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On November 22 2013 09:20 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think you're scum because of your hard-defending of Rean. I can't see a town motive for you to go apeshit about how we're mislynching him. You just can't be that sure about someone that you thought was scum @ one point. I think he's your scumbuddy and you're doing everything you can to keep him out of the noose. I disagree. If rayn was town *AND* was certain Rean was town, he would act like this. My problem is, I cant follow how Rayn suddenly went from querying every punctuation of Rean to giving him town love.
Rean was genuine and not afraid to say what he thought. He was also willing to admit he made a mistake instead of making up shit as i have said. I read that as townie, as i read his frustration on things he feels like he has explained when people don't get it (i know how fucking irritating it is).
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On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote:Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious,
ok, fair enough. i'm around and happy to expand or explain my thought process,
we're less than 3 hours away from a lynch, you do realize?
in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say:
On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this:Show nested quote +Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go.
1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken...
2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post.
3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling.
4 this is fine
5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read?
6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control.
7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip.
8 again not a scumslip
9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful.
10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie?
12 meh ok
12b also fine
13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this?
14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing...
15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean.
16 again why post a completely null post?
17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town
18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since.
19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on
20 admit to being tunneled
21 this is fine
22 tunneled
23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine.
24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived.
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On November 22 2013 08:12 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? do you need it spelled out for you? why do you care so much about potentially mislynching Rean, but you don't have ANY qualms about lynching anyone else in the game? you DO realize it's not 2 town vs. 10 mafia, right? who's your strongest town read after Rean? Onegu? and how about after that? also, it's pretty obvious so I don't know why it begs repeating, but it's the job of every responsible townie to not throw away their vote and get a majority lynch on a scum read right now. scib, I'm looking at you.
This is a really good post at a good time interval.
The second part is prototypical town agenda, i suppose null.
But the top part is good. Whilst others have conveyed rayn is voting every dog, cat and horse.
This was a really effective way to communicate the message.
its not 2 town vs 10 mafia indeed.
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On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please could you read my case on JarJar, and my bullet points against him. Those are really good.
Yeah, the bullet points look really good until you realise they're mostly unsubstantiated by the actual quotes.
On November 22 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Aquanim, that's a really bad misrepresentation of my scumplay (i think you mean to say scum instead of town).  No, just no.
Uh... no? I assume you're talking about this:
However, in this case, if he was town I think he'd have had one wagon to run against Rean's wagon (and later his own) and stuck to that one wagon.
in which case I definitely meant town. Ridiculous tunnels into oblivion are your town meta, switching from one case to the next when nobody shows interest in the first is not.
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On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie.
WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread.
On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.
I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.
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On November 22 2013 09:27 Bereft wrote:
in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say: I don't think anyone did, its was a total cluster hahah
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On November 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:12 Bereft wrote:On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? do you need it spelled out for you? why do you care so much about potentially mislynching Rean, but you don't have ANY qualms about lynching anyone else in the game? you DO realize it's not 2 town vs. 10 mafia, right? who's your strongest town read after Rean? Onegu? and how about after that? also, it's pretty obvious so I don't know why it begs repeating, but it's the job of every responsible townie to not throw away their vote and get a majority lynch on a scum read right now. scib, I'm looking at you. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT MY TOWNREADS? WHAT'S THIS POST ABOUT? I just made a post on my top lynch target, and you ask me about fucking townreads. Well here you go. Onegu is town Rean is town Lonemeow/Holyflare is town Jampidampi is town Corazon is town sciberbia is most likely town Aquanim is most likely town there. This reaction to the Bereft post i said above is quite odd and is typical of how rayn has played since decidinghe didnt want rean lynched.
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On November 22 2013 09:23 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
I want to know how you went from declaring D1 to be you vs mocsta to what looks like a current town read on him. answer this
I think i have answered this already. But here.
I wanted to proveoke out a genuine reaction from Mocsta, because i feel like he has not been genuine. As i said, he has been "there there children, do not fight" kinda attitude that strikes me very odd. I dunno if it's scum or town mindset he is working with, and i can't read him when he acts like this. So i decided to kinda "YOLO, let's see what you do here".
I still don't know what to think of him, but i am leaning on town because he COULD have went to basic Mocsta and just lynched me. If i am wrong about his scumslip, he is cool. That's my read.
