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Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 13 2013 11:53 GMT

#1758

Anyway. Do you still find LSB scummy? Because I think he seems very scummy right now.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 00:48 GMT

#1950

On December 14 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I asked Plutarch about those exact posts and he said it was not a big deal. But when LSB consolidates on one of the two top targets it suddenly somehow becomes suspicious? LSB makes 4 "bandwagony" votes, not suspicious -> LSB consolidates on current lynch targets suddenly all of his votes become suspicious. That's really bad. If LSB had not consolidated he would have been called out for not caring about the lynch.

I can see where you are coming from, the main point is that I re read his filter after I felt this post, which you call consolidation but I call scummy, Jumped out at me.

On December 13 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:

This post is really scummy in my opinion.

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This reads to me as if LSB is trying to avoid any responsibility for a mislynch whilst still joining the wagon. He says he is not confident about spag being scum and yet also says spag is more likely to be scum than town. Generally a scummy post to make when hopping on a town wagon at the end.

I then re-read his filter and noticed that he called out bandwagoning without reasoning scummy. Even though that is what he has done all game.

That is my main argument against LSB and is something that you didn;t mention in your post and something that I had not noticed at the time.

I feel this should be a more than satisfactory explanation and would like your input on how you would feel about a LSB lynch.

If you continue to tunnel me even though I have a satisfactory explanation then I will ignore you because it distracts me from catching scum.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 00:56 GMT

#1951

On December 14 2013 03:53 purpletrator wrote:

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On December 14 2013 03:51 LSB wrote:

On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:

On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.

On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:

On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:

On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:

On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.

On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.

On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:

On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:

On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as

On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:

On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:

On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by

On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.

purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf

On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later

On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:

On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:

On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:

On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:

On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:

On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.

I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"

Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon

Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?

WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"?

There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know.

I vote for scum and I don't vote for town

We are in disagreement. Since I am bored, tell me if you think Holyflares final post confirms Plutarch as town?

So holyflare medic protected me and crumbed it. There were only two deaths instead of three. What is more likely? That I was shot and med protected? Or holyflare was double stacked?

I think holyflare was at least as townie looking as I was. But it certainly is possible. I am not confirmed by this however.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 01:03 GMT

#1952

On December 14 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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You shot the town medic who was like the towniest dude in the game.

Why so happy about that my good friend? :D

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 01:09 GMT

#1956

On December 14 2013 08:54 Blazinghand wrote:
to be 100% clear, and this is aimed at non-kush people: having seen cora's posts, you basically ignored them (except perhaps to giggle) and now that he/I is/are confirmed town, you might take him seriously if he was capable of hunting scum at all. But since he failed to do so and shot a medic, nothing he said should be considered seriously for updating your own reads. Even the badness of his read on hf, for example, should not be considered; I am the vigi. I am town, there is no counterclaim.

There is no reason to read cora's filter or think about him for the rest of the game, and any attempt to do so is highly scummy. If you're town, don't do it, it doesn't help us.

I agree with this.

Confirmed town blazinghand can be a powerful thing. Roaming the land, destroying scum with a single punch from his blazing.... hand.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 01:12 GMT

#1957

Xigxag said yesterday that he was re-reading the thread. But he never finished and posted a general conclusion. I think that Xigxag would be a good lynch. He was scummy on day one and now is afk. Not good.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 01:31 GMT

#1959

On December 14 2013 10:29 kushm4sta wrote:
plutarch why xigxag instead of LSB? especially now that lsb has this wagon going on him?

bh simmer down son i just got pissed mods telling us what to do . i agree corazon's opinions and thoughts are useless despite the fact that he is confirmed town.

Why instead? I think LSB is scum, he hasn't really posted anything new to talk about so I'm going to look at someone else. No point in wasting the day when I will probably die at night.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 02:30 GMT

#1960

Wish people were around.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 02:52 GMT

#1963

What do you two think about rayn?

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 02:59 GMT

#1965

Hmm. I want to agree with you but I know he can play this way as scum. (Catch 22) and his tunnel of me felt really odd and Irrational.

I don't want to OMGUS which is why I want some further opinions.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 13:12 GMT

#2025

I am having internet access issues. As such I will pop my vote on LSB as that is the main guy I think we should lynch. I will try my best to be around for the deadline but it may be impossible.

I have read the thread but have no time to post as much as I would like. My apologies.

##vote: LSB

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:30 GMT

#2162

OK im back. Rayn why is your vote parked uselessly on purple?

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:39 GMT

#2176

On December 15 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Because everyone online right now thinks he is scum, i think he is scum and i am trying to get people vote for him.
wtf is wrong with you?

There don;t seem to be enough people for shenanigans. So you should probably vote for whoever is most likely to be scum out of a leading wagon.

I don't get why everyone decided that LSB was a bad lynch. Nothing has convinced me he is town and he showed up to simply vote vayne and disappear.

I agree with kush that someone who looks scummy can actually be scum. I think town is just wifoming out of this one to be honest.

That being said I am up for shenanigans if I agree with the case. Purple seems townie to me though.

(superficially rayn, I may change my mind if I analyze his filter again ffs)

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:41 GMT

#2180

On December 15 2013 05:40 Alakaslam wrote:
ALRIGHT LOOK.

Would the xata pair and rate just consolidate on xigxag please? Because Blazinghand?

I could do this. xigxag has been scummy since day one.

##unvote:

##Vote: Xigxag

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:42 GMT

#2183

On December 15 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Plutarch can we lynch you if LSB flips town?

No. I'm not confident enough for that, besides people who make those kind of promises are driven by ego rather than trying to win the game.

Why would I lynch myself when I know I am town. Dumb.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:43 GMT

#2186

Hmm. are you honestly that certain?

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:44 GMT

#2188

On December 15 2013 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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What do you find scummy in his filter?

Read my case on him from day one? or the follow up I posted?

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:44 GMT

#2192

I'm looking up my notes on purple one sec.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:47 GMT

#2198

From my notes:

I have him town because he has made some good points and seemed quite suspicious of me at the start. I think this is thrawn or yamato cause they always call me scum early. Hue. He should probs be null tho....

Watch closely.

So apparently I have him town but I told myself he shouldn't be.

Plutarch

Greece515 Posts

December 14 2013 20:49 GMT

#2201

##Unvote

##vote:purple

Rayn seems more confident than I am about any lynch. I will help him with shenanigans.

Townies Unite!!

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