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Corazon
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jk I want to /in | ||
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On November 30 2013 07:33 cDgCorazon wrote: jk I want to /in | ||
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On December 08 2013 06:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hear ye, hear ye, puny little towns On behalf of our friend LoneMeow Ask yourselves if you would like a friend Shadowing your game from start to end. If you wish he join you in your play PM me by start of the first Day.  10/10 would read in a sing-songy voice again but I'm too bad to let people shadow me...sorry LM =( | ||
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On December 10 2013 05:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Those of you just now complaining about the deadline, it's been unchanged in the OP ever since the creation of this thread. It shouldn't be a surprise. And a few of you have yet to tell me the name of your favorite boat  I hope the Black Pearl counts even though it is a ship, not a boat. | ||
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If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so. That is all. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote: I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active? Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? Hi Marv. I plan on having my filter be longer than 2 pages. My filter in D1 for Basics was about 6 pages and I would consider that to be "super active" for me. I know that my filter will still be acceptable and I will be working towards that goal even though my time to play this game will not be as much as it usually is. I was talking more about how I would react to their play post-game. It's another reaction to Basics where we had a very lurky town. I require town players to be moderately active. If all the town players are active and the scum decide to lurk, then it shouldn't be a problem to find the scum. If all the town players are active and contribute to the discussion, scum are forced to post more and more to blend in with a more active town. The more scum are forced to post, the more misdirection they are forced to use and the easier it will be to find the holes in their stories and out them as scum. | ||
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Off to work on English. Be back in an hour or so. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:16 Holyflare wrote: Asking about the same thing because new information was made available that your activity would be justifiably alright so there was no need to even post that your activity would be dwindling when you say that it won't be. Making the point that although I will not have as much time as usual, I will do everything in my power to contribute to the discussion. Which is what every townie should do. Do you have a problem with everyone being active? | ||
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Off for realsies. | ||
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Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back. Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit. If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote: lynching lurkers was also the way he started titanic one, and he was scum there Yeah that was before lurkers ruined Basics | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:55 Xatalos wrote: Actually I think Corazon has a surprisingly good chance of flipping Mafia (considering it's this early). Slightly scummy opening post, slightly OMGUS response, apathetic tone in next post... Definitely not looking good. Has anyone played with him before though? How does this compare to his town/Mafia play? Why do you need meta to make your read on me? My opening post was not scummy. My OMGUS wasn't an OMGUS. I'm going to call people out for not reading. That isn't scummy to you? Holyflare was just piggybacking off of Plutarch. I'm going to call people out for piggybacking. That isn't scummy to you? I hate to tell you that you are wrong but you are wrong. Sorry. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:03 Spaghetticus wrote: Why do you think me scummy Corazon? Surely if you have material it would be best to place it out in the open for all to see, given the current lack of information available to town? You said I had to be coerced back into the thread? Is that it? I was going to watch a single ep. Shit son. Sue me. I was an alt-tab away... I didn't end up watching that ep either. Something happened in the game, so my reason for passing time was no longer motivating my actions. Are you going to FOS me for not being the one person in eighteen to get this discussion off the ground? Nice work buddy. Yay that makes 2 people who understand how dumb the pressure votes for me are. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:01 Xatalos wrote: Spagetticus and Alakaslam certainly didn't start in a townish way. But I have to ask which is worse: weak non-contribution (them) or passable non-contribution (you)? "passable non-contribution" doesn't exist. Your logic is flawed. My first post was contribution. You can call me out on it later if I contradict myself. You can't call Slam and Spag out on anything that they wrote in their first posts. