EPTand yea the first thing I thought of while reading that sidesprang post is "lol going to keep an eye on him after I get rid of the less desirables"
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
and yea the first thing I thought of while reading that sidesprang post is "lol going to keep an eye on him after I get rid of the less desirables" | ||
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Holyflare
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 10 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote: Also cora promised me a case! Most disappointed Sorry I have a life and things to do. I literally just got home. You're gonna be my vote after Xalatos flips scum, btw | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote: I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ? B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1. C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example. About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him. And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote: I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example. -------- About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town. He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me". And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at. ------- @Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating. Why is that anti-town? How is it anti-town to tell people to stand on their decisions and vote for their scum reads? That is what I think HF. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 10 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote: I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
You then point out exactly what the last page or two was about in regards to spammers, everyone had already mentioned it, it isn't a contribution at all. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 10 2013 11:19 Corazon wrote: God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game? How do you know that was his aim? ... Do you like ice? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Xalatos Case So I'm still trying to understand the case meta. My newest attempt to get people to read my cases will be to put it in TL;DR and spoiler the proof/bigger arguments. TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around. 2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta. 3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming. Filter dive (the actual case): + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: Indeed that's a starting post leaning on the scummy side. 1) Why mention these time restraints right after receiving the role PM rather than... before the game started maybe? 2) Focusing on policy/lurker lynching (the easiest target for Mafia). 3) Overall a pretty careful and and meek post with no content, yet managing to look reasonable on the first glance (somewhat) Looks like this game is starting well. These are really bad reasons to be focusing on me. His first point is WIFOM, his second point shows that he fails to think about why I would say that, and his third post is a blatant lie because of the nature of the beginning of the game. This looks like scum trying to jump on an easy lynch early. On December 10 2013 06:25 Xatalos wrote: May I ask... Where did you disappear to? This is the kind of non-contribution that Mafia love to make. Especially combined with fading to the background right after that. He makes this post right after attacking me. If he was town, he would be focusing on one read and trying to work with me instead of side-tracking himself on Slam. Also, didn't he just say I was scummy for talking about lurkers and non-contributors? He just contradicted himself. On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote: Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town. This just screams to me of "hey, look how townie I am!". Xalatos is hoping that the town does not understand the difference between aggression and shit-flinging. His logic is bad (which I've proven) and his opinions are completely wrong because he just wants to paint me as scum by twisting the facts. He is trying to justify his shit-flinging by saying that it makes him town and that he does not like slow D1s. It's really suspicious in my eyes. He also made a post where he attacked me for being defensive. It's really hypocritical to say that because I've had to defend myself from the shit-flinging from him and HF. He's just looking for ways to kick me while I'm down and say "hey guys, I have a developed scum read!" when in fact he is just reaching for things to call me scummy. You guys have all seen the posts of him attacking others. He attacked Rayn for sleeping. WTF is that? Why call Rayn (someone who spams in every game he is in) a lurker because he was sleeping? That accomplishes nothing and it just shows he is trying to attack people for the sake of getting town credit. ##Vote: Xalatos Unlike Xalatos, who will throw his vote around willy-nilly, I'm ready to lynch this guy. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Why, if you say so many times, that votes are meaningless at the start of the game have you thrown out a vote only 6ish hours into the game? ----------------------------- I also would like your opinions on other people within the game too. What do you think of artanis' posting style so far? Do you think the points I wrote here are valid? : + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
XATALOS (2): Corazon, Artanis[Xp] ALAKASLAM (2): VayneAuthority, Spaghetticus CORAZON (2): Holyflare, Xatalos PURPLETRATOR (1): raynpelikoneet KUSHM4STA (1): LSB NOT VOTING (10): Pandain, kushmasta, Grackaroni, JarJarDrinks, Plutarch, Alakaslam, sidesprang, xigxag, bumatlarge, purpletrator Let me know if I missed anyone! Deadline is in | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote: It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. How is stating that you would rather lynch scum than coin-flip on a lurker lynch a 'hollow statement'? I would like you to clarify because it seemed reasonably clear to me. On December 10 2013 06:40 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, it's good to demand explanations for hollow statements. That, however, was quite clear in my opinion: it's better to lynch scummy players rather than lurky players (higher chance of success). Basically this. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 10 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: I understand your reasoning but I'd like to question your point 3. Why would scum jump on a bandwagon within the first page of the game? By your own logic votes and accusations don't really mean anything at the start of the game so why do you think it is a scum tactic to further aggression onto a person? Like you say that is quite clearly not proper aggression if that person is then willing to switch their votes later on, so why is it contributing to a 1/3 of your case points? Why, if you say so many times, that votes are meaningless at the start of the game have you thrown out a vote only 6ish hours into the game? ----------------------------- I also would like your opinions on other people within the game too. What do you think of artanis' posting style so far? Do you think the points I wrote here are valid? : + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. It wouldn't be scummy if Xalatos' reasoning was valid, but he's just shit flinging. Why is it scummy for me to change my opinion from game to game? I change my opinions as I win/lose games. That point is invalid. In my opinion, you are calling Artanis wrong simply because he is defending me. You're getting confirmation bias. Xalatos jumping on my bandwagon would not look ridiculously scummy if he had no decided to jump on 5 other people before going back on me. Don't you think that someone should stick to their story if they intend to lynch someone? Do you think Xalatos believes in his case if he goes after 5 targets in the span of 2 hours? Why are you asking me about opinions on other players and then tell me to respond to your case? I'm only looking at 3 people so far for this lynch. Of course it's only 6 hours in so... Xalatos HF Purple Who do you want to know more about? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 10 2013 12:15 Pandain wrote: Quick quedtion Holy do you think early game votes are pretty meaningless as well What possible use is this to any conversation present in this game? | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
I agree with spag that slam is basically doing nothing but shit-posting. If I was going to policy lynch someone it would certainly be him simply because he is making the game worse by being in it. Cora sounds bad and seems pretty scummy but he is doing the right thing by making a case and trying to scum hunt, even if I am not convinced by it I appreciate the effort. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 10 2013 06:53 Corazon wrote: Lol can I go one game without being the first one voted. Do you guys really think I'm more scummy at this point than Spag and Slam? I'm being open and honest with all of you. I'm not hiding anything. I've always tried to be genuine and not put up façades or wear masks. I'm telling you that I was going to be busy and I told you how I felt coming into this game. If you guys want to call me scum for that, go ahead. But just know that it is really silly to call me scum when Slam and Spag made one post and peaced out. Spag had to be coerced back into the thread and Slam still hasn't come back. Plutarch wasn't trying to prod me for discussion; he was trying to twist my words and call me scum. Holyflare is just piggybacking off of everyone else's arguments to take town credit. If you guys would look into the game, you would see that I am far from the scummiest player here. Also, it is good to know that you are all down for pressure voting so now I don't have to take your votes seriously until very close to the deadline. Sweet. I asked for your opinion on people and asked you to further elaborate on artanis based on what i've said, this is how I play mafia, there is no need whatsoever to. I didn't intend for you to only comment on him. | ||
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