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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#901
Or were you refering to rayn?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#902
On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.

Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 01:10 GMT
#903
On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.

Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself.

I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember?
So i am obviously lying.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 01:10 GMT
#904
On November 22 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages.

If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better.

Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me.

I'm talking about rayn, not about you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 01:11 GMT
#905
It implies moreso to mocsta because he should know something like that.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#906
I am giving him a job he should do when i flip town.
If he does not do that (or if anyone else is not gonna do that) he is lazy or scum.
Because you are full of shit with your meta. ^^
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#907
hey i want to know what happens if I do this

##unvote
##vote: corazon

his reason for his vote is worse than anyone else's
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 01:13 GMT
#908
So why are there people defending me but not pushing another lynch?
Is this town shit all around?
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 01:14 GMT
#909
On November 22 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:
On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.

Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself.

I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember?
So i am obviously lying.

Now see, if you were town you'd actually go to some effort to try to convince people I was scum, for the future if nothing else. Even if you did get lynched today you'd be contributing to pushing what you think is a scum lynch on another day.

But no, you just offer a "Rayn guarantee". Which given your history is worth absolutely nothing.

This one's a wagon of justice, folks.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 22 2013 01:15 GMT
#910
On November 22 2013 10:00 Aquanim wrote:
His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does.

On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.


@Aquanim, Bereft
You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town.

Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason.

+ Show Spoiler [rayn] +

On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E

Vote: Sciberbia

On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill WoS? better?

On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh fuck, just kill sciberbia.
and then WoS. GG.

On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: sciberbia
##Vote: WaveOfShadow

On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection

On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS?

On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.

Read this shit.. :E

On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: Wave Of Shadow


guaranteed scum D1.

On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow
##Vote: AxleGreaser


Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl.

On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sry. iwas kinda fucked up.

##Unvote: AxleGreaser
##Vote: Wave of Shadow

On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: sciberbia

On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him?

On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci?

On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i want to kill Ace...



Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 01:15 GMT
#911
On November 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why are there people defending me but not pushing another lynch?
Is this town shit all around?


Go read Corazon's vote post let me know what you think. Read his posts before that paying attention to what direction his reads seem to be going and tell me what you think about voting decision based on the rayn/moc situation
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 01:16 GMT
#912
On November 22 2013 10:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am giving him a job he should do when i flip town.
If he does not do that (or if anyone else is not gonna do that) he is lazy or scum.
Because you are full of shit with your meta. ^^

Given how full of shit you've demonstrated yourself to be already, nobody is going to pay a damn bit of attention to what you've said even if you flip town, unless you actually substantiate it first. You told sciberbia to go look at "an obs QT" and didn't even tell him where to look. I've posted in a lot of obs QTs.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 22 2013 01:17 GMT
#913
On November 22 2013 10:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey i want to know what happens if I do this

##unvote
##Vote: corazon

his reason for his vote is worse than anyone else's


Let's do it. Apparently nobody likes my Onegu wagon for some reason.

##unvote
##vote: corazon

@rayn
Please join this wagon.

That makes 3 votes. Need 4 more.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 22 2013 01:18 GMT
#914
On November 22 2013 10:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.


But do you think he's playing scummily? It is very easy to lynch someone saying that you can't see their posts as coming from town. And I disagree because I actually can see town rayn doing this even if I'm not convinced it's the case.What do you think about this?

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:

For now, ##unvote because i'm scared that rayn is town because his comment about his play in desert somewhat convinced me that what he's doing could be town rayn play.. for all who don't know, near the end of the D1 lynch rayn fakeclaimed something to try and save a guy from getting lynched, a guy rayn had a town read on.... and that wasn't the only time that game he fakeclaimed to try and force his will upon the thread.



yes, i think he's playing scummy. his cases are built on air and yet he's 100% certain myself and quite a few others are scum -- UNLESS of course it suits him to be nice to them. how can he be 100% certain mocsta, jjd, and I are scum? i wouldn't even place my confidence interval on whether i think HE is scum that high, and i feel strongly about this lynch.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 01:19 GMT
#915
acutally no fuck that ##unvote
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 01:19 GMT
#916
On November 22 2013 10:14 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:
On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.

Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself.

I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember?
So i am obviously lying.

Now see, if you were town you'd actually go to some effort to try to convince people I was scum, for the future if nothing else. Even if you did get lynched today you'd be contributing to pushing what you think is a scum lynch on another day.

But no, you just offer a "Rayn guarantee". Which given your history is worth absolutely nothing.

This one's a wagon of justice, folks.

Except that i am pretty good in finding scum.
table for two on a tv tray
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 22 2013 01:21 GMT
#917
@rayn
I'm thinking town on Aquanim based on reasons stated earlier and I have more important things to do right now then dig through obs QT's of one of my townier reads. I will look at him when I have time tonight but right now his lynch is not on the table. If you don't want to get lynched I suggest you join the Cora wagon.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 22 2013 01:21 GMT
#918
RAYN

Write a wall of text post and give your read on every single player. I'm looking for in depth explanations that show your thought process at work. If not every player at least give all your scumreads and any town reads you might feel comfortable posting.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 22 2013 01:21 GMT
#919
On November 22 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:00 Aquanim wrote:
His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does.

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.


@Aquanim, Bereft
You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town.

Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason.

+ Show Spoiler [rayn] +

On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E

Vote: Sciberbia

On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill WoS? better?

On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh fuck, just kill sciberbia.
and then WoS. GG.

On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: sciberbia
##Vote: WaveOfShadow

On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection

On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS?

On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.

Read this shit.. :E

On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: Wave Of Shadow


guaranteed scum D1.

On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow
##Vote: AxleGreaser


Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl.

On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sry. iwas kinda fucked up.

##Unvote: AxleGreaser
##Vote: Wave of Shadow

On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: sciberbia

On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him?

On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci?

On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i want to kill Ace...



Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet

...ok, fair enough. I still think that under the conditions he's in here switching between wagons as soon as nobody shows interest in the previous one is objectively scummy.

I think Corazon has a decent chance of flipping scum, but I also think that if Corazon's town he will be better able to prove it to us than Rayn and Corazon will generally be more useful. On the other hand If Rayn's town and gets lynched, well... nothing of much value was lost.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 22 2013 01:21 GMT
#920
thrawn and scib, i will not vote for cora, he is town.
I will only vote for Mocsta, Bereft, JJD, Aqua.
The scum lies there.
I might even draw a picture close to deadline ^^
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