage if yamato is town. | ||
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On January 07 2014 13:33 yamato77 wrote: Just for the record, Hopeless has used this logic multiple times now. I don't think it's necessarily fault logic but it's no use of discussing it with you as you'll obviously disagree. I wanna know what kush, coag and slam think about this. | ||
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X = slam,coag,kush | ||
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More interested in everything else. | ||
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Which one of kush/Coag is mafia and why? | ||
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Whichever of Hopeless/yamato we lynch that affects the next lynch, and right now you are refusing to contribute to Coag/kush so you look pretty bad. So could you give actual reasons for one of them being mafia over the other one? Make a scum case and a town case because if you are town and you think Hopeless is scum they can't both be scum. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote: You can't put "confirmed townies" in quotes like that and bitch at me for not just acquiescing to your confirmedness. It's just not cool. Why do you post shit like this instead of something useful? | ||
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So why do you think mafia hit MR.Cheesecake. There is always a reason why mafia kills who they kill, what do you think was their reason? | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:03 yamato77 wrote: You know my read of everyone in the game. I will go through those three again later after some rest. And instead of doing this you bash me for not doing scumhunting while that's exactly what i am doing and you are just posting shit like: On January 07 2014 15:58 yamato77 wrote: You can't put "confirmed townies" in quotes like that and bitch at me for not just acquiescing to your confirmedness. It's just not cool. On January 07 2014 16:25 yamato77 wrote: I've posted plenty of useful things. Do your own scumhunting instead of badgering other people to do it for you. So if you are town please cut the crap and do what you promised to do. | ||
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"He has said stuff that i can understand and i think his scumplay would look like this." This is not a read. This is your read on Coag (notice no posts from Coag between these changes): + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: coag There is no amount of effort shown this game, which leans scummy to me. It seems like in his town games, he makes an effort to show you he is town. He doesn't do that at all here. He loves to do this too scummy to be scum shit as scum. Conclusion: SCUM Coag makes his big post. On January 05 2014 17:06 kushm4sta wrote: lol coag I'm so readable. You just haven't seen my scum game recently to know how bad it looks. but yeah coag looks pretty town and I agree with his reads. On January 05 2014 18:25 kushm4sta wrote: coag is actually super town for realizing this. coag: this is dead on This is btw dead wrong. When i ask about it kush does not change his read on Coag but that makes Alakaslam more scummy.. On January 06 2014 02:33 kushm4sta wrote: i thought coag's post was really insightful actually. his ratio of insight to effort pwns everyone else in this game. that is of why i fear he may be busing. I see it like this: If alaka is town, which is possible i guess but I doubt it, coag is town. If alaka is scum, 30% chance coag is busing. From supertown -> bussing. On January 06 2014 09:00 kushm4sta wrote: honestly i don't think coag would taint the sanctity of his town badge And back to town. On January 07 2014 01:16 kushm4sta wrote: i'm not ready to swear coag is town but I think he's town. On January 07 2014 03:09 kushm4sta wrote: coag -alaka scumteam calling it now Into scum. Notice that Coagulation does not make a single alignment indicative post between here, other than votes for Alakaslam, something kushmasta wanted him to do. That should be a town tell. The whole read is full of shit and makes zero sense. This is your read on yamato: kush: "yamato is town because of reason X". rayn: "point out to me where yamato did X" kush: "you are right, there is no X" Then you call yamato scummy for various reasons. But in the end he is town. No reasoning given. This is not a read, this is bullshit. This is your read on Hopeless: You point out many stuff you think Hopeless has done that is really scummy in your opinion. Conclusion: Hopeless is a lynchbait and town. This is not a read, this is bullshit. And that's it. That's why you are scum. Your reads are based on nothing, nothing at all. They are full of contradictions and change with no reasoning. | ||
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On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: hopeless His position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense. First he soft defends him. To this: Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him. Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting. Conclusion: SCUM Into this: On January 07 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe? [QUOTE]On January 07 2014 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote: This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy. Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen [quote] [QUOTE]On January 07 2014 02:46 kushm4sta wrote: i tihnk i might have just had that moment when i realized my scumreads are shit[/QUOTE] Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him mafia -> Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him town. Guess who does not read filters as mafia. kushmasta. | ||
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From this: On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: hopeless His position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense. First he soft defends him. To this: Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him. Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting. Conclusion: SCUM Into this: On January 07 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe? On January 07 2014 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote: This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy. Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen On January 07 2014 02:46 kushm4sta wrote: i tihnk i might have just had that moment when i realized my scumreads are shit Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him mafia -> Hopeless' stance on gumshoe makes him town. Guess who does not read filters as mafia. kushmasta. | ||