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote: Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town. There is a difference between being aggressive with good logic (town) and being flinging shit with bad logic on purpose (scum). | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:12 Spaghetticus wrote: @Corazon I see no problem with the votes. What is your problem with them? If you want me to contribute thing with which I can later contradict myself, ask me a question. That's what someone that is trying to find scum would do. What would a scum do? Sorry I can't ask you questions right now, I have to get all of the shit off me that Xatalos threw on me. Sorry. You said that you had a problem with me basing my suspicions off of nothing and I was just reflecting that it was similar to how I was pressured - not based off of much. Now I must go to work. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:13 Xatalos wrote: Maybe the better choice of words would have been "a semi-contribution" - as in throwing a tiny contribution to the thread in hopes of people glancing over it and deeming it as a passable contribution. I think being the first real post with substance and allowing for discussion is a good contribution. If I wanted people to glance over it, I would not have been the first one to post it. I would wait until someone else was taking heat in order to make my entrance to the thread in such a way. Another point of bad logic. | ||
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On December 10 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote: Also cora promised me a case! Most disappointed  Sorry I have a life and things to do. I literally just got home. You're gonna be my vote after Xalatos flips scum, btw | ||
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On December 10 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote: I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game? | ||
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Xalatos Case So I'm still trying to understand the case meta. My newest attempt to get people to read my cases will be to put it in TL;DR and spoiler the proof/bigger arguments. TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around. 2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta. 3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming. Filter dive (the actual case): + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: Indeed that's a starting post leaning on the scummy side. 1) Why mention these time restraints right after receiving the role PM rather than... before the game started maybe? 2) Focusing on policy/lurker lynching (the easiest target for Mafia). 3) Overall a pretty careful and and meek post with no content, yet managing to look reasonable on the first glance (somewhat) Looks like this game is starting well. These are really bad reasons to be focusing on me. His first point is WIFOM, his second point shows that he fails to think about why I would say that, and his third post is a blatant lie because of the nature of the beginning of the game. This looks like scum trying to jump on an easy lynch early. On December 10 2013 06:25 Xatalos wrote: May I ask... Where did you disappear to? This is the kind of non-contribution that Mafia love to make. Especially combined with fading to the background right after that. He makes this post right after attacking me. If he was town, he would be focusing on one read and trying to work with me instead of side-tracking himself on Slam. Also, didn't he just say I was scummy for talking about lurkers and non-contributors? He just contradicted himself. On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote: Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town. This just screams to me of "hey, look how townie I am!". Xalatos is hoping that the town does not understand the difference between aggression and shit-flinging. His logic is bad (which I've proven) and his opinions are completely wrong because he just wants to paint me as scum by twisting the facts. He is trying to justify his shit-flinging by saying that it makes him town and that he does not like slow D1s. It's really suspicious in my eyes. He also made a post where he attacked me for being defensive. It's really hypocritical to say that because I've had to defend myself from the shit-flinging from him and HF. He's just looking for ways to kick me while I'm down and say "hey guys, I have a developed scum read!" when in fact he is just reaching for things to call me scummy. You guys have all seen the posts of him attacking others. He attacked Rayn for sleeping. WTF is that? Why call Rayn (someone who spams in every game he is in) a lurker because he was sleeping? That accomplishes nothing and it just shows he is trying to attack people for the sake of getting town credit. ##Vote: Xalatos Unlike Xalatos, who will throw his vote around willy-nilly, I'm ready to lynch this guy. | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: I understand your reasoning but I'd like to question your point 3. Why would scum jump on a bandwagon within the first page of the game? By your own logic votes and accusations don't really mean anything at the start of the game so why do you think it is a scum tactic to further aggression onto a person? Like you say that is quite clearly not proper aggression if that person is then willing to switch their votes later on, so why is it contributing to a 1/3 of your case points? Why, if you say so many times, that votes are meaningless at the start of the game have you thrown out a vote only 6ish hours into the game? ----------------------------- I also would like your opinions on other people within the game too. What do you think of artanis' posting style so far? Do you think the points I wrote here are valid? : + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. It wouldn't be scummy if Xalatos' reasoning was valid, but he's just shit flinging. Why is it scummy for me to change my opinion from game to game? I change my opinions as I win/lose games. That point is invalid. In my opinion, you are calling Artanis wrong simply because he is defending me. You're getting confirmation bias. Xalatos jumping on my bandwagon would not look ridiculously scummy if he had no decided to jump on 5 other people before going back on me. Don't you think that someone should stick to their story if they intend to lynch someone? Do you think Xalatos believes in his case if he goes after 5 targets in the span of 2 hours? Why are you asking me about opinions on other players and then tell me to respond to your case? I'm only looking at 3 people so far for this lynch. Of course it's only 6 hours in so... Xalatos HF Purple Who do you want to know more about? | ||
