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On May 25 2016 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 11:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lenient immigration, strict policies for immigrants. Give everyone a chance but if they fuck it up, kick 'em out. Dunno why anyone wants anything else tbh. Even if you're only looking after your own interests, there's a bunch of smart immigrants who can contribute that'd be nice to have in your country. Yes, exactly this.
Yup.
And I have a distinct feeling moosy has no idea what he is talking about regarding the integration of immigrants. It depends a lot on their cultural background. We still have turkish immigrants who live here in the 3. or even 4. generation who are less integrated than their parents and who do not care to change that at all.
Many syrian refugees (who in my experience really do their best to integrate most of the times) are already doing far better than them. The actual problem right now are the illegal immigrants from north africa who have no future here.
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Yeah i have nothing against helping people who are in the need of help. But you gotta draw the line somewhere and i don't really get why over 50% of the people who are in the need of asylum based on the persecution they suffer from are grown men... Shouldn't they be the ones who solve the conflicts and rebuild the country? Instead of women and children who magically somehow do not end up here.
Also a good portion of the people come from places where group A and group B are in whatever kind of armed conflict. Group A gains an upper hand -> people from group B are in danger of getting killed -> they run and seek for asylum. Tides change and Group B is now winning -> same happens with people from group A... This obviously causes problems, yet not a lot of people for some reason can see how, lol. 
It's like, if me and Koshi wanted to kill each other, JAT comes in and takes both of us into his house, and somehow this makes us not wanna kill each other? Not only that but in case the obvious happens and me and Koshi start a fight it's obviously JAT's fault because he couldn't make us integrate properly.... That's how it goes nowadays.
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On May 25 2016 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah i have nothing against helping people who are in the need of help. But you gotta draw the line somewhere and i don't really get why over 50% of the people who are in the need of asylum based on the persecution they suffer from are grown men... Shouldn't they be the ones who solve the conflicts and rebuild the country? Instead of women and children who magically somehow do not end up here. Also a good portion of the people come from places where group A and group B are in whatever kind of armed conflict. Group A gains an upper hand -> people from group B are in danger of getting killed -> they run and seek for asylum. Tides change and Group B is now winning -> same happens with people from group A... This obviously causes problems, yet not a lot of people for some reason can see how, lol. It's like, if me and Koshi wanted to kill each other, JAT comes in and takes both of us into his house, and somehow this makes us not wanna kill each other? Not only that but in case the obvious happens and me and Koshi start a fight it's obviously JAT's fault because he couldn't make us integrate properly.... That's how it goes nowadays.
Well, the reason (at the very least part of it) why most of them are men is that it can be really dangerous to get over here in the first place (and it can take a long time too). Especially for women. The plan for most of them is "send the toughest ones first and they can get asylum for everyone" because then they can legally get their families to come over.
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On May 25 2016 17:23 Koshi wrote:
in the '80 a shitton of Moroccans came to Belgium to work here and the integration level is still pretty low in a lot of areas but I feel like it is slowly getting better lately. It is now the 3rd generation (aka last 5 years) that talks actual dutch on the streets/school etc. When I was 12-14 they all talked Arabian between each other, always and everywhere. So integration takes 30 years or more. Some will obviously never integrate and but the majority will.
But letting in all these Syrians is a mistake. The people who think it is ok to add a shitton of people to the lowest income bracket in a full supporting social system are fucking retarded. I can't put it in any other way... 30 years problems with the previous wave... There are still a lot of current issues with them, and most of those the government can't handle, like the prejudgment from a lot of people and companies resulting in them not getting employment as easy etc etc.
Voting for the extreme right wing parties is the best statement people can make. Not that I agree with their more extreme views or members but max 40% of the population will vote them anyway so they won't get too much power. Too many freeloaders and dumb people in this country that need the left wing party giveaways. And then a bunch of people who still believe 100% socialism is the way to go.
The population in a lot of European countries is very lopsided in terms of the elderly already. A lot of these Syrian refugees are highly educated. I really don't understand why everyone only sees the threats and not the opportunities, probably because all our governments are so mediocre. Product of democracy.
A benevolent dictatorship would be nice.
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On May 25 2016 20:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2016 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah i have nothing against helping people who are in the need of help. But you gotta draw the line somewhere and i don't really get why over 50% of the people who are in the need of asylum based on the persecution they suffer from are grown men... Shouldn't they be the ones who solve the conflicts and rebuild the country? Instead of women and children who magically somehow do not end up here. Also a good portion of the people come from places where group A and group B are in whatever kind of armed conflict. Group A gains an upper hand -> people from group B are in danger of getting killed -> they run and seek for asylum. Tides change and Group B is now winning -> same happens with people from group A... This obviously causes problems, yet not a lot of people for some reason can see how, lol. It's like, if me and Koshi wanted to kill each other, JAT comes in and takes both of us into his house, and somehow this makes us not wanna kill each other? Not only that but in case the obvious happens and me and Koshi start a fight it's obviously JAT's fault because he couldn't make us integrate properly.... That's how it goes nowadays. Well, the reason (at the very least part of it) why most of them are men is that it can be really dangerous to get over here in the first place (and it can take a long time too). Especially for women. The plan for most of them is "send the toughest ones first and they can get asylum for everyone" because then they can legally get their families to come over.
