EPTNever played in a game with mayoral elections or unrestricted PM's, so I'm very tempted though.
Any estimates on when this will start / end?
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Never played in a game with mayoral elections or unrestricted PM's, so I'm very tempted though. Any estimates on when this will start / end? | ||
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 /in Would it maybe be better if the Mayor could choose the Bodyguard? Or if there was some other non-random mechanism for that? It'd feel a bit stupid if the Bodyguard just died randomly to KP or was policy lynched for inactivity... | ||
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I'm not 100% sure if I can play, by the way. I'll be in the queue for now, but I might have to /obs depending on when the game starts etc. | ||
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On December 23 2013 01:53 Balla24 wrote: /in You sure you can handle a large PM game + a newbie game at the same time? | ||
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On December 23 2013 03:28 Balla24 wrote: Yes. But I was planning on outing whichever one is slower to start.. I just wanna play ^_^ I think the newbie game is starting faster at the moment. | ||
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/obs I don't think I'll have sufficient time to play Mafia in the near future. | ||
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On January 10 2014 02:29 thrawn2112 wrote: can it plz start in 5 min? ##Elect thrawn2112 | ||
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Made this to make sure of the starting time: | ||
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Haha that's 5am here... Not great for me, but I guess I can manage. | ||
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On January 10 2014 04:28 suchdoge wrote: you can add [countdown][/countdown]tags to make a time countdown as well, btw, as such: Time until game start: [countdown]January 1st, 2015 15:00 EST[/countdown] to get: Time until game start: For localized time you enter something like: Game will start at [time]January 14th, 2014 15:00 EST[/time] (with your local timezone instead of EST if applicable) to get: Game will start at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) Of course you can always plagiariase by stealing someone else's time tags through quoting them and removing everything irrelevant xD wow such help much thanks very doge | ||
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On January 10 2014 04:37 Koshi wrote: 3 hours earlier is still 2 am for central Europe. Damned. I need sleep. Work and stuff Damn UK boyz. Who needs sleep when you have Mafia? | ||
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On January 10 2014 05:01 gumshoe wrote: Anything can happen in this strange and wonderful world You better not or your slot might be taken over by Coagulation | ||
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On January 10 2014 07:34 marvellosity wrote: And these, ladies and gentlemen, are your highly skilled mafia players for this game. Indeed :D | ||
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On January 10 2014 09:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: nvm if i have a kp im killing "suchdoge" day 1 if im a dayvig or whatever he's gone, i don't care if he is the detective or the godfather of my own mafia team, i will bus him immediately. my first goal is to eliminate suchdoge, after that i will play normally ROFL | ||
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On January 10 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Earn your blueness by becoming a Mayor! Sounds like a plan Hm. On the other hand, I'm not one of the most skilled players in this game, so maybe not.. | ||
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On January 11 2014 01:59 kushm4sta wrote: best things about these games is feeling really left out because no one is pming you forever alone | ||
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On January 11 2014 03:01 marvellosity wrote: No, I think bodyguards will be announced at the start of Day 2. That's a death sentence then... Unless the Mayor is scum or misguided... | ||
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On January 11 2014 03:03 marvellosity wrote: or scum look sufficiently townie? it's only n1 after all Hm, maybe so. By the way, how long is the time period for electing a Mayor? Does D1 start after that or is the election part of D1? | ||
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I hope I roll town then :D Blue would be best. I've played like 10 games and I've only been blue in a themed game where everyone was blue (and my role was relatively weak). Well, I guess I was blue in Nuclear Mafia as well, but I completely misused my role (as did others with the same weird role). | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:10 Blazinghand wrote: Make me mayor and I'll lynch kush d1. /thread I don't really think you're a good candidate. Last time around you were confirmed town and just went all-in on a lurker. You might do the same thing here, as town or scum, and it would be a one-way ticket for a loss. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:18 Blazinghand wrote: If your typical thought about me is "blazinghand is unlikely to post enough and will probably lurk" then that's fine, totally reasonable to think. You seem plenty active now, but I'm afraid of the possible consequences if you became Mayor. Frankly, I think I'd do a better job. I've never played in a Mayor/PM game though so I'm leaning towards someone more experienced. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:26 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm a classic low content player / lurker. You're quite a salesman.... At this rate maybe I should actually run for Mayor... | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:43 gumshoe wrote: I mean, I've played one scum game, and I was terrible in it, what's more my scum partner xatalos from that game is here, so he can even call me out if he sees any similar play XD ## vote the king you can keep in check. Sadly I don't think you'd be a good choice even if you were confirmed town and wouldn't probably be going full AFK at some point :/ | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:53 gumshoe wrote: Why not, I would allow town convo to flow, stimulating it trough questions not threats and then I'd kill the scummiest player, and would you really wanna invite a scum mayor just to get someone whose " good " at the job? Also can't tell if your joking here or if you actually have this low opinion of me that'd you'd rather hand the throne to scum if given the choice ) ; real cold xata. Or maybe you just scum. ## vote the king you can keep in check I'm getting flashbacks from GoT Mafia because of this post... But maybe it means you're town? Although you were more antagonizing there. Not making you Mayor doesn't equal making a scum Mayor. Even if you were confirmed town, you'd still probably be anti-town as a Mayor... | ||
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lol Btw DH, what happened to your vendetta on suchdoge? Do you think you can read most of the players in this game well? Can you read BH or kush? | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:47 Alakaslam wrote: Hello. I have neither interest in running for nor objection to being mayor. Probably better to confirm a vet as town and then vote that veteran. I will initiate a private chat with Blazinghand soon, otherwise feel free to PM me your desired method of communication. I watch Star Trek evenings (California time), immediately following tends to improve communication with me. Please be wary of me, I am very good at looking town early! It just doesn't tend to last. This game I may try and learn how to do that or simply exude my alignment naturally. I'm expecting a pretty good game. What came out of your chat with BH? | ||
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On January 11 2014 11:34 Blazinghand wrote: I have yet to receive a om from slam .....What? What was the meaning of his first post then? Alakaslam better explain the meaning of this. | ||
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On January 11 2014 11:44 Aquanim wrote: Hi. I have no desire to be mayor. There, that's out of the way. What do you consider a real reason to be elected? Why do you have no desire to become a Mayor? | ||
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You said you're initiating a chat, yet BH PM'd you? Can you explain more closely? | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently Blazinghand is running not only his own campaing but also another one. Seems pretty weird for me. What do you mean with this? | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:23 Alakaslam wrote: I had to go. I was using iPhone at home and got a call from my mom, her washer is busted. Can give you picture if you want but it will say nothing. Then I received BH's elect dr h pm. Ok... Well, that BH campaign explains things. I'm a bit confused by the campaign though. BH, how did you choose who to PM? Why were you promoting yourself and DrH at the same time? What exactly made you start supporting DrH? | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Blues should obviously claim to the mayor so that mafia cannot fakeclaim after N1. Fucking simple. No need to PM me about it. What if the Mayor is scum? Then all the blues are dead..... | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think i am scum. If DrH thinks he is scum then maybe we should lynch him. That hardly explains anything. Obviously the Mayor would claim to be town, but there's always a chance he might be scum. Unless there's some clean way to confirm him. | ||
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On January 11 2014 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i am not planning on electing scum mayor so.. There's no such thing as 100% confirmed without confirmation by some role. Obviously there's no way someone can be confirmed before N1 ends. It seems way too risky to put all the eggs in one (possibly scum) basket. | ||
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I really dislike BH's sudden switch from all-in on kush to supporting DrH. He claims to still lobby for lynching kush, but his attitude is different from Titanic II, where he went all-in on xigxag (a lurker). He's much less vocal about his preferred tunnel and partly drops it very suddenly. I disagree with his tunneling attitude in general, but more strongly I dislike his quick attitude switch and the weak conviction behind the original tunnel. Aquanim looks shady from what little there is in his filter. He claims disinterest in becoming a Mayor, makes some general one-liner questions and then these: On January 11 2014 22:09 Aquanim wrote: D'you reckon you can explain this to me? That long post of his looks like it was written pregame, and therefore doesn't tell me much regarding his alignment. He's also expressed a desire to talk with people (specifically VE) which