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Who do you want me to comment on? | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:47 Holyflare wrote: I never talked about any possibility of relationships based on unflipped players thank you. Sorry that was Xatalos. I will try to answer your question again. | ||
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I think it's ok to change my mind if the circumstances change. My vote is different from the others because I plan to see it through. I'm pretty convinced Xatalos is just shitting up the thread and is either scum or is a liability as a town player. I'm curious to see why you are attacking me for changing my mind (or contradicting myself, which is another way of looking at it) yet you look away when Xatalos attacks 5 people in two hours. About other players: I would rather keep the discussion on Xatalos for now. I've already voiced my suspicions of you and I have a slight suspicion of Purple and Spag but nothing enough to make a big deal out of it right now. | ||
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Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote: By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote: I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote: Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazon I expect better from you. Why are you twisting my words and misconstructing my sentences in a way that conveniently gives you a way to attack me? | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:29 Plutarch wrote: Substitute 'inactive' with 'less active' and then please focus on the things that matter instead of the things that do not. Of all the things you could have responded with that was the least useful. You can't substitute those two words. Do you understand how active I am? I post a lot. I gave the example of my filter from basics. Inactivity= 1-2 posts a cycle Less active= 2-3 pages Your argument falls apart. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:35 Plutarch wrote: It isn't an argument. I meant less active. I stated inactive. The question remains relevant and the same. If you continue on this minor tangent rather than addressing the breadth of my post I will assume you are trying to derail the conversation instead of contributing meaningfully and lynch you accordingly. This is basically your argument though. You are saying that I said "inactive" when I actually said "less active". Your argument falls apart. | ||
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Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game Don't call Artanis scum for being right. Still want Xatalos lynch, he's squirmed his way out of answering my case and refuses to reveal his thought process behind his town play, other than calling it town play When I was talking about HF/purple, they were people I would lynch if Xatalos lynch doesn't fall through. Will explain more later | ||
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I would but I need to reread things and take notes and I can't do that from phone. All I see are two people tunneling me and attacking Artanis based on the fact that he is defending me. The rest is either kush bs or random ass banter I need to reread and I will but for now those were my thoughts Ok I need to pay attention in math or else I'm gonna fail the final. Be back later | ||
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@Spag What argument do I have to answer? His whole case is centered around him twisting my words, as I've said already. You're not reading the thread. Stop your ménage-à-quatre with HF, Xatalos, and Plutarch and start reading the game. You four are ganging up on me because Plutarch twisted my words and you are now attacking Artanis simply because he disagrees and is defending me. Doesn't that scream confirmation bias to anyone? | ||
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BTW Spag, why is it ok to call my answers scummy (I assume because of the defensive nature of the posts) but you don't read the questions? I'm tired of getting assaulted with illogical and non alignment-indicative questions and I'm tired of getting my words twisted to make me look scummy. Stop it. | ||
