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On December 05 2013 02:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Break down on people who actively play against their win conditions. I have noticed as someone whos played this game off and on for years that my biggest factor in how much I get angry/flip out is people who actively play against their win conditions.
That point on its own will help significantly in dealing with the hostility created in these games. Tensions are always going to be high in a game of mafia, but if you remove the acceptance of the "dont care" attitude a ton of people have and force them to care about the game and play properly the behaviour will shift. There are other things we as a community could surely do, but as someone whos played for years the biggest thing I have noticed is the shift of acceptance towards people who just troll and do shit for fun rather than try to win.
This resonates with a voice in my head
Hence my desire for vigs...
Another voice in my head second guesses me and asks, me just how well I can guess,
"Break down on people who actively play against their win conditions." vs Wow they really just dont have the skills I thought they do.
One skill people may actually lack, is the knowledge of HOW to play on a team. In mafia as town its harder than as scum or Real life, as town you dont know who else precisely is on your team.
Diseases that create themselves are bad. When you "my biggest factor in how much I get angry/flip out" does it help your win con? (assuming you were town which i think was implied)(Also assuming you flipped out in the game, I dont remember you flipping out anywhere so ??? However I have seen other people flip out in game, and hurt their win con so its question for them.
Your reaction is to flip out, I suspect some people peace out, IDGAF out, ....
Chickens and eggs.
but
This (the post I am replying to) resonates with a voice in my head.
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On December 05 2013 10:31 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 08:50 kitaman27 wrote:On December 05 2013 07:54 Mid or Feed wrote:On December 05 2013 07:51 kitaman27 wrote:From my experience, if you're bothered by the words tone that someone uses, simply reply to the post letting them know that you are bothered by it and move on. Tell someone that you're upset or having a bad day and I think most people are decent enough to understand. If they continue, then request host intervention privately and take a break from the thread to avoid confrontation. I don't recall ever being personally attacked in 40+ games, so if you treat others with respect, I don't think it really ever becomes an issue. On December 05 2013 05:23 Tunkeg wrote:
An interesting “project” though would be to run a series of “nice-guy” mafia where the same players agrees to play a set number of games together with some predetermined rules on how to behave. For instance a rule could be: you are not allowed to call anyone dumb, stupid or bad, but will have to use some sort of diplomacy to express your feelings. Technically, I think that rule applies to all games already. Kita, that's also because you as a player have no reason to ever be the target of anyone's rage or insults. You play the game the way people expect. Wave, that statement offends me! Please take it back. Allow me to provide a list of counter-examples, which I've managed to do without ever being personally attacked: Fake claimed that a detective contacted me to get a player lynched. Fake claimed detective to get a player lynched. Claimed detective at lylo, but refused to reveal my check for the first 40 hours, frusterating the other town members to the point that they voted without me in an instant majority setup. As a compulsive town vig, shot a player that the town unanimously agreed was town not once, but twice, forcing the town roleblocker to stop me twice. Lynched a player that I thought was town as town at LYLO (although still playing towards my win condition) Targeted myself with kp as mafia (Again still playing towards my win condtion) Gave a mafia scumbuddy bonus objectives to accomplish to the annoyance of another Taunted the thread to the point where I was day vig'd three times in the same cycle Backstabbed a third party player simply because I didn't want to work with them Bussed a scum buddy against their wishes at LYLO Forgotten to submit a night action Claimed mafia to the rival mafia faction Gone afk for extended periods of time without warning Refused to vote with town because I was being incredibly stubborn Threw a game away because I didn't know it was possible for third party players to exist Fake claimed bomberman for personal amusement Accidentally killed the same player by collateral damage two games in a row I too, am guilty of some of these, and I don't think I have made a real enemy playing mafia. I think you just have to have a certain skin to play mafia in general. Being easily offended or take what someone says to seriously probably means you should play something else.
While I dont have problem with kita. (i dont remember reading those games though)
"Being easily offended or take what someone says to seriously probably means you should play something else."
Hmmm.
This one in particular. "Fake claimed bomberman for personal amusement"
indicates Kita IS (on that occasion) playing a different game+ Show Spoiler +aka: is already playing something else
+ Show Spoiler +(note if fake claiming Bomber man would be like claiming Tommy the fireman NOW would be for oats, or me claiming say Ghandi, then fake claiming for amusement that is not prejudicial to win con is just fun. At least one of those in Kitas list is distinctly anti social and destructive to MAFIA.town win con though.)(Of course if Kita is really playing say "brinkmanship 101" with his peers then its probably all good as it is playing to his brinkmanship.101 wincon. (assuming that everyone is playing ))
That may indeed be the problem I have. If the game is DO whatever you like for your own personal amusement. Shhh that stuff about win con is for namby pambies who "Being easily offended or take what someone says to seriously probably means you should play something else." because obviously they took playing the game too seriously as they are trying to win, not just be amused.
Now I wouldn't want to be offensive but i am replying to two people who are not easily offended so I was little blunt.
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Btw Axle,
I dunno what has changed but I am finding what you write *SO* much easier to understand.
If you have tried to specifically change something - Well done.
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On December 05 2013 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually an interesting thing i noticed, other than thrawn and scib, the players have been playing for less than a year. So is this abrasive posting and bad atmosphere something new? How did it start?
