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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that cora has reads based on 17 pages of notes and has based the rest of his play off of that?
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On December 12 2013 21:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:09 Holyflare wrote:
question goes to Xatalos too Corazon. kush's vote wasn't good, but I can understand wanting to lynch someone other than Alakaslam for the information. purple's vote actually wasn't that bad, when I rethought the events. It seems reasonable to consolidate when your preferred lynch isn't happening. Are you honestly defending a "lynch for information"? Alakaslam wasn't even up for contention anymore if I'm reconstruing the situation properly. It was VA against Spaghetti. How did Spaghetti net us more 'information' than VA would?
That's true actually. I'll have to read what kush said about VA.
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On December 12 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:09 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:08 Holyflare wrote:
rayn, out of the people that I mentioned (ignoring artanis) who do you think is the scummiest person on my list? I don't know what's your list. well the people that I mentioned in my analysis post (not really a list i guess) I don't think anyone's vote is scummy besides Artanis & Xatalos and both of them are definitely not scum. How is my vote scummy? We discussed earlier that Spag would be a decent lynch. Unfortunately I came back close to the deadline and Spag seemed like the reasonable option.
Your scumreads were voting for Spag, you even mentioned it and ended up voting for him. I don't think you never said why you think Vayne is town too, while you mention the possibility of Spag being town.
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Wait a second...
Kush actually wanted to lynch VA.
Why the heck did he end up lynching his townread Spag?
This definitely doesn't look good.
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In fact you defend Spag multiple times, your scumreads vote for him, and you end up voting for him.
It makes no sense to me.
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ok now I know for a fact that none of you have read my post at all
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On December 12 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In fact you defend Spag multiple times, your scumreads vote for him, and you end up voting for him.
It makes no sense to me.
It was a close call. I'd have preferred to lynch Artanis/Corazon/purple (maybe not purple since he just started to contribute), but as someone said, bussing was a possibility. I also didn't see why VA was scum, but Spag was not scumhunting at all (even when being lynched). There was an okay chance for him to slip scum. My townreads were also voting for him.
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On December 12 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In fact you defend Spag multiple times, your scumreads vote for him, and you end up voting for him.
It makes no sense to me.
Xatalos has posted many reasons for spag being town: + Show Spoiler +On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason. They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you  They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have much time now but I see support for a Spaghetti lynch and I'm happy to join in on that. Bandwagon powers activate!
##Unvote
##Vote Spaghetticus Lol. This is probably the most bandwagony vote so far. Catching up. He actively protests against a spag lynch, see's both of his scummy reads (artanis and purple) are on spag but thinks he's a good vote anyway? Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:42 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. Bussing exists that's why I linked greyhound. That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote
##Vote Spaghetticus I'm pretty sure he has never mentioned VA in any of his filter, has a town tell post on Spag, has scum reads on this wagon and still votes him? I don't buy it.
Why are you just mimicking what I say? I asked you people that you found scummy based on their votes from my post and you mentioned Xatalos but then you only just realise this reasoning? That means you didn't actually read my post at all. Why not?
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Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing:
- Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier
- purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier
- LSB too
I don't see nothing scummy in those three.
- Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target
- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not)
- Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed.
Clear enough HF? 
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HF : Because of Xatalos asked me. Yes i could have said "because of what HF said". It does not mean i have not read your post because i have read it.
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On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF?
Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around.
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consolidation can be scummy, especially when they have actual scum reads! LSB was on sprang for a long time but never really pushed for his lynch but I can see this being an actual consolidation, purple's votes don't add up because he voted cora for not posting notes but didn't mention anything to do with cora after the notes (the notes are shit). Cora..... consolidation isn't the only reason he's scummy >_>
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On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around.
What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum.
If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is.
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On December 12 2013 21:35 Holyflare wrote:
consolidation can be scummy, especially when they have actual scum reads! LSB was on sprang for a long time but never really pushed for his lynch but I can see this being an actual consolidation, purple's votes don't add up because he voted cora for not posting notes but didn't mention anything to do with cora after the notes (the notes are shit). Cora..... consolidation isn't the only reason he's scummy >_>
Yes i know consolidation does not make them townie. It also does not make them more scummy. That's basically my point. When we are talking about voting analysis, i thought you were trying to show why those people's voting for Spag was scummy. I disagree with that. I am not talking about their other actions in this game.
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Also artanis asked about cora's meta, he has 1 scum game from a year ago (looking at the database) but I don't think you can use it because this game fits in to none of his metas. You have to take it from a point of view of him not having much time to respond. You want to get the most out of your time and so you need to prove to people how towny you are, scumhunt, post logical things etc etc. He spends his time whining about people pressuring him, making up notes that don't follow his thought process and then consolidating onto town consensus. That's not a good mentality as either alignment. So then you have to look at the content of his posts, which are not good at all and don't follow a logical thought process.
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On December 12 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:35 Holyflare wrote:
consolidation can be scummy, especially when they have actual scum reads! LSB was on sprang for a long time but never really pushed for his lynch but I can see this being an actual consolidation, purple's votes don't add up because he voted cora for not posting notes but didn't mention anything to do with cora after the notes (the notes are shit). Cora..... consolidation isn't the only reason he's scummy >_>
Yes i know consolidation does not make them townie. It also does not make them more scummy. That's basically my point. When we are talking about voting analysis, i thought you were trying to show why those people's voting for Spag was scummy. I disagree with that. I am not talking about their other actions in this game.
It was just a post outlining spag votes that did not follow a set thought process that was displayed in the game, consolidating without saying such is a similar reason.
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On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is.
Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast.
And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA).
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On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA).
Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that.
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On December 12 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that.
Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much.
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On December 12 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Holyflare i have read your post. I think what you are doing is over-analyzing: - Corazon clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - purple clearly consolidated on a target he thought was scummier - LSB too I don't see nothing scummy in those three. - Xatalos consolidated on a target that all his scumreads voted for while defending him over the other target- Artanis threw a lazy ass vote and his reasoning he is giving now doesn't look like it's lining up with his actions (he is saying he had reasons to believe Spag was scum while he had clearly not read the thread (or is lying now) - had he said "i consolidated" it would have been okay, but he is trying to explain his actions to look like something they clearly were not) - Okay i agree, kush's vote is fucking fishy, that i missed. Clear enough HF? Not really. I did mention that I disliked some of the wagon on Spag and that Spag wasn't my preferred lynch, but he also had an above average chance of flipping scum. While VA was pretty null all around. What. In case i have not misunderstood anything your other scumreads at least at that time were Corazon, Artanis and purple. All of them were voting for Spag, a guy you were not sure is scum. If that's not scummy to vote someone in that situation idk what is. Bussing is always possible, since Spag was gathering votes fast. And I'd rather not lynch someone who I don't find scummy and whose situation I hadn't had the time to fully comprehend (VA). Well why did you not try to get one of your scumreads lynched instead? Like Cora, who was voted by other people aswell. I told you to look elsewhere than Artanis for a moment and you agreed. You did nothing after that. Unfortunately I had an exam after that Artanis debacle and the battery of my phone ran out. So I came home and it was basically Spag vs VA (like 30min to deadline). It would have been unrealistic to bring someone else to the competition (especially since all my townreads were already wanting to Spag). And probably harmful as well (distracting the discussion about Spag/VA). So I went for Spag despite not liking the wagon too much.
When was this artanis debacle exactly? If you had an exam and retuend with 30 mins to lynch then you can't possibly have had time to read up on a spag lynch (who was your town read) and change your mind on him enough to vote him over a NULL read VA.
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