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Coagulation just idk.. just says whatever and votes for whatever. Alakaslam is not making any sense and refuses to give detailed reads. yamato refuses to play and calls me stupid instead. Hopeless is making some sense but it's pretty easy when noone else is making any sense. When asked to do something does nothing. I have no fucking idea what to do. | ||
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Sentinel why the fuck did you vote for yamato on D2 - i specifically wanted all of those people to contribute? | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote: Nah I made a legit case on scum day 2. you ignored it. Thats not called "not doing anything the entire game" Yeah and then your scumread asked you to vote for another townie and you did so. Then you hammered that person. Didn't look too fancy. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:09 yamato77 wrote: Because he wasn't reading. You were the only one that even half read my posts out of all the town players. Yes i did and i wanted to lynch into kush/Slam/Coag. Most likely kush because all of his reads were crap, i just wanted them to speak before making a decision. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:21 Coagulation wrote: no that was kush. I cant read kush very well so it was 50/50 at that point I was just going with general town flow because no one recognized my read on slam and I started to assume it was bad cause everyone ignored it. I mean you had a scumread on yamato. then he asked you to vote for hopeless, and you did so. Ultimately you ended up voting for yamato, the dude who asked you to vote for another dude and did hell of more stuff than Hopeless on D2. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:30 Hopeless1der wrote: this is why i voted coag btw. i thought it was a tossup between kush/slam Seriously?!?!?!? KUSH HAMMERED HIS TOWNREAD WHO WAS VOTED BY BOTH OF HIS SCUMREADS! God... | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:42 thrawn2112 wrote: who all thought i was scum at the end of D1 You were clearly scum. | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I probably helped it along a lot more than people think even if I semi outed myself doing so My main reason for you being scum was because you would not tell me why would i fakeclaim and you used a bullshit argument (which btw yamato used aswell) comparing this game to Witchcraft where I HAD TO CLAIM SOMETHING. Of course i fakeclaim as mafia when as town i would be blue. | ||
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I love games where there are only little tiwm (MYLO D2). It forces people to play. | ||
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On January 07 2014 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town i would assume you would be willing to admit you made a mistake and instead of banging your head against the wall with voting for Hopeless you would say something like "okay guys, since you CC/Sent/rayn want to lynch me over Hopeless let's try it this way. At least take your votes off me, because it's clear me and Hopeless are not both mafia, let me and Hopeless give reads on Coagulation/kush/Alakaslam and discuss those reads, because there is at least one mafia in that pool". That would be reasonable. Unless you are mafia and know when you flip Hopeless becomes "confirmed" and you don't wanna out your scumbuddy. So why are you being stubborn and not taking different approach? When you started doing stuff i reconsidered. Then, when i ESPECIALLY stated i want to hear from ALL of other people (Slam,Hopeless,kush,Coag), ALL of those people decided to hammer. + Sentinel, that was the worst vote of D2. | ||
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On January 09 2014 06:44 Blazinghand wrote: I think the D2 LYLO (which is what happens if scum hits and the vigi misses) is pretty solid also, though it's best with IML where on D2 town can take some time to think if they need to. What do people think of the silent nights? I actually really like them. I think a lot of night talking has the potential to be dumb. The downside is that last minute claim shenannies and crumbs that happen at night can't happen (though maybe this is an upside?) In any case any input on that would be great. Night talk helps town. For example, if there was night talk in this game i could have told at least kush is mafia on N2 (but on the other hand i am not sure if thrawn could have convinced Sentinel of not being scum). | ||
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On January 09 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote: Interesting. Do you think night talk is fun/good? Like if it's a slight town helper, and we got rid of it while still keeping the game balanced in some other way (adding IML, or whatever) would that be an improvement to the fun factor? Or would it make the game less fun? It helps in a sense that there is +1 townie (the night kill) to analyze the results of the lynch and votes. Kinda important especially in IML games imo. | ||
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Day 1 lynches are worse than random and it's pretty easy to see why. Day 1 is the worst for town and the best for scum, statistically scum is going to mislynch the shit out of town a vast majority of the time on day 1. On day 1 town has no information-the game is about catchup. Mafia, on the other hand, know what all the alignments are and are under no particular suspicion of their own. And this is exactly why i claimed. And found 1 scum 1 town scummy as hell - 5 town reads of which 4 were correct, 2 null because they did not post (which was my fault anyways). | ||
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