Lurkers clearly arent the problem, there have been lurkers forever.
u wanna fite?
also i played a game in like 2010, so if it's a new phenomenon..IT WASN'T ME! mocsta started it! (just kidding of course)
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Wow. I am flash backs to the playground
On December 05 2013 12:09 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually an interesting thing i noticed, other than thrawn and scib, the players have been playing for less than a year. So is this abrasive posting and bad atmosphere something new? How did it start?
Lurkers clearly arent the problem, there have been lurkers forever. u wanna fite? also i played a game in like 2010, so if it's a new phenomenon..IT WASN'T ME! mocsta started it! (just kidding of course)
Ok I'll bite.
bereft: U wanna fite me? <puffs chest>
Axle: Yeah! So ya wanna Fite me.... mate ? <stands loose>
bereft: Sure, I'll fite. <raises dukes>
Axle: Ok, so my mate is that big hairy dude over there. <points over there><leaves rapidly>
Not sure if that will work in USian or English. In Strine its an old joke.
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Crucifying the joke.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2013 13:42 AxleGreaser wrote:Wow. I am flash backs to the playground Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 12:09 Bereft wrote:On December 05 2013 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually an interesting thing i noticed, other than thrawn and scib, the players have been playing for less than a year. So is this abrasive posting and bad atmosphere something new? How did it start?
Lurkers clearly arent the problem, there have been lurkers forever. u wanna fite? also i played a game in like 2010, so if it's a new phenomenon..IT WASN'T ME! mocsta started it! (just kidding of course) Ok I'll bite. bereft: U wanna fite me? <puffs chest> Axle: Yeah! So ya wanna Fite me.... mate ? <stands loose> bereft: Sure, I'll fite. <raises dukes> Axle: Ok, so my mate is that big hairy dude over there. <points over there><leaves rapidly> Not sure if that will work in USian or English. In Strine its an old joke. yeah sorry. it didn't translate. Mate is Australian for friend. (+ some more) However in the languages cultural idiom it get tacked onto the end of everything. Waking up after night on the booze passed out on the couch, to the guy passed out in the armchair. StineSpeaker1: geez Youre Ugly. mate. (indicates hes hung over, or just general sign of friendship) StrineSpeaker2: Not half as fugly as you. mate. (indicates mutual respect for how much worse the first guy looks) (note that probably wont work in current culture or in the more refined circles, but I have associated in my time with pretty nearly very kind of Aussie there is. This is probably older school strine than Aqua) + Show Spoiler [more_strine] +Whatever you talk about, don't act the wowser as everyone tends to be given a fair go, fair dinkum, mate. And don't go acting the yobbo either.
Also, it doesn't hurt to say ta or thanks for anything done for you; you'll hear a lot of taing around, thanks is so much a part of the Aussie language.
And so, Half your luck, mate The joke above is that Axle asked if Bereft wanted to fight Axle's mate. But structured it such that matched the normal expression with random mate stuck on the end to indicate some mateship to the person(bereft) being spoken to. Err what? How can you ask someone if they want to fight you, if they are your mate. mateship has nothing to do with whether or not you currently want to punch their lights out. mateship is way deeper than that.
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Ok I get it. I think it works in english
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also need to realize that me = my in some dialects
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
it would be like saying "come at me bro" but then your bro is this big buff dude
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i thought that was a classic pom joke
u musta be an east coaster axle
+ i never heard strine used before....
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I'm going to try and be back for GMarshall's game, but to be honest I'm not sure I ever want to waste time playing mafia here again. On a routine basis 20-25% of the players that sign up get replaced and there are still mod kills for inactivity on top of that. Then there are people like Coagulation who detract from others enjoyment just to get a laugh. On top of that everyone seems more interest in shoving their epeen around than actually trying to make or evaluate arguments. If I could hand select a group of people to play with here I would be ecstatic. But because that's impossible I have to keep on dealing with these type issues and it's exceptionally unfun to try and win in those circumstances.
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I wasnt even in this game rofl
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Such angry
So wow
Much butthurt
User was warned for this post
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On December 07 2013 16:59 iVLosK! wrote:
Such angry
So wow
Much butthurt
User was warned for this post
Are you serious? Not only you respond in an inappropriate way being a dick, but you even use meme to do it?
Think about it man.
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I assume we are all waiting on GM analysis?
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On December 07 2013 19:57 Mocsta wrote:
I assume we are all waiting on GM analysis?
I'm just here for the angry shouting.
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United States22154 Posts
On December 07 2013 19:57 Mocsta wrote:
I assume we are all waiting on GM analysis?
You guys can start without me, VE already posted some good stuff about day 1 :D
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On December 07 2013 13:06 geript wrote:
I'm going to try and be back for GMarshall's game, but to be honest I'm not sure I ever want to waste time playing mafia here again. On a routine basis 20-25% of the players that sign up get replaced and there are still mod kills for inactivity on top of that. Then there are people like Coagulation who detract from others enjoyment just to get a laugh. On top of that everyone seems more interest in shoving their epeen around than actually trying to make or evaluate arguments. If I could hand select a group of people to play with here I would be ecstatic. But because that's impossible I have to keep on dealing with these type issues and it's exceptionally unfun to try and win in those circumstances.
What you did was absolutely unacceptable, selfish and inconsiderate towards the hosts and other players in the game. Indeed, it is worse than what you accused some players in the game of. I realize that this is the wrong place and time for this, but you are already bringing the discussion here and this really should be self-evident.
The same applies to other players who decided to randomly modkill themselves, because they couldn't get over themselves and keep their end of the bargain when they chose to join the game.
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