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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2013 11:30 GMT
#1461
See above
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2013 11:33 GMT
#1462
Pretty much just got tired of writing and was hungry so didn't really read artanis but the way I wrote it looks like I agree with him so that's probably an error on my part
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2013 11:34 GMT
#1463
I find it kinda interesting you do vote analysis but miss the scummiest vote during the whole D1... of all the votes.
That's what i am saying.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:34 GMT
#1464
On December 12 2013 20:28 Holyflare wrote:
Nah I was too lazy to read artanis' vote. You didn't have to vote either of those 2 especially as 2 of your scum reads were on spag. So why did you feel the need to vote him when you could have parked your vote on someone you actively found scummy?


I also found Spag reasonably scummy (no scumhunting, lots of fluff) at the end of the day. Why not vote for him? Doesn't make any sense to waste my vote. It wasn't even totally clear if VA or Spag was getting lynched at that point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2013 11:35 GMT
#1465
Like Artanis vote had zero reasoning behind it and he hadn't mentioned Spaghetticus EVER before that in his filter, besides the last post before the vote where he dropped some lazy ass "yeah spag is scummy" and left it there.
table for two on a tv tray
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:37 GMT
#1466
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:38 GMT
#1467
On December 12 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Artanis vote had zero reasoning behind it and he hadn't mentioned Spaghetticus EVER before that in his filter, besides the last post before the vote where he dropped some lazy ass "yeah spag is scummy" and left it there.


Yeah, I really fail to see how HF could come to the conclusion that Artanis's vote was one of the towniest...........
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2013 11:39 GMT
#1468
I feel like nobody is reading -.-
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:40 GMT
#1469
On December 12 2013 20:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?


What's there to read? You barely mentioned Spag and then eagerly locked your vote on him. Do you even have reasoning for your vote?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:40 GMT
#1470
On December 12 2013 20:40 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 20:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?


What's there to read? You barely mentioned Spag and then eagerly locked your vote on him. Do you even have reasoning for your vote?

Have you opened my filter or did you just presume what Rayn said was correct? I even quoted it again earlier.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 12 2013 11:41 GMT
#1471
On December 12 2013 20:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?

You are right. You also had at least one post earlier where you state you find Spag's posting townie.
You never try to do anything with that suspicion, and you definitely did not care about the lynch on D1.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:44 GMT
#1472
On December 12 2013 20:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 20:40 Xatalos wrote:
On December 12 2013 20:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?


What's there to read? You barely mentioned Spag and then eagerly locked your vote on him. Do you even have reasoning for your vote?

Have you opened my filter or did you just presume what Rayn said was correct? I even quoted it again earlier.


You did mention a slight suspicion of Spag...

On December 11 2013 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Grack is too dumb to be scum. No sane scum would try to go after Rayn right now. He's wrong about Xatalos but I like the point on Spaghetticus in that he seems to try to look like he's contributing without contributing. In LXIII I instantly had a rock solid town read on him because he was too paranoid about everyone and mistrusting everything. The post Grack quoted of him shows a completely different approach to the game than he had in LXIII. Instead of being full of uncertainty and paranoia, he assaults Corazon and calls him bad rather than scum. He's being more carefree this game and overall less suspicious. Dun like it.


But that's it really. Then you talked about other stuff, disappeared, voted, and disappeared.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:44 GMT
#1473
On December 12 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 20:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning?
That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them.

You really aren't reading are you?

You are right. You also had at least one post earlier where you state you find Spag's posting townie.
You never try to do anything with that suspicion, and you definitely did not care about the lynch on D1.

So you opened my filter and you managed to miss the post WHICH I QUOTED AGAIN again? Are you trying to make me angry? Here it is a third time for your convenience.
On December 11 2013 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Grack is too dumb to be scum. No sane scum would try to go after Rayn right now. He's wrong about Xatalos but I like the point on Spaghetticus in that he seems to try to look like he's contributing without contributing. In LXIII I instantly had a rock solid town read on him because he was too paranoid about everyone and mistrusting everything. The post Grack quoted of him shows a completely different approach to the game than he had in LXIII. Instead of being full of uncertainty and paranoia, he assaults Corazon and calls him bad rather than scum. He's being more carefree this game and overall less suspicious. Dun like it.



I couldn't care about the lynch on D1 past the first 24 hours because I was out all day. I saw one of the people I found suspicious being voted a lot when I checked in briefly so I switched my vote. I could've also just peaced out all day and leave my vote on Xatalos and make it meaningless. Do you think that would be less suspicious?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2013 11:44 GMT
#1474
Stop arguing about this needless crap, you are arguing with the person who you think is scummy, what good will that do? Artanis what do you think of my points on cora now? You seemed to be coming around to the idea that he was getting more and more scummy when I interacted with you earlier.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:47 GMT
#1475
On December 12 2013 20:44 Holyflare wrote:
Stop arguing about this needless crap, you are arguing with the person who you think is scummy, what good will that do? Artanis what do you think of my points on cora now? You seemed to be coming around to the idea that he was getting more and more scummy when I interacted with you earlier.

I don't think Cora and Xatalos are likely to be scum together. I find Xatalos highly likely to be scum. If Xata turns out to somehow be town then maybe. He definitely doesn't look good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2013 11:48 GMT
#1476
Well what do you think about the points. In detail please.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:48 GMT
#1477
On December 12 2013 20:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I couldn't care about the lynch on D1 past the first 24 hours because I was out all day. I saw one of the people I found suspicious being voted a lot when I checked in briefly so I switched my vote. I could've also just peaced out all day and leave my vote on Xatalos and make it meaningless. Do you think that would be less suspicious?


I think it's more suspicious to just throw some slight suspicion around and then bandwagoning when you see the chance.

But anyways, HF is right. This doesn't really achieve much (for now).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:54 GMT
#1478
On December 12 2013 20:48 Holyflare wrote:
Well what do you think about the points. In detail please.

Ever since making a massive case on a town BC as town in LXI I don't believe in big cases anymore. There's few things that separate someone from being bad and being scum. I can see Cora simply being defensive in saying that he has notes as a way to relieve pressure. Discrepancies like calling Spag, purple, and VA his biggest 3 reads then those not being the same three in his notes leads me to believe he's being careless, not scum. Scum aren't careless. I don't have meta experience with Cora. You say you remember him playing differently in a town game, being far more proactive. This is only relevant if he's rolled scum and played differently in that regard. Have you played a game with scum Cora, and is it similar to this one?

His vote on Spaghetti is bad, but if everyone that voted poorly was scum we'd have a lotta scum this game.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 11:57 GMT
#1479
It's still more likely for scum to vote poorly than for town.

What kind of a defense is that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 11:59 GMT
#1480
On December 12 2013 20:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's still more likely for scum to vote poorly than for town.

What kind of a defense is that?

Actually if we look at LXIII scum voted a lot better than town. Being right or wrong has no bearing on your alignment.
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