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On November 22 2013 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
Rayn I still have no idea what your reads are (the reason for this is that you do not give good enough explanations and sometimes don't give any explanations when your reads change) and why they change so quickly... I liked bereft's interpretation, that you are just changing reads so that whoever is calling you scum looks bad, and trying to place nice whenever someone changes their read on you in the scummy to townie direction.
This is the exact same issue I had with your play when you first entered the game... it looked like you quickly changing your read on me in order to tell me what I want to hear.
I explained my reads. JJD is scum, so are Mocsta and Bereft.
I don't care. I really don't. Read my posts / scum QT from ## game. I was not lying.
I just don't care to explain myself better, i play for end game credits. idgaf if i get lynched.
Mocsta should see i am town. He doesn't, i was unsure of him. After flip i am not.
Others (JJD/Bereft) are 100% scum.
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On November 22 2013 09:52 sciberbia wrote:Also I think Cora is pretty scummy. Reading his filter the feeling I get is that he KNOWS rayn is not scum,but acts as though his "hand was forced" into voting him even though there's plenty of time into the lynch and there are better candidates. He just says things like "rayn's behavior is not acceptable". And the actual scummy points he does raise against rayn are total BS. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
This is trying to apply a scumtell to a situation where it doesn't apply at all. If you have 8 votes on you then maybe martyrying is a scumtell, but rayn hardly had any pressure on him when he started trampling through the thread and voting himself. Read rayn's filter from the last 12 hours and tell me he has been trying to "gain town cred". He has been doing the complete opposite by pissing everybody off. Cora is reallly reaching hard here to justify his vote. I'd be happy with a Cora lynch if anybody prefers him to Onegu.
I dont feel confident on Corazon and i treat this post as null (it did stick out for me)
Corazon story in the thread is that he disagreed with a rayn lynch.
It kinda makes sense for him to do the above to mentality justify the decision to himself (if town)
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failed f5, anyway I will not be lynching rayn today
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On November 22 2013 09:52 sciberbia wrote:Also I think Cora is pretty scummy. Reading his filter the feeling I get is that he KNOWS rayn is not scum,but acts as though his "hand was forced" into voting him even though there's plenty of time into the lynch and there are better candidates. He just says things like "rayn's behavior is not acceptable". And the actual scummy points he does raise against rayn are total BS. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
This is trying to apply a scumtell to a situation where it doesn't apply at all. If you have 8 votes on you then maybe martyrying is a scumtell, but rayn hardly had any pressure on him when he started trampling through the thread and voting himself. Read rayn's filter from the last 12 hours and tell me he has been trying to "gain town cred". He has been doing the complete opposite by pissing everybody off. Cora is reallly reaching hard here to justify his vote. I'd be happy with a Cora lynch if anybody prefers him to Onegu.
I was going to bring up Corazon post-flip but yes his approach to the Rayn wagon is pretty sketchy. I didn't like the way he dropped his vote on Rayn just to "resolve the discussion between Rayn and Mocsta" rather than saying that Rayn was actually scum.
In reference to your defence of Rayn:
Anyone that has played with rayn before should know he does batshit crazy stuff, tunnels people, and has ridiculous convinction in his reads.
I agree with you that Rayn does batshit crazy stuff as town, and that what he's doing here is batshit crazy. HOWEVER, what he's doing here is explicitly NOT tunnelling people. His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does. Just because Rayn says he's confident doesn't mean he is.
tl;dr @Sciberbia: I agree with your characterisation of Rayn's town meta but I don't think it applies to his play in this game. Do you disagree with the points I've raised above?
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Also do not EVER let people push lynches on people who defended me.
Like Cora, Onegu, scib.
That's bullshit. They are right, they know what they are talking about.
NEVER LET MOCSTA LYNCH THOSE PPL BASED ON "YOU KNEW RAYN WAS TOWN" WHICH HE IS GONNA TRY!
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On November 22 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
failed f5, anyway I will not be lynching rayn today
still waiting on a productive post from you
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@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.
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Holyflare is also 100% town.
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Sure, Rayn's screaming at us, like he would if he was town. But the content of his screaming is completely not what a town Rayn would be screaming about.
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On November 22 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is also 100% town.
hahaha. classic. anyone who thinks you are town is town.
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On November 22 2013 10:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
failed f5, anyway I will not be lynching rayn today still waiting on a productive post from you
nono. he is town.
while his meta he has suggested on 2 last games is not valid, he has a clue what i do and not do as scum.
i tell you holyflare is totally town.
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On November 22 2013 10:00 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
failed f5, anyway I will not be lynching rayn today still waiting on a productive post from you
Yeah, I would seriously consider voting this slot right here right now.
Hes buying time; most replacements in his situation vote the common bandwagon and then read the thread.
Hes trying to be all "pro scum-hunter" i can read the 50 page thread and shove it to you guys.
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On November 22 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do not EVER let people push lynches on people who defended me.
Like Cora, Onegu, scib.
That's bullshit. They are right, they know what they are talking about.
NEVER LET MOCSTA LYNCH THOSE PPL BASED ON "YOU KNEW RAYN WAS TOWN" WHICH HE IS GONNA TRY!
You know Cora's vote is on you right now, right?
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And now he's just shitting up the thread with things irrelevant to the lynch to try to stop us reaching an actual majority. Which we still don't have on him, AFAIK.
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On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.
But do you think he's playing scummily? It is very easy to lynch someone saying that you can't see their posts as coming from town. And I disagree because I actually can see town rayn doing this even if I'm not convinced it's the case.What do you think about this?
On November 22 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
For now, ##unvote because i'm scared that rayn is town because his comment about his play in desert somewhat convinced me that what he's doing could be town rayn play.. for all who don't know, near the end of the D1 lynch rayn fakeclaimed something to try and save a guy from getting lynched, a guy rayn had a town read on.... and that wasn't the only time that game he fakeclaimed to try and force his will upon the thread.
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sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.
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On November 22 2013 10:04 Aquanim wrote:
And now he's just shitting up the thread with things irrelevant to the lynch to try to stop us reaching an actual majority. Which we still don't have on him, AFAIK.
EBWOP: Unfortunately, I think that randomly shitting up the thread is something Rayn could, would and does do as town too. But it certainly isn't making me any less willing to kill him.
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Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages.
If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better.
Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me.
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On November 22 2013 10:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do not EVER let people push lynches on people who defended me.
Like Cora, Onegu, scib.
That's bullshit. They are right, they know what they are talking about.
NEVER LET MOCSTA LYNCH THOSE PPL BASED ON "YOU KNEW RAYN WAS TOWN" WHICH HE IS GONNA TRY! You know Cora's vote is on you right now, right?
see my post on his criteria on how he determines town. cora falls into the (b) category of people who are voting with him but are unhappy with his lynch, ie. people he thinks he has a chance of swaying away from voting him.
notice how mocsta has fallen back into the guaranteed scum category after he was unmoving towards rayn's appeal to pathos.
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I am adding Aquanim to scumlist. That makes it a total 4.
Mocsta, Bereft, JJD, Aqua. 3 of those are scum.
rayn guarantee.
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