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On November 22 2013 10:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it. Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself. I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember? So i am obviously lying.  Now see, if you were town you'd actually go to some effort to try to convince people I was scum, for the future if nothing else. Even if you did get lynched today you'd be contributing to pushing what you think is a scum lynch on another day. But no, you just offer a "Rayn guarantee". Which given your history is worth absolutely nothing.This one's a wagon of justice, folks. Except that i am pretty good in finding scum.
ROFL
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On November 22 2013 10:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
RAYN
Write a wall of text post and give your read on every single player. I'm looking for in depth explanations that show your thought process at work. If not every player at least give all your scumreads and any town reads you might feel comfortable posting.
tbh i have already done that. 
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On November 22 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:00 Aquanim wrote:
His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this. @Aquanim, Bereft You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town. Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason. + Show Spoiler [rayn] +On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E
Vote: Sciberbia On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill WoS? better? On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh fuck, just kill sciberbia.
and then WoS. GG. On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: sciberbia
##Vote: WaveOfShadow On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS? On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. Read this shit.. :E On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: Wave Of Shadow
guaranteed scum D1. On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow
##Vote: AxleGreaser
Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl. On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sry. iwas kinda fucked up.
##Unvote: AxleGreaser
##Vote: Wave of Shadow On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: sciberbia On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him? On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i want to kill Ace... Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet
i skimmed it, but i'm not seeing it. perhaps i'm tunneled, but the tone of voice, the way he approaches the thread and pushes his reads are totally different.
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thrawn, i have basically talked about every single player in this gmae and why my read on them is what it is. It's all in my filter.
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On November 22 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
RAYN
Write a wall of text post and give your read on every single player. I'm looking for in depth explanations that show your thought process at work. If not every player at least give all your scumreads and any town reads you might feel comfortable posting. tbh i have already done that.
It's hard to make sense of anything you say because it seems to change on a whim based on thread sentiment. I want a post consolidating all your current thoughts about this game because it will be way easier to read you compared to having to sort through your filter. The problem is that today you have been changing your reads so quickly that you haven't even had to justify them because as a result of how fast they change and as a result, your thought process is impossible to follow.
If you are town and want to save a townie from being lynched you will do this.
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but your reads keep changing! how are we supposed to know which are the most current ones?!
looks like aqua has gone from scum to town back to scum when he shows no indication of being swayed. lol.
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Aquanim is annoying. He wants me to talk about past games and how i did succeed in them as town.
Not a townie midset, purposely trying to make me mad. If Koshi was in this game that dude would get lynched right away!
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##vote raynpelikoneet
Do it rayn.
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OK listen. For people not satisfied with a rayn lynch, we need to establish a decent counter wagon NOW or we will never have time to get 7 votes and people will just say "not enough time sorry let's just lynch rayn". My preferences are Onegu > Cora > Rean.
@thrawn, Mocsta, rayn, Holyflare, Onegu(?), Cora(?), anyone not wanting a rayn lynch
We need a god-damn counter wagon. Compromises have to be made -- not everybody can lynch their top choice. I started a wagon on Onegu which nobody would join. Thrawn and I started a wagon on Cora and thrawn jumped off. You guys need to put some votes down and consolidate.
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On November 22 2013 10:15 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why are there people defending me but not pushing another lynch?
Is this town shit all around? Go read Corazon's vote post let me know what you think. Read his posts before that paying attention to what direction his reads seem to be going and tell me what you think about voting decision based on the rayn/moc situation
From what I've read so far I think thrawn is one of the towniest players in the thread, if he can show me some reasoning for his lynch choice I will most probably lynch his vote.
Unless it's rayn.
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I can get behind a Cora, Mocsta, Aqua lynch at this point in time.
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On November 22 2013 10:27 sciberbia wrote:
OK listen. For people not satisfied with a rayn lynch, we need to establish a decent counter wagon NOW or we will never have time to get 7 votes and people will just say "not enough time sorry let's just lynch rayn". My preferences are Onegu > Cora > Rean.
@thrawn, Mocsta, rayn, Holyflare, Onegu(?), Cora(?), anyone not wanting a rayn lynch
We need a god-damn counter wagon. Compromises have to be made -- not everybody can lynch their top choice. I started a wagon on Onegu which nobody would join. Thrawn and I started a wagon on Cora and thrawn jumped off. You guys need to put some votes down and consolidate.