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Basically I've been afraid to come back to the thread because I know I can't step foot in here without hearing bullshit reasons about why I am scum. Plutarch, Spag, HF, and Xatalos have come after me all game with bullshit reasons and I really didn't want to have to answer them anymore. Plutarch has twisted my words and has tunneled me all game Spag has called me scum for being defensive without even reading the questions I've been asked and trying to figure out why I've been defensive HF doesn't read my filter and makes bullshit cases about me Xatalos doesn't believe in any read he makes and is bound to change his vote 5 times from now until the deadline If you guys have some sort of personal vendetta against me, air it out here. If not, stop senselessly tunneling me. Spag, stop being a dick to people. "I got a 99.5 per cent on my last logic test so I'm obviously better than you" is just a dick thing to say. Solve the game and stop trying to inflate your ego. Rayn, my rage in Titanic had a real life reason behind it. I was going through some not happy times and I took a break after Mafia because of it. If you are going to make bullshit reasons about it, I'm going to go to the mods. It's not funny. Slam is a bad lynch, just vig him. Same with kush. I don't think it matters who is the best lynch to me because every time I post i get hounded by these 4 asking me to "answer the case" which I have answered a bajillion times. I can't contribute with these 4 breathing down my neck. So either lynch me or stop with the bullshit. | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:33 Spaghetticus wrote: I didn't say that Corazon. He accused my logic of being bad. It isn't. I'm forcing him to look for alternative explanations because he's wrong. It wasn't simply pulling rank, it was a reason why he's wrong. That it fitted together with a mild burn was just the way the words came together in my head. Spag. No. You've been a dick to me in the same reason. Why are you telling him to look for alternate explanations for something when you blatantly told me I was scum for my responses to questions that you said you weren't going to read? It's really hypocritical. | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon tbh it seems like you have some personal vendetta against everyone and that stops you from contributing anything but mindless rage against other people. Nobody is being dick to anyone here, except you. Could you answer this: I think that's a reasonable accusation against you and you should answer it. After that could you tell us who would you like to see lynched? Read my filter Rayn. | ||
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I do appreciate the townies that are using their brains and realizing the attacks against me are blatant lies or small things blown out of proportion. | ||
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Purple is just dying to lynch the easiest target. Lol | ||
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Anyways, here are my notes up through page 21. They are more of a summary of the game but I did point out where I was suspicious of things or if they had conclusions or stuck out for me. They help me because it forces me to reread the game, but it is time-consuming. + Show Spoiler + Plutarch with a really useless post to call out Slam to begin, says he has to leave and does Spag with a really bad first post coming into the thread and then leaving Plutarch then twists my words and attacks me for no reason, HF jumps on bandwagon HF tries to justify jumping on the bandwagon, citing “new information” Xatalos jumps on the bandwagon as well, not reading my response “looks like the game is starting well” Artanis challenges HF on whether talking about post restriction is scum or town Plutarch equates pressuring lurkers to LAL Xatalos votes for me, seems like he sees the bandwagon forming and wants to be the first one on it, then calls out slam for being inactive (conflict of interest) Purpletraitor “I am VT” Spag asks HF/Grack if their gamestyle is going to be different as town (what kind of question is this?), says that he will vote for a trolling Grack LSB enters by voting Purple, screams of trolliness and randomness HF makes a really terrible case and votes for me. He jumps way too hard to conclusions, saying I OMGUS’d and was playing defensive. Was he paying any attention at all to Basics mafia? Xatalos calls out a third person (kush), saying he will lynch a trolling kush Artanis defends me, saying that scum would not be so open with their play VA makes a decent but wrong point. Give him town cred for trying but he is wrong (also says he will not vote for me. He wants the right lynch, not the easy one. Big town cred) Xatalos +1s HF Xatalos attacks me, saying my post was “passable non-contribution” (which he is wrong) Kush proclaims he is doing a lurk strat...help us plz Spag defends himself, basically very defensive like me but he doesn’t get called out for it Alakaslam points out that Xatalos says Slam is scummier, yet votes for me Artanis/Slam say Xatalos is throwing shit around, Artanis votes for him Xatalos: “I’m always really aggressive as town” there is difference between being aggressive and throwing shit around Xatalos says my first post hoped people would glance over it. Makes no sense as if that was my goal, I would not have posted it first and attracted attention to myself Rayn enters, votes for Purple, Artanis disagrees about “scummiest vote in thread” LSB fears townie on townie action Artanis asks LSB for reads, LSB replies it is too early but says Xatalos needs a filter check HF attacks me without reading my filter, says that I’m attacking the flavor of the thread but that is exactly what he is doing to me (???) Xatalos says that his aggression is townie and he likes the start to the game (ofc he is going to say that, it’s non-indicative) Purple gets all mad and votes LSB, saying LSB is out to get him even though LSB isn’t (??) HF trying to draw discussion away from Xatalos but it was kind of off him for a page or so Slam is posting in riddles...damn it Xatalos finally talks about someone besides me, asks Spag for reads Xatalos calls me out for playing defensive cause I’ve had to defend his shit, so scummy Slam T.T votes for Xatalos HF makes another shit case and forgets to see how I defend his first one More T.T Slam...maybe he only makes sense when he is scum. Draws Spag’s vote Xatalos thinks sleeping is a scum tell....lol VA votes for Slam...i don’t mind that Spag wants to throw away D1 to lynch Slam...T.T Xatalos attacks another player, votes for Kush Xatalos calls out purple Xatalos votes for me. This guy can’t keep his story straight Town Reads: VA Scum Reads (in order): Xatalos, HF, purple (weak) Keep in mind that this was only until page 21 and I must admit I've been a bit lost since then. I'd be down for a Spag lynch though. The guy is being a dick and has admitted to attacking me without looking at the bigger picture and then calls Rayn out for doing the same thing. | ||
