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On February 15 2012 05:31 EchelonTee wrote: oof I'm tempted. I'll do resistance 3 when it comes. Anyways, do you think there is ever a scenario where the leader SHOULDNT send themselves on a team? | ||
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On December 24 2013 10:52 FirmTofu wrote: 1. You get one chance to vote, so make it count. 2. That is correct, spies cannot communicate with one another at all. (Not even in a quicktopic) We cant change our votes though (unless I misread you rayn) | ||
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On December 27 2013 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmm.. okay. Anyways Hopeless, you seem to have played Resistance. Why would you not have an opinion of if the leader should not pick themselves in any situation? I find it hard to believe tbh. I think the leader should ALWAYS pick themselves. Sitting yourself out of a team is like self-voting for a lynch imo. If you know you are of the resistance, you should absolutely be going in your mind. Unless the game has been trivialized because the spies derped and all 3 sabotage the first mission, I think the leader is always going to have a spot on the team. I would vote no on any team that didnt include the current leader for this reason, regardless of what town sentiment was at that time. | ||
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On December 27 2013 10:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hi everyone! Glad to see game's finally started :D I agree with rayn. In Resistance 2 I picked BH and VE, two really town seeming guys (I think we even had 2/3 of the scumteam at that point), but I wasn't trustworthy so Sent-BH-VE got rejected. I don't think there's anything scummy about picking 3 people everyone or almost everyone thinks is town, even if you're not one of those 3. Lets suppose at least 1 of those 3 go on to fail a mission. Are you, as leader, culpable in the failure? | ||
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On December 27 2013 10:37 Adam4167 wrote: It should be a consideration, not a slam dunk. But there is at least one spy on the team, that is concrete information. So you look at the leaders motivations for sending each person on the team. but now, you've coerced a player into doing "town's" bidding without having a clear view of his motive. I find that the vote mechanics serve to control how you view players much better than forcing the teams that people want to see. Since we have up to 5 opportunities to get this done each round, I'd rather be confident in my read of the leader (and subsequently his selected companions) than have to second guess his motives down the road. I'm not saying that each round is going to slam-dunk. I think that the consideration should FOLLOW the team being selected when people vote on it, and the leader should be playing to their optimal scenario. | ||
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On December 27 2013 11:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wouldn't "optimal" imply a scenario that you have control over, as opposed to the next person in line? I guess optimally would be the team that best fulfills the conditions where the members are all town and Vote consensus=Yay. You have more control over the team selected and less control over the vote consensus. If we're talking in absolutes, then yes - if I know a team with me in it will be rejected, I shouldnt put it up there. However, I am very hesitant to believe the game will get to the point where I assume everyone thinks I am a spy. | ||
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On December 27 2013 12:25 Grackaroni wrote: We definitely need to be willing to vote for missions that don't include ourselves; otherwise, we would just get stuck with the final leader's selection. But, if you think you can feasibly get your team voted through with yourself on it then that is optimal. If 4/5 leaders all look like scum, we got other problems to deal with my friend. | ||
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I don't like the way you've reasoned to have me sit out. When talking about me, the assumption and followup thoughts are about a sabotaged mission. With rayn, you focus on a successful mission, and use the 'what if we fail' scenario to show how you can make yourself super duper townie by catching rayn. I didn't even get a glimmer of hope. That's a pretty hard-ass stance to take against me considering how little your reasoning takes into account my play this game. Why do you assume I will neglect to explain myself? I don't need to be verbose, I need to be transparent. You don't seem to see any value in me as a player based on your reasoning. I dislike that very much, I didn't know how little you thought of me. | ||
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You seem predisposed to the condition that I am going to lurk, and that is a fair assumption since I do it all the time. Since this game has no lynch or death mechanic to deal with lurkers, how do you propose people get concrete information about me? By your own reasoning, players like VE and rayn are going to be able to demonstrate their township through activity and leadership. The mission are a very weak cop-check and could serve to give more information on harder to read players so that the strong/vocal players can develop stronger reads. | ||