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On November 22 2013 08:22 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 08:07 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? Do you agree that you don't give a fuck about who we lynch as long as it's not Rean, or are you merely saying it for the sake of the argument? I just made a case on JJD. wtf are you talking about? Do you even read the thread. Of course i fucking care about who we lynch. I just don't want to lynch town. Sure you made some shitty fabricated case, whatever. I could make cases all day on just about anyone if I tried, and if I wanted to. What I don't buy is that your suspicions of JJD appeared so quickly and erased your suspicions of Jampidampi/Onegu/me/whoever the hell else you've wanted to lynch apart from Mocsta and Bereft. The mere fact that you're shifting between lynches so quickly means you aren't serious about trying to get your scumread lynched. And like I said, town Rayn tunnels, he doesn't jump from lynch to lynch to lynch like this. As for those scumslips. The Mocsta one isn't a scumslip at all, asking "Have you been mislynched before?" doesn't mean in any way that he thinks you're a mislynch today. The Bereft one is better, but there's no way I'm lynching someone based on something which is almost certainly a typo whatever his alignment. This is a good post too. Even if rayn was town, there is no reason for aqua to articulate himself like this as rayn is ripe for the picking.
The jjd case was possibly the biggest pile of crap I have read in this game.
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On November 22 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie. WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.
I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.
+1 I like JarJar again
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On November 22 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:12 Bereft wrote:On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? do you need it spelled out for you? why do you care so much about potentially mislynching Rean, but you don't have ANY qualms about lynching anyone else in the game? you DO realize it's not 2 town vs. 10 mafia, right? who's your strongest town read after Rean? Onegu? and how about after that? also, it's pretty obvious so I don't know why it begs repeating, but it's the job of every responsible townie to not throw away their vote and get a majority lynch on a scum read right now. scib, I'm looking at you. This is a really good post at a good time interval. The second part is prototypical town agenda, i suppose null. But the top part is good. Whilst others have conveyed rayn is voting every dog, cat and horse. This was a really effective way to communicate the message. its not 2 town vs 10 mafia indeed.
wow wow... hold your horses.
At that time i am NOT wanting to "lynch anyone". I have a big fucking case on JJD.
Mocsta..?
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On November 22 2013 09:30 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please could you read my case on JarJar, and my bullet points against him. Those are really good. Yeah, the bullet points look really good until you realise they're mostly unsubstantiated by the actual quotes.
Except that i made a big case <3
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On November 22 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:21 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And that means thrawn is scum. I was contemplating this last night too. For me its the dwindling activity - will have to push him for more. All he does is shit on me. And in the same sentence he tell people to not talk about me If you are town i can guarantee thrawn is scum. But, plz, we need to lynch JJD. Mocsta, you know me, i do dumb (looking) stuff as town. But i have reasons for it. I have given my reasons. All these people i have never played before do not understand it. Look at Jampidampi, look at Onegu. They know my shit. They are not votingfor me. Why? They know what i do is not scumlike. Fuck jampidampi's behavior when i went "batshit crazy" on him was so 100% town. He knows NWM. He knows me and thinks critically. Apparenty you at least attempted to do so. haha. For a second think about it. If you can't understand it then okay, i fucked up. Then you vote for me. That's not the end of the world and i still have my reads to offer. But JJD - i tell you - he is scum. He is so very scum i suggest you read my case on him. This is teh second time Rayn has done an appeal to me. I dont like it.
He claims this is typical behaviour.. yet, my expectation of a town rayn is that he would go out of his way to prove this behavior is typical
i.e. reinforce his position with quote after quote after quote.
RAYN IS THE BEST LYNCH FOR TODAY
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On November 22 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie. WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.
I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.
Yeah you have no idea how i play. But your vote is on me and you are scum so idgaf.
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On November 22 2013 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
Jesus christ, I'm about half way now and half of you are making full blown cases on people based on page 1 posts, this is shambolic and ridiculous.
This is a bad post, especially tied in with LoneMeows posts.
There is no intent here other than to discredit this town.
Does HF say we are scummy for this? No, its just an observation that is shit-slinging.
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On November 22 2013 09:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
Jesus christ, I'm about half way now and half of you are making full blown cases on people based on page 1 posts, this is shambolic and ridiculous. This is a bad post, especially tied in with LoneMeows posts. There is no intent here other than to discredit this town. Does HF say we are scummy for this? No, its just an observation that is shit-slinging.
the people that did this are scummy for it? happy? I'm writing up a post so chill your shit
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On November 22 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is scum.
That is the conclusion that I'm seeing so far
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In fact, most likely Mocsta, JarJar, Bereft.
2x scumslip.
1x doesn't read (and mocsta too - i explained my jampidampi read)
this is 100%.
when i flip, kill those people. read my cases please.
cya, i'm gonna play LXIII.
if there are townies with brain do not vote for me.
<3
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JampiDampi, Sciberbia, Onegu
I refuse you believe you guys are not present for this lynch?
We need to make this rayn lynch happen.
A no-lynch puts us in a terrible situation as we will just repeat this again D2 (minus a townie due to NK)
Holyflare
You are confirmed present and may be our only chance to reach a majority vote.
I know you haven't read the game, but we are one vote off majority.
I *IMPLORE* you to vote Rayn.
P.S. there is 15min till deadline. This *is* urgent.
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