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Climate change is fine- antifa is not. I am referring to those pricks and the profs who support them.
I am Californian.
Working hard doesn’t mean lifting heavy boxes always XD I am trying to start a textiles company. Cloth can get heavy not not everything involving it is... but you have to work insanely hard in the whole industry.
I’m 29. I was emancipated. I am halfway to an associates, and it took 5 years to get the classes because my CC and the CC’s within 100 miles were packed; moving would have meant getting a job.
Sure, I could work at Kroger now; the economy is better. That’s what my older brother tells me to do. He has always hated the fact that my awkward, hyperactive self turned out to have a higher IQ. And I know IQ doesn’t mean capability but it does measure something meaningful.
GED. Meh. Maybe I will get it.
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On June 29 2019 21:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Climate change is fine- antifa is not. I am referring to those pricks and the profs who support them.
I am Californian.
Working hard doesn’t mean lifting heavy boxes always XD I am trying to start a textiles company. Cloth can get heavy not not everything involving it is... but you have to work insanely hard in the whole industry.
I’m 29. I was emancipated. I am halfway to an associates, and it took 5 years to get the classes because my CC and the CC’s within 100 miles were packed; moving would have meant getting a job.
Sure, I could work at Kroger now; the economy is better. That’s what my older brother tells me to do. He has always hated the fact that my awkward, hyperactive self turned out to have a higher IQ. And I know IQ doesn’t mean capability but it does measure something meaningful.
GED. Meh. Maybe I will get it.
Agree totally with you Slam [edit] You had uni Profs/classmates like this?! More than one? Why not report that to the school board?! People pay those bills!
Working hard means being useful! it takes you 5 years for associates?! I would be way to nosy to ask why here.. I'm 32, been going back and forth to the States since I was 16.
Textiles can be a big market but you're in the wrong area honest. Most of that is shipped over-sea. and you can do it as a home project, but I think you'll have a hard time here. More so California. That's a rough market unless you go fashion.
CC means?
I didn't mean to imply either. Just thought if you were trying to go for something GED. I got one when I was 16 and it helped me out bunches but my situation was entire different.
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Also I think IQ means very little. Mine is pretty low (measure) but I don't think I'm stupid. I can be dense. People with high can be potatoes. It's the chemistry of your brain that makes the difference. Part of the reason of my current interest  .
Kroger is a good company, they are union too. You can make almost $20/hr with them if you're not grandfathered in. Unless you are a butcher.. Running a band saw is very reasonable to ask for hazard pay ontop of that. I'm just saying it's not a bad life. Didn't know there was Kroger out there though. Fred Meyer (owned by same Kroger) was it when I was there.
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On June 29 2019 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
So what, rejecting an I.Q. of 148 (when I was 17) wasn’t a waste? No. They only regard political chanting anyway.
To be blunt, I think these I.Q. tests early in life can give a lot of people a false sense of superiority that doesn't end up serving them very well.
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And I also think for a lot of degrees (outside of engineering/hard sciences/medicine) college is mostly signaling, so if you can find a way to prove your value without a college degree more power to you.
(I think that's a much trickier thing to do though.)
I think some people are able to do that with coding by showing projects that they've done without a degree in computer science.
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On June 30 2019 01:42 Grackaroni wrote:
And I also think for a lot of degrees (outside of engineering/hard sciences/medicine) college is mostly signaling, so if you can find a way to prove your value without a college degree more power to you.
(I think that's a much trickier thing to do though.)
I think some people are able to do that with coding by showing projects that they've done without a degree in computer science.
I completely agree. I would add book keeping and to some degree and all kind of law things, even in university. (to the "outside" list i mean)
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Yes ok sorry, I might of phrased some things wrong. I don't think a degree is a show of value. I was saying some employers do find it that way. If you have an interest in learning though, don't let road blocks stop you.
Personal education is up to you. I don't care if you learned it from Harvard or Wikipedia myself.
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Yeah i know what you're saying and you're also right. In fact many employers do find it that way. Smart ones with creative ideas usually don't.
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Yeah, but the job market is oversaturated so why risk an underachiever (lower grades) or someone that never went to university when you have a plethora of 1st degree masterminds? I get, sure, you can give those people a shot and sure there will be a diamond in the rough somewhere but why fucking bother when you can filter out all that and not waste your life trying to find them?
That's the overwhelming majority of employers here, at least in fields that require degrees to proceed and to some extent office jobs.
Nobody is stopping you applying to jobs with restricted grades or degrees if you have a really amazing looking CV with lots of achievements in the respective field though (not really relevant in the top tier professions though, but that's a small amount of jobs in the whole of society).
Yes, IQ is also a terrible thing to go on. The only thing a high IQ is good for imo is picking out patterns in things and determining root causes and planning ahead more efficiently than people with lower. Even that is a bit of a stretch. IQ tests generally are just pattern recognitions.
