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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#821
On November 22 2013 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
Would you rather I read the whole thread or post on the first half that I have read first?

Your task for D1:
Vote for JJD. If he flips town kill me on D2.

thanks <3
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#822
Yeh, no thanks, not yet anyway
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 21 2013 23:45 GMT
#823
thrawn you are not saying anything useful.
can you answer my questions please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 22 2013 00:01 GMT
#824
So what, are you all waiting for Mocsta before saying anything?
Cowards. Give your opinions. Aquanim was okay regarding that already.

Holyflare how long does it take you to catch up? I see you posting in other game. Could you focus on this one please, as the lynch there is a day later?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:06 GMT
#825
K, I am here with a stable connection.

Will start reading from p37
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 00:06 GMT
#826
I don't like admitting it but I read jjd's filter and I have no clue why I have found him townie all game long.... right now my ego is preventing me from coming to a conclusion about this so I will work on that after writing this post on what I think about other stuff.

For now, ##unvote because i'm scared that rayn is town because his comment about his play in desert somewhat convinced me that what he's doing could be town rayn play.. for all who don't know, near the end of the D1 lynch rayn fakeclaimed something to try and save a guy from getting lynched rayn had a town read on.... and that wasn't the only time that game he fakeclaimed to try and force his will upon the thread. I'm also scared that if he is town then a rayn lynch doesn't tell us anything about anyone's lynch motivations because he was so easy to vote for.

On November 22 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn if you are town i ask you the following: (1) What's your current read on Jampidampi? (2) Pretend for a second i am not in the game (what i mean is ignore the me <-> others shitstorm), who are your top 2 scumreads and why?


I was about to push him as an alternate lynch to Rean until you caused all the drama. At that moment when you literally promised to spam the thread with BS if people don't lynch one of Mocsta or you there was no doubt in my mind you were scum. Jampi's hesitancy towards reading you is probably bad no matter your alignment.

Here is what i said about him before all the you drama:

On November 21 2013 20:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
He entered the game without commentating on the biggest thing going on at the time, the Aqua case. When pressured about this he agreed too quickly (if he liked my case so much why is there nothing in his filter about Aqua before I ask him to comment), threw his vote down (on what I now perceive to be the mislynch scum has been hoping for) and hasn't put any more effort into the game.


This post was made before most of jampi's filter happened but that is only because jampi afk'd from the thread for an extremely long period of time. When he came back he kept talking about his aqua scumread (a scumread that I already said I don't think came about naturally) and he has been tunneled onto aqua ever since I asked him if he liked my aqua case. He doesn't drive conversation forwards when he posts, at least not in any way that is very useful or relevant to finding scum.

Right now I think i want to lynch jampi but first I need to reassess my reads on rean/jarjar.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:08 GMT
#827
On November 22 2013 04:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are a town leader as you have acted like and think i am the best lynch then fucking convince people of it. If you think Rean is the best lynch convince people of it. You will be held accountable for your actions anyways. thrawn acts like a town leader but when shit gets real he takes the easy way out, and that is bullshit, ecpecially considering the dude claims he can read me. Either he has no clue what he is talking about or he is scum.

I want to lynch Jampidampi because i think he is scum and Rean is not. In case you, Mocsta, think i am scum i suggest you join the wagon because if you lynch me you'll see a town flip and then you are in deep shit because you failed to listen to the town leader you are supposed to be good at reading and you did not lynch "his 100% scumbuddy" you were okay with lynching with before. Same can be said about thrawn.


The thread is stuck in a loop. Anytime someone talks to rayn or talks about lynching him, he insults them or calls them scum. His favorite tactic so far has been saying what reads people should be making and ends it by "and if they don't agree they're scum"

He is getting lynched. There is little reasoning for any of his thoughts or reads, and most of the reasoning is accompanied by insults that distract you and make you think his posts sound more intelligent than they are. He is trying to make his filter worthless to town after he flips red.

With a completely clear head.

This is a great post actually.

Thrawn is back in the good books.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#828
Rayn your turn. I want to know how you went from declaring D1 to be you vs mocsta to what looks like a current town read on him. And talk about rean, jampi... maybe JarJar some more because I do think he's scummy but I'm not quite convinced.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:11 GMT
#829
Onegu post

His interpretation of Bereft makes me think Bereft is scum

"alls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so.

Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh

Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after.

Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter.

His reads are ok.

thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him
"
Thats pretty much exactly how scum want to play. Onegu is filling gaps and making an interpretation because Bereft is being unclear/ writing shitty cases.

The worst thing is that he thought onegu case on me, was a case on corazon. If he genuinely read onegu filter to give out a town read, then this should *not* have occured as a case is one of the best ways to divine someones alignment.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 00:12 GMT
#830
On November 22 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 04:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 22 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are a town leader as you have acted like and think i am the best lynch then fucking convince people of it. If you think Rean is the best lynch convince people of it. You will be held accountable for your actions anyways. thrawn acts like a town leader but when shit gets real he takes the easy way out, and that is bullshit, ecpecially considering the dude claims he can read me. Either he has no clue what he is talking about or he is scum.

I want to lynch Jampidampi because i think he is scum and Rean is not. In case you, Mocsta, think i am scum i suggest you join the wagon because if you lynch me you'll see a town flip and then you are in deep shit because you failed to listen to the town leader you are supposed to be good at reading and you did not lynch "his 100% scumbuddy" you were okay with lynching with before. Same can be said about thrawn.


The thread is stuck in a loop. Anytime someone talks to rayn or talks about lynching him, he insults them or calls them scum. His favorite tactic so far has been saying what reads people should be making and ends it by "and if they don't agree they're scum"

He is getting lynched. There is little reasoning for any of his thoughts or reads, and most of the reasoning is accompanied by insults that distract you and make you think his posts sound more intelligent than they are. He is trying to make his filter worthless to town after he flips red.