Probably, but i am not quite sure what to believe anymore since at least what media (and politicians) tells here is utter crap. I am sure though it's not the case for a loooot of people coming from there. I mean like approx every other person has mystically lost their passport (because they can't be sent back as the countries do not take people back if they can't be being proven to be from there) and any other documents that might prove who they actually are. And then they think they are gonna re-unite their families? Without even being able to prove who they are themselves? That's pretty twisted logic right there. I mean.. i wouldn't wanna call anyone stupid but if that's the realistic "plan" given the starting point (that you really do not have a passport) and you are telling the truth and seriously believe that's gonna work, and even work really damn quick (as people usually think -- or even DEMAND -- and obvs complain when it doesn't), you are not quite bright...
As for the dangerous part... Not to say it's not in any case but if this is what you are being sold to...
+ Show Spoiler +"Three people tragically drowned crossing this dangerous river on their way from Greece to Macedonia." + Show Spoiler [media] +![[image loading]](http://s33.postimg.org/64d3f94rj/joki.jpg) this is a picture from official newspaper in Finland So first of all why are those people going to Macedonia? Greece is a safe country where there is no war. Perhaps the wanted to go to Germany or someplace else (better than Greece) which is not how the system works, or should work. That makes them illegal immigrants regardless of what they think about it themselves. Also.... + Show Spoiler [reality] +.. shit, even the cameramen could not stop three people drowning into this super duper dangerous river. 
...i certainly understand why people are being sceptic, myself included.
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On May 25 2016 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:It's like, if Onegu and Koshi wanted to kill each other, JAT comes in and takes both of them into his house, and somehow this makes them not wanna kill each other? Not only that but in case the obvious happens and Onegu and Koshi start a fight it's obviously JAT's fault because he couldn't make them integrate properly.... That's how it goes nowadays.
Made it better.
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Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
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On May 26 2016 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
RIP TL Mafia
You're joking right?
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Before TL Mafia ends. Chez needs to reveal his identity and talk like a regular Internet being. In doing so, he will no longer talk merely about himself and those that interact with him. He will talk about others.
Ver, Qatol, and flamewheel you guys were the sane and orderly ones that made trolling possible by counter balancing the atmosphere with your saneness and clarity. Without you, the Showtimes!, Bill Murries, Slams, and Chezes clutter the threads and deter any newcomers. The wild antics born out of psychological minds games have become destructive. In order to cure this disease, the untamed must act tame in order to lure prey before unleashing the cray once more. When a society has gone to far, a counterbalance must be taken to save the day. At times as such where mourning is present and hearts are solemn. The earnesty of the hour is realised. No more for the time being. Let us put off our insanity. For we are scaring the children. Bring back the sanity so the insanity can rise once more.
Why do we play our personas even outside of the game? Has the meta gone too far? Has it become habit to hide your saneness? Why can't we talk normally? Why must the trolls keep trolling?
When a troll tries to speak solemnly after a departure of a dear friend that he not know but trolled. What is there to say? But when he says it is but trolls with seeps of sincerity hidden between the troll lines. Forever trolling, but sincerely revealing.
Are you your persona? Are you your Character? Can an actor stop acting when playing the same role for years? The paths are formed. I speak now in trollish for I know not how to be that which I was..
ritoky
I know not what to troll..
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
See you around - been real good playing with you, rit.
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emotional response is emotional. ull be back buddy get well
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
Ritoky. Take care man! Hope to see you back in the future for some games.
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
Wish you well.
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
First Tinfoil case was against you....
GL Rik
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Nobody ever truly leaves here, they just stop checking the forum every hour I mean day
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
I going to miss you bro I hope you feel better dude!
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kitaman27
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love you ritoky. Always remember miley cyrus.
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On May 26 2016 11:03 ritoky wrote:
Best wishes to everyone who ever played with me (even those who annoy me), I think I have just moved on in life from mafia and get no joy from it. I tried to make a comeback and see if I can rekindle the flames, but real life and my body have gotten in my way; so I will just take it as a sign that it is time to be done. I may come back to visit once every 6 months or so.
Try to be more nice to eachother, but don't lose your arrogance. You are all still the best goddamn mafia players in the world.
regards,
ritoky
Check in from time to time to talk a bit in this thread, it's not like we'll point a gun at you and force you to play mafia (especially cause you're the type who would just shoot back), it's just nice to have a place to write down stuff that isn't the newspaper commentary section or a psychology-something forum.
On May 26 2016 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:
RIP TL Mafia
Not while I'm alive.
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