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On December 28 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote: No. I don't like that. You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated. Why I do not want liabilities to go on a Mission 1. Let's say we send Chairman Ray/[UoN]Sentinel/Hopeless on Mission 1 and it fails. What will you do then? One of those is scum but all 3 will probably(?) not have the biggest filter and shit is hard when there are no flips. But then you have your townleaders with the biggest filters (aka rayn/VE/Koshi/...) that don't really know who to trust and what to do. It's not optimal. Let's say that we send rayn/VE/Cora and mission succeeds. Then I know for a fact that 50% of all the post on Day 2 will be made by townies. For a fact. So easy. So nice. That doesnt solve the liabilities. I'm also not suggesting we send a team of 3 tossups, I'm suggesting we send 1 liability to gather information on them since they are unlikely to provide it themselves. As an aside, you do NOT know for a fact that a successful team is 100% town. | ||
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VE get to work. You're up to bat. | ||
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On December 29 2013 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This leader order is upside-down from what my optimal leader order would be. I disagree. rayn, assuming he's town, is going to be able to push his team like no ones business at a time when the pressure is on for both parties. I'd like to believe rayn can build a solid team when he gets his turn. Guys we should totes approve every team that gets put up so those last guys dont get to be leader huehue. | ||
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On December 29 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote: Maybe somebody can fill me in if it is typical for the first mission to be passed on the first attempt? I'm more alarmed that it is actually passing right now than there being some resistance. I already know that 1/2 of those resisters are not nay voting because they know it's an all town team. Break this down for me Grack. ELI5 | ||
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such town many discussion + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vqYuG.gif) What is the official numbers required for each team and the sabotages required for each mission? It is not in the OP. Is it this? On December 25 2013 01:42 FirmTofu wrote: Thanks for the input everyone. I'll go with 3 4 4 5(2) 5. We can always change this for the next resistance game if it doesn't work out. | ||
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Thanks VE | ||
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Koshi who do you plan to send for your team? Sentinel what "mistake" do you refer to? | ||
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On December 30 2013 05:40 Corazon wrote: Hey hopeless, do you want to tell us why you are voting nay instead of trying to ninja your vote? I dunno, maybe VE can explain why he puts up a team without putting it out for discussion first. He introduces 3 new players, none of which have been sufficiently scrutinized imo. Sentinel is the one I'm most confident calling town of the 3. You and VE are sketchbags imo(no offense) | ||
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On December 30 2013 05:59 Corazon wrote: Hopeless, do you think Koshi is town and why Yes, and I don't remember exactly why. Something about how he's trying to convert mafia knowledge to resistance knowledge and his appealing to veterans to guide the way for us made me think he had an idea of a plan that would push town in the right direction, even if he had nothing to do with finding that right direction. On December 30 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since you ninja'd me Hopeless, i see you disagree with me on Cora, so, what exactly is your read on Cora and why? There were points against koshi about how he wasnt trying to discern alignments. Cora is doing the same thing with Koshi, but worse, he's actively discrediting him. Koshi was assuming I just wouldnt post much and that sending me on a mission was a losing endeavor because even if we succeed you get little benefit from having me "confirmed" since I wouldn't do much with it. Cora is telling people to ignore Koshi because he's trolling too much and wont allow him a word in edgewise. On December 30 2013 06:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I for one remain unconvinced there was any scumslip there. I think koshi is more likely to be town for thinking its a scumslip though, regardless of if there really is one. @Rayn's question from list post Hopeless one question, why did you yay-vote Adam's team as he was null for you? Probably a similar reason that Koshi was willing to consider Yay'ing VE's team if he commited to a townread on you: It was worth risking a failed mission to "confirm" a spy. In my case, Adam was a statistical tossup as first leader. I looked at his suggesting-a-team post and thought it was more likely he was town than scum, but in the same breath second guessed myself into calling him null. I think I have a good read on you. If we failed our mission, I'd be convinced Adam was the spy. That information is worth the failed early mission to me. | ||
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On December 28 2013 08:38 Corazon wrote: After looking at Hopeless again, I really do like his posts. His contributions have been very excellent and I don't mind his nomination at all. I'm also okay with Rayn and Adam as nominations. I want to hear some more questioning and activity from everyone b/c the only scum/spy read I have right now is Koshi. This felt way too easy of a +1 without any critical thought behind it. I didn't like this post. Combined with associative I think Koshi is town -> Therefore Cora scum. | ||