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Sorry. It's just that a lot of discussion recently has been about whether to policy lynch Slam or not. I just assumed for some reason that he was 2nd in votes. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus | ||
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On December 12 2013 05:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Cora when you take notes, you use font color tags? No. I highlighted those when I posted because that was the important information i wanted to share. It was just to make reading easier. | ||
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Do you have some sort of win-con to call everyone scum? | ||
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On December 12 2013 05:53 Xatalos wrote: Do you have some sort of a win-con to call scum everyone who call you scum? Well seeing as everyone has taken a shot at me this game, I don't think I have a choice. | ||
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On December 12 2013 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you or do you not think vayne is mafia? Or wtf is this about? It's Xatalos not having any confidence in his reads. He's just faking activity. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:07 Spaghetticus wrote: You must understand, as I'm only going to say this once more. I'm hardly reading what they say about you. I'm reading your responses. They are giving me scumchills. Stop defending yourself by slinging mud on your assailants as it's not at all relevant to my perspective and it's doing you no favours. All I see is someone who has not done any townwork who is showing no intention of doing anything but making other look more scummy than themselves despite the lack of scumsign. Calm yourself. Use reasoning. Be useful. How is this thought process good. He thinks my responses are scummy yet doesn't try to see why I would respond like that. He just says they are scummy without looking at the big picture. | ||
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However, my schedule should free up after the math final and I will start taking notes and playing the game better. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:20 Coagulation wrote: ##unvote bumatlarge ##vote Corazon miss me bbycakes? We must be on the right track if Sentinel is putting Coag in as town. Or he's scum and we should lynch him. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:23 Coagulation wrote: yeah corazon im either scum or town. your mafia skills are sharp as ever. It doesn't matter. I'm vig and I'm shooting you. | ||
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Yes because Coag is such a worse target than Kush or Slam. They're all on the same level imo. | ||
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Your thought process is "Corazon is scummy, he has done this and this" instead of "Corazon has done this and this, he is scummy" You are tunneled and confirmation biased because you are making up shit that supports your feeling that I am scum. I didn't fake the notes. It takes a long time to make notes like that and I've been busy studying for finals. Everytime I read one of your conspiracy theories, it makes me want to not play the game and just think about how stupid this game is right now. And every time that happens, I have less and less will to come back to the thread. I didn't care about the D1 lynch. I'll admit it. I'm not invested in this game because of this stupid shit I get tunneled with. Perhaps it was a scum plan to try and get me to blow up and be a distraction to town? It's a crazy theory but if you are accepting HF's theories as valid than mine isn't out of reason as well. Back after math final. Mayne | ||
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It's not pressure. It's bullshit. You are confirmation biased. How can you not see that? Why don't you vote for me and end it if you are so sure I am scum? | ||
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Just vote me out. I'm done | ||
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I haven't been able to follow the game as much and I am a little bit lost. Do you guys think I'm an asset to town with my usual play? If so, give me some breathing room to do my work so I can post in the thread without having 4 people breathing down my neck asking the same 4 questions. If I said right now that HF was scum, you guys would say that I am OMGUSing. When you say that it's weird I call him confirmation-biased, you are putting me into a box. If you think I am scum, vote me out. I won't be mad. If you don't think I am scum, lay off me and let me get back into this game. Sure I had a shitty start, but you guys won't even give me a chance to make up for it | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:12 Holyflare wrote: Why did nobody follow up on this apart from JJD? Not only are cora's notes up to only 1/4ish of the thread but they aren't even real notes. He didn't post them immediately when asked to even though he was around and only posted them at the end of the day. He has read up to page 21 but his