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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Corazon
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Holyflare
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VayneAuthority
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Holyflare
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 10 2013 12:47 Holyflare wrote: I never talked about any possibility of relationships based on unflipped players thank you. Sorry that was Xatalos. I will try to answer your question again. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
Sure, he disagree's with many of xatalos' posts and states some logical incongruities, but nothing that he points out makes me think xatalos is scum, and a few things seem townie. On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: Xalatos Case TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around. Generally, moving your vote around early day one is something I would associate with town. Can you provide a reason that you believe that moving your vote around is more likely to be something scum would do? On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: 2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta. Both town and scum use faulty logic and can be aggressive. On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: 3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming. He hardly jumped on as bandwagon as his vote was the first. I'm not sure if you could genuinely believe that these things cause xatalos to be scum. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I think it's ok to change my mind if the circumstances change. My vote is different from the others because I plan to see it through. I'm pretty convinced Xatalos is just shitting up the thread and is either scum or is a liability as a town player. I'm curious to see why you are attacking me for changing my mind (or contradicting myself, which is another way of looking at it) yet you look away when Xatalos attacks 5 people in two hours. About other players: I would rather keep the discussion on Xatalos for now. I've already voiced my suspicions of you and I have a slight suspicion of Purple and Spag but nothing enough to make a big deal out of it right now. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. I don't understand how you can apply this reasoning toward corazon not being scum, and yet believe that Xatalos is scum despite also putting himself into the spotlight through the application of pressure and votes. You mentioned a distinction that Xatalos was not actually putting himself into the spotlight despite clearly doing so. Would you be able to clearly explain this distinction? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote: By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. | ||
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purpletrator
Vanuatu64 Posts
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote: @Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. Cora, do you know rayn's townplay? If so, how would you characterize it? | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote: @Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? | ||
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purpletrator
Vanuatu64 Posts
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Lynch not the active for it encourages inactivity The votes on people who are talking are probably bad. Let Xalatis mouth off if he wants to, aside from aimless spam (Abra, I'm looking at you). A good mafia knows he will get caught if he posts without thinking. If everyone is active, good. If thou hast reads of green, keep them to thyself til it proves fruitful. No one gives two shits about random town reads when they aren't being threatened. Their only danger is mafia, and if they get hit then he is doing his job better then you are. Though shalt not meta At least not early. I.E. If I said you shouldn't lynch me day 1 because I was lynched day 1 last game as town, I'm full of shit. You may know someone, but your read is either too fresh or too old. Let this game sink in. ( lol sink) I don't know many of you, and I'm on my phone so I can't review the thread better, but I'm not an awful player and I don't want people to fall into mentalities they shouldn't. By the way, you shouldn't lynch because I was lynched day 1 last game and I was town.  | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote: I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote: It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Thou shall not betray own plan in PYP mafia or else someone will replace in and mess you up.  | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote: Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazon I expect better from you. | ||
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