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On December 30 2013 06:54 Corazon wrote: Hopeless, you think Koshi has town, yet you overlook the fact that he has barely contributed to the discussion and has only attacked people for superficial reasons. Your scum read on me is based on the fact that you think Koshi is town, so your logic is faulty. Don't say I've only been +1ing people when I've been contributing a lot more to the thread than you. The OMGUS is strong with this one. I didn't overlook shit with koshi. I have him as town despite his poor reasoning and his superficial attack on me. My scum read on you is not solely based on koshi association. I never said you're only +1ing. I said the +1 to me being town was scummy. Get wrecked. [Hr] VE you never brought up any reservations on me or rayn regarding why Adams team failed. Nor did you try to gauge reactions to your team before it was LOCKED in for your turn as leader. Very passive play bordering on foolish. Adam nayed himself to allow us more room for discussion. You just narrowed that discussion to your team for no reason almost immediately. That's not cool at all, I think its scummy. | ||
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On December 31 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: So seriously, where the fuck is everyone? weekend/holiday get togethers gone awry? | ||
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On December 31 2013 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'd rather have a team to go through and then see people's reactions. It'll even generate discussion. On December 31 2013 10:08 Corazon wrote: I'd rather just pass this team b/c Koshi is the next pick and I'm automatically vetoing anything with him in it. Rayn/VE - why haven't you made a decision on the team yet? You two have been the most active this "cycle" and you haven't voted yet, so I'm wondering what you two are waiting for. The mentality behind these Yay's is so fucking scummy my eyes hurt. VE is leader, his opinion is known. The vote is of little consequence as far as "getting information" until VE decides to tell us hes team was a joke for reasons such as outing the scum team huehue bullshit. Rayn doesnt want to give spies "the right answer" and is holding his vote accordingly. Good for rayn. Auto-veto'ing Koshi is just fine. If you can find compelling reasons to consider VE and Sent town, fine, pass it. However, do not pass this team just to spite Koshi. That's hands down the stupidest reason I've seen to vote Yay so far. | ||
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On December 31 2013 06:11 Koshi wrote: Haven't had much time. I shall not pick myself for missions btw. Unless you really want to. My fav team would be rayn, hopeless and myself. 100% town. Literacy is a good skill toi have | ||
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"blind trust" And you've tried to tell me you contributed more to the game than I have? Puh lease. | ||
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Who needs convincing? | ||
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On January 02 2014 10:01 Corazon wrote: You joined my game. Last warning before GM has to hear about this issue again. You can freely choose to not talk to him. Technically you can also refuse to send him on missions, but do you not see why there is a problem with using your out of game problems to influence ingame mechanics? | ||
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On January 03 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh shit i totally forgot CR. I could not ffs find the fifth person that you were talking about and thought it could be scum communication. I was trying to find something that makes sense from the thread after you made the case on VE and we talked about it and other stuff. I still can't understand why the hell suddenly after that, everyone just yay-votes the team with zero discussion. Even VE, who had you as a scumread and really the only thing you talked about was your case on him. I conclude Koshi is the spy. | ||
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On January 03 2014 06:22 Corazon wrote: Guys, look at hopeless flopping around like a fish because he has nowhere to hide. Develop a cohesive argument instead of pouring gasoline on me please. This is all because I called you scum. Get over yourself. Remember how you shot the medic in Titanic, then proceeded to rage when people told you that you goofed? Get your fucking act together. | ||
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On January 03 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote: What is your conclusion if Koshi is not a spy. That is an incredibly stupid question considering there is only 1 possible answer I can give. | ||
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On January 03 2014 09:38 Chairman Ray wrote: I felt I had to make that obvious statement after Grack saying "I cannot understand from a townie perspective someone being ok with both of those teams when he is on neither of them." Not sure if he's referring to someone yay voting a team they're not on, or yay voting 6 unique players, but just in case it's the former, it doesn't hurt to reiterate. I've seen town players downvote a team based off that illusion of safe play before, and although it's pretty much mandatory of mission 5, you don't wanna do it on mission 2. Grack is calling you scum because of the latter case. We're gonna need some more wisdom out of you. | ||
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On January 03 2014 21:17 Koshi wrote: meh. Don't think rayn would go after Hopeless so hard so fast. Bussing me is an almost guaranteed win for rayn, he looks so town. Good thing you're a spy Koshi <3 | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just scumslipped but i am not scum because i am not bussing you. I just figured you out. I assure you I am not a spy, I'm just blowing holes in poor logic for funsies. Adam/Koshi/CR spyteam | ||