last post/summary was on Xatalos' vote on him which occurred on page 17. This looks like he didn't have time to fully write these notes off the top of his head up to page 21 where he claimed he had read. First of all, I never said the notes were good. I said they were notes. Second of all, I was not around. I was on my phone and my notes were at home on my computer. This is the biggest problem Holyflare has had all game with me. He makes up this shit that I have to everything right away and exactly in the time frame that I say. News flash; I'm not Onegu. I don't plan on promising something and delivering 2 days later. He called me scum for posting something an hour and 15 minutes later after I had promised it in an hour. How is that scumhunting? It's just throwing shit around. I thought my notes were up to page 21 but I guess I forgot to count the 4 pages that happened when I went to Tae Kwon Do (inbetween taking notes and the Xatalos case). He also lies and says that I only read to page 21. That is wrong and I said before that I have read the entire game but not very in-depth. He also mentions that his notes have 3 main points: Spag, purple, VA. Yet, within his notes these points never feature as main points [spoiler] For a main point to have purple included why is his scum read on purple "(weak)" compared to me and Xatalos? Why is spag considered a major point but does not feature in any of his scum or town lists? These things don't make any sense at all. I featured the points I thought were scummy. I didn't go all-out and call Spag/purple scum because I was focused on my Xatalos case. I didn't want to have my Xatalos case overshadowed by anything I thought about Spag/purple The notes come to the conclusion of nothing either. His entire notebase is a summary of what happened but he doesn't conclude why X player would do Y action other than that action is scummy or that he doesn't mind it. This is not the mindset of Cora from B2B who was actually scum hunting. He has played the victim card WAY too many times and was quite happy to throw a vote on spag right at the end of the day to "get rid of a player who was on him"...... lol I never said they were good notes. They force me to reread the game and I highlighted weird things for myself. Then I do the mental process and see if it makes the poster scummy or not. I never said my entire thought process was devoted in these notes. I was willing to lean off cora for a bit after the start of the game because of his attitude to being pressured because it was similar to B2B etc but I do not think it is real anymore, his notes only go up to page 17 not 21 so the fact that he doesn't have any opinions from after that means that he cannot possibly know whether or not "people are still on him" like he constantly whines about. This is a game of finding scum and he knows that a little pressure here and there on someone is a way to get to that goal yet, to draw no conclusions from it other than summarise (and colourise) posts is a feigning of contribution. How am I supposed to play the game if I'm forced to answer these bullshit posts every time I want to post something? Also, I thought this was apt with his "notes" hahahahhaha cora is a funny guy. _______________________________________________________________________________ This was something I thought outside of the notes. Also, you take this way out of context. Rayn said something about purple being useful and trying to solve the game and I thought he was talking about Spag. So basically, Holyflare comes up with a bunch of bullshit and conspiracy as to why I am scum. He lies, twists my words, and takes my posts out of context in order to have a scum read on me. | ||
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Wow, nice selective reading. | ||
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On December 13 2013 03:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well holy questioned why cora said he took notes up to page 21 when he only had the notes up to 17. Cora said he forgot about the 4 pages between then and his Xala case. But the case was on page 18. Not a huge deal but it's worth mentioning since it is curious how he got the number 21. READ THE ENTIRE POST | ||
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On December 13 2013 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cora, I read the post. I thought what I mentioned is worth commenting on. I even said it wasn't a huge deal. U need to chill the F out. So you have zero reaction to anything else I've said? Thanks.... And while I have you here, was there ever a point in D1 where you thought Spag was town? It seemed like you were very set on Spag's lynch until Vayne made his contradictory post. After that, you didn't mention anything about Spag. Can you walk me through your process of switching votes from Spag to VA? | ||
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On December 13 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote: How can you be so blind as to criticise everything i say as scum lying and bsing about everything when you then accept half the things as truth rofl. It also was most definitely not 1h 15mins it was leaning on 4 hours+. You then complain that people only comment on a single bit of cases but then you just did the same thing on my vote analysis post, there was much more than just you in it. Don't double standard me now. Anyway, i will entertain you for now. Who do you think is the scummiest person coming out of the votes yesterday? Because there are some thing that are true about my play but you blow the rest way out of proportion. This is what I meant by 1hr 15min On December 10 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote: Also cora promised me a case! Most disappointed After I had promised a case in an hour. Either this post is meaningless or he is calling me scum for having a life. Both are bad things to say. I'm not double standarding you. I was responding to the call for me to reply to your post, so that is what I did. However, it must also be considered that you have been tunneling me the whole game. Out of those people, who are you going to attack D2? Me. So there's not much use in talking about your other reads. I'm working on analyzing the votes and I need to analyze 6 more filters (Slam -> Purple on the sign-up sheet). I will come back with my findings after that. | ||