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I'm only trying to promote learning. Get your facts lined up. Decide what is truth
I try to post helpful things about otherwise because I could.
Still remains my main thing is, why believe in something that's wrong? We can prove it's not. Here's freaking science. If you are less fortunate. (reference again) Here are ways that I got about doing it.
I just hate when people believe they have no option. You do. If you lack the way to know them, I want to help you anyway I can.
Must go to work now. I'll be mia for a while.
Edit in bold, sorry, make it clear.
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Ok. just apologies! I got worked up over something I'm passionate about. I'll continue to silence for now.
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I don't know if you misread it but certainly wasn't telling you to be silent! Education is life 
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No, I was thinkin' more along the ES is spamming up community thread with stuff.
I have a overwhelming passion to learn things. I thought I got to invested because he obviously seems fine with settling* for something else.
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I don’t hate learning. I hate institutions, and apparently not all of them. I may have been shit at choosing, but I’m too old now so whatever.
I don’t want to be arrogant. Anyone on here can see... i am not who I used to be. I would be pretty far out of my league in some jobs. But I don’t even get considered for ones I definitely COULD do, is what had me all pissy.
I think I may have developed manic depressive too, idk.
Regardless, I do have a plan now. And I will carry it as far as I can.
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On July 01 2019 10:14 Alakaslam wrote:
I don’t hate learning. I hate institutions, and apparently not all of them. I may have been shit at choosing, but I’m too old now so whatever.
I don’t want to be arrogant. Anyone on here can see... i am not who I used to be. I would be pretty far out of my league in some jobs. But I don’t even get considered for ones I definitely COULD do, is what had me all pissy.
I think I may have developed manic depressive too, idk.
Regardless, I do have a plan now. And I will carry it as far as I can.
Get this addressed. I'm bi-polar 2 and depression added with any manic episode is the same diagnoses. I'm not functional if I off meds. Not in a good way either.
And yeah, I understand you. That's what I had so hard of a time with. You can do things! Companies ignore with no degree (shit reasons but life). Just options that let you do those things out there you could use. You got a plan instead great! I wish the best for you! If I can offer any advice, I'm ditsy but I always want to help people.
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If another degree didn't cost so much I'd be doing it 
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Yeh, I have no clue on programs offered by the UK.
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I went to uni for about two years before (and during) when i started my former company 12 years ago. I studied economics and IT. I never learned any single new thing in economics. Especially marketing was bullshit in uni since the professors taught stuff that was outdated already (i worked as an account manager for a while during my time in uni and i learned like 5x more in that nine months than i did in whole two years in uni). IT was interesting though. I have also worked as subcontractor, being a stock manager. During that time i learned MES (citrix) starting from a scratch and pretty much noone to teach me since i worked on a different city than where the company was. It wasn't too hard. During yearly inventory the stock matched 98% with the books and even the main company couldn't get near that percentage, i did everything alone. I think i could do book keeping quite easily, i know what goes where and if i had a book keeping program i think it wouldn't be too hard. Unfortunately there's no way that's allowed without a degree (at least with your own company).I am also self-taught renovator (except for plumbing/electricity) and carpenter.
Idk, i don't really care about schools and degrees. I guess if i wanted to practice law that wouldn't go well unless i went to get a degree, but i have seen how that shit works and i hate it.
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Yeh, I think degree's can be over-rate. I said before that I don't care where you learn from. Sadly companies do. I wish I could do IT! Stuff is just boggling to my mind. I can put together a computer, understand component parts (if I bother to do it), some experience with SQL/C/C++/Java, but nothing to qualify my to help anyone else with it. Heh, I just order a new PC actually.. But I was lazy and didn't feel like trying to do it on my own. Used TL tech help to just give me a build and decided that it worked for me (Thanks so much to them for this!)! I hate Citrix. My company tried to switch to it and it lead to a revolt basically. I get what you mean though with the 'easy' part. I work from another COUNTRY half the time. I have to wear a pager and basically only work for them when they need someone to fix a problem. Flip around for when I'm not in the States.
People learn in different ways though.
I got my CCNA/CCNP off my brothers old books. Worth nothing for most networkers though. They where outdated. Enough for me to get my Cisco networking certs anyway.
I learned almost all of coding C/C++ because a game I use to play changed to much for me to enjoy. There was a community working on a emulator for earlier version of it, so I just joined that project. It means nothing to most but again, if you can prove you have the skill, maby it won't matter.
Last thought: You do carpentry?! What kind?? My grandfather did it as a hobby and I have a really cool replica of a 'Big Boy' steam engine he build.
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I had an associate who had a masters degree on carpentry (like furniture making kind of). We rented a workshop for over a year. He showed me the basics and i learned. Almost all my furniture are self made, mostly from oak, walnut (hazel?) or teak.
So yeah furniture, without any screws and shit, only joints with wood.
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