isn't the most intuitive thing I'd expect a scum smurf to do. If he thinks that long post is sufficient contribution for the day I'll agree with you that he's likely scum - but I don't see any reason to believe yet that there won't be more material forthcoming from him. Is there anything else making you lean scum on him? Convince me. On January 11 2014 22:22 Aquanim wrote: Yeah OK lemme rephrase that. I don't think you wrote the post pregame, but it contains next to no commitments to what you think anybody's alignments are, which would make my read on you much more solid. Now if you're still playing games in PMs and trying to work out people's alingments, and you don't want to reveal your work yet, that's fine - but I'm hoping that sooner or later you will show your working, so to speak. A really lackluster and factually false first argument, then a barely better follow-up. This is as non-committal as can be. I see this much more likely coming from scum than town. I had the impression that Aquanim was supposed to be good as town? I also really dislike mkfuba07's entrance into the thread: On January 11 2014 12:32 mkfuba07 wrote: Hiya :D I, as well, am not running for mayor. If I had to vote now, it would likely be for DrH. At the moment it's much a gut feeling, but it was my thought before reading BH's PM. I like his promises if he is going to keep them, even though I'm sure they would be directed at me at some point because of the way I play. Now I just need to make sure I feel he's going to keep them. BH, is there a reason you cut off a bit of your PM when you copied it? This is an extremely safe opening post that doesn't really say anything. It looks constructed with a greeting, a short show of support for the most reasonable Mayor campaigner at the time, and a trivial question at the end. Then complete silence. suchdoge had a big opening post that said a lot of nothing. Then he proceeded to disappear into TeamSpeak or something. suchdoge, you can't use PM's anymore? If so, I really want you to post in the thread. You're impossible to read as of now. With that said, I doubt scum would just completely disappear from the thread like that. | ||
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On January 12 2014 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I did answer. The mayor is not scum. How can you be so sure? marv even claimed that if he was scum, he would 100% run for Mayor. I don't think it's out of the question at all. AFK for like 2 hours now though. | ||
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On January 12 2014 03:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nah, only marv and alakaslam have pmd me. oh and bh. What's this about? We've exchanged several PM's already. You pretty much avoided answering anything though...... You refused to talk about your reads or your policy. And now you just forgot? How is that even possible? | ||
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On January 12 2014 04:06 Koshi wrote: Your point? Why so outraged? I'm just baffled by a completely false statement like that. I see no gain for him to lie on purpose, but it's weird that he would just forget about our PM's as well. So I want to know what caused this statement. | ||
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On January 12 2014 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yea i forgot. ve pmd me too i guess. Do you have reads you can share now? In PM's you were completely unwilling to talk. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Xatalos here's what i don't get:
[2]After this i ask DrH's read on you. He says "i don't even know who Xatalos is lol". [3]After this you come back to the thread and make a post on BH, Aquanim, fuba and suchdoge. You even ask me about something we talked about at the time you had your convo with DrH. [4]After this DrH forgets half of the people he has PM'd with. [5]After this you call him out for his PM's with you. Here: So. First of all. If you really thought his PM's with you were fishy and he was unwilling to cooperate and it's scummy how can you possibly miss the fact that the dude didn't even remember he has been in PM contact with you in the first place? If i had a fishy PM-convo with someone i would bring that up in the first place when i have a chance to do so. Not AFTER he gives a reason to do so by not remembering something. And i certainly would not miss the fact a couple of hours after our PM-convo the guy does not remember me. Because to me this looks like; "I PM'd with DrH, cool. I didn't really care about what he says. But now, he gave me a reason to attack him, in fact i can also throw some shit on him because this could be labeled fishy". So, why are you not paying attention to scummy stuff and why are you not calling it out in the first place possible if it was important? I was dissatisfied with my PM chat with him, but I didn't think it was necessarily scummy. It just made me think that I wouldn't want to have him as Mayor. I discussed about DrH in PM's but I don't think I talked about him in the thread. I think the more likely scenario is that he's town, but not fit for being Mayor. As I already said, I initially misunderstood the meaning of DrH's earlier thread post. When he said that he didn't know me, I just moved on and thought that he must have meant something like "I've never played with Xatalos". Then I kind of forgot the whole post. Only after he later mentioned that he never PM'd me did I start questioning him. I only made the connection with his earlier "I don't know Xatalos" post after you mentioned it in a PM. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote: xatalos is stuck on me, and from my interactions with him it seems like he's pretending to be ignorant of my meta. as a result, i'd be fine with lynching xatalos. after correcting for my "don't just lynch people because they dislike you" bias I am less convinced, though. I'm not so sure scum would stick out their neck and attack big strong players for no real reason How am I ignoring your meta? Granted we only discussed for a short while and that was a long time ago. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: So DrH you make a post like this where i assume you call Xatalos scummy. About 10 minutes later you PM me about your scumreads and "funny feelings" but Xatalos is not there. Why? DrH does seem to forget a lot of things.... | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: you described me as inexperienced and low activity which is basically like describing chezinu as serious and readable From my experience in Titanic II you are prone to lurking and playing really bad. Probably you're capable of better but I haven't seen it yet. In fact I think your play is less coherent and logical here than in Titanic II. That makes me think you're more likely scum than in Titanic II where you were town. | ||
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I might as well vote too. ##Vote yamato77 Hopeless wouldn't make a good Mayor even if he's Mason. Which he probably is, since why would scum fakeclaim Mason now? It'd just be high risk no reward. | ||
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It's true that I haven't PM'd with you since the earlier D1. Same thing with thrawn actually. There were so many PM discussions ongoing + thread discussion too that I never got to PM you for a while. You could have initiated a topic as well though. Honestly I lost some interest in your opinions after you claimed to be disinterested in running for Mayor and overall started with a passive style. What do you think of rayn as Mayor? Apparently yamato gave up, although he was my preference. Derrida is indeed scummy. He has shown zero interest in scumhunting, made a really easy-to-fake listpost and just folded under pressure. I'm more puzzled about such suchdoge than suspicious at the moment. Was your only interaction with him the one you mentioned in thread? Why would suchdoge just completely leave the thread and draw suspicion for no good reason as scum? Have you PM'd with VE? For some reason VE hasn't responded to me despite posting in the thread. He also seems to suspect you/Mocsta (according to PM's with Aquanim) without any shared reasoning. Has he told you? | ||
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I asked about rayn since I'd consider him a better option than you. Just wanted to know your opinion of him. I also just had a worrying thought: what if you were scum and playing around the fact that you claimed you would definitely run for Mayor as scum? By appearing hesitant at first, it would fit your town meta better to run for Mayor later on. I think you'd be capable of such a plan as scum. What about my questions about suchdoge and VE, marv? | ||
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Who I have PM'd but have yet to receive a response: VE, jat Which logs would you want? | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:35 marvellosity wrote: All day one-sidedly? You didn't send me one at all yesterday :p I've PMed a little with VE but not much, he's extremely passive. And I've spoken more with suchdoge yes, that's just what I didn't like. I dunno about him so much. what's with your silly wifom about running for mayor? it's literally not worth it for me to wifom about it when I could just... RUN FOR MAYOR. lol! Think it through. I could either use weak wifom to strengthen my point which I don't care about, or I could just run in the first place. That's really dumb xata. I meant "day" as in D1. Yesterday was more busy than the beginning of D1 and I had to cut some corners in my time usage on Mafia. Could you post your logs with suchdoge+VE? In your position as scum I would definitely proceed like that. Maybe I like to WIFOM my filter as scum more than average, but it still seems like a decent plan. What's bad about doing that? You eliminate meta suspicions, appear more like your town meta, and have more time to formulate a plan for becoming Mayor. It just seems good all around. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It's actually been a while. We haven't been in contact after the start of the day. Would you care to share your reasoning for having me in your "naughty list"? I agree with Derrida and Koshi though. Derrida opened with an easy-to-fake and useless listpost, has had zero interest in finding scum, has similarities with his last scumgame and now folds under pressure. Koshi has played so lazy and useless that he's probably not town. He's capable of much better. Only thing I'm unsure about is that he played a very active scumgame in Nuclear Winter Mafia, and he was very hard to catch, but here he's almost too scummy. I'm puzzled by suchdoge's disappearance as well as VE's PM behaviour. VE hasn't answered my PM's and apparently suspects marv/Mocsta in his PM's with Aquanim, yet shares no reasoning. Have you PM'd with VE? BH is almost certainly a Mason or even if he isn't, a fakeclaim will be found out later on. So I guess my suspicions about BH are pretty much useless to talk about now. Original Message From thrawn2112: Hi again, I'd