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@Grack Send VE's team + yourself Grackaroni, VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon | ||
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This: On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote: So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless Who needs convincing? Was largely in response to this (btw dat red stuff doe): On January 01 2014 05:11 Koshi wrote: Well if you feel confident about CR scum. I feel confident about Adam/VE then a Cora/rayn/Hopeless party looks pretty cool. I think it is better than me in case one rayn/Hopeless is scum. better for me at least. Grack townish but didn't do enough to also take on a Mission tbh. The things I like are his early town read for Hopeless and his posts concerning the first team. Like saying he would nayvote regardless the first team was and saying that the team already passed while a couple people still had to vote. Kinda makes him look like he is in the dark. I had not changed my mind, I was feeling out whether people would approve a team of you-me-cora since the existing team was on the cusp of being passed, and we needed to find another townie. On January 01 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Looks like rayn/Hopeless/Koshi has already passed with 5 votes if we got Sentinel vote of approval. On your reasoning for Cora, the fact that his behavior, posting etc, especially in regards to him banging the Hopeless=scum drum make me read him as town. Explaining this read is insulting to Cora and I don't want to incite any further flaming, so here's hoping that would suffice as an explanation. I concluded koshi is the spy because you are not the spy, I am not the spy and the mission failed. Lets suppose I am the spy, there's no chance I can paint you red. I HAVE to go for Koshi here as either alignment. | ||
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CR is a spy because I'm OMGUS'ing on him and I need to pick apart his case on me next. Koshi is spy by 50/50 elimination. | ||
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On January 03 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you say you thought Koshi is town and you thought i was town, yet you tried to convince people into picking another team than me/you/Koshi. How does that make sense? On January 02 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote: add cora for flawless victory grack | ||
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On January 02 2014 17:39 Koshi wrote: Why one? The reasons they are scum are not related. You mean that they are both 50/50 town/scum? Also, this team better not fails. rayn, Hopeless in case you are scummer consider not sending a PM to the hosts. Also, Koshi totes in the first team. Feels like getting inventor role in PYP. btw, you wanna talk of preemptive covering of bases | ||
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On January 04 2014 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I like hopeless for scum. Also I feel like this is a scumslip. It reads like Hopeless KNOWS there's only a single scum on the first mission, which is information a townie wouldn't have. You mean to tell me that you dont have rayn as almost 100% town? | ||
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On January 04 2014 00:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait Hopeless just said that didn't he? Hmmmmzzzzz.... oh gawd the mindgames too stronk | ||
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On January 04 2014 02:18 Corazon wrote: Look guys, I'm going to make this as simple as possible: Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it. Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart. After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious. And now that the team I was on failed, I've immediately said that the team I downvoted is probably all-town and needs to go today. | ||
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I thought koshi was town, so I voted yes on the team. Then it failed. Ergo Rayn or Koshi (yes, or me, kthx) is scum. Rayn is not scum because have you read his filter recently? If thats scum rayn I don't want to win this game, he's fucking earned it. Ergo Koshi is scum. | ||
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On January 04 2014 03:10 Corazon wrote: You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations? Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us. | ||
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On January 04 2014 03:28 Corazon wrote: No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team. We'll come back to this post game. You're going to eat your words. | ||
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Cora VE Rayn Sentinel Grack (Hopeless) Koshi CR Coag | ||
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On January 03 2014 20:17 Chairman Ray wrote: Eh screw it, I'll copy+paste that part over since the discussion is on that point now All of this. Every single word, in this thread, NOW. Spoiler it all at your discretion. | ||
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The way his case is written there ought to be some pretty good shit in there besides the case on me, but CR doesn't want anyone to have it. Why? | ||