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On December 13 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote: Very much so. Good, good. In the event a Vayne lynch doesn't happen, who would you be ok lynching? | ||
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On December 13 2013 04:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: IDK who my #2 is right now. There's a few people I wouldn't mind lynching but none nearly as much as Vayne. And a red vayne means the day 1 lynch gives us a ton of info. I haven't really been crazy about purple this game. He'd probably be a good lynch. And I can't get over Kush voting spag after defending him a whole bunch. But other than that I've mostly thought he was ok this game Also, I thought sidespring was scummy early game and all he's done since then is lurk. I know Vayne hasn't contributed much but I'm a bit lost on how to read him. He's usually a troll and that why I have a problem reading him. I agree with what you say about purple. I'm going to elaborate a bit more in my next post. I can't lynch Kush because I can't read kush. I do agree that sidespring needs to contribute more but I do how he explained his vote. His explanation for voting Vayne was a lot better then a lot of other explanations for votes. I'd like to give him a chance. | ||
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HF- I've said a lot about him but he tunnels me for D1 and then throws his vote away on Slam. If he really believed that I was scum, why wouldn't he throw his vote away on me and not on Slam? Xatalos- I've talked about him to death as well, but I found some very interesting stuff in his filter: On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote: By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. He spent all of this time "defending Spag" and at the same time tells him to play better. He is keeping is options open and is trying to defend Spag without looking like it. Then he goes from this: On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote: I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. To this: On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote: That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote ##Vote Spaghetticus In four minutes. He clearly did not believe that Spag was scum, but he voted for him? Why would you vote for someone that you think is town and that you just defended? Artanis also makes a good point when he says that Xatalos voted with 2 people he thought was scum. His words and actions aren't matching, which points to the fact that he doesn't care who is lynched, as long as it isn't him. Grackaroni-Grackaroni is someone who has gone under the radar a bit (besides Rayn OMGUSing him). He is in the same boat as Vayne where they haven't contributed to the discussion and they both haven't justified their votes. His first vote on Kush is trolly, his second vote on Rayn is useless because he only thinks Rayn's vote is dumb and doesn't explain why it makes Rayn scum. Then, he starts to tunnel Slam by voting for him until he switches to Vayne: On December 12 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote: Geez Vayne actually slipped lol. Un-lynchable scum record goodbye I will take pleasure in this. ##Unvote: Alakaslam ##Vote: VayneAuthority I don't think it prevents Slam from being scum. The problem is that he never explains why he thinks Slam is scum. He just votes VA but keeps his options open. In my opinion, it is because he wants to hammer Vayne but wants an escape just in case the lynch goes south. All of this along with his lack of contribution make me really suspicious of him. purpletrator-Purple's play has been ridiculously scummy so far. First off, his scumhunting has been non-existent. He's just shitted up the thread with a whole bunch of nonsense. As said before, his overreaction to LSB's criticism was really suspicious and not very justifiable. Then, there is his justification for his vote: On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote: Heavily swayed by He completely sheeps Plutarch here and basically says "it's Plutarch's fault my vote is on Spag". He is both acknowledging his lack of scumhunting the fact that he is sheeping. He is trying to divert responsibility for the Spag lynch away from him. From what I have concluded, although Xatalos is the person I would most want to lynch D2, I'm ok with lynching any of these four. TL;DR HF-Throws his vote away after tunneling me, why didn't he vote for me, his top scumread? Xatalos- Stuff I've said before + voted for someone he thought was town Grack- Lack of contribution, tunneling Slam with no explanation and then switching to Vayne but keeping his options open. Purple- Lack of contribution + sheeping Plutarch | ||