like an up to date version of your thoughts on the game, and am wondrin if you have any reads you'd like to talk about? jat: + Show Spoiler + You've pretty much shared no reads in the thread and even posted this: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." How involved in finding scum are you really? Who are your 3 top scumreads? VE: + Show Spoiler + Why did you never reply to my PM despite posting in the thread? Apparently you suspect marv/Mocsta? Do you have any reasoning for that? rayn: + Show Spoiler + You never answered to my latest PM? Mostly about the possible faults with a massclaim. What do you think of marv as Mayor? Have you PM'd with VE? Aquanim: + Show Spoiler + I just had a worrying thought about marv. He claimed to me earlier that he would definitely run for Mayor as scum. Then he referenced an earlier game where he was hesitant to run for Mayor as town. What if he planned around that by being hesitant at first and then running anyway as scum? He's a skilled player so I don't think it would be impossible for him to think of a plan like that. Then there's also the fact of his very passive responses in PM's earlier. Otherwise he's felt towny, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to completely trust him yet. Original Message From Aquanim: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you about JAT that it's probably better to give him more time. I'm getting the definite impression that his early-game is weak. I've seen nothing more from VE than what I posted in the thread. It seems entirely unlike his towngame to be this reticient, but it's conceivable he's making some big play in PMs or some such. In any case he's probably a bad lynch today on the "don't-lynch-vets-day-1 principle" so I'm happy to let that lie for now. I'd love to have a more confident lynch than Derrida but at this point it's looking like he's the best lynch and not too terrible a choice. D'you have a read on Marv? My guess is he's town - I'm not certain, but I'd prefer to take that risk (in terms of handing out mayor) than to go with the guaranteed clusterf*** that a Rayn mayoralty would be. (The only game I've played with him was Back to the Basics in which he royally screwed the town over as town. He and I don't have a high opinion of one another, if you haven't noticed that already.) Hide nested quote - Original Message From Xatalos: jat has mostly posted one-liners about random stuff and hasn't appeared to focus on scumhunting so far. I also really dislike this post: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." Reactive much? Still, apparently he's a slow starter, so I think it's better to wait for him to start doing stuff. I think I'll chat with him soon to see if he's more transparent in PM's. It's actually kind of funny that I started suspecting you a bit earlier and people similarly told me that you're a slow starter. And now you've started posting quite a bit. I like most of your later posts so maybe the same will be true for jat as well. Apparently BH is Mason...? Well, at least he won't be a distraction anymore then. Derrida definitely seems scummy from his (short) filter. 1) Zero interest in scumhunting 2) easy to fake listpost 3) similarities with his previous scumgame 4) folding under pressure. I'm curious about VE. He hasn't responded to my PM's (despite me PM'ing him long before I went to sleep) and I have no idea what he's doing in PM land. Looking at your discussion with him he thinks Mocsta and marv are scum? Has there been any reasoning for that? Original Message From Aquanim: Heya, I'd like to have a bit of a chat with you. As a starting point, what's your read on justanothertownie so far and why? If you have anything you'd like to ask me, go ahead. cheers ~Aqua | ||
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o: Aquanim [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: LXIV - let's have a chat Date: 1/12/14 22:17 rayn: To: raynpelikoneet [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Mayor? Date: 1/12/14 21:48 VE: To: VisceraEyes [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ?? Date: 1/12/14 21:41 jat: To: justanothertownie [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Your reads? Date: 1/12/14 21:40 thrawn: To: thrawn2112 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 1/12/14 21:32 | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote: But you said you've been PMing "a lot" since you woke up which is why you didn't message me yet like you were planning stop bullshitting me please ....What? I've been PM'ing a lot considering the amount of time I've been at my computer so far. What does the absolute amount of my PM's today have to do with anything? That's just bad. | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: You literally used it as an excuse for not PMing me yet... 1) I was PM'ing with 5 people already during like 20-30min 2) I was just writing a PM to you 3) You make a big post questioning why I haven't PM'd you for a while 4) I decide to post in thread instead What's so hard to understand? I'm really unimpressed with you so far. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:02 suchdoge wrote: still doesn't explain why his reasoning changed from "I pmed a lot from when I woke up" to "I meant start of day 1" which sounds like a lie to me. Read again... | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:04 marvellosity wrote: I don't care if you're unimpressed by me so far. That says more about you than it does me. Elaborate? | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:05 marvellosity wrote: I look fine and if you don't see that you're bad or mafia Well, your earlier PM's were lackluster and you've been passive until recently. I want to hear further reads from you besides Derrida/suchdoge. How am I supposed to trust you if I don't even know what you think? | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:08 marvellosity wrote: Screw that anyway. Tell me a couple people you want to lynch right now? Derrida, Koshi, maybe VE. Derrida has been making a slight effort to appear townish, while actually contributing nothing. Then he just folded under pressure and now is apparently leaving the game. Koshi has been really unimpressive so far and his play just seems like lazy scum. VE hasn't responded to my PM and apparently barely responded with an unreasoned suspicion of Mocsta/you to Aquanim. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Can you tell me how you reconcile saying "marv's play has been really unimpressive so far" with telling Aquanim "marv has felt townie"? Unimpressive != scummy. I'd say you're capable of impressive logic as either alignment. Besides, you're leaving out the "otherwise" from my post to Aquanim. I think your play regarding BH was townish, for example. You could just have hidden your blueread and killed him at night as scum. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:22 marvellosity wrote: If you think I'm townie, why are you totally uninterested in me as mayor and want to elect rayn? I'm more confident in rayn being town than you. Besides, I think he might be the better player in light of some of your plays so far. He's very proactive and clearly focused on scumhunting all game. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote: lol amazing. Sorry if I insulted you, but something like nitpicking on my wording of "PM'ing a lot" is just... bad. I think you're still probably town, but I trust rayn more than you. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:40 marvellosity wrote: you know it's rayn who pushed you as suspicious to me originally? I know he suspected me earlier, but his reasoning was a lot more valid. Not "he's not sending me enough PM's", "he's saying ..but... in some reads" or "his wording of "PM'ing a lot" is super suspicious!". Instead it was related to me not paying enough attention to comparing thread/PM discussions, which was a reasonable thing to pressure for. It's been also more reasonable to discuss with him. | ||
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That's nitpicking again. If I'm genuinely unsure about some player, what's the point in saying that there's nothing pointing to town? In Koshi's case that "but" is related to an earlier PM discussion I had. I was pretty convinced he's scum, but some doubt lingered - mostly because of meta. | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does marv's logs with VE / suchdoge have to do with anything? There could be something useful in there considering neither of them have done much in-thread. Also marv not providing them is weird. Why not? You're confident that marv is town? What has he been like in PM's with you? | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: he has been townie. Like i have told you every time you have asked.. Reads can change over time. What do you think of our debacle? | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote: Hi Xatalos. Why am I a good player on D1? I've only played with you when you've been scum and I've thought you were town every time. yamato convinced me that your play is fitting for lazy scum so far. Are you often this passive as scum? | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand, what do you mean? Your and marv's? Yes, how did it affect your read on me/marv? | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what, when did yamato say so? That's entirely incorrect. Original Message From yamato77: Players don't always play the same way as mafia from game to game. Basically, mafia will do the least they can get away with most of the time. The more important question for me is, why would town Koshi play as he is? Original Message From Xatalos: Yeah, it's easy to hide for scum if a large group of players are inactive both in thread and PM's. It's pretty easy to at least semi-confirm players as town through PM's. It's a real pain to fabricate PM conversations as scum and that's why I prefer playing as town in a PM game. Koshi hasn't really done anything, but he was playing a very active/townish scum in Nuclear Winter Mafia. Has he played like this as scum? Original Message From yamato77: Actually I'd probably lynch Koshi over Derrida, because Koshi's a player I know is capable of decent play, yet he's completely opting out of playing the game entirely. Like I said, it's those types of players I will be lynching into, because there's too many to just let them all live. | ||
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...? What's the use in hiding info? | ||
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On January 13 2014 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: What marv says about you is correct. That's what you do as scum. ..You mean the "...but.." thing, the "PM a lot" thing or the "you haven't been PM'ing me lately" thing? I disagree on everything except I agree that I do say "...but..." as scum, but I do so as town too, so... | ||
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As a sidenote, I never lied about that PM stuff I was accused of (rayn etc.). | ||
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