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On January 04 2014 06:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Earlier you said that you were gonna pick apart my case. Now you're saying that there isn't any good shit in my case on you. We still haven't heard anything on why you disagree with my case, but you are very eager to hear my reads on other people, even though they aren't even complete. Why is this? Because your other reads dont exist and you are scum stalling and hoping this all goes away On January 04 2014 06:22 Coagulation wrote: cause FTFY | ||
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On January 04 2014 06:39 Chairman Ray wrote: You said twice that you don't agree with my case against you, yet you still haven't posted anything yet. You are doing the exact thing that you are criticizing me for. From what I see, you are the one who's trying to stall. There's evidence pointing to you being scum, yet you choose to divert the attention to anything you can grasp. I already told you that I don't want to post most of it yet because I'm not even finished writing it yet. I gave my case on you and Adam, so your defense is to try to discredit me instead of giving a single piece of evidence that you are town. It doesn't get any more scummier than this. Nah nah nah, I never claimed to have something already written down. I said I needed to do it next, and still havent. THAT is scummy on my part. I'm stalling on doing something that ultimately is going to be the same whenever I do it because there is no lynch this game and I'm in no rush. YOU said you had essays written. YOU said you don't want it out in the open. It already exists. Information that town could be using to improve its reads on you and possibly everyone you wrote about. And instead you say its more beneficial to scum than to town. why did you write it then? You don't have to do anymore work than copy-paste-post. Do you have your notes readily available? WHEN can we expect them to be revealed? | ||
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2. suggests I think you are scum Those options do not depend on MY alignment, they depend on my perception of YOUR alignment. and u scum bro. | ||
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On January 03 2014 10:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't feel comfortable sending a team including Grack at this point On January 03 2014 11:31 Grackaroni wrote: Why? On January 03 2014 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think you're scum, but it's very hard to organize my thoughts on a phone so I could be wrong. 24 hours from now or so I will have an answer. Ringing any bells there Grack? | ||
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On January 05 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure it is in my filter. pretty sure you scum | ||
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On January 05 2014 05:51 Koshi wrote: If you can't find the why in my filter, you are bad. plain and simple. No koshi. You lied. You are scum, THAT is plain and simple. | ||
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On January 03 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi: 1) What do you think of my case on Adam/Coag? 2) If there was a team suggested that consists of VE's earlier team + rayn, what would you vote? If "nay", why? 1) I had Adam as scum yesterday because how he downvoted his own team. But now I am not sure anymore. Your case is correct but I think we need to put some thought into the fact that eventually Adam made the right call to Nay the team because 1 of Hopeless/rayn is scum, I don't know if Adam did it because he is also scum or that he had the correct gutread. So is Adam scum or not? Clearly koshi knows Adam is scum and is beating around the bush to make filter noise However, I think that if Adam is scum with either Hopeless/rayn he would yay the team. There are still a lot of plays you can do when you bring 2 scummers. 1 could play weak and the other could get towncred because there is a confirmed scummer on the trip. Or you could not sabotage the mission and you suddenly got 2 scummers with a lot of towncred for mission 2/3. I am not really convinced by Adam scum atm but I wouldn't take him on next mission. Hopeless I got as 100% scum atm. Last team he suggested he "tries" to nail the 4 town that were left out of Mission 1. While he is screaming he got me pinned as scum. silly guy. So then...if I am "trying" what does that mean? I know who the 4 town are? Or is there a scummer hidden in there. From a town point of view, you think I'm scum, wouldn't you extend that to think I'm trying to protect my team and figure out why? 2) 2 scum left besides Hopeless is quite annoying. OMG there are 3 spies just like the OP says. I'm so sad, wah wah cry some more We need to select 4 townies which means that out the remaining 5 there are 2 townies and 3 scummers left. what what whaaat? Kinda insane that you need to do that while it is the basic of mafia that mafia is with less because they can work together to influence the thread. The first stage of the game is so important and that is kind of strange because early stage is favorable for scum. Many words to say that I don't know. There are 0 reasons for me to believe VE is town. While there are 2 at least to think he is scum. 1) His lies around his nayvote. 2) Not being an influence in this game at all. Cora? I don't know. It was obvious I was going to take Hopeless. If I wasn't so obvious I would say Cora town and a good bet to take. But now? It's all a bit strange. I explained it in a previous post. But Cora/VE/Hopeless? Then I am stuck with 5 other names that I am not really sure about. rayn town. (after all that hypothetical rayn/hopeless scum with adam Grack town. CR town. Sentinel town. Coag joker? If I put myself out of the picture I am left with 5 townies and 3 scummers and I need to find 4 townies out of that. I I would use random.org I would have 5/8*4/7*3/6 = 18% chance to be right (if my math is correct). Knowing that I am mostly way more wrong than randomming I am pretty fucking sad atm. tldr: mafia depression inc. [/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:35 Koshi wrote: Shenanigans wanted to see what would happen if people thought I would yay-vote. Nothing did as far as I can tell, except 2 people that wanted to see the yay vote on paper. yeah, because declaring your intentions and then not following through is really scummy. | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:37 Koshi wrote: Please explain scummotivation behind saying to yayvote and then don't do it. You wanted to bait "scum" into some vote they otherwise wouldnt do. | ||