Out of those I am open to ream but tbh I think others might come ahead of that, and I'm not well read on Onegu's filter as of late... I kinda started tuning out whenever he posts. Others meaning people like jampidampi. I'm focusing all of my efforts on reading rayn right now so it's hard to decide on an alternate wagon.
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lol we shoudl random lynch. this thread is never going to compromise
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On November 22 2013 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Aquanim is annoying. He wants me to talk about past games and how i did succeed in them as town.
Not a townie midset, purposely trying to make me mad. If Koshi was in this game that dude would get lynched right away!
What, because Koshi is your pet dog who plays "Fetch" and "Gnaw" at your command? Stop insinuating shit and come at me or lie down and die.
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On November 22 2013 10:26 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 10:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
RAYN
Write a wall of text post and give your read on every single player. I'm looking for in depth explanations that show your thought process at work. If not every player at least give all your scumreads and any town reads you might feel comfortable posting. tbh i have already done that. It's hard to make sense of anything you say because it seems to change on a whim based on thread sentiment. I want a post consolidating all your current thoughts about this game because it will be way easier to read you compared to having to sort through your filter. The problem is that today you have been changing your reads so quickly that you haven't even had to justify them because as a result of how fast they change and as a result, your thought process is impossible to follow. If you are town and want to save a townie from being lynched you will do this.
1.) Rean - town, read my filter.
2.) thrawn2112 - most likely town, willing to listen
3.) JarJarDrinks - scum, kill with fire. case.
4.) cDgCorazon - town, frustrated for me - Mocsta.seems genuine
5.) Bereft - scum. talks bullshit. scumslips. kill with fire
7.) Mocsta- scum - read what i said about him. i thought he would know better, nah, scum for what i said
8.) Aquanim - annoying (spoiler not for children)
+ Show Spoiler +.... i wrote a lot of bad words here. ugh.. annoying.
9.) Onegu - town, has good gut reads. cool dude!
10.) Holyflare - town for knowing what he's talking about.
11.) sciberbia
12.) jampidampi
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Cross-Reference of Onegu reads post on Bereft
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=38#756
Calls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so.
On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. Onegu does not explain why this is relevant as an observation. The assumption is that he is confirmation biasd on me, thus treats this a town tell (but thats a guess obviously)
Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh On November 21 2013 13:05 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Rean is my top lynch candidate atm, guys. one more thing to add: On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote:Forgot this: Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red".
I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean Bereft states "one more thing to ad" - hence clearly he is in agreement with the reasons others have already proposed. He is merely adding his own extra layer of topping to the cake. I don't get how Onegu interprets this as "other people have better reasons" to justify this as a dot point. I get that Onegu has a scum read on Rean (as per the reads post) however, this dot point doesnt explain whether the motive of Bereft is to cheaply "+1" or what?
Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after.
On November 21 2013 12:43 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +guys, sorry i'm still catching up on the thread (i know you hardxcore mafia players will laugh at this - "it's only 25 pages!" but here are my reasons for my scum lean on the following players: Cora+ Show Spoiler +i'm going to skip going over the whole early shaky scum read on scib since that's already been covered and addressed pretty thoroughly. things that stood out to me: On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] +
I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game.
Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter.
@cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. i think this post is really bad. i find it pretty odd that he finds it necessary to point out that scib is "piggy backing" on him and proceeds to waste an exchange with scib on whether they were in fact clarifying the same thing with thrawn. i find it hard to find a reason why townies would have this exchange or even care. who cares? he doesn't just mention this once. he argues the point SEVERAL times and is still bringing it up ages later (along with scib's bullshit page 1 "read") as the basis for his scum read: On November 21 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police! I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [cora] +On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing. My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. Show nested quote +as i mentioned here: On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? i find it extremely odd he doesn't find mocsta's behavior from page 1 even worth mentioning if he takes so much issue with page 1 reads. wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?
Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.
@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play. what i also find noteworthy is that: (A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read. (B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc (C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST: Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:... On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: ReanI'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
Short answer to Thrawn's case:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.
Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. . And then you go for Corazon with some not terribly convincing arguments such as On November 20 2013 18:04 Aquanim wrote:The fact that Corazon, despite apparently believing his case, is not committing to it by voting for sciberbia? THAT is scum-indicative. This seems awfully weak to me, a case on him at this point is already applying pressure by focussing discussion on him and trying to catch him on a lie. While a vote does put a little extra pressure on it I think saying it's scum-indicative not to vote is really overrating it's importance. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim i spent 10 mins trying to fix those quotes in the rean spoiler. i give up, sorry guys. going through aqua and onegu's filters now. I'm surprised the order of the dot points went like this because I would have expected a filter dive of Bereft to pull up this point when it was read - as the reasonings are quite weak. Again, Onegu doesn't dive into any motive behind this. Its just calling out poor play. Weak beans all up. Lastly, its also ironic onegu has an issue with poorly formatted cases/votes given his penchant for formating when he originally cased me.
Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter.
On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go.
1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken...
2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post.
3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling.
4 this is fine
5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read?
6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control.
7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip.
8 again not a scumslip
9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful.
10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie?
12 meh ok
12b also fine
13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this?
14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing...
15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean.
16 again why post a completely null post?
17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town
18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since.
19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on
20 admit to being tunneled
21 this is fine
22 tunneled
23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine.
24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. I assume this is the post in question.
The conclusion doesn't make sense considering Bereft stated "i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out". In fact, Bereft calls Onegu town here.
If memory serves me right, it was Corazon who thought Onegu was attacking him with the case on me.
Ironically, the point Onegu raises here is actually not applicable to Bereft, but completely applicable to Onegu.
His reads are ok.
On November 21 2013 13:47 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +also rayn, i assume your sentence was a typo -- you're saying i [i]should be filtering my null reads, correct?
i don't see a situation where a majority of the people here would prefer to lynch lonemeow or mocsta over rean, cora, or aqua. do you disagree? if i find 3 people scummy, should i not be analyzing the one i would most prefer to lynch?
also FWIW i have looked at aqua's filter and my gut read has been dampened somewhat. right now i'm still thinking about it, but if you want me to bang out some half baked thoughts to "meet expectations" i will be happy to accommodate. On November 21 2013 07:43 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey guys, I'm at work right now, but I'll be home in about 4 hours. have only skimmed the last few pages from my phone, but currently this is where I'm at:
town lean on: thrawn, scib, dude whose name starts with jamp or something, onegu, rayn
null on: mocsta, JJD, lone meow
leaning scum on: rean, cora, aqua
unclear to me why onegu is obv scum/2nd day lynch according to moc. I'll take a closer look at his filter tonight along with my null to scum reads and update who I'm comfortable lynching day 1. Between the two I assume this is reference to quote 1 via sequence of events.
Read are OK = Rean, Cora, Aqua
In onegu list post: Rean = scummy
Cora = scummish but I cannot shake the feeling he is town
Aqua = Implies town
So, how are these good reads? Or using Onegu wording, how are these "OK reads".
thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him
On November 21 2013 23:34 Bereft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rayn, you used "bullshit" five times in your last post on me. FIVE. your reentry into the thread sounds very angry. why? is it because you've climbed higher on other people's scum lynch? a bit rich coming from you, who called me "overly defensive" for being incredulous and annoyed at you saying "lynch bereft, fucking scummy - peace!" or is it because you are very unhappy with today's lynch, so instead you're preferring to throw away your vote on a [i]bullshit case? Calls this out
over some of the other interplay between Rayn/Bereft.
I dont get it; again, what motive is onegu associating this with?
Its completely unclear what Onegu read on Bereft is.
Everything is simply OK.. yet after digging up the posts, quite a few of Onegu pointers are clearly not applicable.
When i read this list of observations on Bereft originally, I thought Bereft could be scum due to blending in with status quo (which aligns with how Onegu constantly says everything is "OK")
Again, this is a clear misrepresentation of Bereft - with low effort to boot
Thus I agree with Sciberbia that Onegu does not appear to care about the direction of this lynch.
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+ Show Spoiler +This game was so much easier when people didn't show their emotions.
That's the only thing I liked about how mafiascum players play. In a game of logic, emotions are a crutch for townies to stop thinking and an tool to help scum look townier.
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11.) sciberbia - town - has good ideas and thoughts, meta too
12.) jampidampi - NWM - town 100%
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mocsta wtf are you going on about... say something helpful
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