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On December 13 2013 05:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: ...... Wow you really let him have it. U realize he has like 10 posts this game? I find it funny how u rant and rave like a madman @ anyone that calls you scummy. But ur sweet as pumpkin pie to a lurker when you put all lurkers on notice @ the start of the game. His 10 posts are better than purple's posts. By far. They're both lurking, but at least sidesprang's vote was decently justified. His posts have not been absolutely terrible. The opposite is with purple. I love how you yell at me for getting mad at people yet get mad at me when I don't agree with you. | ||
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On December 13 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: How am I mad at you and what are u not agreeing w/ me about? You would join a sidesprang (I'm sorry I will get your name right eventually) lynch and I want to give him another chance. You are mad at me because I don't agree with you. | ||
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On December 13 2013 05:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: and FWIW cora, I did like ur scumread post. Some of it mirrors my thoughts. Yeah when I read your post I was thinking that we were on the same wavelength. I don't think I will have a problem with you if you keep your word and push a Vayne lynch. | ||
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If you didn't think Spag was town, why didn't you push his lynch? Why did you make that big post defending him? | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:45 xigxag wrote: Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows: 1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game scum player wants some power 3) if kush is scum he is a potential late game scum player 4) kush is not scum playing for the late game 5) kush is not scum playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is scum 7) kush is town | ||
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On December 13 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote: I've already explained all of this, but clearly you don't read before making cases. That's to be expected though. At least I can stick to my reads. | ||
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Your explanation for saying that Spag was town and then proceeding to vote him was "I never thought Spag was town" Then what was the point of that long post to defend Spag? | ||
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On December 13 2013 05:58 Xatalos wrote: I had a slight town read on him during earlier D1. Then I realized that he had no scumhunting and tons of useless fluff. I never said I never saw him as townish. Then why didn't you communicate this opinion? Why didn't you push for his lynch? | ||
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On December 13 2013 06:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Welp, lost the doc D1. That sucks. Town doesn't mean he's right though. Can we lynch Xatalos please? Yes. He is the best lynch still. Voted for his town read and with half of his proposed scum team. Just like you said. ##Vote: Xatalos | ||
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On December 13 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: How can corazon be scum? He's pretty much confirmed vig now after his claim and the HF shot. no one else would do that. Hey look someone reads my posts! | ||
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On December 13 2013 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This was my thought as well but I wasn't certain if vigi only had one shot so I didn't want to say it yet. Cora why couldn't you just shoot Xata instead? Cause HF was more annoying. I mean he called me scum because I made a case an hour and 15 minutes after I said I would post it in an hour. He looked pretty scummy too. | ||
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And yeah, i didn't realize timezones. Only Marv has tunneled me this badly. | ||
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Sorry I'm not all omniscent... | ||
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Rayn. I have the right to be mad at you because you want to lynch Plutarch and only Plutarch. This is same shit you did in B2B and it completely destroyed the town. Your ego is so fucking big you don't want to cooperate with anyone. That is how everyone sees you and that is why you get comments like mine Lastly, if you are mad at me for being mean to you, you need to tell Plutarch to stop being such a dick too. Don't set double standards for yourself and others. | ||
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I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later. | ||
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On December 14 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand why people do not want to play mafia with you Corazon and i am joining the train starting right now. All you manage to do is pick up something that you can insult people for. That's not playing mafia. From this moment on i will never join a game where you play and i pretend you are not in this game. Unfortunately lynching you goes against my win condition so i won't do it as you are probably the only person in this game who is stupid enough to shoot the towniest guy in the game on N1 and unfortunately that makes you town. Don't bother asking me anything because i am not reading your posts. On December 14 2013 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Grackaroni does not read the thread, that's for sure. You're such a fucking hypocrite | ||
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YOU CALL ME A DICK YET YOU CONTINUE TO SAY THOSE SNIDE LITTLE FUCKING COMMENTS BEHIND MY BACK FLSZD HAGIQU4WVVHYTVI OUSHAERAWOIFSUEV5IO4TAW | ||
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