With a completely clear head.

This is a great post actually.

Thrawn is back in the good books.


Why Mocsta why....... I just now decided to explore the possibilty that rayn is town and you go ahead and reconfirm my earlier doubts about him!

poop
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:16 GMT
#831
On November 22 2013 09:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 09:08 Mocsta wrote:
On November 22 2013 04:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 22 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are a town leader as you have acted like and think i am the best lynch then fucking convince people of it. If you think Rean is the best lynch convince people of it. You will be held accountable for your actions anyways. thrawn acts like a town leader but when shit gets real he takes the easy way out, and that is bullshit, ecpecially considering the dude claims he can read me. Either he has no clue what he is talking about or he is scum.

I want to lynch Jampidampi because i think he is scum and Rean is not. In case you, Mocsta, think i am scum i suggest you join the wagon because if you lynch me you'll see a town flip and then you are in deep shit because you failed to listen to the town leader you are supposed to be good at reading and you did not lynch "his 100% scumbuddy" you were okay with lynching with before. Same can be said about thrawn.


The thread is stuck in a loop. Anytime someone talks to rayn or talks about lynching him, he insults them or calls them scum. His favorite tactic so far has been saying what reads people should be making and ends it by "and if they don't agree they're scum"

He is getting lynched. There is little reasoning for any of his thoughts or reads, and most of the reasoning is accompanied by insults that distract you and make you think his posts sound more intelligent than they are. He is trying to make his filter worthless to town after he flips red.

With a completely clear head.

This is a great post actually.

Thrawn is back in the good books.


Why Mocsta why....... I just now decided to explore the possibilty that rayn is town and you go ahead and reconfirm my earlier doubts about him!

poop

No, i didnt say I have a set feeling on whether rayn is town/scum.

Last night I was trying to figure out if a town rayn would blow his lid like he did.

I posed a musing about motive, which I had hope rayn would reply to (not sure yet).

I agered with the point that a rayn lynch will improve town atmosphere, as he is blowing people off very unreasonably.



If what onegu says is true about bereft I would seriously jump to that lynch THIS CYCLE.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 22 2013 00:18 GMT
#832
mocsta, are you serious?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 00:18 GMT
#833
@Thrawn, two questions:

Re. Jampidampi: The point he raised against me about allegedly "throwing mud at him" or however he worded it strikes me as the kind of paranoid thing I'd expect more from a townie than from scum. Do you agree/disagree?

Also, Jampidampi is lynchbait as a rule and I would have to be very, very sure about him before I'd be happy with lynching him.

Re. Rayn: I agree with you that Rayn often tries to force his will upon the thread. However, in this case, if he was town I think he'd have had one wagon to run against Rean's wagon (and later his own) and stuck to that one wagon. What he's actually done feels more to me like he's searching for a wagon which someone will bite on, which would be scum-motivated (he doesn't care who the lynch is so long as it isn't him). So far he's gone through Mocsta, Bereft, Jampidampi, you, JJD and not stuck for very long on any of them. Do you agree/disagree?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 22 2013 00:19 GMT
#834
On November 22 2013 09:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
Rayn your turn. I want to know how you went from declaring D1 to be you vs mocsta to what looks like a current town read on him. And talk about rean, jampi... maybe JarJar some more because I do think he's scummy but I'm not quite convinced.

Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie.

He had Rean and me as possibilities to go for, with "legit" reasoning. He did not take it. He did not call me retard for calling him out, he did say "i think this is the case, and i think this is the best lynch we have". He stands by his scumread. That's a man!

Please could you read my case on JarJar, and my bullet points against him. Those are really good.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 00:20 GMT
#835
On November 22 2013 09:18 Aquanim wrote: What he's actually done feels more to me like he's searching for a wagon which someone will bite on, which would be scum-motivated (he doesn't care who the lynch is so long as it isn't him). So far he's gone through Mocsta, Bereft, Jampidampi, you, JJD and not stuck for very long on any of them. Do you agree/disagree?


ok I am reconvinced

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet


rayn I still want to continue talking about what we're talking about
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:20 GMT
#836
On November 22 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think you're scum because of your hard-defending of Rean. I can't see a town motive for you to go apeshit about how we're mislynching him. You just can't be that sure about someone that you thought was scum @ one point. I think he's your scumbuddy and you're doing everything you can to keep him out of the noose.
I disagree.

If rayn was town *AND* was certain Rean was town, he would act like this.

My problem is, I cant follow how Rayn suddenly went from querying every punctuation of Rean to giving him town love.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:21 GMT
#837
On November 22 2013 09:18 Bereft wrote:
mocsta, are you serious?

Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation.

Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious,
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 22 2013 00:22 GMT
#838
Aquanim, that's a really bad misrepresentation of my scumplay (i think you mean to say scum instead of town).
No, just no.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 00:23 GMT
#839
On November 22 2013 09:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
I want to know how you went from declaring D1 to be you vs mocsta to what looks like a current town read on him.


answer this

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 22 2013 00:24 GMT
#840
On November 22 2013 07:13 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 05:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight.

Lol no. I want to lynch Rayn because I don't believe he plays this way as town. Rayn tunnels, it's what he does. Do you seriously believe this sequence of events from a town Rayn:

- Rayn wants to lynch Bereft/Onegu
- A bunch of votes materialises in Rayn
- Rayn's now willing to lynch Jampidampi

My impresssion from my quick read of what's happened since I went to sleep is that this trend is continuing: Rayn doesn't give a damn who we lynch today as long as it's not Rean.

I think this is a fair synopses.
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