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On December 11 2013 03:43 supersoft wrote:
Sounds like a plan men!
Let's do this.
Should I wait with the teleport or should I teleport right now?
I think between JL and rean is the best spot. But pretty useless if we manage to take him out.
Regardless I doubt that we have enough KP
I have 100, anni has 225 and cho has 200? that's lousy 525 KP :-/
If the plan was to kill JL with KP why would supersoft not want to throw a KP card on JL instead of doing something shitty like teleporting? Why did noone bring this up before?
My other vote is going to LSB, i think we need to lynch supersoft as the other target.
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On December 12 2013 19:11 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 19:09 kushm4sta wrote:
@ss
1 coag's bomb
he picked MZ not because of MZ's alignment, but because that was someone who town would conceivable nuke at that point in the game. So he had to pick MZ so that his story would make sense.
2 not sure about this one. then why didnt he nuke MZ if MZ is town? Why not take the easy towncred instead of scumclaiming by shooting fuba -_-
I think you are not reading very closely because what you are saying does not make any sense.
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Yeah, why did you not want to hit JL with KP?
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On December 12 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote:
supersoft filter is clean enough for me, there is a shitton of talk in which he cosntantly talks about what is happening in the thread at that point.
If that's your reasoning for townreading someone i would like you to elaborate on your town read on Onegu, because he NEVER talks about ANYTHING that's currently going on in thread.
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So let's look at the case:
On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining anyvotes per Sandro's arguement) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get onboard the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances. 2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didnt mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasnt going to go through. 3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false. 4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isnt one of them. 5. The talon thing obviously wasnt a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and thats why we shouldnt ban talon. Im saying sometimes they are found sometimes they arent, so not banning him bassed on that is wierd. 6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didnt want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded. 7. My point is you never have stong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you dont have strong feelings for. I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did.
I don't even look at the case because the answer and the answer to it is far more alignment indicative from both parties:
2 & 4: Lazy, not scum, as Onegu himself says in (4). Actually points (2) and (4)directly contradict each other.
3: misrepresentation
5: not a big deal, Onegu says this does not make Odin scum
6: retracts from this one
7: see (2) and (4). Did Onegu ever try to push a lynch on Odin? Does Onegu seem like he has "strong feelings" on anyone?
So my question is, how is the case good again?
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On December 12 2013 20:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 18:24 supersoft wrote:
Meapak_ziphh is scum!
1. Coags bomb
The bomb makes very little sense to me. But one thing is kind of obvious. Why would Coag say he throws the bomb at MZ but actually throw the bomb at fuba, when MZ is town? This bombusage heavily incriminates MZ. The only reason, coag wouldn't throw the bomb at MZ is, that MZ is scum.
2. Meapaks abilities
This second abilitie seems to be fake. Everyone has their ultimates. Yes, rean pointed out, Ahri and Mundo have their ultimates as first abilitie. But unless anyone else claims, that he has no ultimate, this is a huge scumslip of MZ.
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##vote Meapak_ziphh I don't think this is a good reasoning at all. 1) Why would Coag straight out incriminate MZ like that if MZ was scum? 2) "His ability seems fake" does not convince me. Why not let him prove it? He can't prove it that easily. If he was town scum could fuck with it by shooting the person he shoots or by shielding them/roleblocking him whatever. If he is scum he could lie about all those things or he actually has this ability but didn't gave us the whole description because the 50 KP at 3 persons isn't all of it. No, he won't be able to prove it and I won't wait to see that this is the case. Lynch him now.
I am not saying MZ is town becauce of Coag.
I am sayind supersoft's points against MZ are:
1) WIFOM
2) WIFOM
The case is bullshit. That's what i am saying.
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Onegu and LSB are far better lynches than anyone else.
##Vote: Onegu
##Vote: LSB
I don't think MZ is scum but i won't defend him either. Go ahead and lynch him if you want to but i think it's a mislynch since every scummy motherfukcer has been saying MZ is scum for ages without a real case.
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Yeah well you have gotten everything just as wrong as i have in this game JAT so i wouldn't talk too much about who's right and wrong if i was you. At least in a manner you are atm.
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On December 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So let's look at the case: On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote:On December 06 2013 12:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining anyvotes per Sandro's arguement) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get onboard the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances. 2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didnt mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasnt going to go through. 3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false. 4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isnt one of them. 5. The talon thing obviously wasnt a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and thats why we shouldnt ban talon. Im saying sometimes they are found sometimes they arent, so not banning him bassed on that is wierd. 6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didnt want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded. 7. My point is you never have stong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you dont have strong feelings for. I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did. I don't even look at the case because the answer and the answer to it is far more alignment indicative from both parties: 2 & 4: Lazy, not scum, as Onegu himself says in (4). Actually points (2) and (4)directly contradict each other. 3: misrepresentation 5: not a big deal, Onegu says this does not make Odin scum 6: retracts from this one 7: see (2) and (4). Did Onegu ever try to push a lynch on Odin? Does Onegu seem like he has "strong feelings" on anyone? So my question is, how is the case good again? It is quite clear that you didn't read the case. Onegu calls out Odin on point 2 & 4 for making a case on Kush that proves Kush is lazy but not necessairly scum. But that is not my point. My point is that scum Onegu is more likely to buss teammates with a good but not too good case. Scum Onegu is unlikely to make a pretty awesome case on Odin who turns out to be town. Could you just read the case entirely please? Tell me that comes from scum Onegu.
wtf are you talking about Koshi? If i remember correctly scum!Onegu made a case on a fucking near confirmed townie in ##'s game. So yes, i think he is capable of making cases against townies.