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On January 05 2014 06:44 Koshi wrote: You probably aren't because of the shitty way you are coming after me. But it's ok. 1) Show me where I missed the reasoning for why you Nayvoted 2) refute my "shitty" coming after you. WE ARE ALL WAITING SCUM!KOSHI | ||
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On January 05 2014 07:34 Koshi wrote: meh, kinda fucked up atm. I don't really have much to do atm. I could fight to "prove" I am town but with Hopeless being as he is I think game might be over. Or maybe not and then I hope the light will be seen on Mission 5. Name my scumbuddies now. | ||
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On January 06 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tell me Hopeless, would you as scum yay-vote an all town team? If you would, why? If this team is all town and it goes through town wins the game. Okay you're probably right....but then, where does that leave your logic that Sentinel is scum for yay-voting? | ||
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On January 06 2014 03:08 Grackaroni wrote: The second mission failed. There were 3 sabotages. Yeah...nice try Grack | ||
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On January 06 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: 0 cares. I am in 0 care mode. Starting under this line. ______________________________________________ I'm gonna be really sad if this childish behavior manages to come from town. CR's massive post makes a reasonable amount of sense, but rather than being a fully objective piece, he is managing to push agenda while leaving out or ignoring certain scenarios. In particular, no matter what happened after our votes, one of Coag and I are scum, and whats more, CR is now confirmed town because he voted yay when it no longer mattered On January 06 2014 07:36 Chairman Ray wrote: **SNIP** We also have to confirm that I am town as well because I was the only other person from outside the mission to reject it. If this mission fails, there is no more room for information gathering, and we have to send all town for the mission, so I absolutely have to go on the mission. Out of the people in the mission, I feel most comfortable with rayn since he's playing most consistently good town plays, so I want him on the next mission as well. So my recommendations for the next mission: -Chairman Ray -Koshi -Rayn -??? @red: No. Hell the fuck no. For a guy who just laid out all the game theory behind every decision making process this is the biggest red flag in this game. CR is scum I guaran-fucking-tee it. Thats the scumteam. Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam. In any case, I still have 5 other players to choose from that arent those 4. I'm putting myself on the team, because we all know my preference as far as leader always goes on the mission. You're all going to downvote it, and then maybe Cora will put up a team worth watching. For the love of god make CR post his essays of reads that he promised he had. I don't care if they are finished, I care that they exist ##Propose: Hopeless1der, Corazon, VisceraEyes, Coagulation | ||
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On January 06 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote: Hopeless have you ever been this active as a scum in a game on TL? probably not. | ||
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Thats the scumteam. Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam. In any case, I still have 5 other players to choose from that arent those 4. | ||
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On January 08 2014 00:28 VisceraEyes wrote: So Koshi, what do you think about Hopeless/Sentinel/Grack scumteam? Could you put your chickens in that basket? one of koshi/rayn is scum so...that'd be bad | ||
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On January 08 2014 01:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is it that important to you? Can't you just not include him in teams? Why are you using this as an excuse to do fuck all else? you havent done much, nor has coag. Koshi is in "does not care mode". I just cant be assed anymore this game. If you think CR witholding shit is cool, then gg | ||
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On January 08 2014 06:20 Koshi wrote: If rayn is scum this is lost because nobody cares. well in that case rayn IS scum | ||
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Alright Cora, you can go ahead and throw the game now. | ||
