EPTII Titanic Mini Mafia - Page 13
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That's exactly what he is doing in this game, and it's not what he does as mafia. As mafia he cares about his team winning and pushes scum agenda and that's definitely not what he is doing here. | ||
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I'm soon fully back so i will make up my decision. | ||
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FUCK THIS! Lynch Artanis. He is scum. 1) His reasoning on Xatalos being scum is still the same that on D1. Nothing has changed, he hasn't taken a different approach on getting him lynched while it's clear the D1 won't work (as Xatalos was not lynched on D1). He is not really trying to lynch Xatalos. 2) He calls multiple people scummy or bad and discredits them. Read the last couple of pages in his filter. Me, kush, Grack, Vayne (+ he has the contradicting read on him in the same post). Also his read on Cora changes weirdly in the middle of N1. He has no intention to figure out any of those people's alignment, he just calls them scummy or bad and does not even explain the reasoning behind it. Just look at his filter, people have "extra info" or "are working under scum mindset" but never he explains why. 3) He calls nearly all the Spaghetticus votes bad, but then he hadn't even read how the votes went down and why as he couldn't explain which votes in particularly were bad. Then he just paints them as bad and doesn't look more into them but magically Xatalos' voting behavior ends up in his case. There is no reason Xatalos' vote should have been any more scummy than other "bad votes". He is not trying to find scum and just calling people scummy or bad left and right and not explaining why. Definitely mafia. I don't like lynching vayne, i am pretty sure he is town. LSB is a bad lynch too i think, he's playing better than he did in PYP at least post-qualitywise. He is explaining his reads and while the methods are a bit... interesting, i don't think there is anything scummy in it. Artanis is the best lynch today. ##Vote: Artanis | ||
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On December 15 2013 03:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: @rayne - U think Vayne is town. U think I'm town. I make a huge case against Vayne which has some real good points. Where are all the scum sheep votes? No scum wants to bandwagon such a thought out case from a townie? There's just too much resistance for vayne to be town. Or Maybe you think scum already has a person voting vayne? You can't tell me that you believe town is making a case against town and 2 townies are the only people on the wagon. Someone is scum in that group. Not necessarily as i think LSB is town aswell. And i do not know about sidesprang and xigxag. Althoguh the latter looks worse to me. | ||
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On December 15 2013 03:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff. Yes i did not think Mocsta was mafia until he went on and shot StorrZerg. I told him his case was not good but i could have seen town!Mocsta do that case. Maybe i am just shitty in reading him. Can you do/answer the following: 1) Give me the reasoning why Xatalos is mafia. I promise you i will be reading his filter and tell you what i think. 2) Do you think you can get Xatalos lynched today? If not, could you give at least 2 people who you think are mafia, with reasoning, not only saying they "work under mafia mindset" or "are bad or scum". Like actually explain why something means something to you. If you are town it's really hard to tell atm because that's honestly what you are doing in your reads on about ~half of the people in this game. | ||
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On December 15 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sure. Can you answer me why you were unwilling to talk to me earlier because you considered me scum when that read hasn't changed, yet are willing to do so now? I think it was yesterday? I made quite a faceplant when i was walking home on Thursday. I look like a fucking mosnter and didn't feel quite well yesterday..  | ||
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On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote: I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum. No, i want to lynch the scum one of them because they are both really valuable as town. Not doing 1-1's here. | ||
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On December 15 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: if xigxag lives we have a strong chance of losing no matter his alignment. you don't have town read on him lynch I actually could get behind this. I gotta read Artanis' case and Xatalos first. Could you do that too, read Artanis & Xatalos? Or if you have done so could you tell your opinion. | ||
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-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him. Is till think this can be interpreted as forcing discussion aswell. Is there anything particular that makes you think mafia would stick their neck out like that so early in the game for no reason? Xatalos was the main person to start discussion. -First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread. I actually agree on this one. Xatalos does not really have anything on you besides OMGUS. -Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone. Yeah this was weird, i think i commented on it on D1 or N1. -Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti. I don't think this is as scummy as it looks like, unless Vayne is mafia, which i do not believe. However i think this point does not make Xatalos scum. -Makes a post with a big push on me, then goes on with the order of the day. Doesn't force anyone to pay attention to the case he made. He brings it up sometimes but in a very casual way and doesn't force people to look at it when it's ignored. -Wishy-Washy thing on me made absolutely no sense when he had a wishy-washy stance on me himself. I'm the scapegoat for his plans. He doesn't actually wants to lynch me because he knows I'll flip green, so he finds any reason he can to try and paint me red. The worse the reason, the better as it won't actually convince anyone. Yeah D2 is a clusterfuck from him, but then again i don't think anyone else has done much either. Basically nearly all the people fall into same category on D2, including you. Ugh, Artanis how would you feel about xigxag lynch? | ||
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##Vote: xigxag | ||
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On December 15 2013 04:40 Grackaroni wrote: lol BH I don't see why you feel XX is so useless. There are people doing less. Yeah but those people look town.. | ||
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I really really did not like how he did instantly shit on me for calling Plutarch out and not giving any reasons why. If he thought he was confirmed town because of the flavor and HF's last post why not just straight out say so. Why only later on? | ||
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Because yamato is capable of making good posts as scum on D1. Not many people can see him as scum on D1. Since then he's fallen off the earth and made a case on LSB (which i think he is contradicting himself in). | ||
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