Again, the case is not awesome. I don't care about the case because it's irrelevant, the answer to the case is relevant. If i make a case on someone that looks reallllly good and when they answer it all that's left is "you are right, i was wrong" and contradictions, was the case good?
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And ofc it clear i didn't read the case because i said so.. duh..
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Seems like "there must be scum on yamato therefore rayn is scum" like a case again. 
not worth commenting on.
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On December 12 2013 20:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would they swap Koshi?
Because geript was the one that made austing get lynched with his ninja vote.
Either scum played "yolo let's see if town fucks up" or votes do not matter.
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On December 12 2013 20:42 justanothertownie wrote:
According to MZ at least 4 scum voted for the same person day 2. According to MZ this person is also scum. It was absolutely possible that this scum would have been lynched. Still there were two other wagons on townies.
Makes sense, right?
Yeah in Aperture all scum bussed Slam and town nearly still didn't lynch him.
so wifom.
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On December 12 2013 20:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On December 12 2013 20:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 12 2013 20:38 justanothertownie wrote:On December 12 2013 20:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 12 2013 20:33 Koshi wrote:
So it is kinda really strange that both Coag and JL don't swap to austin tbh. I am sad. This is what I was trying to explain to JAT but now he won't talk to me. If you'll notice, LSB is voting roffles as well and he's my other lynch target. Yeah, because you played so many scum games you will tell me now why scum always votes as a collective. No JAT. What I'm trying to tell you is that scum vote for each other because people do what we're doing now and go back and look at flips. It puts in WIFOM and can make other members look better. And if you think that scum have to stay away from voting in groups again you're sorely mistaken. Like, I've seen it happen, it's not that out of the ordinary, especially when there is a bunch of last minute switching. In my experience last minute switches are hard to deal with as scum so better just to park on someone who's not getting lynched and wait it out. They parked their votes when roffles was a serious candidate. They parked their votes 3 and 4 hours before the end of the day lol. And in the case of coag, it's pretty clear he was around for that whole time judging by his post right after the flip.
So why did Coag not save MZ? Did he just magically expect geript to do so?
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On December 12 2013 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 20:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 12 2013 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:On December 12 2013 20:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 12 2013 20:38 justanothertownie wrote:On December 12 2013 20:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 12 2013 20:33 Koshi wrote:
So it is kinda really strange that both Coag and JL don't swap to austin tbh. I am sad. This is what I was trying to explain to JAT but now he won't talk to me. If you'll notice, LSB is voting roffles as well and he's my other lynch target. Yeah, because you played so many scum games you will tell me now why scum always votes as a collective. No JAT. What I'm trying to tell you is that scum vote for each other because people do what we're doing now and go back and look at flips. It puts in WIFOM and can make other members look better. And if you think that scum have to stay away from voting in groups again you're sorely mistaken. Like, I've seen it happen, it's not that out of the ordinary, especially when there is a bunch of last minute switching. In my experience last minute switches are hard to deal with as scum so better just to park on someone who's not getting lynched and wait it out. They parked their votes when roffles was a serious candidate. They parked their votes 3 and 4 hours before the end of the day lol. And in the case of coag, it's pretty clear he was around for that whole time judging by his post right after the flip. So why did Coag not save MZ? Did he just magically expect geript to do so? Because it would have been exceptionally scummy to do so. Especially for coag because everybody would have seen that he indeed gave a fuck about the lynch.
So your argument is "better just get his scumbuddy lynched". Considering you are talking about voting analysis where you are basing your read on MZ right now his conversation is stupid.
Mafia does not want their own lynched if they can avoid it. There was certainly ways they could have avoided it before last second. They did not do that. So your argument is not valid and you can't use voting analysis to say MZ is scum.
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On December 12 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote:
rayn, I can't help but feel that you have been defending MZ this entire game. Why exactly?
Because i do not think he is scum. And the points brought against him are bad, because there are no real points brought against him. And no Koshi, your case was not good.
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Like i tried to get him copped last night to stop this stupid shit where people just say "but MZ is scum" but people refused to so. I wonder why..
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On December 12 2013 22:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, what does your invention do?
Double lynch. You can vote twice and top 2 dies. How do you miss things like this...
Hey you are talking about a guy who forgot he was medic.. Two games in a row.
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btw jcarl basically can't be scum because he gave the lantern to VE for N2 and mafia did not try to kill VE on N2.
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On December 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
thought that was someones ult woops.
Rayn why would scum want to kill VE if he has the lantern?
Because the lantern makes him unroleblockable, which means he would have a check on D3 if he uses it.
Do you think mafia decided "let's make VE unroleblockable and leave him alive so that he can have his cop checks"?
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