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On January 09 2014 19:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: My question is, if your mission passes, why I can't pass mission 4. Mission 3 only requires one sabotage to fail and M4 requires 2. If mission 3 goes through, can't I just add myself to the list, use the same team plus myself for mission 4, and it should go through? Even if I was scum, there would only be one sabotage? CR respond to this, because afaik its completely true unless I'm just looking to fuck with the resistance. Besides trying to set up for mission 5, sentinel is right about this On January 09 2014 19:57 Koshi wrote: In theory true. But it would be better if you jsut add VE to CR his team. In theory you're scum. more of that later though. I have to put Koshi in the mission, and if Koshi turns out to be spy, the fault lies in those who threw the game for town. Koshi and I are in. Well if this is the case, I'd like to apologize to the rest of the town for throwing the game. So sorry. Firstly let's look at the second group. Hopeless has been confirmed as spy on multiple occasions. Break this down for me again please. Hopeless - guaranteed Sentinel - high These likelihoods have been swapped. We still need to find the spy from within mission 2. It isn't rayn, I'm sorry for accusing you it just made the most sense with CR coming in and spouting off "look at all these confirmed townies" when that was patently false. Combined with "hopeless confirmed scum" when I absolutely am not by any means confirmed anything as well as us never seeing the rest of On January 03 2014 20:06 Chairman Ray wrote: With the exception of the part about how I'm so fucking scummyHmm this is interesting. I have an essay full of reads right now, and one of my stronger ones is that Adam and Hopeless are spies together. We arrived to the same conclusion for different reasons. I'm not yet sold on Grack yet, but he's a possibility. Which btw, are we ever going to see this essay CR? I guess I have little cause to doubt you anymore, but for fucks sake... That leaves me as the only player who is capable of (correctly) believing that either rayn or koshi (or both, though unlikely) is scum. Sentinel is almost confirmed scum, or he "threw" the game harder than I did, so I can take solace in that fact I guess (sorry sent). Rayn gives too many fucks for me to call him scum anymore. As usual, if he's pulling one over on us, he's earned it. Koshi is scum. Until or unless you are willing to see that I could be town, nothing I say is going to be more than the desperate ramblings of a madman at the end of his rope. I am 99.9% confirmation biased against him with 0.01% going towards "but what if it WAS rayn". Should I even bother trying to build a case knowing that I'm going to try to paint him as scummy as I possibly can? I don't need to go on the mission, but Koshi cannot be allowed to go either or the game is over. Full stop. Close the thread and start playing the blame game on me and possibly coag. If/when that occurs, there is still the scummer in Mission 2 to decipher. + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2013 13:03 FirmTofu wrote: Proposed Team: VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon Day 1: Phase 2 Team 2 Current Leader: VisceraEyes Current Vote Count: Koshi: Nay Hopeless1der: Nay Corazon: Yay [UoN]Sentinel: Yay Chairman Ray: Yay Adam4167: Nay VisceraEyes: Yay Grackaroni: Nay raynpelikoneet: Not voting VisceraEyes's team has been rejected! Koshi is the new Mission Leader! Day 1: Phase 1 Team 3 Current Leader: Koshi Deadline to Propose a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00) Countdown: In the event that Sentinel goofed as hard or harder than I did, the nay-voters are a good bet for the scumteam | ||
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On January 10 2014 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I think you should not take Grack/Sent/Hopeless. Beyond that I'd have to see the team. ^^ yeah ve, you like me thiiiis much | ||
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On January 10 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote: So I had to consider you as scum to win. OMG SCUMSLIP. No seriously fuck you all for ignoring me. | ||
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On January 05 2014 08:57 Koshi wrote: This game is annoying to play for me Hopeless. You say I am scum but I am not. You keep going after me for the last days and I got enough of it. I will ignore you. You did a good job at draining my interest to play this game as scum, you did a pretty piss poor job in case you are town. Ignore like said starts now. You can keep yelling I am scum but the more you do it the less I will do. Right back at you buddy. Well done. You did it. Well no, the rest of the town did it, but you being the only person to actually respond to me is too much for whats been like 4 cycles at this point. I'm done. GG Scum. On December 31 2013 13:03 FirmTofu wrote: Proposed Team: VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon Day 1: Phase 2 Team 2 Current Leader: VisceraEyes Current Vote Count: Koshi: Nay Hopeless1der: Nay Corazon: Yay [UoN]Sentinel: Yay Chairman Ray: Yay Adam4167: Nay VisceraEyes: Yay Grackaroni: Nay raynpelikoneet: Not voting VisceraEyes's team has been rejected! Koshi is the new Mission Leader! Day 1: Phase 1 Team 3 Current Leader: Koshi Deadline to Propose a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00) Countdown: In the event that Sentinel goofed as hard or harder than I did, the nay-voters are a good bet for the scumteam. If he is scum its a tossup between coag and grack. I cba to figure it out for you shitheads. On January 06 2014 07:44 Koshi wrote: But I am in 0 care mode. 0 cares On January 06 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: 0 cares. I am in 0 care mode. Starting under this line. ______________________________________________ Meh. I guess I can go into 0 care mode as well, it worked so well for Koshi. | ||
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On January 11 2014 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Koshi, you don't need luck to win Resistance as town. There are no-flip setups in mafia which are balanced. This game would not exist if it was not balanced enough. I agree scum need to fuck up to lose. They have fucked up. Sentinel thought there is 7 town. Noone makes that kinda logical mistake as town. If someone does then it's their fault. Hopeless did - after that - call three other people scum. That is the next closest thing to a scumclaim. If he does that as fucking town then it's his fault. This is the information we have and this is the information we need to work with. Because there are no flips. If even one of those guys is town then fuck it, but townies should not fuck up like that because this game is literally based on those kinda analysis!! It's that simple, they are scum, and now we have 7 people where we need to find 1 scum, or rather find 2 people where there is 1 scum so we can have 5 townies on mission 4 and 5. Its frustrating that I am expected to play perfectly when I've never played in a forum setting nor did I claim to be particularly good at resistance, just that I understood the mechanics. CR used my whole "leader should always go" to call me scum because obviously I should know better. Guess what, I dont and Im bad. Gratz on dem scumhunting skillz. | ||
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On January 11 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't fucking know what to think. Maybe we should swap Koshi and Hopeless. that still leaves us wondering who is the scum on mission 2. Does my VCA for koshi/grack/adam(coag) do anything for you if you assume I'm town? It would mean that Koshi is scum and one of coag/grack are likely scum (since Sent is almost confirmed). For right now we only need 4 and then the same 4 +anyone can go next mission since it's trivial if we pass this one. | ||
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On January 11 2014 01:55 Koshi wrote: And yes Hopeless. As scum I am totally posting how this game is impossible to win and putting focus on me because it isn't 100% obvious I will go on the next mission and you won't. rofl rofl rofl. Yeah...because you win the game if you get on the next missionn and acting like you are so upset about not being able to win "looks" townie when you arent supposed to care anymore. | ||
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On January 11 2014 02:59 Koshi wrote: What do you make of Hopeless going in blind rage after me? This is perfect example. I like CR his explanation better because that is actually the truth. While what Hopeless is saying here is just fucking dumb if he is scum and he knows I am town. He is just pissing me off. Which can't help his cause. Unless he thinks he doesn't need me and is trying to play rayn like this. But really? This is the best way he can do it? Mehh. If I'm scum and manage to successfully "play" anyone, the game is over because some scummer is going to get onto the team to win the game for me. On the other hand you saying On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote: Guess I will yayvote. On January 05 2014 04:41 Koshi wrote: I will. Followed by On January 08 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote: ##Vote: Nay Is literally you lying. Is it scummy? Maybe?...Perhaps?...but its not false like you suggest it to be and I know one of you or rayn is scum so this kind of ties my hands as far as rayn looks like he gives a shit and you dont. | ||
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On January 11 2014 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Sentinel claimed scum and you proposed a scumteam that did not include him and now i have to think if you were just being dumb because now Koshi is being dumb. Why the hell do you guys need to make this game so fucking hard for me?!!?""?! 5' #t but i did include sentinel, i told you i was being butthurt. Thats the scumteam. Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam. In any case, I still have 5 other players to choose from that arent those 4. | ||
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On January 11 2014 04:43 Koshi wrote: Hopeless. I keep giving you chances to call rayn scum and team up with me. Why don't you do that? i might be completely biased, but I dont think this is true. In any case, I find rayn to be way more town than you are. | ||
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On January 11 2014 08:48 Corazon wrote: Hopeless y u so scummy? Can't tell if full troll or insulting. Leaning towards insulting. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:19 Koshi wrote: Was I really that scummy hopeless? Honestly no, rayn was just so much try harder and it had to be one of you. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:29 Corazon wrote: That wasn't OMGUS lol. I literally caught you lying about what I had said. I changed my mind cora. I was town. I didnt lie. Why would I need to as town? | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:49 marvellosity wrote: I thought Koshi looked much much better than rayn, simply because rayn is very capable of looking good as scum, and koshi's style is very hard to emulate as scum I think. I thought I knew how to read scumrayn but evidently I was wrong. I initially had koshi as town but knowing it had to be at least one of them screwed me pretty hard this game. | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:54 Koshi wrote: I tried to connect to you. But everytime I did you went straight to rayn and cuddled up to him. meh D: Well for all the early game "I'll figure out rayn etc" in addition to you going into no care mode (which I know I was a contribution) it made me more convinced rayn was town. Sorry buddy.  | ||
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